On Defense
by chuckb on Aug 15, 2009 2:11 AM EDT
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| wRAA | UZR/150 | positional adjustment | replacement level | Total RAR | WAR | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Skip | 0.2 | -15.5 | 2.5 | 20 | 7.2 | 0.7 |
Over at fangraphs, R.J. Anderson had a more sanguine take on Skip’s move to the keystone. He used a different offensive assumption than I did. Rather than using CHONE’s projections, he assumed that Skip would have the same offensive season he had in 2008 – 6 wRAA. On defense, his assumption was basically the same as mine, though he took the average UZRs of the majors’ worst 2nd basemen over the last 5 years and came up w/ a UZR of minus 14. Using these numbers, Skip’s transition seemed to make a little more sense.
| wRAA | UZR/150 | positional adjustment | replacement level | Total RAR | WAR | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Skip | 6 | -14 | 2.5 | 20 | 14.5 | 1.45 |
But something happened on the way to mediocrity. For one thing, Skip’s offense hasn’t been quite as good as in 2008 but it’s been better than CHONE projected. Right now, he’s sitting w/ a wOBA of .334 – slightly above league average – and 1.7 wRAA. That’s a pace for approximately 2.4 wRAA by season’s end. As for his defense…well, it’s been pretty bad, but it’s been better than either R.J. or I anticipated. Right now his UZR is minus 9.7 runs and his UZR/150 is minus 12.8. This puts him last in the big leagues in UZR/150 but 2nd to last – in front of the Royals’ Alberto Callaspo – in UZR. Like I said, it’s bad but it’s not quite as bad as anticipated. Put it together and, as of right now, Skip’s prorated 2nd base numbers put him roughly at
| wRAA | UZR/150 | positional adjustment | replacement level | Total RAR | WAR | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Skip | 1.65 | -9.7 | 2.17 | 13.84 | 7.96 | 0.80 |
The positional adjustment above is computed based on the fact that Skip has played 86.5% of his innings this year at 2nd base. The wRAA and replacement level numbers are prorated based on the fact that Skip only has 3 starts in the OF. Therefore, approximately 3% of his PAs have come as an OF and 97% of his PAs have come as a 2B. This puts him on a pace to be worth roughly 1.13 WAR as a 2nd baseman. He’s been basically replacement level, or maybe a little less, as an OF.
But here’s the thing: Skip’s defense is improving. Derrick Goold noted that billjamesonline stated as much.
His UZR right now is minus 9.7 but his UZR/150 is getting lower and lower as the year goes along. By season’s end, it might be lower than minus 9.7 runs, but that run total is decreasing at a decreasing pace. In other words, I wouldn’t necessarily expect that he will be 30% MORE runs below 0 just b/c we have 30% of the season left. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me all that much if he’s still around minus 10 at season’s end. If so, we will have witnessed a remarkable transformation – one whose improvement would hopefully continue next season.
On the other hand, not enough has been made of La Russa’s bizarre decision the other night to allow Rick Ankiel to pinch hit with noted lefty-killer Arthur Rhodes on the mound. Khalil Greene was in the dugout and, w/ 2 out and 2 on in the bottom of the 8th, the situation called for Greene’s use. If not, under what circumstances WILL La Russa turn to Greene? If he can’t turn to him in those situations, why is he even on the roster? Allen Craig would’ve been a much better option there than Ankiel.
Allen Craig, inexplicably, has never been given a chance w/ the big club this year. Craig raked in spring training and is still hitting the cover off the ball w/ Memphis. Now, of course, we have no 3B ready to step in next year and, for whatever reason, Craig’s name never enters the discussion. We’re told that his defense prevents him from being considered.
True to the company line, Craig has played only 13 games at 3B this year. Most of his work has been done in LF and, failing a Holliday resigning, he absolutely needs to be considered for the LF job next year w/ the big club. That said, in looking at his total zone numbers I fail to see why he doesn’t get at least SOME consideration for the 3B job. Am I saying "Give him the job outright?" I absolutely am not. What I’m saying is – "Give him a shot at it!"
If you look at Craig’s total zone numbers over his minor league career, he’s been 2 runs below average at the hot corner over 630 minor league chances spread out over 4 seasons. Last year, David Wright and Kevin Kouzmanoff led all major league 3B in total chances w/ 416. So 630 chances is roughly a season and a half’s worth of chances – maybe a little more than that since we wouldn’t expect Craig to play as the hot corner as well as those 2. Let’s say it’s worth 1.6 seasons’ worth of chances. Craig’s -2, if we assume total zone is roughly equal to UZR and most people say they’re pretty close, would convert to approximately a UZR of minus 3.2 runs over a full season. Now, that’s below average (thus the minus!) but it’s also in the same neighborhood as ARod, Mark Reynolds and Aramis Ramirez last season and better than ARod, Wright, and Mike Lowell this season. In other words, there’s no reason to believe that Craig can’t be at least a respectable third baseman. If we’re ok going into the season believing that Skip’s going to be a minus 10 to minus 15 second baseman, isn’t a minus 3 third baseman worth a shot?
Finally, some here – and, of course Dan and Al – made light of Dusty Baker’s use of the infield shift to attempt to defend against Albert the other night. In case you missed it, he pulled Brandon Phillips almost behind 2nd base and moved (the since-traded) Alex Gonzalez more into the hole at short. Our illustrious broadcasters, as well as some Cards’ fans, scoffed at this – mostly b/c Dusty is a (ahem!) "peculiar" manager. However, if you look at Albert’s hit chart at mlb.com, the idea isn’t so crazy. (I’ve obviously forgotten how to capture an image from a screen, so go to the link and check "singles" and "ground outs" and you’ll see where Albert’s hit the ball so far this season.)
In looking at the hit chart for Busch Stadium, (you can’t create a hit chart for all stadiums at once) Albert has just 3 ground outs to the right of 2nd base all season. He only has 2 singles at Busch that might have been fielded by the right fielder. While his fly balls are much more evenly distributed, his hits and ground outs are strongly to the left side of 2nd base or up the middle. It seems to me that just by looking at that hit chart, there’s no reason not to put the shift on for Albert. We have this notion that Albert hits to all fields, and certainly he CAN, but he doesn’t very often. Positioning a 2nd baseman up the middle and a shortstop more in the hole will take more hits away from Albert than it will yield.
