Rasmus miscellany
As my name may suggest, I have been looking forward to this season for some time. I am hardly unique in that regard, as Colby Rasmus is likely the most hyped prospect in our system since the guy he replaced in center was snapping 12 to 6 curveballs in Florida (Pujols emerged on the scene so quickly the hype could not possibly keep up with the production). To this point, Rasmus is more than living up to the hype.
I think it's a good time to take a look at where his season, as it stands now, stands up in Cardinal history amongst his peers. By peers, I am looking at hitters 22 years or younger with 250+ plate appearances. Before I even dig into the numbers, it is useful to note that there have only been 40 players in Cardinal history that meet this criterea, and there are 63 seasons amongst these players. Some of the names with duplicate seasons include Simmons, Pujols, Musial, Medwick, Hornsby.
Just filtering it out to this level thins the herd to the point where you are picking from a group whose talent far exceeds your random group of athletes. If you are playing in the majors at 22, you are expected to have a long and productive career, and this was as true during the beginning of the last century as it is now. That being said, let's take a look at where Rasmus stands in some categories amongst these 63 seasons with 250 plate appearances....
Rate stats
BA - Rasmus currently rates 19th at .288. Musial tops the list by hitting .357 in 1943. He appears twice ahead of Rasmus, as does Pujols, Hornsby, Medwick, and Simmons. Templeton (1976), Bill DeLancey (1934), Chick Hafey (1925), Frank Snyder (1915), Jack Smith (1917), Wattie Holm (1924), Hernandez (1976), and McCarver (1963) are also ahead of Rasmus at this point.
OBP - Rasmus rates 23rd at .330. It is pretty much the same cast of characters ahead of him with a handful of exceptions and additions.
SLG - Rasmus rates 6th at .504. Albert Pujols 2001 season leads at .610. He also is ahead of Rasmus with his 2002 season. The others ahead of him are DeLancey's 1934 season, Musial's 1943 season, and Medwick's 1934 season.
ISO - Rasmus rates 4th at .216. Pujols 2001 season leads at .281. Pujols 2002 season and DeLancey's 1934 season are the only other 2 that are better.
OPS+ - Rasmus is 15th at 119.
And a couple counting stats....
Doubles - Rasmus already rates 19th with 19. If he is able to continue this pace and double his output with 38 then he will be 6th behind Musial, 2 Pujols seasons, and 2 Medwick seasons.
Homers - Rasmus already rates 8th with 11. If he can double his output and finish with 22 he will only trail Pujols 2 seasons.
So I think it is safe to say that Rasmus is entering pretty rarified air here. Of course, I chose to do this right in the middle to end of a torrid hot streak so a big disclaimer needs to be stated. Still, it is just as possible we are just witnessing the start of something. Only the next few months will tell for sure. On top of it all, nothing here accounts for plus defense at a premium position either, and this adds substantially to the value he brings.
A few general thoughts crossed my mind when I ran these on B-Ref. First, at the beginning of the year one of the last things I was concerned about is his ability to draw walks. I would have listed it as a top strength. I take a little added optimism in that fact personally, but maybe that is my bias shining through. To my eye, he does not look like he is taking an overly undisciplined approach. He is being very aggressive, but I don't see him chasing pitches way off the plate. I see him going after pitches on the edges - he can improve there and likely will. I also think he will have more opportunity to show this as pitchers start showing a more appropriate level of fear towards his power. Which leads me to my second thought.
I think we sell Rasmus short of his abilities when we cap him as 25-30 HR potential, with strong emphasis on the word potential. He very well may cap out around that level, but I think his potential ceiling is higher than that. With his current performance, he is validating his season in AA a couple years ago. That kind of power, at that age and that level, is virtually unheard of. Last year's season in AAA justifiably altered peoples projections downward, but I think it is just as reasonable to move them back upward based off what we're seeing now. I accept the possibility that this is a flukey hot streak, but I also know that power is almost always the last tool to blossom. We can say whatever we want, but I think it is dangerous for the organization to cap his power potential this early in his career.
After all that, I want to just make one disclaimer. I am not proclaiming him a hall of famer, or anything of the sort simply because he's having a good start at such a young age. This is, of course, just half of one season. He's always shown a great deal of streakiness. The plate appearances are so miniscule in size that he could hit a terrible slump for 2 weeks and drop like a rock in many of these measures. I made a mention to Ankiel above - things can obviously change in a hurry. That all goes without saying, but after taking a look at the numbers and who they compare to I think I needed to say it anyway.
Still, even though it is just a start to a career, it is impressive. As pleased as we all are with Rasmus right now, I think what he is doing to this point is probably even a little bit better than many of us realize given his age.
3 recs |
29 comments
Comments
nice post. it's easy to drink the kool-aid on such a talented guy.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 8, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
especially if it's spiked
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 9, 2009 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HRs
Someone mentioned (I think in last night’s game thread) that it seems like all of his HRs are no-doubters off the bat. According to HitTracker he doesn’t have any “lucky” HRs, and only one “just enough” HR. So 10 of the 11 are “plenty” or “no doubt” HRs (4 and 6, respectively). His average HR distance is 409 feet, which is 23rd in baseball.
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 8, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm somewhat disappointed...
in his low OBP. He actually walked tonight (and I think yesterday), so maybe it will improve, but at .328 it’s below the much hated (by people here) Duncan and tied with the despised Joe Thurston.
by DiscoJer on Jul 8, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Only one of those three is 22 years old, though.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 9, 2009 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colby
has been seeing the ball well lately. Saw him hit two homers in Cincy this past weekend.
