Game 87 Open Thread -- July 9, 2009
by chuckb on Jul 9, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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St. Louis Cardinals at Milwaukee Brewers, Jul 9, 2009 2:05 PM EDT
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I got flayed alive for that a few games ago...
be careful
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it is ridiculous in a non-Albert way.
Yes I am a girl.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 9, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i had no idea
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a crappy lefty going against the Cards...
of course he does.
by ducttape16 on Jul 9, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it wrong
that I am frightened by a lineup with Counsell and Catalonottioolio in it?
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hope
Pinero has the ole Supersonic, Deluxe, Bad Ass, Sinker working today.
by Iowa on Jul 9, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
all kidding aside
a consistent 91mph low 2 seamer is a pretty great thing to have in your rotation. i like it. lets keep him.
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I said on Future Redbirds
Boggs pitches tonight. He’s not been pitching well but hopefully if he can work well tonight, the Cardinals will consider replacing both Wellemeyer and Thompson with him when we return from the break.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that post was gold. everybody needs to read that between innings.
futureredbirds.net
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 9, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to induce the screaming line drive, Pineiro
Veteran maneuver there.
by mojowo11 on Jul 9, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Piniero hit a little hard that inning
But his pitches looked good for the most part, hopefully he can keep up w/ Parra who apparently has the Cardinals vexed.
by TheBirds on Jul 9, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MIL will hit the ball hard
a few lucky breaks, and its alright, i think
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dirty sanchez?
Nasty like Nas, Batman combined with Method Man
G. Rap hydraulics, supersonics call me Shark Man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 9, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wishful thinking limerick
Joel brings the pain
Raz and Mang and Lud go deep
Untuck that, you turds
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 9, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops - I have no idea why I typed limerick instead of haiku
There once was a poorly thought out post title…
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 9, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a dream last night
I was pitching and the hitter hit a dribbler down the third base line. It rolled way foul but then spun back fair somehow. Mark DeRosa was my third baseman, and he picked it up an inch or two inside the line and threw out the batter, who hadn’t run to first.
The ump called the ball foul. I was pretty mad. It was a pretty crappy call.
That’s it.
What do you think this means?
by mojowo11 on Jul 9, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that the umps suck in general?
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see, i tried to keep that gender/sexual preference neutral
I’m kind of proud of myself
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually doing alright these days
So maybe it means DeRosa needs more sexual encounters?
by mojowo11 on Jul 9, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a metaphor for the DeRosa deal
A good effort, and makes total sense, but ultimately futile.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 9, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let me consult my copy of "The Interpretation of Dreams" by Sigmund Freud.
hmm — “ball in play rolls foul” . . . “fears sexual inadequacy” . . . doesn’t seem right, but that’s what it says.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 9, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know
but probably not as profound as Martin Luther King’s “I have a dream”.
by Iowa on Jul 9, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not as weird as my dream of Larussa and Rasmus getting on a private jet
waving while they were at the top of the stair thing. where the hell were they going
Nasty like Nas, Batman combined with Method Man
G. Rap hydraulics, supersonics call me Shark Man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 9, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't this be Pinata's Gameday photo?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
heh
Nasty like Nas, Batman combined with Method Man
G. Rap hydraulics, supersonics call me Shark Man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 9, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Stavinoha is terrible, Al
I don’t care if he has gotten RBI’s as a PH…he also gets out like it’s the hot new thing.
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 9, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Parra have the runs
last time he pitched against us?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ok how would you know that?
not that i doubt you… but what kind of internet searching would give this result?
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They said it last time
I swear is was here in Milwaukee and they said that he might not pitch long because, well…you know.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow...
so lohse yaks in the dugout in atlanta… and parra had the runs…. interesting
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Parra, who historically has had huge problems with walks
and is just coming back to the majors is pitching and what do we do? Swing at everything.
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Jul 9, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to imagine anyone luckier than Hal McRae
he’s so bad at his job, but has such good job security.
by TheBirds on Jul 9, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ankiel? duncan?