Besides, if I’m an opposing manager, I want to try and goad Albert into trying to sneak a single into the open hole I created by moving the 2nd baseman behind 2nd base. That way, he won’t hit the ball out of the ballpark. If I were Albert, I wouldn’t fall for their ploy. I have no idea how many hits this shift will take away from Albert – probably a net of fewer than 10 over the course of a season – but it’s better than nothing.
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This Skippy to 2nd thing might work.
I’m glad to see these numbers. I tend to not trust my eyes at times, but Skippy really has looked better at the keystone lately. He seems to be more fluid in his turns and he is making clean plays on some of the tougher ground balls that he was having trouble with early on. I don’t see any reason that he can’t turn himself into a – 4-7 UZR/150 guy next season. He seems to have the work ethic and the athleticism. If he does and continues to be an adequate leadoff guy, I am thrilled with this transition and may be worthy or an extension. My main concern however is his ability to hit lefties. Hopefully he can concentrate on that more this offseason, without the distraction of having to make a position change. Oh yeah……. It’s nearing travesty territory that Craig hasn’t gotten his first cup (55 gallon drum) of tea. And……..as much as I hate to say it Baker does look pretty smart with the shift. I think it might have been a lucky guess though considering he is a fucking knucklehead.
by cdc81 on Aug 15, 2009 2:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade Skip?
If Descalso is ready, do you platoon him and Lugo at 2B?
Market Skip for pitching help and/or picks.
This might also help the $$$ situation. Descalso would play for the minimum; Lugo’s free (thanks Theo!)
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by gocards62 on Aug 15, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No trade value
Skip is a thirty-year old, still-below-avg. defensive 2B, who can’t hit LHP. That’s not a valuable commodity. He’s just starting to have value to the Cardinals, and he has no trade value (and you can’t trade for picks in MLB). Why would we want to trade him?
Moreover, it’s doubtful Descalso is ready. He’s not hitting at AAA and hasn’t played a lot at 2B there.
In sum, Skip has value to the Cards as a cheap platoon partner to Lugo at 2b next year. But he’s not bringing back anything in a trade that remotely approaches that value.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 15, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's Not Dump...
…too much on Skip. He is second on the club in Runs Scored, Hits, Doubles, Walks, Batting Average, and has a respectable, if unexciting, OPS of .756. And his defense is getting better. I, for one, am happy he’s made the transition and that he’s here. Besides, he’s got GRIT!
:=8)
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 15, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cup of tea?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 15, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's shorthand for
first trip to the majors.
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by Gregatron on Aug 15, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cup of coffee, I thought.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 15, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"cup of tea" makes it sound like he's a cricket player
by nota bene on Aug 15, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had the same thought. :)
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 15, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I used it wrong.
First trip to majors is what I meant.
by cdc81 on Aug 15, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: the shift
You’d have to pitch him inside because if you’re pitching him away I’d guess Pujols could plug that hole like 50% of the time—-and if you’re pitching him inside more regularly than you should, he’s going to cheat and do unforgivable things to those baseballs. You’re only real way of getting Pujols out normally is to beat him inside, but if you’re letting him cheat it’s over. It’s probably not a bad ploy for an AB or two as a surprise, but if you pulled that every time Pujols would adjust and commit the hitting equivalent of genocide no matter where you pitched him.
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by joker24 on Aug 15, 2009 2:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
our announcers
would say something as trite as dusty is “peculiar.” i do agree with joker that you’d have to sprinkle it in. if pujols knows where going to try to pitch him consistently, it’s over. i’d say say i my first inclination as to how the skip transition would go was “huh, we’re doing what?” now, as long as the improvement is still there, i’m ok with it. i would still put re-signing derosa on my list of things to do this off-season. i’d like it if craig got an actual chance to make the team though.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
by birdsonabat on Aug 15, 2009 2:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i may have to say it...
Free Khalil Greene!
He seems to be doing okay so far; I’m all for ramping up his appearances slowly until he can handle longer shifts at third, or even start. I did want to see how he was going to fare at 3B.
In the cited situation, of course, the other question is whose psyche is La Russa trying to preserve…?
Liked the article, chuckb. All the stuff I was wondering about lately. Well, other than DeRosa.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 3:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so...
we should start playing khalil greene more and see if he works his way into starting by the end of the season? for what? are we gonna re-sign him? no. let’s pretend that he did magically work his way into starting… do you really gamble that he can keep it up and his psyche wont melt down at the most crucial of moments… the playoffs?? we’re WAY past that. the only reason derosa isn’t replicating what he’s been doing the last 2 years is his wrist. which a surgery can easily fix. then we’ll get him cheaper. go all in khalil again…no thanks. pass the salt.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
by birdsonabat on Aug 15, 2009 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not think that means what you think it means...
I never said anything about re-signing him.
I never said anything about “going all in” with him again.
I get the feeling people are profoundly misunderstanding how to treat mental illness. What’s gonna make a guy feel worse, doing well in the minors only to be called up by the big club just to ride pine, or gradually getting used to playing in the big leagues again, albeit in a more limited role? Of course he’s not going to get a shot in the playoffs if you don’t get him ready before the playoffs. The goal is to prevent the meltdown. I’m not talking about a magical pegacorn here.
As far as I can tell, Khalil is not in a position to cost us any games, not with this lineup. If the splits favor him, why not play him? See what happens.
And as for DeRosa, what are you going to do if his wrist gives out during the playoffs? Explain how this is an easier fix.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be in favor of everyone stop pretending that we know anything about how Khalil's situational playing time or lack thereof will affect his mental illness
I definitely agree he should have batted rather than Ankiel against Rhodes.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 15, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
In that particular case, I don’t know if he should have batted against Rhodes, precisely because we don’t know the details. FWIW, I presented that either-or as a hypothetical for the reply — that if we don’t know how he’s progressing, we can’t assume he’ll crumple in high leverage situations. There’s been too much of this attitude that “he’s crazy, therefore he’s done” which is just wrong. It’s like any other injury. It might be better to play through it, or sit it, or go on the DL, or test it out on the playing field.
