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Great Trade Deadline Acquisitions

Today’s thread is going to take us on a stroll down memory lane. We’re going to visit the ghosts of the Cards’ trade deadline acquisitions to discuss the top 10 trade deadline acquisitions of the last 25 years.

The primary stipulation is that the acquisition had to be geared toward helping the Cards make the playoffs or win the pennant. I’m therefore disqualifying the 1997 Mark McGwire acquisition since that team was going nowhere fast when McGwire was added. He played great for the Cards down the stretch but it didn’t really matter – for 1997 anyway. When McGwire was added on July 31, the team was 51-56, in 3rd place, 7.5 games behind. He was acquired for the purpose of trying to sign him to a long-term deal and not w/ an eye toward trying to make the playoffs in ’07. Obviously, the acquisition had to come from outside the organization, so I’m not counting promotions from the minors – though there were some notable promotions (1985 – Todd Worrell, for example). They also need to have been added during the season, as opposed to a trade or free agent signing prior to the season.

So, w/o further ado…I give you the top 10 Cardinal trade deadline acquisitions of the last 25 years:

10. Mike Timlin, 2000 – Timlin came over from the Orioles for Mark Nussbeck and Chris Richard. (BTW, the Cards made another trade that year w/ the Orioles for someone else on this list.) Timlin wasn’t great down the stretch, but he was OK. He pitched 29.2 innings w/ a 3.34 ERA for the Cards. His FIP was 4.48 and he was worth 0.6 WAR in 2000. His WPA was -0.34. He was awful against the Braves in the division series that year and just OK against the Mets in the NLCS.

9. Ron Belliard, 2006 – Belliard, like Timlin, was just OK for the Cards but we desperately needed a 2B in ’06. Acquired from Cleveland for Hector Luna, Belliard was .237/.295/.371 down the stretch and just .240/.283/.260 in the postseason. Like Timlin, he was worth 0.6 WAR w/ the Cards – mostly b/c of his defense. His UZR for the Cards was 6.7 over the last 2 months. He also made a spectacular play in game 1 against the Padres in the division series that helped the Cards hold on and helped propel the team to the NLCS.

8. Jeff Weaver, 2006 – Weaver was acquired from the Angels for Terry Evans. Make no mistake about it, Weaver stunk during the regular season. He was 5-4 w/ a 5.18 ERA and a 5.71 FIP. He was worth -1.3 RAR and -0.1 WAR. He was worse than replacement level but somehow he managed to convince La Russa to allow him to start some postseason games and he was terrific. In the postseason, he was 3-2 w/ a 2.43 ERA and a 4.19 FIP. His WPA in the postseason alone was 0.59. During the regular season his WPA was -0.49.

7. Matt Holliday, 2009 – Holliday’s been terrific in his 19 games as a Cardinal since being acquired from Oakland. He’s hitting .493/.523/.813. His wOBA is a ridiculous .536. His WPA is 1.93 and he’s been worth 14.4 RAR and 1.4 WAR just in his first 19 games. If we revisit this list at the end of the season, I see no reason why Holliday won’t be in the top 2-3.

6. Larry Walker, 2004 – Walker was acquired from the Rockies for Jason Burch, Chris Narveson and Luis Martinez. To tell the truth, I expected Walker to be higher on this list, and maybe he would have if he had been acquired before August 11 of that year. Walker batted .280/.393/.560 w/ a .411 wOBA down the stretch for the 105 win team. Like Holliday, he was worth 14.4 RAR and 1.4 WAR. He was .293/.379/.707 in the postseason w/ a .450 wOBA. It’s not his fault we didn’t win the World Series. It’s too bad that injuries rendered him less effective in 2005.

5. Cesar Cedeno, 1985 – Cedeno was acquired from the Reds for a minor leaguer named Mark Jackson. The outfielder was 34 at the time and primarily played 1B for the Cards the last month or so of the regular season following Jack Clark’s injury. Over the last 28 games, Cedeno hit .434/.463/.750 for the Cards. His WPA was 1.16 and he was worth 14 RAR and 1.5 WAR in less than a month. Cedeno wasn’t nearly as effective in the postseason, batting .148/.258/.222, mostly as a RF.

4. Chuck Finley, 2002 – It’s easy to forget how good Finley was for the Cards after being acquired from the Indians for Luis Garcia and Coco Crisp. He was 7-4 w/ a 3.80 ERA and a 3.17 FIP in 85 innings over the season’s last 2 months. His contribution was worth 18.7 RAR and 2 WAR. In the postseason, he was marvelous against the D-backs and not very good at all against the Giants.