TLR: Please start Colby!
by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 8, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree
that 25-30 HRs is conservative. he still looks like a kid compared to almost anyone else on the team and he is hitting moonshots 20 rows deep and blasting balls out of parks into rivers. think if he fills out and has a body similar to ankiel’s. this dude could have some serious power coming.
.280 BA is probably about right. but maybe not with his good batting eye and quick hands
obp will undoubtedly go up once pitchers stop challenging him so much. hall of famer? who knows. his first all star appearance and gold glove aren’t far off, though. i think we’re in for one hell of a career if he stays healthy
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jul 9, 2009 1:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rasmonds
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 9, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
Rasmus=(Edmonds-irritating mannerisms)
Edmonds was a great player for this team, but I would have honestly hated him (not in a murderous sort of way, but in a fan sort of way) if he were, say, a Brave for his prime years. The bat flips, unnecessary basket catches and overzealous dives (which I think he did do some, but not all the time FTR), and the bizarre OMG THAT BALL WAS INSIDE I’M FALLING ACROSS THE BATTERS BOX ZOMG! thing grated my nerves…but it was okay because he was a Cardinal and was their best player or damn close to it from 2000-2005.
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 9, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Generally agree, but
Jimmy Baseball was a fun guy to watch. The mannerisms were there, but there was no questioning the talent.
Oh, and not to quibble, but that guy Pujols was the best player from 2001 onwards. No real comparison.
by JWO on Jul 10, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh there is a real comparison to be made
Pujols was certainly always a better hitter, but you also have to remember that he wasn’t really a great fielder until 2005/6 give or take. He floated around and played a couple of positions respectably but none astonishingly. Edmonds was a really good OFer until about 2007.
Believe it or not, WAR-wise Edmonds was more valuable in 2002 and even 2004 than Pujols. 2004 was Edmonds’ shining season…8.1 WAR that season compared to Albert’s nearly-as-awesome 7.9. So those two seasons I have a hard time saying that Albert was a better player for the Cardinals. But other than that…well yeah Albert was better in 2001, 2003, 2005-7.
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 10, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Addendum
Interestingly enough, in 2002 Edmonds was a +1 run fielder, so his value that season was all bat.
There are also the positional adjustments to keep in mind…in any case if you value WAR, and I think it’s as good as we can do right now, Edmonds was more valuable for a few seasons.
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 10, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
The guy people compare Rasmus to is Grady Sizemore. Admittedly, Grady is a bit off this year, but if Colby manages to crank 25+ homeruns, drive in 80 runs from the two spot, bat .285 and brings ++ fielding, I’ll be a happy man.
Now, if he can only learn how to walk…
by JWO on Jul 10, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he knows how to walk
in 2008 AAA he had a 12.9% BB rate, same rate in 2007 in AA, and 12.6% in A+ in 2006
This year he is down to 5.2% and he has a BB/KK rate of .29 the only professional season he has been below .5 and since his first season his only one below .6. The kid knows how to walk but this year he just hasn’t been.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
by StLHugo on Jul 10, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rasmus Comparison
I think Sizemore is the best comparison of any player in today’s game. Both players have the 5 tools (BA, HR, Fielding, Speed and throwing). Looks at the projections of what Rasmus is on pace for to finish the year and look at Sizemore’s first full years numbers (2005)…the only difference is the SB and Runs dept really. And the SB’s have more to do with the Cards lack of running game and hitting in front of Pujols than it does his speed. Defense they are similiar….both play CF, both has speed, both have good instincts, both have good arms. If Rasmus turns out to be a Sizemore longterm we are in for a real treat. There is no secret I have a man crush on the dude!
by JDizzidy on Jul 10, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROY ROY ROY ROY
This kid is a stud. Cant wait to see what he can do once he learns a few things.
Posted this on another message but, does anyone know how much the Rasmus t-shirts are at Busch? And if they have Rasmus with his number on it?
I would love to get one, and would be willing to give money through PayPal to someone who might be willing to buy one for me.
Ive got a collection going of Prospect t-shirts started with Braun and Lincecum and would love to get different ones from around the league.
by backtocali on Jul 9, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just
get one custom made. It will look better, anyway. The t-shirt jerseys at the stadium have this annoying blue faux-stitching around the numbers.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 9, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can order them
from the mlb shop or majestic.com with any player/number combo you want
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jul 9, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
loved your numbers, MerryC
and I appreciate the work it took.
I may get scoffed at this, but to me (an eyeball fan) Colby compares best to JD Drew (more in a bit). It was the last time my stomach really hurt, when we finally bit the bullet and traded JD away. Had to be done because we couldn’t keep him healthy (and he was, possibly, a low tolerance for pain kinda guy - ie not a ‘gamer’-) and LaRussa had about had it with him. Also, I had, even then had a very good feeling about Wainwright.
Still, I was sad, because Drew hit the WAY I love to see batters at the plate: good balance, very little wasted motion, relatively compact swing… but mostly it was the way the ball just quietly accelerated off the bat… nothing gaudy as it is with most power hitters these days
Rasmus is a close clone of that style/ability {McCann of the Braves is similar)
by the Tewk on Jul 9, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not sure who
put a line through ‘not a gamer’…? It wasn’t me
by the Tewk on Jul 10, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's just an SBNation auto-formatting thing
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 10, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strike-Throughs
If you put these things (-) before and after a word it gets stricken through.
So (-)this(-) minus the parentheses becomes this.
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 11, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, no, no
it’s a conspiracy!
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 11, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was not the second gunman on the grassy knoll
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 11, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or that
Dwight K. Schrute believes the internet will become self aware and take over the world…and he’s never wrong. So this is probably the foot in the door…mysterious strike-throughs on VEB.
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 11, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

by 

