All I’m saying is, give the guy the benefit of the doubt, and give him some playing time. He’s not going to get re-acclimated to Major League play unless he’s playing between the lines. If he’s ready to play, and it’s a situation where he can, that’s no time for TLR to keep him back.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm with this approach
truth is, derosa is hurt now and not performing all that well offensively or defensively, and is not making as much as kg.
kg should get more time and in part i say this because i don’t think he on the “do not sign” list right now. rosy will be a gamble and may not resign at a reduced rate (see sheets, ben). plus he is older. it is not infeasible that we go into next year with kg as a 3rd base option with freese and mather. he is still a physical talent and his role next year is not likely to include batting 4th
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by sportsman on Aug 15, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cards should really compare notes with the Royals
The Reds just gave Votto a leave, IIRC, so they might not have experience juggling a mental condition with playing time. But the Royals will probably get a full season out of Greinke, and his issues are ongoing.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Votto's deal was grief in relation to the death of his father....
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by joker24 on Aug 15, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
Mental conditions don’t have to be chronic.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhh I missed a "not"
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 15, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I got all run-on sentencey
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hold on
i’ve never said i knew, nor pretended know anything about greene’s condition, or how best to go about treating it. i do NOT think he is crazy at all. all i’m saying is his psyche too fragile for me. i just don’t want a guy trying to “figure” anything out at the plate, the mound, defensively, ANYWHERE. a playoff push is not the place or time for that.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
by birdsonabat on Aug 15, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see
You’re approaching this like some kind of mental block. I’m approaching this like a mental illness. These are not the same thing.
I get that you don’t want to work things out in the Majors. I disagree with that — there are some things that have to be worked out against MLB pitching and hitting. On a limited basis. Otherwise, why is he on the team in the first place? Clearly the Cardinals think he can still contribute, otherwise he’d have been dumped a dozen different ways in the last few weeks.
If the Cubs or Brewers were charging, and our lead in the Central were tenuous, no, of course I wouldn’t want any of these guys to work on anything. But we’ve got some breathing room this month — if there aren’t any tweaks made now, it will be disastrous to try them in September.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer to just bury him on the roster
I don’t want him anywhere near a postseason game
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by azruavatar on Aug 15, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry.
on the re-read i noticed the end came off a lil more dickish than i intended.
no harm?
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
by birdsonabat on Aug 15, 2009 4:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who didn't you depants in this post, chuck?
chuckb? Check.
front office? Check.
Tony LaRussa? Check.
Dan n’ Al? Check.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2009 4:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He left me alone today.
I've made a huge tiny mistake.
by the red baron on Aug 15, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Short, declarative sentence.
I like it. It is a good sentence. You said what you wanted to say.
OK, I’ll stop now.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 15, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turning over a new leaf.
Brevity is the new way.
I've made a huge tiny mistake.
by the red baron on Aug 15, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omit needless words.
That’s one of my dad’s favorite lines of advice for writing.
For your next post, try one of those old composition exercises. Do a post entirely with one-syllable words! Then, write a fictional conversation between MO, Shaq, and Lambert that is all dialogue and less than 200 words total. It’ll be like freshman year of college all over again. The final exam will be a take home essay comparing the Cardinal’s season to the Iliad.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 15, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those all sound like excellent ideas.
After, I’ll punch myself in the groin until I pass out from the pain. It will be a full and exciting day.
I've made a huge tiny mistake.
by the red baron on Aug 15, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'll make you stronger, I promise.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 15, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
getting closer
only “after,” “myself,” and “exciting” were more than 1 syllable.
by stlfan on Aug 16, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good post Chuck
Skip is really starting to look like a second baseman as opposed to a converted outfielder stationed at second.
Tony’s decision to leave Ank in there against a lefty was truly inexplicable. If he had run out of players on the bench that would be one thing—but he still had K-bot which the situation demanded that he use him there. Instead, he leaves Ank in a situation to fail…which he promptly did.
by nmstar on Aug 15, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Al and Dan
seam to Love Skip at 2B. Don’t they look at these numbers? Are a part of a public relations campaign trying to convince us that Skip is a solid 2Ber? Seriously I want to know. Watching Skip this season he has improved and makes a nice play now and again, but you would think that Al and Dan are watching a gold glover they way the blow smoke.
I really like what DeRossa brings to the team, and would like to see him signed. Holliday as well.
If we can find a suitable 3Ber for next year would anybody have a problem with DeRossa being our everyday 2Ber. Skip if he remains on the team would be the 4th or 5th outfielder. That might leave Ryan to lead off, but the outfield stays, Holliday. Rasmus, Luddy. Skip and Craig on the bench. The infield has say Freese, or maybe Glaus*. Ryan, DeRossa and Albert. KG and Thurston would be gone.. Lugo backing up the middle infield. It seams that there is a lot to like about this team going forward
- I would not offer Glaus arbitration, but try to sign him to an incentive laden one year deal. If he can prove he is healthy enough. Then Mather or Freese would end up backing him up.
by nybirdfan on Aug 15, 2009 9:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only problem with that is money
Unless you want our 4th AND 5th starters to be filled from within. Also Schu would be worth more as trade bait than he would as a 4th OF.
Also I think Lugo/Descalso can almost fill in what DeRosa would bring at 2B. Although I don’t know how Descalso is defensively he probably isn’t worse than DeRosa, who really belongs in the OF. And remember if DeRosa leaves he probably will be a type A and bring us back two draft picks. Plus there is risk with DeRosa with the wrist injury, so if he gets type A status we either get him with arb or even better get the draft picks.