3. Woody Williams, 2001 – Williams was acquired just a couple of days past the non-waiver trade deadline for one of my all-time favorite Cards – Ray Lankford. Neither had played particularly well for their respective teams but Woody was fantastic for the Cards over the season’s last couple of months. He was 7-1 w/ a 2.28 ERA and a 3.76 FIP. His contribution was worth 2.36 WPA and 2.1 WAR. Before being traded to the Cards, Woody was worth 0.4 WAR for the Padres. Unfortunately, the Cards only played 1 postseason series in 2001 but Woody was splendid in his start against the D-backs, beating Randy Johnson by throwing 7 innings of 4 hit and 1 run ball.

2. Will Clark, 2000 – The "other" acquisition from the Orioles in 2000, the Cards received Clark for minor league 3B Jose Leon. Clark stood in for an injured Mark McGwire and posted a .345/.426/.655 line down the stretch. He hit 12 homers in 51 games after hitting 9 in 79 for the Orioles that year and just 10 in 77 games in the previous season. His wOBA was .456 and he was provided a WPA of 2.44. He was worth 24 RAR and 2.3 WAR in less than 2 months w/ the birds on the bat. In the 2000 postseason, he was almost as good, posting slash lines of .345/.441/.621.

And the number 1 trade deadline acquisition by the Cardinals in the last 25 years is…

1. Scott Rolen, 2002 – and it’s not even close. Rolen was acquired from the Phillies for Placido Polanco, Bud Smith, and the aforementioned Mike Timlin. It had been a tough summer w/ the deaths of Jack Buck and Darryl Kile and Rolen struggled early on, w/ just 6 hits and 3 walks in his first 43 PAs as a Cardinal. After that he went all Will Clark on the rest of the NL as he ended up w/ a .278/.354/.561 line as a Cardinal in ’02. What set Rolen apart from Clark, Cedeno, and Walker, however was his defense. Not only was he worth 12 wRAA on offense, but in just over 2 months w/ the team his defense was worth 13.1 runs above average. All told, he finished 33.4 RAR and 3.3 WAR – a full win better than Clark. Only Edmonds, Pujols, Renteria, and Morris had more WAR than Rolen did as a Cardinal in 2002 and Rolen was only w/ the team for 2 months.

I had planned to do a list of the 5 best acquisitions but, as I was looking this stuff up, came across so many contributions that needed to be recognized. I was surprised by how good Finley was, for example. Like I said earlier, it won’t surprise me at all to see Holliday move up this list as this year finishes. He’s less than a win away from 2nd place on the list already. Hopefully, Lugo (.5 WAR) and DeRosa (.2 WAR) can surpass Timlin, Belliard, and Weaver as the Cards head toward their 2nd World Championship in the last 4 years.

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Yea, “boo”, I know.

We’ve been lucky as Cardinal fans. Lucky that we’ve been in the playoff hunt so often in the past few decades and lucky that we’ve made some pretty sweet deals during that time.

There are 3 things the average man thinks he can do better than everybody else: build a fire, run a motel, and manage a baseball team.
-- Rocky Bridges

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 16, 2009 2:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Same as my first reaction

Almost each entry discusses how we did in the playoffs. We’ve been very lucky with the string of performances we have had. This year is shaping up nicely as well. What I like about this year is the killer duo at the top of the staff and Piniero as well. If Lohse starts to throw well, we’ll have a really solid playoff rotation and we won’t be talking about the number five starter.

Just win

by The Duke on Aug 16, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shelby Miller

I don’t understand drafting a guy like Miller, knowing his demands, and then thinking you are going to low ball him. Why even draft him? In hopes that he’ll lower his asking price? Mo said tonight that both sides have some optimism. Same article said Miller wanted top 10 money. Any idea what slot at 19, vs say 10th spot money is? Can it really be THAT much?

There are 3 things the average man thinks he can do better than everybody else: build a fire, run a motel, and manage a baseball team.
-- Rocky Bridges

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 16, 2009 2:30 AM EDT reply actions  

he's going to sign....

we knew all along the negotiations wouldn’t really pick up until around now.

by slu on Aug 16, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's hope so.