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think job security
is a strong enough word for DunKan’s situation.
by ducttape16 on Jul 9, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
replace duncan with thurston (the human wart our collective asses)
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on*
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but really, and i brought this up somewhere before
what is really the role of a hitting coach at the ML level? mechanics and ability should be pretty well set by this point, so I would think that the mental part/conditioning/approach would be the main role. does anybody know more than me about this?
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it i the level where adjustments are most important
so there is that. I don’t see many (non-crotch) adjustments from Rick Ankiel.
by TheBirds on Jul 9, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe they saw the post from this morning about how crappy they were the first time through the lineup?
and they are just trying to get through it the first time as quick as possible
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't walk your way to the majors...
You drive in a bus… everyone knows this
by ducttape16 on Jul 9, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stavinoha is bad at baseball.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 9, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al's explanation
“Stav is usually in right field, so you never know, maybe the ball came off the bat at a little bit of an angle.”
Killer analysis.
by mojowo11 on Jul 9, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sure after the 25 years of baseball or whatever he's been playing
he’s never seen the ball come off at an angle. maybe he’ll teach that whippersnapper Corby or whatever his name is how to go get a baseball
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Corky
Corky Ramos (pronounced “Ray-Mose” because he’s only a quarter Mexican)
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 9, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for putting that in my brain
now i won’t even be able to say it right for awhile
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's better than me
but again, i’ve been drinking
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you've been drinking again?
Nasty like Nas, Batman combined with Method Man
G. Rap hydraulics, supersonics call me Shark Man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 9, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"again" suggests that the drinking stopped.
i suggest “still.”
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 9, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
its eastern time here
I have an hour on this game
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sweet
Nasty like Nas, Batman combined with Method Man
G. Rap hydraulics, supersonics call me Shark Man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 9, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love that this infield
Is a bunch of recent AAA teammates and a baseball demi-god.
by mojowo11 on Jul 9, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You took the words out of my mouth
and despite that, my other thought was “OK, I like this lineup!”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 9, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in your face GOB!!!!!!
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freddy Sanchez
I know he is owed $8 M next year, but mlbtraderumors says that there are 7 teams that have inquired about Sanchez, 3 of which are the Giants, Rockies and Twins.
Who are the other 4? Are we one?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd love him at 2B every day
Seriously, imagine having the same person at second base every day.
Seems like it’s been, what, since Fernando Vina left?
by mojowo11 on Jul 9, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR has decided everyday players are for lameo managers
He only guarantees first ballot HOFers an every day spot.
by ducttape16 on Jul 9, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rolen
25 game hit streak? Is DiMaggio in trouble?
by Iowa on Jul 9, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When he gets to 40
Dimaggio’s hand will shake while he’s dunking. Otherwise, no.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GOB Dimaggio.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 9, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, but it is striking that he's adjusted from being a HR junkie to hitting for average with a ton
of doubles. he’s now third in the AL for BA IIRC.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 9, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joel looks solid
Lets hope Barden and Hoffpauir brought something.
by OperaCard on Jul 9, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Slurrit with the infield single
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 9, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How is that an error on the 3b
Throw was online, made the play quickly.
by TheBirds on Jul 9, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Halladay going to the Brewers would be very bad for the Cardinals
Obvious I know, but it just dawned on me.
by TheBirds on Jul 9, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright boys...
Time to get the bats going. I’m so tired of seeing no hit bids (admittedly early) each and every time we face a lefty.
Take some freakin’ pitches already.
by goodymobb on Jul 9, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
colby got jobbed there
ATG both called strikes were outside…strike three was way off the plate
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 9, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yikes that might be ATG the worst pitch I've seen called a strike
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 9, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the one to colby
yea it was awful
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 9, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers crappy players counter the Cardinals so well.
While Welley, Thurston, etc do jack squat for us.
by TheBirds on Jul 9, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
logged back in
SBNation, that just gave me time to reload on bourbon
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What's with VEB dying during games
Kinda annoying, if I may say so myself.
by mojowo11 on Jul 9, 2009 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't recall this problem before Ryan Braun
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Invoking his deputy powers against us.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 9, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was annoyed also
Nasty like Nas, Batman combined with Method Man
G. Rap hydraulics, supersonics call me Shark Man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 9, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man
no hit so far by manny freaking parra
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if he is getting 6 inches off the plate called strikes
he may just no-no us
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 9, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im working so i cannot pay that much attention
are they umps that bad again?