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Aug 15, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lugo, rosy, kg
mather, freese, craig
lots of infield pieces to sort out
lugo is the most tradeable piece because he costs nothing.
just an opinion, but i think skippy has done about what he will do at 2nd. i don’t see much improvement in his future. he has a slow first step and his range is limited. this will always limit his statistical ranking
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by sportsman on Aug 15, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skip is a good second baseman
He hasn’t had a good season at second. But if we were to erase the numbers at start today i think he would be worth more than what we are paying for. He’ll be even better next year. I also don’t think it would be fair to have someone completely change their career path for a year only to send them to the bench.
by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
even if he is a weak link, do we need an above-average 2B?
Boog to his right, Albert to his left, a good CFer backing him… whatever his name is…
If Skip can improve against lefties or improve his range, I’d stand pat. He could just as easily take his services elsewhere. I mean, the Cubs are probably looking for a utility guy. We all want that, don’t we?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CFer is Cody Ramos
and i mean hes alright
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by stlwcards on Aug 15, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, and really,
most of my concerns about the middle infield have dissipated by now. Third base, the back of the rotation and the bullpen look like the major questions for next year.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 15, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And left field...
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 15, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bake more pies.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you realize that by declaring our holes
To be at the back of the rotation, the bullpen and third base (much as we declared ourselves to be stacked at third and outfield and the bullpen last year) we will find out we are doing fine at all three places next year and desperately in need of help at three other positions.
That’s just how baseball karma works.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 15, 2009 4:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I agree they are
frustrating, but really you should not be expecting anything like objectivity from our announcers. They are there to shill for the Cardinals, period. And compounding that is Al’s “former player disease,” i.e., the belief that since he was a ML player, he already knows everything he needs to know about baseball.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 15, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Craig is the new J-Rod
I’m sure we’ll see him on Sept 1. Do we have any more PTBNL to handout still —maybe he’s on one of those lists?
Is the conventional wisdom that Derosa is hurt? Not sure how he could hit so many homers if he was hurt. I just think he is in a slump.
Just win
by The Duke on Aug 15, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It isn't conventional wisdom
It is fact. DeRosa is playing with a torn tendon sheath in his wrist.
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* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 15, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he's able to hit homers seemingly at a very high clip
I’m not sure that i buy into the wrist problem being the issue.
Just win
by The Duke on Aug 15, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think someone had a theory that
he changed his swing in order to not make the injury worse. And that might be why he has a low BA, but an abnormally high HR total. It seemed plausible to me.
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Aug 15, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah unless i missed the lugo ptbnl
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Aug 15, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony - Rick
IMO, Tony’s move was based more on his desire to give Ank some exposure than any reluctance to use Khalil. Tony wants Ank to get the big contract at seasons end. He stated as much in the July 3rd pregame show when talking about Ank’s struggles. Hopefully DeWitt/Mo have told Tony it won’t be with the Cards.
Tony was hoping to pull an inside straight with Ank. Extremely Dumb Ass move on his part. I was fully expecting the switch once Rhodes was announced. At least Ank didn’t strike out as expected and he did hit it deep (deep shortstop that is)
by ubeddie on Aug 15, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if he wants to get ankiel a big contract, then la russa should never use ankiel against lefties. all it does is drive down ankiel’s rate stats.
St. Louis Cardinals -- 2006 World Champions
by greenback06 on Aug 15, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no lose situation for Ank though
facing a tough lefty with 10% chance of getting a hit. Ank singles and his value moves up somewhat. Ank gets out, his value doesn’t change.
OTOH, Ank starting against a LHP like Santana getting fooled four times does happen to kill his value.
by ubeddie on Aug 15, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is ridiculous
No manager in his right mind is going to sacrifice wins in order to try to pimp a favorite player of theirs for a better contract after the season.
There are 3 things the average man thinks he can do better than everybody else: build a fire, run a motel, and manage a baseball team.
-- Rocky Bridges
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 15, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ve seen no evidence that la russa is in right mind when making decisions about ankiel.
St. Louis Cardinals -- 2006 World Champions
by greenback06 on Aug 15, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100000000000000000000000
that is all
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Aug 15, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is your opinion
as to why would tony have left Ank in to face Rhodes when he had two righties (k-bot & larue) on the bench? Thursty was even available to fill any defensive emergencies later in the game. Was he saving Kbot in the same manner as saving Albert in the 07 all star game? Did he think Ank would succeed like Brendan Ryan did when BR pinch hit for Luddy earlier this year? Tony’s got the stats and Ank was 0 for 3 against Rhodes with one GIDP. Was Tony outsmarted by Dusty?
by ubeddie on Aug 15, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR pinch-hit Ank against a righty
Then Dusty brought in the lefty
(IIRC)
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 15, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Cincy could have countered....
And then the STL bench would have been LaRue. Period.
There are 3 things the average man thinks he can do better than everybody else: build a fire, run a motel, and manage a baseball team.
-- Rocky Bridges
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 15, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you sure do like the... Period.
do you think if you keep putting that in there that it will suddenly makes us all grasp our ignorance?
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 15, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be so sure there with your "period"
Cincy could not have countered.
MLB rules say that the pitcher cannot be replaced (other than for injury) without facing a batter. (see MLB rule: 3.05b)
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
by TNTinCO on Aug 15, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Face a hitter.....
or throw A pitch?
There are 3 things the average man thinks he can do better than everybody else: build a fire, run a motel, and manage a baseball team.
-- Rocky Bridges
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 16, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No they couldn't have
Once a pitcher is brought into the game he must face one hitter.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 15, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, reply fail
I didn’t page down far enough and see that TNTinCO had already made this point.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 15, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i'm not usually "that girl"
pulling out the rule book, but something about the “period” set me off there. it just felt too self-righteous for my tastes.
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
by TNTinCO on Aug 16, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony's move
Looking at the box score, Ank pinch hit for Miller. This move by Tony allows Tony’s insertion of Ank allowed Dusty to replace a struggling Massett with Rhodes, who is having a very successful 2009.
Massett faced 5 batters, retiring two and giving up a HR, walk and double. Dusty has Rhodes LHP, two righties in the pen Fisher and Burton as well as Cordero for the ninth.
Tony lost that battle of the minds with Dusty by not using Kbot as the pinch hitter against Massett or Rhodes.
by ubeddie on Aug 15, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"No manager in his right mind"
Was that actually supposed to be a defense of tony??
