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St. Louis Cardinals' Matt Holliday prepares to be curtain called into signing a below-market contract in the fourth inning against the Los Angeles Dodgers in a baseball game, Thursday, July 30, 2009, in St. Louis. (AP Photo/Tom Gannam)

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St. Louis Cardinals' Matt Holliday prepares to be curtain called into signing a below-market contract in the fourth inning against the Los Angeles Dodgers in a baseball game, Thursday, July 30, 2009, in St. Louis. (AP Photo/Tom Gannam)

Nobody left but Wellemeyer, and he's not very good; by the twenty-fifth inning of baseball a deep bullpen won't have much left, let alone one that's carrying three long men and was forced, at this point, to deploy the worst one. The real story is Kyle McClellan's continued struggles with control and, more generally, effectiveness. I'll say it again: with the fifth spot in the rotation used more sparingly and no longer manned exclusively by Todd Wellemeyer, this club's problem is depth on the right-hand side of the bullpen, namely not having any of it. 

Should the Cardinals make a trade? I'm not sure there are many more bullets left in that gun, but assuming Holliday is staying past 2009, Daryl Jones for a cost-controlled reliever who doesn't suck or Jon Jay and trinkets for a Dave Weathers type wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. In fact, it might even be better than watching Todd Wellemeyer pitch with runners on base.

But bittersweetness aside, this is a series to feel good about, and by god I'm not going to dwell on this loss, if for no reason other than the fact that yesterday's Wellemeyer-looking-sad picture is already in use. (As someone who has looks at the photo-selector every time I write a post I think I am in a position to say this: Wellemeyer leads the league in head-in-hands AP photos, and it isn't particularly close. For a guy who is sanguine after every start—"Well, I thought my stuff was great, I just threw one bad pitch and those seven runs got in"—he spends a lot of his time in the dugout auditioning to appear in Linkin Park videos.) 

So, with that in mind: three things worth dwelling upon in this series:

Star-divide

1. Batting Around

When I think of batting around, personally, I think of the NBA All-Star Game. That's a terrible lead-in, because I honestly have no reason for making that connection; It just has that feel for me, especially in home games. When Schumaker came back up to the plate on the 28th it felt like Shaq was trying to dribble the ball between his legs or something, and everybody, Dodgers, Cardinals, fans, was in on the joke. It's like when a position player comes in to pitch, too, only there's no solemn moralizing from the losing manager and the guy the backup second baseman strikes out. On this team, which has not only acquired an extra all-star but has also suddenly become enjoyable to watch, the connection's even more real to me. 

It wouldn't be defensively advisable, but it's heartening to have, in reserve, the thought that the Cardinals could field a lineup in which the only player who doesn't get on base more than an average NL hitter is Colby Rasmus, who Everybody Knows is a thicker mustache away from being an offensive juggernaut. Even the defensively minded shortstop—out for a few days, if you didn't see it, and spooked enough by his bruise that he, a guy who licks his shoulder before every at-bat, called it gross—is an offensive upgrade from last year's model. 

When was the last time the Cardinals had an offense this prone to turning itself over? Well, would you believe last year? It's hard for me to consider this, because those mid-80s wins/no playoffs teams always seem like long, unrewarding slogs after the fact, but they could get on base—what they lose at second, short, and Matt Holliday they gain at third, Rick Ankiel, and Ryan Ludwick. In fact, the last time the Cardinals weren't in the top five in NL OBP—if this year doesn't count—was 1999, a team that hit well when everybody was hitting well, and also gave Eli Marrero 343 plate appearances with an on-base percentage of .236.

It's a simple diagnosis to come to, but I guess that's why this team has been frustrating in a way that 2008's wasn't, even though they've spent a good portion of the season comfortably in first place—these Cardinals teams haven't pitched, sometimes, and the 2007 squad seemed bound and determined to leave all the home run hitting to Albert Pujols, but they've always gotten on base.

Watching this one do it, after months seemingly devoted to every player on the team having a two week period in which he is not allowed to get on base except by fielder's choice, is making something I've taken for granted as a Cardinals fan a lot sweeter.

2. Rick Ankiel!

I'm going to link the video from yesterday's home run because that swing is the platonic ideal home run for Rick Ankiel; it's the one I imagine when I hear him hit one on the radio. When I was pulling that video up I happened to take a look at his other recent home runs—July 25 in Philadelphia (shut up Ken Rosenthal), July 23 in Washington—and I was surprised to see that the swing each time looked almost identical. (For a prototypical swing, I will admit, even as the biggest Rick Ankiel fan there is, it doesn't happen very often.)

The same is true of their statistics on HitTracker; all three have a true distance over 400 feet, all of them were hit at a considerably higher vertical angle than his usual shot, and all of them would have been a home run at all 30 ballparks. The interesting thing is that he's never been one to hit these Majestic Home Runs; his vertical angle of 31.4 degrees for the home run in Washington was the fourth highest of his career, and at 121 feet its apex was a career high. Most of his home runs, even at his hottest in 2008, were liners, hit below the bottom of what HitTracker calls the usual range; lately, with his new-and-improved swing, there's something different.

And something different is good for a guy who's only got home runs to show for seven percent of his fly balls this year. I'm not saying that this is evidence of something that's going to carry over, or that it's proof his approach really has improved; it's just one more thing that suggests it. And now that he's the fourth outfielder, I'm happy with that.  

3. Mitchell Boggs Day

Wellemeyer losing yesterday's game—sorry, I know I promised—is good news if you're not too strict about that whole means to an end thing. It means that today the Cardinals will live or die, for the first time since it became obvious that something was wrong with Todd Wellemeyer, with their best option on the mound. 

Given the moral victory that that, by itself, entails, all I want is this: more strikeouts than walks; fewer runs than innings pitched. Stay above the Wellemeyer line, basically. 

Oh, while we're at it: fewer runs than Brian Moehler allows. 

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Boog :(

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 7:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whats the diagnosis?

Saw x-rays were negative, any other news?

"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin

by all4tookie on Jul 31, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

none so far

Interesting quote, though. Hard time to be a Dodgers fan.

At the beginning of the year, Cardinals shortstop Brendan Ryan(notes) bought 13 jerseys to get signed by various players. One of them was Ramirez’s. He’d heard Manny was a good guy, a solid teammate. He liked Manny’s larger-than-life persona.

"I’ve never taken steroids and never would," Ryan said, "but I don’t want to pass judgment publicly."

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't buy it

that brendan ryan is a juicer if i ever seen one

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

did you see how his ankle swelled up?

Practically overnight!

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boog :(

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with Todd Wellemeyer in the bullpen

is that he no longer can only cost us one out of every five games, but could potentially cost us many, many more.

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2009 7:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

make him drive the cooler.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

all kidding aside...

… if Boggs has one or two decent starts in a row, why not just DFA Welly? i strongly doubt that TLR will use him in any situation other than the 2nd extra-innings game in a row. hell, he’s 3rd on the RH mop-up-duty depth chart. we barely need a 5th starter anyway, so when Boggs isn’t starting he can basically fill that emergency/extra-innings role.

seriously. there is no point having Welly on the team unless you think that Boggs and Hawksworth and Thompson would all do worse, and nobody thinks that. bring Kinney back up. bring KBot back up. bring Glaus up as a dedicated pinch-hitter. add a third LOOGY (Ostlund and Ring are both doing halfway-decently in Memphis) so Reyes doesn’t have to face Casey Blake in between Ethier and Loney. any of those options have some positive value. right now, Welly has none at all.

i suppose there is another possibility: the team will try to convert him back into a flame-thrower with no command to try to replace Perez.

but that would be silly.

by kindred on Jul 31, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stated a week ago that Wellemeyer

would be of no good in the bullpen. But I don’t deserve any credit. I was just stating what everbody else knew.
He cannot pitch well from the stretch. (not that he’s great from the windup) but I would have rather he’d walked Kemp and pitch from the windup with the bases loaded.

by ridgesee on Jul 31, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

which is why Mo is the only one who can stop this madness.

by demoting him, asap. And if he’s picked up by another team, so be it.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 31, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what video?

am I missing something?