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
colby's strikeout was on three pitches
and parra never threw a ball in strik zone…two called strikes were obvious balls ATG…one was a good 6 inches off the plate
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 9, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm feeling 15 innings, and maybe 102 pitches from Jo-El to counter
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like the game a few years ago between mulder and clemens?
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
parra's got a no-hitter going? huh.
imagine that. a no-hitter. have you guys ever heard of a no-hitter? wow. imagine that. manny parra tossing a no-hitter. no-hitter! no-hitter? no-hitter.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 9, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THROW MORE NO-HITTERS
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 9, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
im hoping that the GOB are listening…. yes… we mentioned it
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well pitched games are nice Dan
but I can’t enjoy a game in which the Cards have no hits.
by TheBirds on Jul 9, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well pitched is one thing
but lazy looking hitters are another
Boog for MVP
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn
Brendan Ryan is channeling the spirit of the Wizard
Nasty like Nas, Batman combined with Method Man
G. Rap hydraulics, supersonics call me Shark Man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 9, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
amazing defensive play
you’d have to see it
Nasty like Nas, Batman combined with Method Man
G. Rap hydraulics, supersonics call me Shark Man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 9, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right as I read this
A commercial started:
“HI! This is Ozzie Smith…”
Weird.
by mojowo11 on Jul 9, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome play
hilarious reaction to it by Braun.
by TheBirds on Jul 9, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
el douche
Nasty like Nas, Batman combined with Method Man
G. Rap hydraulics, supersonics call me Shark Man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 9, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
douche king
Nasty like Nas, Batman combined with Method Man
G. Rap hydraulics, supersonics call me Shark Man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 9, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dammit
i just realized that this means that no jo-el for the cubs… sigh… wellemeyer though
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did I mention how
Handsome Manny Parra is. He’s a good looking man.
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
by stlhulsey on Jul 9, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
absolutely dashing
If 4 out of 5 people SUFFER from diarrhea... does that mean that one enjoys it?
by jacksonian on Jul 9, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey u guise
do the Cards have any hits against Parra yet???
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 9, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys
Parra isn’t throwing a no-hitter, he’s throwing a perfect game minus the error.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 9, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Question for those watching FSMW
Is it in 4×3 or 16×9 format? I have MLB EI through DirecTV. It seems like most of the time I get the Cardinals HD feed it is in 4×3 format instead of 16×9. The Brewers HD feed is in 16×9.
by outraged on Jul 9, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well the standard format for HD is 16X9
i don’t think that it can be displayed in 4X3 without looking squished
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
any hd feed should be coming in 16x9
i would double check your settings (tv and your directv box).
....my quick smells like french toast...
by mstreeter06 on Jul 9, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All my settings are correct.
I even get the Brewers HD feed in 16×9, but for some reason the Cardinals HD feed is in 4×3 usually. So I was just curious if everyone else is getting it in 4×3 today (FSMW is actually broadcasting in 4×3) or if DirectTV is messing the ratio up somehow. Odd thing is it doesn’t look squished.
by outraged on Jul 9, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a 4x3 broadcast today.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 9, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how does a guy Stav's size not have power?
I’ll take the single to lead off the inning
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MOLINA DO NOT ROLL OVER FOR A DOUBLE PLAY
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 9, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Has anybody else had a problem accessing this site?
I kept getting an SBNation notice that “Something went wrong”
by mysterui on Jul 9, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah all the SBNation things go down when VEB has been down
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 9, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happened to me too
Seems to be happening to lots of people. I blame El Niño. That, and the housing crisis.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 9, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
SBNATION IS A TERRIBLE SITE
Seriously, though, is it just me or does SBNation sort of set the standard for how any web site should be run? I love this place. And now with them adding mobile commenting and all that. Well done, whoever you are that works behind the scenes.
by mojowo11 on Jul 9, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling
that we might lose a good portion of the community if they figure out who created SBNation…
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
by stlhulsey on Jul 9, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you kidding me?
i’d dominate their face off
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Markos Moulitas
is who created SBNation. A pretty polarizing guy to some
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
by stlhulsey on Jul 9, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i did not know that. interesting.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 9, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
why ruin it for me??? I had no idea.