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Aug 15, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if he wants Ankiel to "get the big contract"
but I bet he wants to see him succeed. Not like, he wants the team to win kind of thing. I feel like he wants to see Ankiel succeed on a personal level, and he can’t do that by riding the bench.
Tony hasn’t built a relationship like that with Khalil, I’m sure he’d still like Khalil to succeed, but it’s not as personal as it is with Ankiel.
Simplest way to put it is that Tony feels almost as strongly about Ankiel as he did about Duncan.
But that’s just my opinion. I kinda feel the same way, but it’s his job to not let that keep him from making the best moves.
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Aug 15, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez, I hope TLR
eventually decides to “adopt” Colby like that.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 15, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, once Ankiel is gone he has to adopt somebody
And Colby will be the only youngish LH OF left, so he’s a shoo-in for Tony’s favorite, right?
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Aug 15, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear on Quickpitch this morning that the Cards lead the majors
in double plays. I’m sure Pineiro has something to do with that, but I’m guessing a certain coach might attribute that partially to the 2nd baseman. Heh.
by sdrone on Aug 15, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DP
I saw that stat too. It was like 113 total or around that.
I wonder how many DPs skip has cost because of this range etc…
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Aug 15, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably about the same number
as Brendan Ryan has turned because of his range…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 15, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
143... which is now 146
i believe that is what i read last night
by BirdsonFire on Aug 15, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought both Derosa and Skip looked goodin the field last night. Not sure, however, that the Skip transition was a big improvement over paying Kennedy's salary to leave.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Aug 15, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not either
I was just saying that it’s worked out better than I thought it would. I really thought we’d have signed Ray Durham or Grudzielanek by now.
by chuckb on Aug 15, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is Grudz these days?
Did he get released?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It lasted
less than a month with the Twinkies.
Philles announcers about Toronto:
"Well they go out West after this series, this weekend, against the Tampa Bay Rays"
by RiverRat on Aug 15, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow.
His skills were that off?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assumed he was just out of shape
Not necessarily physically, but timing wise and everything else. You can run drills and stuff by yourself, but that’s a far cry from playing in a pro game of any kind, not to mention the majors.
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Aug 15, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the comments seem to indicate otherwise
I don’t know how this stuff works, though…
“Just looking at the skills part of it, I guess it’s easy to say he wasn’t up to where he was, but he hadn’t played in half a year,” Rantz said.
“To [Grudzielanek’s] credit, he came in in pretty good shape because he continued to work out,” [Gardenhire said].
Sounds like the minor league director made the call; Gardenhire didn’t know anything about it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I mean though.
His ‘skills’ weren’t sharp because he hadn’t played in so long. It doesn’t mean he couldn’t be worth it again if given enough time to come around (like at spring training), but he certainly wasn’t ready (or so it seems).
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Aug 15, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahh, gotcha
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't aware that the AK move had anything to do with improvement to the team.
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Aug 15, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
since june 1st, kennedy has a .662 OPS (with a .297 OBP). And he’s basically equivalent to skip at second base, by UZR/150.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Aug 15, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting.
Either way, I hope we don’t forget what Skip did this year. I still can’t wrap my head around it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take a break
and watch this. you will enjoy.
by ridgesee on Aug 15, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OT
C Yadier Molina stole his seventh base in eight tries—and without a throw. The slow-running Molina ranks third on the club in steals behind 1B Albert Pujols with 11 and SS Brendan Ryan with nine. The club record for steals by a catcher is nine by Tim McCarver (1966) and Tom Pagnozzi (1991).
……..pegacorns.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WHEELS!
but really, yadi is just a smart baserunner (most of the time). being a catcher really helps him notice when a pitcher a sleeping which allows him to essentially take a free base.
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 15, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the downside, of course, is what are all the other baserunners doing...
that Yadier Molina is third on the team in SBs.
On the replay of the clip, you could see David Eckstein behind Yadi, grinning wryly.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha yeah, i remember one of them giving the other a slap on the ass after it happened
other than pujols and molina, i don’t see a lot of other cardinals baserunners paying attention to stuff like that. seems like the team could run a lot more if they all paid attention to the pitchers like pujols and molina do. especially rasmus, he seems to run at the most obvious of times but seems to have no interest in running any other time.
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 15, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think Rasmus's heel
has kept him from attempting more steals.
by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but that doesn't explain why he still tries to run at the most obvious times
if he’s got a bad heel, than he’s got a bad heel and shouldn’t run at all. but if that heel is okay, then he needs to be running a little more.
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 15, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those obvious times you talk about are almost certainly called from the bench.
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by The_teague on Aug 15, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Rasmus' heel is overplayed
How in the world could he run as fast as he has been for the last 2 weeks if his heel is still a big problem (and the kid has been FLYING!)?
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 15, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
watching the kid run from first to third on a basehit makes it seem like his heel is just fine.
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 15, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think it has been bothering him in lately
Just commenting on why he hasn’t ran that much this year.
by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why don't Yadi and Albert hold a clinic or something?
…we do have guys on the team who are faster than them. Right? ….right?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
negative
boog and raz are slow as hell.
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 15, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
[lone tear]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The lack of stolen bases
from this team is frustrating, considering we have at least two players (Rasmus and Ryan), who have excellent speed, but I think it has far more to do with the managerial philosophy than the players themselves not taking the chance. Rasmus has batted quite a bit in the second spot in the order, and Ryan has batted mostly at the top or bottom of the order. Whenever either player is on base, you’re typically looking at the batters being some combination of Albert and Ludwick, with Holliday recently thrown into the mix. Rightly or wrongly, Tony doesn’t like to run ahead of Albert, seeing those baserunners as too valuable. (And he’s probably right, to be honest.) Neither player is going anywhere, simply because you don’t want to make an out on the basepaths with your big bats up. It’s the reason the traditional thinking of using speed at the top of the lineup makes a whole lot less sense than we’ve all been led to believe over the years.