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 31, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

quick question...

… maybe i missed this in the game thread; apologies if that’s true.

Welly got beat, fine, but why pitch to Kemp there? why not IBB him? Ausmus was on deck. sure, Torre could have pinch-hit, but he’d already used Pierre and Loretta. his only other options were Juan Castro or (J.) Russell Martin.

Matt Kemp career OBP/OPS: 352/829 (considerably better this season)
Brad Ausmus career OBP/OPS: 325/670
Juan Castro career OBP/OPS: 271/605
(J.) Russell Martin career OBP/OPS: 373/785 (but struggling this season)

with the game on the line i’d rather face Kemp the least in that spot. so why not IBB him and get a better match-up?

by kindred on Jul 31, 2009 7:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought the same exact thing

when I found out Ausmus was behind him.

I don’t get it either.

by stlfan on Jul 31, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that

and then I thought: Wellemeyer would probably just walk the run in.

He’s lucky that hanging slider didn’t turn into a home run. It was such a fat pitch that Kemp was surprised and couldn’t get a full swing on it. Maybe if he does, he flys out to Holliday?

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by STLRegalia on Jul 31, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around that decision

the only thing I could come up with, is that TLR didn’t trust Welley to pitch with the bases loaded and figured he might walk in a run.

Still though, you don’t pitch to Kemp there, he’s the 2nd best hitter on that team.

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a complaint about our announcers.

I missed most of the inning that Welly pitched, so I don’t know what Dan/Al said about pitching to Kemp in this situation, but there was a spot in the 2nd when they pitched to Kemp with a man on third and one out, and what struck me was that Dan and Al said nothing about the strategy. Here are 2 announcers who have seen Brad Ausmus hit how many times? Hundreds? And knowing full well what an awful hitter he’s always been, and knowing the pitcher was coming up behind him, and yet said not one word about whether walking Kemp might be a good idea. And maybe I was listening more carefully than usual, because earlier in the game I thought it was odd that 1) Yadi would be in the lineup a night after catching 15 innings, and that 2) neither Dan or Al even said a word about that either.

In neither case do I really expect these guys to publically disagree with the manager, but at the same time shouldn’t they at least make a remark or two about those situations? The whole thing made me listen more closely to their call of the game, and it’s pretty remarkable just how much those guys miss.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 31, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they figured Kemp can't be all that good a hitter

After all, he’s batting 8th in the lineup.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

God I hope that's

not true because it would mean these guys are not only not paying attention, but are pretty stupid as well.

I’ve gotten into the habit of watching the opposing team’s announcers lately, and there are some bad ones out there, but in general, Dan ‘n’ Al seem to miss an awful lot of important details in comparison to a lot of the others.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 31, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they did mention Yadi

It was toward the end of the game, they noted that his counter-part wasn’t playing and Yadi was being Yadi. I suppose they expected him to be on a quick hook.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting.

Nice to know it occurred to them eventually.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 31, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

something to the tune of, you can’t keep yadi out of the lineup that he wants to play everyday but that’s not saying martin doesn’t.

Mo, you can trade anything of mine.

by njnick on Jul 31, 2009 11:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Imagine, if you will

that Thom Brennaman is the principal TV broadcaster for the Cardinals. In a wonderful world, he would be.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 31, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The way I understood it

His reasoning was he’d be pinching Welley by having the bases loaded. In other words, he’d try to be too fine to avoid walking the go-ahead run in. I still think walking Kemp is the best idea, but I’m not the manager.

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by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right, as if pitching to kemp was a walk in the park

yet another unwise move by the genius

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by gdm426 on Jul 31, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are all going to be very disgruntled

when this team sends down Hawksworth and keeps Wellemeyer. This is another example of TLR catering to veterans and players that he likes rather than letting the talent level dictate the roster.

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by azruavatar on Jul 31, 2009 8:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i wouldn't be too disgruntled...

… Hawksworth will probably only throw a handful of meaningless innings once a week or two. he’s still at the point in his development where he could benefit a lot from more regular rotation time in Memphis.

i’d still rather DFA Welly and give Hawksworth the role currently occupied by Thompson, but i couldn’t get too worked up over a move that makes at least some sense.

by kindred on Jul 31, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given the almost complete lack of a 5th starter over the rest of the regular season

I’m not sure I see the scenario in which Wellemeyer makes ANY sense. It was one thing at the beginning of the season when he was a little messy and there was still the potential to replicate last year but that’s not really the case anymore. Also, you have to think the Cardinals are going to try a scrap heap pitcher or a kid next year and, if that’s the case, now is the perfect time to audition the kids in some spot starts down the stretch.

Wellemeyer just doesn’t serve a function on this team anymore.

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by azruavatar on Jul 31, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Hawksworth might've just about worked his way into the "4th RH bullpen option" position

that was supposed to be Kinney this year. He’s been fairly good out of the pen and TLR has at least used him (unlike Thompson and the raft of 13th-pitcher options who’ve generally sat scratching their respective butts for most of the year).

It wouldn’t surprise me if we see a bit of the Hawk when we need a guy to soak up an inning or two in a non-blowout situation (e.g. if Kmac’s unavailable and our SP is pulled in the 5th inning) from now on. Or at least, I hope so…

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hawk > Kinney & Welleymeyer

I don’t see how keep them makes ANY sense right now.

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by gocards62 on Jul 31, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinney's already down

It wouldn’t surprise me if it were Wonderbrad to Memphis.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jul 31, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Mo truly controls who's on the roster

Hawksworth won’t be sent down. I don’t understand, still, why we don’t DFA Wellemeyer. He is wasting a roster spot and it seems obvious to everybody that he will add little value to the team going forward this season. I would think Boggs in the rotation and Hawksworth in the bullpen is a given until play dictates change. Also, isn’t it time we call up Royce Ring? He’s been really good all year in AAA and he would really bolster a bruised bullpen

by riotmute on Jul 31, 2009 8:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to nip the Ring thing because

relievers have fluke years like that all the time in AAA. He’s feasting on AAA hitters the same way MLB hitters feast on Ring.

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by azruavatar on Jul 31, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I'm not high on Ring

do we really need THREE LOOGYs?

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would like to nip Ring in the bud.

And following the decision to give the All-Star Game winners home advantage in the world series, I really wanted to nip Bud in the ring.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know about him

But I think he does at least deserve a Sept call up

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by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 31, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What are the economics

of sending down wellemeyer?

by dugmartsch on Jul 31, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

more fans at the ballpark spending more money because they know they won't have to see Welley pitch?

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* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 31, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know I'm excited

to not have to watch him pitch tonight. Almost as excited as I am to see the new offense in person.