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Jul 9, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I've experienced problems with them maybe 5 times?
Always temporary glitches like today.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 9, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish Albert would except the
“pitch around” at this delicate developmental time for Ludwick. It looks bad when he is chasing.
by OperaCard on Jul 9, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"delicate developmental time"? you make it sound like i need to have the "talk" with ryan.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 9, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We finally got Hal to shut-up
so watch what you say!!!!!!!!!
by OperaCard on Jul 9, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*plate-appear
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 9, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pffft... I'm tired of you nerds and your fancy-schmancy stats
Go back to your mother’s basement
by mysterui on Jul 9, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but i'm already there.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 9, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you swing at the first pitch so that teams with no bullpens can have their #5 starters go 8.
I mean, since you’re going to get a “pitch to hit” on the first of the AB, it’s not like the pitcher is trying to spot it on a corner, they HAVE to throw you a meatball on 0-0. They will not, and cannot throw another hittable pitch the entire AB.
So it is said by Hal
So it shall be done.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 9, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick message before
servers crash again!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, there is no justice in baseball
an out should not follow that AB.
by TheBirds on Jul 9, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It seems like every time Yadi has one of these long ABs
He always ends up with a hit.
Knock on wood.
by mojowo11 on Jul 9, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was trying to think of what Pineiro's 'stache reminds me of...
…and then the other night the wife busted out Season Four of the The Office on DVDand suddenly it became clear…
From the episode “Branch Wars”
I literally said “there’s Joel Pineiro!”
Anyway I say this because I’m checking out and won’t have a chance to bring it up again today. Go Cards!
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 9, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen it since last time he pitched
but that time it looked a bit like Pat Heely from “There’s Something About Mary”
by mattyp on Jul 9, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is that not a balk
his foot left the rubber before he threw home.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, GOB.
Seriously. Manny f^%$ing Parra! Seriously!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 9, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don't understand how one team can look so completely inept against left handed pitching
by ducttape16 on Jul 9, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well your choices for the lineup are Ank/Dunc or the Memphis Redbirds.
by TheBirds on Jul 9, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to the entire season...
It’s just getting embarrassing.
by ducttape16 on Jul 9, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think at this point
it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. They’ve been told that they suck against left-handers, so they go out and play like it.
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
by stlhulsey on Jul 9, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really is just absurd...
and it’s been this way for several years.
Oh, and Brian Barden probably shouldn’t be in the majors.
by goodymobb on Jul 9, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Piniero has a higher average than Wainwright
by paposse on Jul 9, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he had to have done some sort of deal with the devil at the crossroads.
all right, i’ll buy that maybe he learned dave duncan’s supermega2-seamsinkergyrofastballofdeath, but learning to hit in the off-season too?
i call paranormal shenanigans.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 9, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's been said over and over...but I HATE our hitting philosophy.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 9, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Swing early swing often
how is that not a philosophy?
by ducttape16 on Jul 9, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No wonder we're sucking
That’s a modified Chicago philosophy.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 9, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's definitely a philosophy...just a completely bankrupt one with no efficacy upon application.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 9, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
joel comes through!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 9, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1-0 is a ballgame? in the fifth?
so, you’re more of a “glass-half-empty-and-probably-going-to-get-knocked-off-the table-and-shatter-into-a-million-pieces-because-it’s-worthless-and-stupid” kind of guy.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 9, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
look up the numbers when the other team scores first
or look up the numbers vs LHP. it’s not pretty.
or you could turn your sarcasm alert up. it might be broken
by kalmavet on Jul 9, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mozeliak and LaRussa should be tried at the Hague
For crimes against humanity for how they are wasting Pujols’ prime of primes.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 9, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does this offense have to be so bad
It’s one friggen run and it feels like 10.