It’s also the reason I like Colby down in the 6th spot in the lineup long term. He gets to clean up all the leftover baserunners from the middle of the order gauntlet, and once on base, he can use his speed to be creative, without risking making an out with one of the big bats up. If he can get himself into scoring position, any hit from the 7-8-9 guys will score him; if he does get caught, it doesn’t hurt so much with the weaker bats up.
I've made a huge tiny mistake.
by the red baron on Aug 15, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's that frustrating, unless you're the Cards owner in a dynasty league.
SB’s are exciting but they just aren’t that valuable.
15=/=25
by hazel on Aug 15, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's frustrating,
despite the low value of stolen bases in general, to see an element of the game this team actually has the ability to take advantage of ignored in such a manner. Is it a huge deal? No. But every single advantage, no matter how small, does in fact have value. This team could gain that advantage, but the choice is made not to. I find it mildly frustrating.
I've made a huge tiny mistake.
by the red baron on Aug 15, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bacon Pegacorn
Philles announcers about Toronto:
"Well they go out West after this series, this weekend, against the Tampa Bay Rays"
by RiverRat on Aug 15, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's... so beautiful
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 15, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is this possible?
Albert and Yadi run like they are in quicksand. If they can steal 10 a year, everyone should be. Just goes to show you that if you pay attention you can make things happen. Great stuff
Just win
by The Duke on Aug 15, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about Yadi, but doesn't Albert often get really great jumps?
Maybe some of the faster guys aren’t very good at reading the pitcher. (From what Shannon said I gather Yadi had a huge jump on his SB last night.)
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 15, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Yadi to get a SB, he'd HAVE to have a huge jump
Unless the pitch knocked the catcher unconscious or something
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
by bmorgan on Aug 15, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did
he basically took off too early but the pitcher didn’t notice/hear everyone yelling and went ahead with his pitch. Yadi was between 1/2 and 2/3 of the way to second when the pitch was delivered.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 15, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
zapgrab
In case you need to steal a piece of a chart from someone else again in the near future:
Lets you copy a piece of your screen to your clipboard and then paste it into word or paint or whatever you use.
by dugmartsch on Aug 15, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Skip can continue to improve
No matter what happens with him, though, Skip has gained worlds of respect from me. I don’t imagine many professional athletes would take a position switch quite as well as Skip has, especially the first year after finally establishing himself as a regular in the outfield.
Skip didn’t complain, he just took his new assignment and worked his butt off to get better and better at second. At the beginning of the season, I (along with many others) was pretty sure they were going to give up on Skip at second. Not only have they not done that, they’ve all but quit putting in a defensive replacement for Skip at the end of games as Skip has improved according to the numbers and according to my personal observation. I really think if Skip plays second next year, there’s a chance that he could be a little better still. I don’t think he’ll ever be a plus defender, but I do think there is a chance he can be just below average with the glove.
The thought that I have is that the season is over. And that everybody in the game; a fan, a coach, a player, a manager, front office, scouts...surrender. They say, "that's enough," especially after a game like this. But then Christmas comes, New Years, contracts are signed, trades are made, free agents are signed; and then baseball, like the rose beneath the April snow will force it's way to the front again. And we'll have the fever once more.
-Jack
by Jack618 on Aug 15, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But skip is not the kind of player
that will be content with just below average. He’ll end up average or better.
by ridgesee on Aug 15, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes a physical skillset can limit how your potential
Which is why I’m not playing sports and making money. Also why Schu will probably never be a great defender.
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Aug 15, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMHO you've got it backwards
Skip’s a pretty good all-round athlete. What he lacks at 2nd is experience, drilling, reflexes. He can acquire that. The physical tools are what you more or less have to be born with.
(Whenever I’ve had a chance to watch this season, Skip’s looked passable at 2nd. FWIW.)
by nota bene on Aug 15, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see any great shortcommings
in Skip’s skill set. He runs he throws and he hits. What more do you want.
by ridgesee on Aug 15, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bacon.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well so does Thurston
and just about every other baseball player.
(Ending snarkiness after this post)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Aug 15, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well the difference with Joe is
that he runs but he has no idea when to run or where
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring" -Rogers Hornsby
by stlwcards on Aug 15, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need to get signs
Like they did in Forest Gump.
by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
>500 ops vs. lefties?
seriously, skip is useful to the extent that TLR platoons him with Lugo. He’s gotten 80 some at bats against lefties this year, that’s 80 too many.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of those came
when Boog and Greene were out. Not to many other choices to go at 2nd.
by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thurston?!?!?!!!
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 15, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Usually I like to get in the
mind of my opponent, but I don’t think it’s wise to talk smack to a guy with a bat in his hand.
~ Shaq
Philles announcers about Toronto:
"Well they go out West after this series, this weekend, against the Tampa Bay Rays"
by RiverRat on Aug 15, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Going into the season I honestly thought Skip would be around negative 25 to 30 runs on defense
If he got enough innings. I based this on performances from other OFer’s switching to the middle infield. Even looked at how Mike Shannon took his transformation from OF to 3B. All of them pointed to the same thing. It was going to be bad, Real bad.
Skip has been a pleasant surprise this season. You almost never hear anyone complain anymore about Skip’s defense anymore on this site. Which is a testament to his improvement
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 15, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a testament to Skip for sure,
and a huge testament to the Secret Weapon as an infield instructor. I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t get some really good managing offers this offseason.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 15, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like the birds will have to win tonight to keep it 4.5 up
Hells bells the Pirates blow.
by cloistermaximus on Aug 15, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
freakin worthless team...
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
think about how good they would be if they actually had all their players too...
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 15, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That just shows how terrible they currently are...
if Gorzelanny, Snell, Morgan, Wilson, Sanchez, and LaRoche drastically improve the team, it’s gotta be a pretty bad squad.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs play the Pirates 7 more times after today
and I think we can pretty much count on those being 7 more easy wins for the Cubs….not to mention they also get to feast on the Nationals, Reds and Brewers (a team they own and beat on).
Hate to say it but don’t count the Cubs out yet. I still really like our chances but we can’t afford to go on one of those 6-7 game loosing streaks like we have in September the past couple of years.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
by KYCards on Aug 15, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here comes the comeback...