The situation that really bothers me is the Stratsburg negotiations. Is he really going to pass up 20 million and wait a year? Sooner or later one of these kids is going to blow their arm out in indy ball and realize how much money they left on the table. If I was the Royals I would offer Crow no more than slot and tell him to take it or leave it. The whole point of having a draft in baseball is so you can bring young guys in at below market costs and recoup the money it costs to teach these guys how to succeed in the majors (plus the money you waste on the kids who don’t make it). I don’t have a problem with the top picks getting a couple million because of their potential, but 30-40 million because he throws 100 miles an hour? Talent doesn’t nesessarily translate into success in baseball like it does in football and it would be a terrible precedent to set. Ever heard of Todd van Poppel?

by thp0344 on Aug 16, 2009 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly what happend to a University of Hawaii pitcher - Derek Tatsuno or some such. Passed on MLB offer, went to Japan where he ruined his arm.

Last I heard he was doing color on UH sporting events.

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Aug 16, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And they aren't paid as though they are sure things

And aside from that, they’re STILL getting “below market cost”. 20 million for Strasburg is almost assuredly underpaying his true worth. Mark Prior despite all the injuries was worth 16 WAR to the Cubs. Anyone know where you can get 17 WAR for 20 million? The talk is Strasburg is ready to walk into a rotation and be a #2/3 right now.

And Matt Harrington already did the blow-out-the arm thing.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 16, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't Kris Benson hyped like that, too?

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Aug 16, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least Benson

failed due to injury where Wells just sucked.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Aug 16, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

And he still put up 7 wins for the Pirates: 20 mil would still be a discount. And that’s ignoring the possibility he goes all Verlander/Lincecum/Beckett on it.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 16, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kip Wells had very serious command issues

…that everyone sort of overlooked. Strasburg lives in an era where everyone and their mother has a video camera and access to scouting reports and data. Tons of people, ourselves included, think of themselves as sit-at-home baseball experts and have the information at hand to check it out. Strasburg is legit, and if some red flag were there someone would have found it and screamed about it until someone else saw it too. The only thing barring this guy from being a really good pitcher is the very real risk of injury that every single pitcher lives with every time they take the mound.

VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.

by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 16, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly

I think it’s patently stupid for a team to draft a guy knowing full well what he’ll likely cost and then acting all shocked and shaken when they don’t sign the guy b/c their offer was underwhelming. I’m betting Miller signs though, but I agree on your general premise…and I’m looking towards our nation’s capital when I say that. If the Nats don’t sign Strasburg they may as well fold their tent. Didn’t sign Crow last year, no Strasburg this year is a PR disaster and may cost them the 132 fans they have left. I know I’d be pissed.

BTW…I love when Dan’N’Al try to poo-poo Strasburg and try the old “Not all ’spects work out!!!” line. They aren’t wrong…after all TNSTAAPP!…but I think Strasburg is as close to a sure thing as we’re going to see for some time. He’s got Justin Verlander’s skill set (or damn close to it) right now. I’m betting Dan doesn’t know that b/c it’s a 50-50 chance he’ll even pronounce his damn name right (Steven StrasbOrg) and Al doesn’t care because all rookies suck at living and hate American and have it so easy and don’t take infield practice anymore and damn it if they’re not on my fucking lawn ruining my rose bushes again……….

VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.

by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 16, 2009 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What goes "SPLASH!"?

Ans: redbirdnation8206 going off the deep end

"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell

by albrtfn on Aug 16, 2009 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with paying Stratsburg 30 million is that the next #1 pick is going to expect close to the same thing.

Again, I’m not against these guys getting 3-5 mil. based on talent, but a lot of things can happen before he gets to the majors. And then the high school kid who was on the cover of SI is going to think that he’s worth around 30 mil. next year as well. A lot of high prospects with great potential end up not being worth the hype. Wasn’t Mark Prior a sure thing? He was great for a year or two, but then he got hurt and that was it.

My point is that baseball can’t start paying draft picks like the NFL bacause the talent doesn’t transistion the same way. And paying Stratsburg what he wants right now is the first step toward going down that road. This is also the reason I brought up Crow. The Royals have all the leverage right now in those negotiations and I wouldn’t offer him much over slot. Hardballing the guys who sit a year and making them lose money would set the trend that they’re not going to get more the second time through the draft than they would from the original offer.

by thp0344 on Aug 16, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing though...