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jul 31, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't think it was a fluke year

if Ring were feasting on AAA hitters, because he was so well-regarded a relief prospect a few years back. The thing is, he isn’t feasting on AAA hitters. It’s basically the year he always has in AAA, only with fewer strikeouts and walks.

by DanUpBaby on Jul 31, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

todd screwed the pooch alright

but porkchop set the table for almost inevitable failure by someone

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by sportsman on Jul 31, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rick Ankiel

DanUpBaby, good job as usual. I have to disagree on one point, though. I don’t believe that Rick Ankiel ever changes his swing. I think that lately he must be seeing more pitches in that one spot where he feels comfortable swinging the bat. I looked at those three homers all back to back as well and it was the same swing three times. Pitchers gave him that slightly lower than the belt pitch to hit over the plate and he killed it. (The one in Philly was a little inside, so it just stayed fair; the other two went out to right-center because it was more over the middle.) Notice on his K last night (and others), if a pitcher throws him down in the dirt, middle in, middle away, or high…Ankiel is out.

by stlfan on Jul 31, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's said publicly that he's changed his swing

I mean, if you don’t believe him, that’s fine, but it certain correlates with him starting to hit the ball better.

by mojowo11 on Jul 31, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, cool...

It doesn’t look it to me…but (that being said) I haven’t seen many games lately. I was out of town.

by stlfan on Jul 31, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For what it's worth

I thought the same thing when I watched those videos. But it could just be that I don’t notice things like that as well as some. It just looked like the “Rick Ankiel swing” to me, the only difference was that these swings made contact with a baseball in a live game (couldn’t resist, I still like Rick Ankiel and want him to keep improving).

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What he said he changed

Was that he’s getting lower and using his legs more. Here’s the piece from Goold:

Sometime, perhaps 10 days ago or so, it clicked. Ankiel’s refining and work and experimenting in the batting cage gave way to something that felt right. He lowered his stance, brought his legs back into the swing and stopped, as McRae said, "surging." That’s how McRae describes a hitter who lurches or leaps through his swing, throwing his timing off, his balance off and … well, everything off. "Anytime a hitter is struggling, that can cause you to surge," McRae said. "Trying to do too much, that can cause you to surge. Pushing things, that can cause you to surge. Sometimes trying to get the ball out of the ballpark — that can cause you to surge." McRae suggests one fix: "Relax." Ankiel found another way, too. Using his legs more, lowering his stance and gathering himself in that lower stance. It’s a habit that keeps him from flicking after pitches, keeps his head still and gives him a better sense of the strike zone.
This quote demonstrates a) that Hal McRae really does seem to be as totally useless and full of shit as we all thought (“relax” — great hitting coaching there) and b) that Ankiel may actually have made a meaningful change.

by mojowo11 on Jul 31, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hal McRae is a Charley Lau Protege

While Charley Lau understood the psychology of hitting, he didn’t know diddly about mechanics.

by thepainguy on Jul 31, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a long list of good hitters

HOF types, who were pretty successful with the Lau method though. I agree his mechanics aren’t great and aren’t good for developing power numbers, but as far as controlling the plate and covering the strike zone, it’s a very good method.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But guys like

Wade Boggs certainly subscribed to his theory.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guys like

George Brett, Frank Thomas, and Carlton Fisk were also very successful with it.

It’s not perfect, but nobody’s theory is perfect, you still need talent to make things work.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is

What Brett demonstrates in Lau’s book, and how he actually swung the bat, are two TOTALLY different things.

Lau totally misunderstands the concept of extension and when and why it happens.

He confuses cause and effect.

by thepainguy on Jul 31, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again

his METHOD/MINDSET are very good, he was just poor at coaching execution. I have no argument with what you’re saying, just that the players above took his methods of spray hitting and the mindset behind that theory and were very successful with it.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His stance is different.

His legs are crouched more, and he appears to be positioning his shoulders a little differently.

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by spants on Jul 31, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is the problem really his

swing, or is it a question of when he decides to use it?

I guess I can live with his dedication to swinging as hard as he can all the time, but it’s his pitch recognition that buries him.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 31, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

My thoughts exactly.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FYP
if a pitcher throws him down in the dirt, middle in, middle away, or high… Ankiel is out.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if it's a high leverage situation, and Rick Ankiel comes up

I take a bathroom break. Or make a quesadilla.

Of course, sometimes he K’s so quickly, there’s only time for a quick channel flip.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on!

this pilling on Ankiel all the time is getting absurd. He has his limitations but let’s be reasonable men. Not children.

by ridgesee on Jul 31, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am a reasonable man

who is continually disappointed by Ank’s approach and performance in such situations. We’re not saying he’s a bad guy or eats live kittens, after all. It’s just baseball.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 31, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dead kittens are totally fair game though.

Loved feasting on the ones from Detroit in 2008.

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by all4tookie on Jul 31, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have an idea for you.... Kitten of the Month Club

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by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 31, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't sweat it, Hardcore...

Gibby would claw his way through any cat dumb enough to try to take a bite out of him!

One of my fondest Cardinal memories is sitting behind the plate in the loge section of Busch Memorial Stadium when Gibby struck out Cesar Geronimo for his 3000th K…

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Jul 31, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gibby proceeded to throw high and tight at the gall bladder

And was later sporting a fur coat.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

I'm sorry you don't like my opinion

Ankiel used to be one guy I stopped everything to watch. I’m the kind of fan who stops to watch productive at-bats, even if they end in K’s. That’s not the case with Ank. If that new swing of his sticks, great. He’s reeled me back in. But last night was typical of the performance I’ve come to expect from him, all season. With nobody on base and early in the game, he swung away and got his pitch to hit. Then Joe Torre pretty much did the unthinkable and said, let’s see you swing under this pressure, and just like that he went right back to chopping at balls.

The batting adjustment won’t do any good if he can only execute it in certain situations. Situations that are utterly transparent to the opposing manager. That’s not a limitation. That’s failure to execute. No, I don’t like watching that kind of baseball. (And no, I’m not much enjoying Albert’s slump either, but at least Albert is making adjustments.)

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reasonable people can agree that Ankiel has not been a good baseball player this year

As long as they recognize that he has been better in the past week or so. Reasonable people also understand that a week of good baseball does not reverse 100 games of bad baseball.

Yadi2Second: I laughed out loud at the “or make a quesadilla” comment. No idea why, except that it reminded me of Napoleon Dynamite (“a dang quesadilla!”)

by Ray Lankford on Jul 31, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I almost said "taco"

But that is actually too many steps. I take at least half an inning to assemble a taco. (The way I like it.) If I had said taco, now that would have been mean and hyperbolic.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe not so mean

The longer he’s at bat, the better the at bat, right? Not like last night’s cameo in the 10th. (was it actually 3 pitches, or did it just seem that way?)

Now if you had said “go grab some string cheese,” that would have been mean and hyperbolic.

by Ray Lankford on Jul 31, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like string cheese with Colby

But if I’d gone away from the tv to make a taco, and missed this productive at-bat, I would be a bad fan.

The answer is really to make a taco during the pre-game drivel.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will actually give Ankiel a pass on this one

Kuo was absolutely filthy out there. He was really good at changing speeds. He kept just dialing it up to 93 to 94 with movement. Ankiel never had a chance and Rasmus wouldn’t have either

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 31, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah

I was impressed with Kuo last year.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

Kuo was pitching very, very well, but Ankiel swung at three pitches, none of which were really all that close to being hittable, or even strikes. I would hope Rasmus would at least take one of them. It was a terrible at-bat, even given that the opposing pitcher was dealing.

I've made a huge tiny mistake.

by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

switched to trigun, i see

nice.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arigato.

Felt like it was time for a change.

I've made a huge tiny mistake.

by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bashu de Sutampidu!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Until I clicked on it,

I thought it was this guy:

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Jul 31, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see RB relating to that guy.