Marmol will walk at least two this inning.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are jets flying over Wrigley
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 15, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're practicing for the razing.
Air Show practice.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009 air show on the lakefront...
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So much for that...
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we play the Brewers for three series
I’m gonna keep saying that. And keep taking an antacid every time I do.
More padding more padding more padding, let’s go August…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup The Brewers are going to be the team that decides our fate
I believe. They can play spoiler in both ways by sucking against the Cubs and by playing us tough (like they have the past couple of years.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
by KYCards on Aug 15, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've got 31 left against...
SD, WASH, PIT, HOU, MIL, and CIN. No excuse not to win a bunch of those.
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by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Cardinals go
22-23 for the rest of the year the Cubs will have to go 28-20 to tie us.
If the Cardinals can go 24-21; which is just 3 games above .500 for the rest of the way against a very favorable schedule; the Cubs will have to go 30-18 to tie us. That would be 12 games over .500 for the rest of the way.
It is possible for the Cubs to catch us. But they have to play some really good baseball from here on out or have the Cardinals fall apart. And I just don’t see us falling apart with Carpenter, Wainwright, Pujols and Holliday leading the way.
by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we can take 2 out of 3 against the Cubs
Sept. 18-20 at Busch I think we can start to celebrate. That will be a big series that can either put them out for good or give them a momentum.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
by KYCards on Aug 15, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This next week is key...
If Lilly and Z can’t be effective they’ll be in real trouble.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
reply below, kinda.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say this about the Cubs series IF we are still up on them by a couple of games.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
by KYCards on Aug 15, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just watch the Nationals play spoiler.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we go 24-21 the rest of the way, we'd finish at 89-73 (right?)
Good shape for the Wild Card even if the Cubs went bonkers the rest of the way out
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 15, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
The Rockies are a half game behind us on that one and I’d venture to say if we go 24-21 they’d pass us.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 15, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said good shape, not necessarily a lock
If we finish 89-73 in this division, and don’t win the division OR the wild card, I’ll consider it a fluke (given the standings at this point)
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 16, 2009 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we go 24-21 we deserve to miss the playoffs
our schedule is pretty soft-moist and yumminly delicious Cake.
Honestly I think we should be able to go at least 25-20 or 26-19.
by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm feeling a Gregg meltdown...
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by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
boom...
come on McClutcheon.
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by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
er moss I mean...
ah well. Rooting for the Bucs isn’t much fun…
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by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
imange
if you had to do that on a daily bases.
by Evilfrog on Aug 15, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd probably end up babbling..
nonsensically about “circles of dysfunction” and other abstruse constructs:
http://bucco-blog.com/2009/08/15/its-time-for-solidification/
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by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
checking my rough scheduling spreadsheet... Spoiler Alert!
The Cubs have a slightly easier schedule from here on out, based on winning percentages of opponents. Cards’ opponents average .4799 and the Cubs are facing .4716 — but that could all be explained by L.A., whom we have a good chance against.
The stretch ‘officially’ begins on August 31st.
Set the Tone
31st – 3rd: Brewers v. Cards; Astros v. Cubs, plus one last Chicago v. Chicago
Pick Up a Few?
4th – 10th: Cards @ Pirates, Cards @ Brewers; Cubs @ Mets, Cubs @ Pirates
Cubs Up or Down
11th – 17th: Braves v. Cards, Marlins v. Cards; Reds v. Cubs, Brewers v. Cubs (4)
The Climax
18th – 23rd: Cubs vs. Cards — Cards @ Astros; Cubs @ Brewers
Wild Card Spoilers
24th – 28th: Cards @ Rockies; Cubs @ Giants (4)
Last Chance…
29th – 1st: Cards @ Reds; Pirates v. Cubs
Home, Stretch
2nd – 4th: Brewers v. Cards; Arizona v. Cubs
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers are going to play a HUGE factor
Let’s just hope they actually show up against the Cubs for once.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
by KYCards on Aug 15, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Most of the summer, I’ve been thinking, screw the cubs… it’s the brew crew we need to beat.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your the stretch begins at August 31st
Meanwhile we are 6 or 7 games up by that time. We have an easy schedule and Cub’s have a hard one.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 15, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
That’s why I’m not taking the soft schedule for granted. Next to “Stay Healthy OMG!”, we need those wins for padding. Like ants. Or… something fabled like that.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What troubles me are the games we have against the 'stros
They suck, but like the pirates always seem to find a way to beat us. Especially games at the amusement park in Houston.
by cloistermaximus on Aug 15, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swear that "park" beats us more than the Stros.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am pre-gaming at my hotel before VEB Day
Already pretty drunk
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 15, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent...
I’ll expect Headly to get a nice shower at some point tonight.
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by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can't pee that far
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 15, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blech, wish I could go to this
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 15, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
was in STL last weekend instead. But I got to be a “surprise present” for my niece’s 5th birthday, which in itself was really cool.
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
by TNTinCO on Aug 15, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Matt Leach:
Saturday lineups; tidbits to follow
Cardinals Saturday lineup vs RHP Tim Stauffer:
1. Schumaker 2B
2. Rasmus CF
3. Pujols 1B
4. Holliday LF
5. Ludwick RF
6. DeRosa 3B
7. Molina C
8. Lugo SS
9. Pineiro P
Padres lineup:
1. Cabrera SS
2. Eckstein 2B
3. Gonzalez 1B
4. Headley LF
5. Kouzmanoff 3B
6. Venable CF
7. Blanks RF
8. Hundley C
9. Stauffer P
-M.
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by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Surprised Lugo got the start with Pineiro pitching
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 15, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Is he the personal shortstop or something? Second time.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His hateful stare causes all balls hit to be so afraid they submit to being ground balls
You REALLY don’t want to make Lugo angry. It’s the kind of hate that lasts generations.
by cloistermaximus on Aug 15, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
[hides]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't hide.
The Lugo will find you. And he will hurt you.
by cloistermaximus on Aug 15, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
even that little close-up on the lightboard is scary.