The Nationals knew that Boras was going to ask for the moon on Strasburg. They knew he’d probably pull some kind of stunt. They knew he was going to fight them like hell to get what he wanted. If they didn’t want to deal with that, they shouldn’t have taken him in the first place. A few years back, the Twins passed on Prior b/c they didn’t want to pay him what he was going to ask for. They took Joe Mauer instead b/c they knew they could afford him and he was also a good player.

FTR, I actually agree that paying north of $20M for a draft pick sets a terrible precedent that could really only be reversed by some kind of illegal collusive operation. I think Strasburg IS a special talent and if anyone deserves a ridiculous contract, it’s him. But you are right…if he gets a massive deal, Bryce Harper will probably come in looking for one (and with good reason), the next big arm will look for a bigger one, and so on…

VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.

by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 16, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who acted surprised?

I think everyone (especially Matt Leach) has said the Cards are probably going over slot and like the other 15 or so teams that still haven’t signed their top picks either. I won’t count Miller out till the deadline has passed.

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Aug 16, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

"not w/ an eye toward trying to make the playoffs in ’07"

I hope not, since McGwire retired after ’01.

/edit fail

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 16, 2009 4:29 AM EDT reply actions  

thanks for the rundown, chuckb.

It’s interesting to see the numbers. Please remember to revisit this at the end of the season. It would be interesting to see where the values of lugo and holliday and derosa (and smoltz/speier?) end up.

I just saw timlin declined assignment to colorado springs so he could be with his family. I guess that means retirement?

If you guys are looking for material, it would be great to revisit some of the early season missed predictions – yesterday’s look at skippy was a good one. Pineiro and franklin are two huge and obvious examples. Carpenter’s (relatively) good health is another.some of the predictions weren’t bad ones – nobody would have predicted we’d have three different 3b injured. But I wonder if it makes sense to look at FA signings that worked, that didn’t, missed chances, guys we’re glad we didn’t pursue, etc.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Aug 16, 2009 4:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I was browsing through the postgame thread over at BCB...

And those guys hate Yadi more than Mets fans. I don’t really understand why. One guy said this:

Yeah. He’s very smug and egotistical.
Nothing made me more happy than seeing Lilly run him over…

I’ve never gotten that vibe from Yadi, but the reply to that one really baffles me:

Agreed 100%
When he claps his hands and throws the bat after a foul ball, there’s not much worse than that.

That’s at least the second or third time I’ve read that over there, and for the life of me, I can’t figure out what the hell it means.

The best, however, was this comment in response to someone rhetorically asking how Venable gets picked off at first with the bases loaded:

because molina likes to show off

Seriously Yadi, quit padding your stats and let the hitter hit.

V, b.

by LukeMP1186 on Aug 16, 2009 4:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Theriot

At least twice, right?

Now I wish he’d gotten the call at home, just to spite everyone. Including me.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 16, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously.

How can any team that employs that finger wagging, self-adoring, dance-around-the-basepath-and mock the other team bag of gas that is Alfonso Soriano, possibly have fans that see another player that they think likes to show off, and be upset about it?

That’s right, it’s the Cubs.

by fuegophil on Aug 16, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't forget...

that Soriano turns into the Hopping Fairy every fly ball hit to him…

by Big Rev on Aug 16, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

they also don't understand why we don't like the Brewers untucking

just incomprehensible!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 16, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's prolly the "post-pick stare" that Yadi gives the would-be offenders.

Personally, I think they’re just jealous because we have Yadi and they don’t.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 16, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still don't understand the comment in the middle...

The one about throwing the bat and clapping his hands after a foul ball. I keep trying to picture this action in my head, and I keep drawing a blank. Like I said, it’s not the first time I’ve seen them say something to that effect over there.

V, b.

by LukeMP1186 on Aug 16, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

They're Cubs fans,

when you love futility, there is no explanation. Evidently, their players don’t chastise themselves when they don’t do what they expect to.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 16, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

that sometimes when Yadi’s fighting to stay in an AB, he’ll keep fighting off pitches by fouling them off. Occasionally, he’ll basically throw his bat at the ball and foul it off and I think I’ve seen him clap after doing that — as if he’s proud of himself for staying in the AB. I think that’s what they’re referring to. Sounds stupid to me…of course, I think it’s stupid that Cards’ fans get all worked up over the Brewers untucking their shirts.

by chuckb on Aug 16, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Respect the GAME!!!!!

lol

The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB

by RiverRat on Aug 16, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

You could be right.