I keed.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jul 31, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First two were strikes

Both pitches were high in the zone per game day but still within the box and agree not hittable by Ank. Ludwick’s second and last strike were in the same general place.

Third one was inside and no chance of being hit.

by ubeddie on Jul 31, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Were they really?

Huh. I was watching on television, and both looked well out of the zone. Fair enough.

I've made a huge tiny mistake.

by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

game day if full of shit

don’t trust it, Ank never saw a strike

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Jul 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was my thought, flim flam

Ankiel wasn’t the only one that looked bad Kuo. Most everybody did.

And as far as Ankiel……let see now…..he was 0 for 5…. struck out 4 times….no! No! that wasn’t it. He hit a long home run in the 7th to tie the game against a tough lefty. As effective as LA’s pitching was last night, why is Ankiel the goat, thats all I’m saying.

by ridgesee on Jul 31, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many goats do we get?

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think people are making him the goat

(at least I’m not). But Ankiel does have a penchant for taking terrible at bats in pressure situations late in games. I’m fucking thrilled that he has finally started producing this past week and I hope he keeps it up – we are a MUCH better team when he’s hitting.

by Ray Lankford on Jul 31, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

y'know, this is rather a fascinating war of attrition for LaRussa

Allegedly he pressures Mo into getting him the offensive lineup of his dreams. Possibly to the detriment of replenishing starting pitching and/or right-handed relief.

Torre not only takes advantage of TLR’s penchant for bunting which 1. moves the runner over and 2. makes an extra out… he basically attacks the Lineup With No Holes by finding a hole in it. Torre basically went all Sun Tzu on us and shifted the battlefield to his side.

Which, I predict, will just pressure TLR into putting in guys based on offensive splits, regardless of defense, because next time someone else will find that hole. Doesn’t this put more pressure on the whole lineup? The big bats and the light hitters. All because protection for Albert Pujols is the Most Important Role in the World.

At least, I hope it doesn’t work out this way. Gotta applaud Torre for deftly taking advantage of TLR’s patterns. Lou did it too, in a riskier situation, but this potentially plants the seed for future behavior.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ray Lankford

I agree with you, Ankiel does have a penchant for looking terrible in pressure situations but if you remember the real ( Ray Lankford from whence you took you screen name) used to frustrate everybody as much as Ankiel in key situations.

You do remember Ray Lankford a true all or nothing hitter

by ridgesee on Jul 31, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ridge, that IS the real Ray Lankford....

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ray was the first ballplayer who was "my guy"

I loved Ray, and he’s probably the reason I became a Cards fan and not a Royals fan. Gawd the Cards were terrible in the 90s, but good ole Ray gave me a reason to watch.

Now, I have to say that you’ve confused me, ridgesee. Because Ray may have struggled in pressure situations, I can’t point out that Ankiel does too? I’m really not trying to malign Ankiel or pile on. But neither am I pissed that you said Ray struggled in key situations.

(sorry to disappoint, Monk. I’ll take on his persona in my posts from now on.)

by Ray Lankford on Jul 31, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ray Lankford

May be the most underrated Cardinal in my lifetime. There is no comparison between Lankford and Ankiel. People remember him striking out a lot, and he did, but he actually had a very good eye. He swung and missed quite a bit but he did not offer at balls out of the zone, and he punished the ball more than enough to offset the high number of K’s.

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 31, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mgiht be remembering Ray wrong

but it seemed ray only REALLY struggled in clutch situations late in his career.

Thou shall not malign RAY LANKFORD. He was the only reason to watch the birds there for a long time.

"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 31, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I had 12 years with an OPS+ over 100

Including 4 years where I flirted with 30/30. I could do it all."

[When I just looked up his stats, he only struck out an average of 140 times / year between 1991 – 2001 (his full seasons). I always remember him being a strikeout liability, but 140 / year isn’t horrible – Luddy struck out 146 times last year.]

by Ray Lankford on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He also had an above-average OBP all but two years

He had a streak there of several years with wOBA ranging from ~.360-.400, whereas .360 is about Ankiel’s peak in the majors so far.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey!

I pulled for Ray too back in those lean years. Maybe that’s why I am a little more patient with players in these good years. You have to agree that Lankford could frustrate you a lot at times. I remember him as being streaky as a hitter. I agree his overall stats are better than I remembered.

by ridgesee on Jul 31, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no doubt he was streaky

I always thought Edmonds and Lankford were very similar: they could literally carry a team when they were hot (both offensively and defensively). But man, there were stretches with each of them where you wondered what the hell they were swinging at.

by Ray Lankford on Jul 31, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was the picture

you see in the baseball dictionary when you look up “streaky.” What always amazed me about Ray is how good he was, when you consider that he was behind in the count all the time. I never saw a player start so many ABs at 0-2 or 1-2. He probably rolled out of bed in the morning with 2 strikes on him.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 31, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW!

I would never have guessed that.

I stand more firmly behind my “Don’t malign*** Ray Lankford!” statement!

 * * *that word may not mean what I think it means

"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 31, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course

there’s also this guy, while I’m retiring numbers.

by DanUpBaby on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

66.6 WAR

That might scare people from voting for him. But he’s a surprisingly easy argument for the Hall, based on WAR.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could go for that

if only this guy had played a bit longer for the Cards

"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 31, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if I ever see hee seop choi on the street

well, he’ll probably beat the crap out of me. but I’ll be the instigator.

by DanUpBaby on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kbot called up today?

Calling Khalil

If so, who goes down? Hawk? Thompson? Stav? We can only hope it’s Thursty.

Welley would have to clear waivers and agree to the MiL assignment correct?

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by gocards62 on Jul 31, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that would have to be some nightmare

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Jul 31, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd actually like to keep him through 2009

He’s a Type B (somehow)

Pretty much FML any time Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.

by Cardinals645 on Jul 31, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why? No way you offer him arbitration

"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin

by all4tookie on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

shit.

good point. Damn, totally forgot about that risk.

Pretty much FML any time Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.

by Cardinals645 on Jul 31, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This shit is serious

"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin

by all4tookie on Jul 31, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please be Stav

Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!

by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard Welle say

that if the club needed him to go down then he would. YAAAAAAAY Welle!!! When can you pack you bags son?

 Now if he will actually do it is another matter, maybe even he realizes that he can’t pitch, other than BP.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely off topic, and apropos of nothing,

but I’m sitting here watching VH1 Classic (which is an experience in itself), and the Honeydrippers’ cover of “Sea of Love” was just on (you know, that one from about 1985 with Robert Plant singing), and the weirdest thing: the guy playing the xylophone looks ridiculously like Howard from the Mighty Boosh.

Oh, um, baseball? Uhhh, let’s see. Baseball, baseball… shouldn’t have pinch hit for Colby, Ankiel awful in important situations, no reason to pitch to Matt Kemp (who really should be hitting about fifth for the Dodgers), with Ausmus on deck, and Todd Wellemeyer must go. That about covers it.

Oh, and I’m not at all looking forward to seeing fucking Brian Moehler shut us down again tonight after the Astros bent right over and grabbed their ankles the last three days for the Cubbies.

You can't teach a hammer to love nails.

by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 9:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We're replacing Stav w/Holliday

I already like our chances

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by gocards62 on Jul 31, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously the results sucked

but why not pinch hit Ludwick for Colby against a Lefty reliever?

I’m going to the game tonight, so I’m hoping the Astros haven’t let go of their ankles yet

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jul 31, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because Rasmus>Ankiel

By PH Ludwick for Rasmus instead of Ankiel, at best you only do damage to the OF defense.