by TheBirds on Jul 9, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the offense is bad in general
but especially tough to watch vs LHP, as chuck posted about today.
said Lefty need not be any good to shut us out. It’d be one thing to lose to a great Lefty, but it’s manny parra. ugh
by kalmavet on Jul 9, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
al just needs to shut the fuck up
....my quick smells like french toast...
by mstreeter06 on Jul 9, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Piniero gets some crappy run support.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jul 9, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
come on top of order
lets put up a 3-spot
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 9, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One thing I like about facing the Brewers is that they really half ass it in the field.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 9, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well it's hard to run with the shirts tucked in...
by ducttape16 on Jul 9, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially you have skin-tight Ed Hardy knockoffs underneath your uniform
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 9, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rasmus is gettin worked by the curve
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 9, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AnKielesque
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 9, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Al just say
“you’d almost like to see something happen with this offense”? What the hell does that even mean?
by ducttape16 on Jul 9, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Colby's gotta swing now
Since he knows everything will be called a strike anyway.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 9, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More like Corky today.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 9, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"You'd almost like to see something happen with this offense"
- Al.
That. Is. Profound.
Oh, and dancing over at 1B doesn’t do you any good.
by goodymobb on Jul 9, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's not a fucking strike for fucks sake
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 9, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I missed something I guess
Apologies in advance, but what does ATG stand for?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 9, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, no it wasn't
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 9, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I saw the starting had an ERA of over 7.
But then I saw he was a leftie.
Applying the CLA (Cardinal Lefty Adjustment) I realized that Parra had an effective ERA of 0.00!
I mean seriously how can an offense just be crippled by left handed pitching so much?
by redbird2006 on Jul 9, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, another BS strike.
you can stop hazing the rookie ump.
by TheBirds on Jul 9, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
where was that?
sigh cant get a call today
by FunkeeC on Jul 9, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha
I looked at game day and saw Ryan, Br at first….
And then I thought “what is Ryan Braun doing at first base with the cardinals batting?”
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats two times now for colby
that ball was way off the plate
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 9, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sooo frustrating
what’s he’s supposed to do? it’s not a strike. i guess he’s supposed to foul it off
by kalmavet on Jul 9, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My solution would be to call the umpire a c*cksucker.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 9, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you have to inform him it was a c*cksucker call...
by ducttape16 on Jul 9, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well played, sir.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 9, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like my movie quotes
what can I say.
by ducttape16 on Jul 9, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Affirmative
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 9, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup, so luddy, skip, rasmus
who else among the hitters?
by kalmavet on Jul 9, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barden has one right?
maybe that’s the reason he was called up again…
by ducttape16 on Jul 9, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
was duncan growing one? i know the beard’s gone
by kalmavet on Jul 9, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on day 33
and still don’t have much to show for it
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 9, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm going to
start adding every crappy lefty in fantasy baseball when i see they are facing the cardinals. i can’t lose!
by lopey986 on Jul 9, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In a few weeks we're gonna look like a 19th century team with all these mustaches.
I say they should do a “St. Louis Perfectos” throw-back night when the mustachios are good and ready.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 9, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
As long as we don't have to go back to the All White era
We have the worst white position players in the league.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 9, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good point
Also, on second thought Browns or Brown Stockings would be better. My quick Google Image search tells me that maybe mustaches were out of fashion for the Perfectos year.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 9, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of mustaches...
I think the VEB Day should be mustache-friendly. Team chemistry and all that jazz.
I think it would be pretty ridiculous to see a bunch of VEB-t-shirt-clad folks rocking ’staches at the ballpark and surrounding bars.
by goodymobb on Jul 9, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll do my best, but
I’m not sure I can grow a ‘stache that fast. I’ll need some hormones.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 9, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't have one of those either.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 9, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They make em with straps these days
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 9, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is EXACTLY
how I want to spend my money.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 9, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don't want a "Twelfth Night at the Ballpark" evening?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 9, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Brilliant.