 I always took it as if he were saying “You can do better than that.”, but maybe not.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 16, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, it's Cubs fans

Cubs fans are like weathermen. They’re rarely right, and on the off chance the blind squirrel does find the acorn, they run around and say ’look at me!! LOOK AT MEEEEE!!!!!!"

People sleep peacably in their beds at night because rough men stand at the ready to do violence on their behalf--George Orwell.

by Ted Glover on Aug 16, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cubs fans are idiots

What more could you expect from them?

Forget Christmas in July... every day's a Holliday in St. Louis.

by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 16, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

No love for ol' Pete Guerrero?

ops+ of 125 in a quarter of a season. Who says a 18.5 game deficit can’t be overcome?

Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.

by guayzimi on Aug 16, 2009 8:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Pete Guerrero

almost single handedly won it for the cardinals one year. Cant recall the year.

by ridgesee on Aug 16, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was '89...

Cards closed to within a half game of the Cubs in September only to fall back.

The famous 11-8 game in Wrigley brought them to their closest point. They were down 7-2 going into the 7th. Pete homered and singled driving in five in the final couple of innings.

The next day they led only to have Dayley blow it. They could’ve taken over first place, instead they sank like a stone.

Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.

by guayzimi on Aug 16, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanx for bringing back

a long repressed bad memory. Now I will have to go to my dark closet for the rest of the day. J/K.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 16, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was '88

when Guerrero was acquired and the team was never as close as 10 GB after mid-June. Like McGwire, doesn’t count.

by chuckb on Aug 16, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was swapped even up for Tudor. Later Tudor re-signed with the Cards, so the Guerro trade was good from that point.

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Aug 16, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

So im currently on a cross country drive

And I want to listen to the game today through my iPhone if possible. Best way? That toadonalump site’s media player is not compatible with iPhones, is there any other stream that might be compatible? I could download MLB at bat I guess, but beforre I pony up the $10 does anyone know about cell phone service on the interstate? If I’m on the interstate in the middle of nowhere am I going to get good enough service to get the radio broadcast?

by mattyp on Aug 16, 2009 9:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Isn't xm doing a free seven day trial

for I phone? I know SIRIUS is. I will check into this.

The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB

by RiverRat on Aug 16, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually,

they probably won’t have the game, because only main channel is streamed online but you can try.

The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB

by RiverRat on Aug 16, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

where are you going to be?

You could look up Cardinals affiliates in those areas and try radio reception first.

Try this.

by stlfan on Aug 16, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll probably be into Ohio by then

Not seeing any radio affiliates. And yeah, riverrat, I don’t think xm broadcasts the actual games. But you were right about the free trial. I signed up and I’ll listen to the music, so thanks anyway. 22 hours in a car. I’m going to go nuts if I can’t at least listen to the game.

by mattyp on Aug 16, 2009 10:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Channel 187

But I think that’s just regular XM, not the streamed version. You should get 175 which is the main MLB channel on XM, so you can possibly get updates.

The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB

by RiverRat on Aug 16, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you have a laptop,

I would guess that he could listen on MLB if he had one of those cell phone connections. I can’t think what they are called(not the most technology driven person).

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 16, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's called tethering

and it’s only possible on a Jail-Broken iPhone.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Aug 16, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanx

We don’t even have cell phone coverage where I live unless you drive two miles down the road.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 16, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do have my laptop

There is also an express card adapter for laptops that allows you to pop out your sim card, put it in the adapter, and use that to get Internet on your computer. I remember looking at one agee weeks back and thinking, “when would I ever use this?” guess I’ve answered my own question now

by mattyp on Aug 16, 2009 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If it looks like a memory stick with an antenna

then that’s what I was thinking of instead of the tethering. I thought that it fit in the USB port but I’m talking outta my ass at this point. Always thought that would be a good idea if I ever got to where I needed it.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 16, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've used

my iPhone in the car while listening to KTRS audio through MLB AtBat, and I don’t think you’ll have any problems. Interstate highways typically have good cell coverage, even out in the middle of nowhere.

Using the iPhone, with AtBat should work for you…if you want to go that route.