But you can also argue that Rasmus is a better hitter than Ankiel, even against lefties.

Pretty much FML any time Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.

by Cardinals645 on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said

it sucked that Ludwick struck out, but in the bottom of the 8th, in a tie game, with a runner on 3rd and 1 out, why wouldn’t you pinch hit with one of your better right handed hitters instead of going with a struggling lefty against a lefty?

it all comes down to execution. Ludwick gets the run in and everyone yells: Sac-fly-wick! Rasmus bats and doesn’t get the run in, everyone wonders why TLR didn’t use Ludwick and it’s brendan ryan ph 2.0.

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jul 31, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only because you'd be better off PH for Ankiel I think

but, you’re right, it’s not a particularly large deal either way. Kuo was dealing anyhow.

Pretty much FML any time Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.

by Cardinals645 on Jul 31, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand the problem with getting a reliever

Not that it frustrates me, but do the Pirates have anyone left and wouldn’t they give us that guy plus 2 others for Wellemeyer?

I need that sig about sarcasm being involved here. Sigh.

by sdrone on Jul 31, 2009 9:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Capps is left

he’s pretty good (although he’s had a bad year) and isn’t a type A or B at the last count (though with a bit of improvement it’s not impossible he might scrape a B). Given his “proven closer” tag I suspect he’d cost a bit more than most decent relievers, plus the additional worry that he’s sucked lately. I’d prolly pass.

They’ve also got John Grabow, who is no more than a glorified LOOGY, as a set-up guy. He’d probably help a little bit, but he’s going to end up a type A/B so they’d be fools to trade him away for less than (say) Boggs or something. Doesn’t hurt to ask though.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard Grabow is a Type A

is that true?

If so, the Cubs fleeced the Bucs.

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody is going to want to pay 2 draft picks for a reliever of Grabow's caliber

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a team with a protected draft pick might

so the Cubs could still get a sandwich + 2nd rounder for him

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This happened with Juan Cruz last year of the DBacks, IIRC

no picks

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by azruavatar on Jul 31, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

I thought if a protected team signed a type A FA there was some compensation

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a deadline, I think

Or he wasn’t offered arb

I really don’t know

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Supplemental round and a second rounder

unless the team signed other A’s liek the Yankees did and just throws everything off.

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They did..

I was strongly advocating for him in the offseason—thought we could pull a Todd Wellemeyer with him for next year, if necessary.

Unfortunately for the Royals who gave up some picks for him, he pulled a Wellemeyer on them to the tune of a 5.21 FIP.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jul 31, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stand corrected

He almost got blackballed into resigning with Arizona though didn’t he?

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by azruavatar on Jul 31, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that I recall

the story I remember was that AZ’s GM had gotten permission from the league to get around the compensatory picks by signing him to a contract on another team’s terms, then trading him for some prospects that would be less valuable than the picks. Cruz’s agent agreed to it so that he wouldn’t have to sit around until the Rule 4 draft.

But Dayton Moore made that deal moot.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jul 31, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you

I was trying to remember the specifics, i knew there was some clause worked out with MLB because nobody was going to sign him and have to give up the picks. Luckily the Royals thought it was a good idea.

by birdo rojo on Jul 31, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah...

but he was doing alright in the setup role and then exploded in the closer role while Soria was out.

Pre-Closer role: 3.32 ERA in 19 IP. .156 BAA/.530 OPS against
Since: 9.13 ERA in 23.1 IP. .309 BAA/.958 OPS against

by stlfan on Jul 31, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

when Pittsburgh’s having a fire sale, the Cubs should always be a part of it.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he's in the middle of the Type A pack

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by all4tookie on Jul 31, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Elais Ranking and a joke a crippling to a reliever

Trevor Miller and Denny Reyes are both borderline Type A free agents. Imagine having to give up your first round pick for Trevor Miller

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 31, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I don’t think a middle reliever should ever be a Type A.

by Toddius on Jul 31, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bah! I always miss these things.

I don’t really think Grabow is a huge piece, for them or us, anyhow. His Elias status is a lot more valuable than his next 2 months of pitching…

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they had ONE lefty reliever

so it should definitely help them out.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Jul 31, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tom Gorzellany too

no telling whether he could put together a good season again.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jul 31, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When did PIT become the Cubs AAA affliliate?

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by gocards62 on Jul 31, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember when

The Cubs called up Aramis Ramirez from AAA Pittsburgh? That’s about when.

by flipthebird on Jul 31, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think they are anymore.

They got some useful players at least from the Cubs.

Don’t forget they have sent players this season off of their major league roster to Atlanta, Seattle, San Francisco, Washington, Boston, and Chicago. I imagine if their was someone there the Cards really wanted they would have been able to get them too.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 31, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I like that they are rebuilding… again. At least, unlike Washington, they are trading their guys that have any value and getting younger. The Sanchez for Alderson move may look VERY good in a few years.

by flipthebird on Jul 31, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ridiculous...

… the Cubs got A-Ram, Lofton, and Randall Simon from Pitt in 2003 for literally nothing at all. and while Simon wasn’t much, he was better than the Cubs next-best option at 1B in 2003 (Eric Karros).

but Lofton was a 4 WAR player in 2003! Ramirez was a 3 WAR player in 2003, and a 4-5 WAR player since! and Pitt got nothing — NOTHING! — for any of them.

scandalous.

by kindred on Jul 31, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO

the Cubs stripped them yesterday.

by ridgesee on Jul 31, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, Little Red Riding Peej. Thrown to the wolves again...

Hey y’all, I need a reality check. Gotten a little better at keeping track of the revolving door in the TLR era, but I’ve lost track of this one.

What’s the deal with PJ Walters? Every time I see him, he’s being thrown to the wolves. Is it true he’s getting [urp] A-Rey’d? What’s Peej’s role down the stretch?

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He isn't any good

so he’s being used in extremely low leverage situations and then, after he sucks, he gets sent down to Memphis.

Atleast A-Rey had an occasional brilliant outing (few and far between)

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's a bit early to say he's no good

I don’t think he’s pitched 20 innings yet this year…

Dude has a devastating change. We just need to find a way to get it into the major leagues as an impact pitch….

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He should be a

right handed middle innings guy. He throws strikes and can get strikeouts with his change-up. Sure, he doesn’t throw hard, but if you bring him in to start innings he could probably at least be effective. If he’s not then he’s really got no place in the big leagues as a pitcher.

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by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the change was overhyped

.the kids been shelled for 6 homeruns in 16 innings pitched. His stuff just isn’t very good.

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His stuff just isn’t very good?

Have you seen his screwball? It’s basically unhittable.

When they call it.

by thepainguy on Jul 31, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say Walters, barring injury

will be a pretty good pitcher in the majors for sombody, someday.

by ridgesee on Jul 31, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

I don’t think it’ll be here, though; for whatever reason, it doesn’t seem as if Duncan and his philosophy value the changeup very much. Really strange, but that seems to be the case.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duncan's gone next year, hopefully.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

They’ll convince PJ to ditch the changeup and learn a 2-seamer or sinker or something. Then his elbow will blow up and OH MY GOD IT’S HAPPENING ALL OVER AGAIN.
OK, maybe not.

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by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

poor little red riding peej.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's hardly thrown the change

what impressed me in his one start vs the Cubs was that his slider actually looks like a nice pitch too, didn’t expect that. but, for one reason or another, he hasn’t used the change that much in the majors…

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Garbage

For whatever reason, LaRue (or maybe Duncan or LaRussa) doesn’t call for his change-up/screwball, which is a plus to plus plus pitch.