And no.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 9, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, costume 'staches are acceptable
especially in the event that you don’t want to be a woman with a real mustache.
by goodymobb on Jul 9, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sometime in mid-Aug I think...
there was a detailed Fanpost about it but I can’t seem to find it now.
by goodymobb on Jul 9, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aug 15
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jul 9, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is ridiculous
if we do make it to the playoffs and face the dodgers…they are guaranteed two wins with wolf and kershaw going
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 9, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols has a combined 1 HR and 5 2Bs
vs the Brewers the last 2 seasons combined.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Combined
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 9, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Twice
Just piling on
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 9, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny Parra can go play in traffic
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 9, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather see Ryan Braun go 1 on 1 with the Predator.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 9, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
at least they didn't get the You Will Never Hit Lefties curse
Nasty like Nas, Batman combined with Method Man
G. Rap hydraulics, supersonics call me Shark Man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 9, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have given up on the double play
and thrown the ball into Parra’s face.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
9 to Molina
and 18 to every other batter….so probably 27.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 9, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how much better at defense Hoffpauier is than Skip
Nasty like Nas, Batman combined with Method Man
G. Rap hydraulics, supersonics call me Shark Man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 9, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what Pineiro's thinking right now
1 run and thru 6 he’s on the hook for his 10th loss despite having his finest season
by kalmavet on Jul 9, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If only he were a gamer and/or a winner
Then maybe he’s rack up some wins.
by mojowo11 on Jul 9, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's just not grindy enough
he need to channel his inner-aaron-rowand
by kalmavet on Jul 9, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
$8mm instead of $12mm? this is BS
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if he can sue the team for ruining his earnings potential next year...
if I were him I’d try it.
by ducttape16 on Jul 9, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"My teammates suck ass."
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 9, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
piniero needs to jack a dong
looks like the offense isn’t going to help him out today
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 9, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Checking in for good luck.
Because NOT being on VEB apparently isn’t working.
3 notes:
-I’m really starting to like Pineiro
-Parra is making Rasmus look awful
-Is it just me or has Albert done nada against the Brewers this year?
THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!
by stltrav09 on Jul 9, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Strike 3 was a bad call, yes.
but the ump isn’t making him swing at curves in the dirt.
THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!
by stltrav09 on Jul 9, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he is calling everything a strike
then yes, that is making him swing at curves in the dirt.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
swung at it twice, but then layed off it
and was on his way to a good result before the bat was taken out of his hands.
by TheBirds on Jul 9, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gameday says that both of rasmus's strikeouts weren't
so can’t be to awful
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 9, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parra is making Rasmus look unlucky, not awful
Crazy-bad strike zone on the rook.
by mojowo11 on Jul 9, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Rasmus' last at bat
That’s a 3-2 count and an 8 pitch AB
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 9, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in order
1) Pineiro seems to have figured things out with Dunc. I’m a believer for another year or two
2) Ras finally has scouting films on him available to the league now. Don’t get cocky, kid.
3) F the Brewers
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK people
Stop dogging Rasmus today. He’s gotten MFing jobbed on two horrifying backwards K calls. Jobbed.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 9, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he was worth a damn he'd have 2 hits by now
and every day. get him some more broccoli for dinner
by Expatcardfan on Jul 9, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
how do we hang a 4 spot on gallardo
then look like tee-ballers against parra?
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 9, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know, but I'd be up for giving McRae a blanket party as a solution.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 9, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
joined the action late
looks like the ump sucks again
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
by ANDYAK47 on Jul 9, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and we cannot hit
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
by ANDYAK47 on Jul 9, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should get a prize for so concisely summing up this game.
Actually you left out: it sucks to be Piñeiro.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 9, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I wish we could get Rolen back
sigh
Proud sponsor of the Official 2009 StL Cardinal theme song: Reason to Believe
by gocards62 on Jul 9, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are unlucky in that respect
Tight zone for Welley, but the brewers pitcher with poor command gets an ump with a nice wide zone.
by TheBirds on Jul 9, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny effing' Parra...
just coming off the DL, generally sucked all season, and here is is, 6.1 innings of dominance.
I’ve seen this movie before and it just sucks.