"Fortune favors the bold!" - Virgil

by player2bnamedl8r on Aug 16, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

The $10 app is way worth it

It’s the only iPhone app I’ve bought and it’s worth every penny. Considering MLB charges you $15 for it’s online service (without a video feeds on occasion), it’s a pretty good deal.

by cloistermaximus on Aug 16, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

MLB At Bat

Is way worth it! I know this comment is a day late/dollar short. If I were on a road trip and didn’t have XM, I’d purchase a iPhone-to-stereo adapter and listen through stream via MLB At Bat. The streaming is very light (file-wise) and works great even over the edge network.

by OK USA on Aug 16, 2009 9:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cedeno

My memory informs me that I was at a game in the 80’s with a brother, bases loaded, the entire stadium chanting “CESAR, CESAR” and he hit a grand-slam.

On a related note, nice to hear the crowd buzzing and exploding ‘bout 2 seconds after AP eliminated a ball a couple of nights ago; there was a distinct and immediate scream in that crowd that put my hair on end, even gazing at the tiny mlb.com box on the cards’ site in the office, which bespoke the realization we’ve got the horses to do this.

Other mysteries remain. TL

by BKKCard on Aug 16, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

no

not enough of an obscure tangent.

The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB

by RiverRat on Aug 16, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cedeno

is listed as #5 on ChuckB’s list – fail to see how my comment would qualify as “an obscure tangent” let alone “not enough of one”.

Other mysteries remain. TL

by BKKCard on Aug 16, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has nothing to do with you.

I was essentially saying
BKK=/=Opera.

OperaCard is who hazel was implying your post sounded like.

The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB

by RiverRat on Aug 16, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a big Opera or Musical Fan

So don’t know what the hell is going on. But back to the 2nd thought in my post, the 2 games I did see this year had Welly walking about 5 and hitting 2 v. Brewers, the 2nd was against the Rockies and the only thing that livened the crowd as I recall was a Boog triple. Looks different these days and that’s good to hear and see.

Other mysteries remain. TL

by BKKCard on Aug 16, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just ignore it :)

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Aug 16, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't worry

We had a poster running wild around here who posted very tangential, weirdly worded comments that hinted he had some sort of inside information, which was likely total BS. Unless you are in fact that person, which I’m assuming you’re not, I wouldn’t worry.

VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.

by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 16, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great, great sig, RR

Saw that at BCB last night after LukeMP1186 posted their Yadi rant. Schadenfreude extravaganza over there, reading how miserable they are about Holliday, Dero and Lugo tearing it up for the BotB.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 16, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya, I thought

it was pure gold.

The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB

by RiverRat on Aug 16, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Def not

He’s been here, I think even before Opera

Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!

by jd is legend on Aug 16, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was

BKKCard = Mar 17, 2008
OperaCard = Jun 14, 2009

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Aug 16, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

not only that

but his comment was entirely related to the post.

by chuckb on Aug 16, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it was this one

1985

But a funny thing happened. Regular Cardinals first baseman Jack Clark became sidelined with an injury, thrusting Cedeno into the starting lineup as Clark’s replacement. And the more Cedeno played, the more he hit. And the more he hit, the more the Cardinals won.

He got three hits on September 5th against the Cubs. The Cardinals won. The next day, against the Atlanta Braves, Cedeno was sent in as a pinch-hitter. He hit a grand slam. The Cardinals won.

http://www.thebaseballpage.com/blog.php/108stitches/article/hail-cesar/

Other mysteries remain. TL

by BKKCard on Aug 16, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get it

Hazel = Nuts?

Other mysteries remain. TL

by BKKCard on Aug 16, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Shawon Dunston for Craig Paquette

how could you overlook Jocketty’s true masterstroke?

by musial6 on Aug 16, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Tix for today

My tickets for today are up on StubHub for $5 / seat. Section 263, Row 11, Seats 19-20.

Go grab ‘em. I don’t want them to go to waste.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Aug 16, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

They've been grabbed

Thanks!

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Aug 16, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

OT > Answer: Bengie.

Question: Which Molina brother didn’t shut down a baserunner yesterday?

But Bengie hit a home run and got drilled, so I guess it’s even.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 16, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Jose did too?

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Aug 16, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

caught Ichiro stealing third.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 16, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Aug 16, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

see sig

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 16, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys missed out

VEB Day was fun tomorrow. I was dissapointed since almost no one from STL actually showed up. Almost everyone was from out of town

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 16, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I injured my back.

I’m so bummed I couldn’t be there.

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Aug 16, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also,

how was it fun tomorrow? :P

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Aug 16, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

they really, really had fun

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 16, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

In the future.