I saw Yadi call for 7 in a row, but not LaRue.

I think they are trying to develop his other pitches, but that should be done in the minors.

by thepainguy on Jul 31, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh.....

Walters can always shake off the catcher. And I don’t think TLR/Duncan call pitches. At least, not very often.

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-- Rocky Bridges

by SoonerfanTU on Jul 31, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how long do you think a rookie pitcher stays in the majors by continually shaking off his catcher/coaches?

especially on a Dave Duncan staff

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* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jul 31, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rember when previous pitchers tried this.

They were branded “head cases” and “hard to work with”.

by DriverZn on Jul 31, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

disagree

i’ve seen it called frequently, and i’ve seen it smashed. In both STL and Memphis.

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks guys

I might be more confused now, but this is informative.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last Night's bullpen deployment

Sorry if this was already discussed, but I was travelling yesterday and didn’t see the game last night. Why wasn’t Lohse allowed to start the 7th inning? I see his pitch count was at 92 after 6. With the bullpen heavily used and recently ineffective, why didn’t LaRussa try to squeeze 1 more inning out of Lohse? Did he not have very good stuff last night?

by Handsome B Wonderful on Jul 31, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's what I was wondering

Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!

by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony mentioned

that he looked exhausted after the lost out in the 6th.

by Evilfrog on Jul 31, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I missed the game last night.

And now I’m kicking myself for it. I figured, after winning the first three games of the series and Houston coming to town tomorrow, we’d get a lineup featuring Thurston, Stavinoha, DeRosa at first base, and LaRue. Of course, TLR being far, far more intelligent than me, that didn’t happen.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

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by bgh on Jul 31, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Linkin Park videos

Awesome, Baron, so awesome.
Only now I wonder what horrors you may have inadvertently created? How long is it going to take before we see some YouTube video with clips of Wellemeyer, Vegeta from DragonBall Z, and I dunno, Neo, with “In the End” whining on in the background? You may want to edit that line out before it’s too late, RB.

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by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm flattered you think it was me,

but I’m not posting today. Dan came up with the Linkin Park thing, and I applaud him for it. I also sort of wish I had thought of it first.

You can't teach a hammer to love nails.

by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, wow

Weird. I totally just assumed you had written that because it would such a good fit.

Sorry Dan, my bad! It’s all your fault, not Red Baron.

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by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, to be fair, it does sound a bit like me.

And I am now considering putting together the videos you suggest, except using something a bit more tasteful; perhaps Green Day’s “Time of Your Life” (remember how depressing that video was), or Ben Folds Five’s “Brick.” Ooh, I like that last one. Wellemeyer is indeed a brick this year, and I am, in fact, drowning slowly. Maybe something from Leonard Cohen?

Why are all my good ideas so fucking nerdy?

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd definitely lobby for Brick over that annoying Green Day song that I won't name.

But I was really going for more of an aggressive-whiny vibe, and I think Linkin Park is the perfect fit for that. It’s much easier to laugh at.
If you go and make a video with a Ben Folds song it might actually turn out to be good, and that would sort of defeat the purpose in my opinion.

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by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm. You could be right.

I can never tell where the line is between funny badgood and actual good.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I actually don't think that Green Day song is all that annoying any more.

Now, if you had asked me in late 1998, yeah, I would have hated it. But I head it not too long ago for the first time in about seven or eight years, and it was fairly enjoyable.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, this is just a matter of taste and that's totally cool.

I still like a couple Green Day songs, but I’ve always hated the way the lead singer sings. Overall I’m not a fan of them. I didn’t care for that song when I first heard it and I downright hated it when it became massively overplayed. So it’s not really redeemable for me.

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by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh. Interesting.

Is it the faux British accent? Or just the overall tone?

I can certainly see someone not liking Billy Joe Armstrong’s vocals; they do have a bit of an abrasive quality at times.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's kind of hard to describe

This is going to sound very harsh, but it’s just something that has always bothered me enough to make me not like their music (though there are other things about their music I don’t like).
To me, when he sings he sounds like his tongue is too far forward in his mouth or something. Or like he’s trying to make himself sound dumber than he is. Again, this makes me sound like kind of a jerk, because what do I know, maybe he has a speech impediment or something? I’ve always assumed he doesn’t have to sing the way he does, but chooses to. And I don’t like listening to it.

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by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I understand what you're saying.

And yeah, I hear it. It doesn’t bother me, but I can see how it would some people. Do you hate the Clash too? I only ask because there’s a similar, um, not tone, but the way the words come out at times. I know there’s a term for it, but I don’t recall what it is.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Clash never bothered me like that

Maybe it’s because I know they’re British? Also, quality of songwriting can really make up for something like that, and I just don’t think enough of Green Day’s songs on their own to be able to get over the singing thing. It’s mostly just personal taste, I hope I don’t sound like I’m trying to say Green Day is an Objective Bad Band and People Who Like Them Are (American) Idiots or something.

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by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, not at all.

I’m just always interested in why someone likes or dislikes something. And no, in no way would I ever suggest Billie Joe Armstrong and Joe Strummer were remotely similar songwriters.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all good

I guess it’s obvious, but the song is always going to be the most important thing. A good enough song can overcome some very bad performance issues. However, sometimes things like that get to me so much that it take a real effort for me to give an artist their due.
Waaaaay back when, I was probably in sixth grade or so and I heard Cake’s “The Distance” and thought “who the hell are these guys, why does their singer think he’s some sort of artsy beat poet or something?” Now Cake is one of my favorite bands.
Nasally voices do that to me as well. Luckily a lot of crappy rock music is sung with whiny nasally voices so I’m not a total jerk.

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by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loved

“Cavalcade…” and “Fashion…”, everything after that I just hated.

But good god, did I ever love those first couple records.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean Motorcade? As in Motorcade of Generosity.

But yeah, I can understand that. A good friend of mine has the same problem. Their music got more electronic sounding and less low key, they lost the “underproduced” feeling over time, etc. etc. I still like them, and like Pressure Chief, but I have no idea if they’ve come out with anything after that.

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by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Motorcade, yes.

Sorry. I haven’t listened to it in a long time.

The first time I ever heard “Rock and Roll Lifestyle”, I thought they were they greatest band ever.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

That was my least favorite Cake song for a long time. I thought it was snobbish. I think I kinda missed the point though, at least somewhat.

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by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't feel bad.

I think a lot of people missed the point. Everyone I knew hated hated hated that song. They all went crazy when “Frank Sinatra” came out, and I couldn’t figure out why they liked it and not the first batch.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, you boys and your music.......

I have barely heard of these groups/songs.

But hey, all the cool mama’s are listening to The Jayhawks Anthology, Songs from North Country, and Tift Merritt’s Another Country. And don’t forget John Hiatt’s forgotten gem Walk On. I forgot how much I loved all of my old Jayhawks CD’s and Tift Merritt’s voice is awe inspiring, and John Hiatt has written more songs that make me laugh or cry than anyone alive.

See, that’s what you have to look forward to when you get old…

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 31, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

She sure can

I especially love her voice on the Bramblerose CD-man, it just floats over, under, around and right through the music. Points to you for even knowing who she is.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 31, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for that

I will take all the points I can in case I say something stupid. I was first aware of her because of GAC’s fringe music show. I forget what that was called. Her and Mindy Smith and the Old Crow Medicine Show.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I missed the show

Mindy Smith has a fine voice too. I bought a Christmas CD called A Very Special Acoustic Christmas and Tift had a song on there, and well, I just had to hear more.