The eyes… they follow you.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:O
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nightmares
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 16, 2009 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that strikes me as a bad
Decision unless boog’s ankle is really barking.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 15, 2009 5:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
AVENGE BOOG
but other than that, I like this lineup.
Sponsored by Slick-Rick 'Stache Cream
by The_teague on Aug 15, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
walk-off grandslam for Massachusetts over Rhode Island
They’re going to Williamsport!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Little League should be outlawed
Kids should be playing on at least 75-foot diamonds after T-ball
by olddomination on Aug 15, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stauffer was the 4th overall pick in 2003...
and he seems to be pulling it together.
The Pads could have some nice young pitching pretty soon… Latos, Stauffer, Richard, Poreda. Plus their payroll has gone from $73 million in 2008 to a projected $20 million (or so) for 2010. They should be players for Holliday, Lackey, and some high risk/high reward plays like Webb and Bedard.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There's a book about Stauffer
called “The Last Best League.” It’s not just about Stauffer; it’s about an entire season of the Chatham A’s in the Cape Cod League, but it’s a great book. Stauffer was the ace of the staff. The catcher was Chris Iannetta (of the Rockies now)… I’d recommend it.
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
by bmorgan on Aug 15, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
friend just said David Wright HBP to the head
“It looked like his helmet got knocked off.”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AA says
“hit him square on the side of the helmet”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
under his own power, but AA says unsteady
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain came to bat...
the next inning, and didn’t even get one in the ribs.
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by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
possibly it just got away from him?
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 15, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Thompson's gonna kick a puppy if there are no suspensions.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not the one he kissed last night, I hope.
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 15, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is he puppyfrencher now?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is, and they really need to get the picture of that online
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 15, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I'm sure that was the case...
still, there used to be a consequence for letting one get away from you.
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by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
but I think sometimes this is how things stumble out of control.
I just think retaliation should be reserved for those who deserve it.
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 15, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in one of the few useful BBTN pieces
They went through the list of incidents and their punishment.
It seemed like the pitchers who admitted they did it intentionally…. were not punished (or as severely). Good job, MLB.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain or Sandoval deserve one in the ribs...
the Mets are already down Reyes, Delgado, and Beltran. Now Cain’s mistake removes their last decent position player. Not surprisingly, they have two hits in the game and are losing in the sixth inning. I would absolutely try to even the score…
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by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
way to kick them when they're down.
It’s like the Mets turned right and ended up at the cage match instead of the stadium.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That 02 draft
was amazing, picks 15-25 started with Kazmir and included Blanton, Cain, Guthrie, and Hamels.
by TomCat009 on Aug 15, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can pretty much guarantee that...
Hoot would have put one in his ribs for that one
by TomCat009 on Aug 15, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suspend Cain
for the rest of the season, and Lincecum for good measure
by TomCat009 on Aug 15, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
weird story about brett myers on mlb.com
Tell me if I’m too suspicious.
Myers has been rehabbing a hip injury. Recently, the phils announced that he had a setback and would miss a rehab start. It wasn’t his hip though. The first story to come up was that he was injured playing catch w/ his son. However, he later told the phils he fell getting out of his truck.
Now,falling getting out of your truck might be a little embarrassing, but not something I would be reluctant to tell my club (Junior alone has about three dumber stories of accidental injury, and it doesn’t rank with other players’ injury stories, like X-Box finger).
So, what’s the real story? Did he just have a fall and not want to admit to it? Did he fall while drunk and deny the fall b/c he didn’t want to admit he was drunk? Did he get in a fight (one has to recall his famous domestic abuse incident)?
This guy has Character Issues tattooed on his forehead. He may be an okay pitcher, but I hope the club stays away from him in the off-season. We may need a FA pitcher, but I don’t think we need myers.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 15, 2009 6:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
somehow neglected to mention
That the area he injured was his eye. That us part of what makes me suspicious. Obviously, a common injury from a fight. Not a common one from a fall, since your reflexes tend to cause you to protect your head. Unless your reflexes are chemically dulled . . . .
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 15, 2009 6:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he just knew his arm was more important than his head and used his face to shield his arm?
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 16, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want Myers, either.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 15, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...imagine him + Lugo.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Srsly.
Hide all the women. Or arm them.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 15, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
Arm them, I say. Let them get a little revenge and satisfaction. That’ll teach those guys to mess with the girls.
How are you feeling today spants? I saw yesterday that your back was bothering you, sorry to hear that .
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 15, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for asking.
I went as long as I could without the muscle relaxer. But, it’s helping some. Makes me hopeful that it’s a strain and not a spine injury. Hopefully I’ll find out Monday.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 15, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to hear that.
I have a chronic muscle memory problem that pinches three vertebrae together. Hurts like a bitch, but atleast it’s not a spine problem. So I feel for ya. Have a Franklin they work wonders.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 15, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vertebrates are on your spine!
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 15, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA
Yeah, but not a disc problem. Nothing that can’t be stretched out and popped into place.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 15, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically,
Vertebrae are the spine.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 15, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weird.
I’ve never heard of that. Sounds painful for sure.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 15, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly,
It ain’t no thang. Out of all the stuff that it could have been, I will take it and be happy. It’s mostly from repetitive motion, like baling hay from the time I could pick it up. No biggie, just something you learn to deal with. Just twists up from time to time and you gotta stretch it back out.
Here’s to hoping that your’s is no worse.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 15, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lidge just threw away the win.
Literally.
Wow, when did we last face him? Did he get APu’d?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Norton walks on four pitches, bases loaded."
Wow.
No outs, Ryan Church up.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Church Ks...
this would be a badass escape…
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
First pitch. Braves win.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm feeling pretty good...
about facing the Phils or Dodgers in October. Hamels and Kershaw don’t worry me too much. Lee on the other hand is going to be tough.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 15, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Lee turns into Superman and pitches everygame,
I think we can handle them.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 15, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd much rather face LA in the postseason than Philly
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 16, 2009 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope they pull it off.
I just don’t like Philly.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 15, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game time
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 15, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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