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Aug 16, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

did they have the hangover the day before yesterday?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 16, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

We'll have to wait until Tuesday to find out.

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Aug 16, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Get better soon.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 16, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Aug 16, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry to hear that

People were asking about ya. It was weird to put faces to usernames. It was nice to talk baseball talk in person. Dan said something funny “I think this is the first time I have ever said UZR out loud”

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 16, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's great.

Next year, hopefully.

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Aug 16, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for kicking me while I'm down.

No wonder people think Cards fans are smug.

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Aug 16, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha

I just meant the Next year, Hopefully remark

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 16, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know. Just playin.

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Aug 16, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well you're that much closer to his foot.

And we’re smug because we are smarter and better looking.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 16, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was at the game on Friday

but family was in town so I just stuck with them

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Aug 16, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like to watch baseball games

I just sit in my mom’s basement in my Lord of the Rings boxer shorts eating melted cheddar cheese nachos with Frank’s Red Hot. I then play World of Warcraft until the game is over, then look at the stats in a spreadsheet. I actually hate baseball and wouldn’t know which end of the bat to hold, but I love stats. They make me hard and wet at the same time. I’ll let you figure that out….

VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.

by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 16, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jabba and WPA

One thing that always stuck with me about Belliard is that he sucked in the clutch for us. His WPA for us in two months was -1.88, a pace of un-clutch-ness equal to the greatest exploits of the curiously inept Adam Everett.

His defensive excellence seemed to have more to do with his bizarre positioning than anything else. I guess it ended up as a net positive, but I think there was a bit of an illusion there.

Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.

by Solanus on Aug 16, 2009 11:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

On the contrary:

2006 NLDS Game 4:

CARDINALS 1ST: Eckstein grounded out (second to first); Wilson
singled to right; Pujols grounded out (third to first) [Wilson
to second]; Edmonds was hit by a pitch; Encarnacion walked
[Wilson to third, Edmonds to second]; Belliard singled to center
[Wilson scored, Edmonds scored, Encarnacion to third, Belliard
out at second (center to first to second)]; 2 R, 2 H, 0 E, 1
LOB. Padres 2, Cardinals 2.

It might not seem like a big deal now, but at the time, our ace had shaky control and allowed the pads to put up a 2 spot in the top of the first. Things looked a little grim, then the belly tied it up, allowing Carp to settle in and pitch a great game, outlasting Woody.

by cloistermaximus on Aug 16, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember this well

Because I was listening on the radio while playing softball at the time. The moment that Belliard hit that tying single I jacked a 3-run home run. It was like double awesome.

by cloistermaximus on Aug 16, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

See, I don't see it that way

I fully understand the “no tomorrow” mentality re: The Playoffs, but one AB or one inning does not a player make. There have been plenty of guys that didn’t make ChuckB’s list who had one or two big moments down the stretch after just joining the team, but they didn’t do enough overall to justify inclusion.

Saying he’s the same as Weaver wouldn’t hold water either because Weaver at least didn’t kill us leading up to the playoffs, and then significantly improved our chances to win it all. Using the same reasoning would seemingly justify shitting on Pujols because he struck out in a single bases-loaded situation, and ignoring his usual ridiculousness at all other times. Jabba had a few brief great flashes overshadowed by his otherwise crippling bad play.

Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.

by Solanus on Aug 16, 2009 1:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wasn't arguing that he was as valuable as Weaver or Walker

Just that he did have a pretty significant hit in the clutch. At least in my eyes.

by cloistermaximus on Aug 16, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

chuck

You left off Russell Branyan

Honest mistake, I’m sure

Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!

by jd is legend on Aug 16, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

well-played

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Aug 16, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

stats question

Is there any way (or any site) that distinguishes if a runner was picked off by the catcher or the pitcher?

I sense logic-fail on my part…

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 16, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I find it interesting how Julio Lugo has kind of been lost in the shuffle

since the trade. He’s got splits of .365/.397/.603 with an ops+ of 161. Yeah, it’s not sustainable, but I thought with everything that surrounded Lugo coming to St Louis (most notably the ire of LaDunc in trading Chris Duncan) that he would automatically go into Tony’s doghouse before he even got off the plane, and this kind of production was a complete pipedream.

The guy gives the club depth, and a good 2B option against lefties, which is an added bonus because Skip is a liability against them.