On the same CD, Reba McEntire (sp?) sings a version of Silent Night that will melt your hair-and I don’t even like Reba much.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 31, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you like female voices

have you listened to Nickel Creek?
Sara Watkins has a soft voice but it intertwines the music well.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have heard them. She's good.

I love the Thad Cockrell/Cailin Cary Begonias CD too. Anything by Shawn Colvin, Beth Orton, Alison Moorer, Alison Krauss, and gulp, I hate to admit it, but I love the way the Dixie Chicks sing, and I love the voice of that American Idol winner Kelly Clarkson-if only she’d sing some songs I find remotely interesting, I would purchase them. Don’t tell anybody about those last two, um, okay?

I don’t know why, but probably my favorite singer is Lucinda Williams-who doesn’t really have a good voice at all. I guess it’s about lyrics and passion-which come through loud and clear in her songs. Go figure.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 31, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to profess ignorance at

Cockrell/Begonias. Colvin and Moorer are good. Don’t know Orton and yes, I like DC too. No opinion on
Williams. Clarkson? May not be too bad but AI makes me hurl. So I am a little biased.

Allison Krauss is one of my two favorite female singers. The other being Sade. I like Sade because she doesn’t do that mainstream popped-out crap and she only does an album every seven to ten years.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sade's voice is easy on the ears

I do like her too.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tift Merritt isn't bad.

I think I would like her better if there was less music behind her, if that makes any sense.

If you’re a fan of Ms. Merritt, you should check out Kasey Chambers.She does a wonderful version of “Water in the Fuel”, though it’s literally almost impossible to find.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's on The Captain-Bonus Disc

Haven’t found where to get it at though.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 on JH Walk On

And just about everything else by him

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Jul 31, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know most people's favorite is Bring the Family

I love that too, but Walk On is just his best CD from start to finish-lyrically, musically, and vocally. Yeah, his voice is actually quite tolerable on Walk On. If he were an athlete, I’d say he stayed within himself……

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by jillsinmo on Jul 31, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Strummer was from London, I believe

and sang in very strongly accented Estuary English. To my ears, Billy-Joe Armstrong doesn’t, but there may be some similarities in the style, i think. I’m not a GreenDay fan but I suspect he is somewhat influenced by a lot of the late 70s, early 80s british punk/rock groups (Clash, early Stranglers, Buzzcocks etc) that sing in a similar style, perhaps hence some similarities in their pronunciation and stresses they put on words or something.

You see a similar artefact in a lot of British pop and rock singers – many of them draw off the end of words in a very American twang, and indeed basically sing in an American accent.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ooh, Buzzcocks is a better one.

Clash is what came to mind, but the Buzzcocks make a much better comp. Good call.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh. I watched this movie recently...

Link. Starts around the 30 second mark.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loved that movie.

Not as like an all-time favorite, but as a anytime-i-see-it-on-tv-i-watch-it movie.

Pretty much FML any time Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.

by Cardinals645 on Jul 31, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buzzcocks were actually from somewhere near Manchester

Bolton, I think, and as such should have a northern english accent similar to the guys out of Oasis, but I don’t think the singer (forgot his name) actually sings like that at all; you wouldn’t know where he comes from (except England) to listen, I don’t think.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm.

Maybe I’ve got someone else in mind. I may have to get out the iPod and figure out who I’m thinking of in my head with this accent.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it might be the Buzzcocks

I can see the similarity. I was just saying that they don’t sound from where they’re actually from, if you understand. The guy might be similar to Armstrong, I’d probably have to listen to be sure… There’s certainly probably some influence there.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, I see.

And yeah, you’re right, they don’t really sound like Manchester, do they? I always think of what’s his name, Ian something, from the Stone Roses, when I think of Manchester.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brown.

another great band as well. One of THE great debut albums, shame that’s more or less all that John Squire (guitarist) has done of note for 20 years. His next group (The Seahorses) really sucked a dick.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brown, thank you.

And the Roses are the third greatest two album band ever, based entirely on their one good record.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I like you mention the English who sing like American blues singers

it’s the reason the Smiths sound so remarkably English, beyond even those Brits who sing with the accent. He sang without blues inflection, which made his phrasing completely foreign from what we’re used to hearing.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

jarvis cocker, who you mentioned later

is another very distinctive british artist. Pulp’s 90s albums Different Class and His And Hers were superb; very much grounded in a modern, british tradition (as with the Smiths and Clash etc) and not borrowing cultural touchstones from America. As such, really brilliantly done records. He also signs in a distinctive british accent, which is kinda rare outside of folk music in the UK…

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

God I love Pulp.

His and Hers was good, but I thought Different Class and This is Hardcore were much superior. It’s really a shame Hardcore never got the sort of appreciation it deserved; that’s an amazing record.

Oh, and Jarvis Cocker’s greatest lyric: (on the poor quality of a woman’s new relationship) “It’s like a later Tom and Jerry/ When the two of them could talk.”

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I reall like His & Hers

it has a slightly rough-and-ready sound that I like, and it’s a bit less forced in its kinda dirty, working-class imagery and slightly trashy sound than their later records IMO. I don’t really like eurodisco and stuff like that, but some of the more upbeat, widdly, slightly electronicy-sounding songs like Babies are great I think.

Hardcore is a cracker too. A friend of mine is a big fan of We Love Life. It’s a shame the band didn’t last longer, they were around for over a decade with zero success before His and Hers did a bit of business and then they went massive over here with the whole “britpop” scene in about 94. Slightly wierd path to success.

I saw a bit of Cockers recent material on TV the other day but it didn’t do a lot for me (I think it was “Cunts Still Run The World”, great, great song title but it’s a bit of a mediocre song IMO).

I’m a big fan of a few bands from Sheffield, of a similar veign were the sadly departed Babybird http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babybird – “There’s Something Going On” is one of my favourite albums of all time, it’s not a million miles from Pulp stylistically I think…

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the sound of "His & Hers"

is a plus, but to me, Cocker didn’t entirely master his own persona until he sang the first verse of “Pencil Skirt”.

And “We Love Life”, eh. Not bad, but I certainly didn’t think it held up to the previous records.

Unfortunately, Cocker’s solo work isn’t great. He doesn’t seem to remember what made him so great any more.

Have you heard Richard Hawley’s solo stuff? (Former Pulp guitarist) Has an odd, rockabilly sort of thing going on, with this extremely English sensibility. It’s really good, if a bit difficult to get next to at first.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of his bandmates (well, at the very least Russell Senior)

apparently think Cocker disappeared up his own arse around the Hardcore/ Different Class era, which I suppose I could believe.

I think perhaps those are records of their time, and he’s struggled to find a new voice. I suspect he’s maybe also been out of the music business for a while and thus hasn’t always worked with the best people. He moved to France with his French wife for a while, I think he might still live there. It’s perhaps harder to stay relevant outside of a thriving english-speaking music scene.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He may have disappeared up his own ass,

but he sent out the most wonderful musical telegrams from in there.

And it could be being out of the business, but it feels to me as if he just can’t sing the songs he used to any more. Cocker was always at his best when he was sleazy and sad and sneaking out of someone’s bedroom in the middle of the night. Sort of a poetic English version of Glenn Quagmire, really. I’m just not sure a man at the point in life Cocker is now can really delve into that particular vein, and that was his best voice.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm yep that's agreed

songs like “I Spy”, and “Pencil Skirt”, and “FEELING CALLED LOVE”, and “Pink Glove” and stuff….