I think that trade might go down as a top 10 as well, especially when you consider he’s signed through next year and Boston’s picking up the tab.

Thanks, Theo!

People sleep peacably in their beds at night because rough men stand at the ready to do violence on their behalf--George Orwell.

by Ted Glover on Aug 16, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Replace 'batting line' with 'splits'

People sleep peacably in their beds at night because rough men stand at the ready to do violence on their behalf--George Orwell.

by Ted Glover on Aug 16, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

text WEBGEM to 43776

vote for Albert.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 16, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Boog has at least three this week.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 16, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Y2S

Is it time to add TINSTAAPP to the glossary? I know it’s used across the board on numerous sites, but it’s been popping up here the last few days quite a bit, what with the imminent deadline for signing draft picks. Just a thought.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 16, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow, goes back to 2005 and was used by lboros...

however, it’s a baseball-related term. it’s showing up on online dictionaries for me. I’m not about to define all those terms… maybe someone else can take a bite out of that UZR…

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 16, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

but I guess we're not as smart as BBTN

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 16, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

and ESPN's East Coast bias

Forget Christmas in July... every day's a Holliday in St. Louis.

by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 16, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: how are the following pitchers not suspended?

Cain: Actually hit Wright in the hit. If you miss him you get 3 days… So hitting hims hould get you..

J. Santana: Throws behind Kung fu Panda. Gets warned. The big guy hits a homerun. THen he hits Molinda and doesn’t get tossed? WTF? He was just warned.

F. Cabrera: Drills kinsler after he destroyed the RedSox.

by Evilfrog on Aug 16, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, silly.

Those pitchers are somebodies.

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Aug 16, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't get why PK was suspended

Stupid, stupid thing. In no way was PK’s throw at Wright intentional. Wright just did a great job acting.

Forget Christmas in July... every day's a Holliday in St. Louis.

by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 16, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

well it seems like the GOB were exremely displeased

the GOB are cruel.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 16, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moz was on 550 earlier

He was pretty vague but he has me semi worried about not signing Miller. He said he would like add another right hand reliever but nothing particular

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 16, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

ot, but

mlbtr says

The Red Sox did not pursue Cardinals shortstop Khalil Greene when he cleared waivers. Remember to check out out handy dandy list of players who have already cleared waivers.

when was khalil placed on waivers? how do i miss one of our players being dfa’d? and how is he still playing in games?

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Aug 16, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

not dfa'd

Revocable waivers. So if someone claims they can work out a trade or pull him back

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 16, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT....My 25 year obsession has come to an end.

I always knew it would happen some day, I just thought I’d be better prepared for the moment than I am.

Off to drink.

The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB

by RiverRat on Aug 16, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

You are better off without her, RR.

Word on the street is that her mother is the devil. Besides, she’s got too many tats.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 16, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

...you know she was in St. Louis, right?

for the ASG… saw her autograph line at the Bowling Museum building.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 16, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya....too bad she

wasn’t there in May when I was. I’m in MT, and decided I would rather come out for the three game series sweep of the Cubs instead this year.

It was a good choice IMO.

The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB

by RiverRat on Aug 16, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boog leading off?

Okay…

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 16, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

LHP for the Pads?

Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!

by jd is legend on Aug 16, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cardinals’ lineup:

Brendan Ryan ss

Julio Lugo 2b

Albert Pujols 1b

Matt Holliday lf

Ryan Ludwick rf

Mark DeRosa 3b

Yadier Molina c

Colby Rasmus cf

Kyle Lohse p

The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB

by RiverRat on Aug 16, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting to note

that the only players on the list who really cost us anything were Finley (Crisp) and Rolen (Polanco). I hope we don’t rue the day we gave up two MLB pitchers for 2+ months of DeRosa. In case you haven’t been paying attention lately Perez has been pretty awesome for the Tribe, Todd not so much.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Aug 16, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

LALALALALALALA

I can’t HEAR you!

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 16, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cedeno

As long as I am in control of what I remember and what I don’t, I will not forget September 11, 1985. Tudor and Doc Gooden locked in a 9-inning scoreless duel. Orosco relieves Doc in the 10th. Cesar goes yard. Tudor shuts the door in the 10th. That’s a winner!

Not an argument for or against his placement in the list (great list, BTW), just a great stretch-run acquisition memory. That game made me say “We will hold off the Mets and win the division.”

by TedSimmonsFan on Aug 17, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

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