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

I’m just not sure a middle-aged dude, living in France with his wife, can write the line, “I only come here because I know it makes you sad/ I only do it, ‘cause I know you know it’s bad”.

One of the hazards of satisfaction with life, I suppose.

On the other hand, if he ever goes through a divorce, the resulting record will be fucking EPIC.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As John Lennon once said

“Middle aged white dudes get all the best tunes”. I think. I might be paraphrasing him slightly.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: hawley

No, I’m not aware of any of his stuff. I’ll have to take a look though. I’m a big fan of rockabilly, quite like some of the Stray Cats 80s output and I really love an irish singer/band, Imelda May. Highly recommended debut album Love Tattoo.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check out "Lady's Bridge."

It’s quite good.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He sang without blues inflection, which made his phrasing completely foreign from what we’re used to hearing.

I am a collosal fan of a british rock/folk artist called Richard Thompson, who you may or not be aware of, whose whole career has been a really quite original take on fairly traditional rock music. As a guy who was on the folk music scene for a long time, and has wide-ranging influences, not only does he sing in a distinctive british accent (which to my ear owes more to genres like musichall, rock and musicals than it does to blues or folk), he is a virtuoso guitar player who basically totally ignores the blues.

I’m a big blues fan, but its really refreshing to hear someone whose licks are influenced more by 19th century pipe players, Vaughan Williams, early folk music, medieval stuff, a whole range of influences, but don’t really have anything to do with blues. It’s a great sound, when he gets it working. Lyrically he draws a lot of contemporary images but a lot of the influence is from bygone days too. Really interesting artist.

Ironically, he lives in California now…

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Richard Thompson

Is it the same Richard Thompson of Richard and Linda Thompson? Cause if so, we are soooo on the same page.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, indeed it is.

Absolute genius. Saw him about 2 weeks ago.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly,

I’m only moderately familiar with Thompson’t solo work; it seems pretty wonderful, but a lot of it has escaped me.

On the other hand, “Shoot Out the Lights” is an absolute masterpiece. Incredible.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO his best solo work

although I am in a GREAT minority here in Thompson fans, as a lot don’t like it (slightly muddy, grindy production from Mitchell Froom) is You, Me, Us, a double album with a really powerful, dark electric side and a simply amazing accoustic side. I didn’t like it at first but now I think it’s my favourite record of his. But you can’t go too wrong with much of his recent output.

I think the general feeling is that Mock Tudor and Rumour and Sigh (both of which are also excellent) are his two most accessible and popular albums.

His latest (Sweet Warrior) is very good, but suffers from the “6 good songs, 6 bad songs” thing. Guns are The Tongues and Sunset Song alone are worth the cover price, IMO, so if you’re an iTunes devotee (I still like my CDs personally) they’re a good starting place. I’ll Never Give It Up, 1952 Vincent Black Lightning, Taking My Business Elsewhere, Lotteryland, Hard On Me, Outside of The Inside, Woods of Darney and Put It There Pal would be other songs I’d check out, off the top of my head….

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I'm a vinyl devotee,

which leaves me picking up digital versions on iTunes for portability. (when companies started including downloads with vinyl copies of records, I did a certain something the Lonely Island sing about.)

I’ve got Sigh, and it’s really great, but the other stuff has missed me. I shall certainly take the recommendations to heart.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My brother got one of digital turntables

to start storing his vinyl on his computer, sounds really good without jeopardizing the records.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My GF's dad is interested in getting one of those

I think he has a lot of deleted folk records or something. Sadly, his musical taste is more miss than hit…

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he will be happy with it

as long as he gets a good one. I don’t know if there are any knock-offs on the market but it wouldn’t suprise me.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have one of those too,

but I don’t like the one I bought. It uses a USB port, and the sound quality once you transfer it in is quite poor.

I’m looking at getting a certain type of preamp that you can run straight into a PC sound card; the sound quality is much better, almost that of the original.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What kind is yours?

I’ve heard his cd’s that he has made and they didn’t sound much different to me. You could tell it wasn’t a record but it still was pretty good.

 I will look at the pre-amp, I’ve been wanting to do the same thing to my record collection.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My USB is from Ion Audio,

and my full setup is made by this small company called Rega. Don’t get me wrong, the sound quality wasn’t awful, but it certainly wasn’t anywhere near the quality of an original analog recording. Much too compressed, all top and bottom.

Here’s some info on the whole USB/ Soundcard thing, in case you’re interested.

And I don’t know how much you’re looking to spend, but here’s the site of the company that makes my turntable.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trust me,

I would much rather listen to vinyl. Nothing is so satisfying as putting one of those pizza plates down on the turntable and sitting in an easy chair with your beverage of choice and watch the world go by.

But I really don’t see them putting an in-dash turntable in cars anytime soon, and changing them out in traffic would be a bitch.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've still got an 8 track case

filled with tapes I can’t bear to throw out.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's something very warm

and inviting about the cracks and pops and clear ends to the songs and the album. Then you have to get up and turn it over.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 31, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Try Golden Records software

I use it to convert cassette tapes. Also works on vinyl. Just plug tape deck or turntable to your computer. Also have to get WavePad software to tweak audio files. Total cost about $75

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by gocards62 on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting.

Will it work on reel to reel, as well?

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That I don't know

Here’s the link Golden Records

Proud sponsor of the Official 2009 StL Cardinal theme song: Reason to Believe

by gocards62 on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mirror Blue

is a huge fave of mine, another Froom-produced disc that a lot of fans hate for some reason.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 31, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I like it too. But I’d be hard-pressed to name an RT record I don’t like. I’m not huge on Hand Of Kindness I suppose.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One disk I recommend for newcomers

to RT is a double-live set called TWO-LETTER WORDS, recorded around 1994, I think. RT at the height of his powers, and he goes through material from throughout his career and in many different styles. Folk that will make you cry, and serious rocking-out to boot.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 31, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They split up in the early 80s

and she didn’t release her first solo album until 2 years ago I think – “Fashionably Late”. Serious case of stage fright and possibly being too f’ed up by their US tour in 81 (I think) when their marriage was breaking down but they toured together for financial reasons. Supposedly she took a lot of drugs and basically went totally off the rails.

Richard plays on a few tracks on her new album. A lot of his material in the 80s was about how rotten women were (!), usually written in the 3rd person.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Richard Thompson is the man

“Vincent 52 Black Lightning” still gives me chills. Great writer and fabulous guitar player.

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by floodOfLove on Jul 31, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see angels and

aerials in leather and chrome
coming down from heaven
to carry me home.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 31, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must've heard that song about 1000 times

so I tire of it a little, but it’s an incredible ballad. His guitar breaks on it these days are pretty spell-binding too, I bet he could play it backwards.

A lot of fans love “Beeswing” as much, equally, I think I’ve maybe heard it too much to still absolutely love it but it’s another great one. He tends to write slightly frustrating albums with about 6 astonishing, great songs, and 5 or 6 kinda mediocre ones.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

know what you mean about some great songs, some meh.

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by floodOfLove on Jul 31, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard the Del McCoury Band

do a version of that song that was actually pretty good, but you have to like bluegrass to like it. I know, I know, I am probably about to get hammered for the “bluegrass” thing, but I really don’t care. Bluegrass has some amazing musicians, but most people can’t listen to it.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like bluegrass

although I’m not a huge fan of that version of the song. I’m perhaps jaundiced by the original, which is better IMO. I don’t really know much of Mr McCoury’s music, but to my mind that version is a little too one-paced and well-mannered. I quite like my bluegrass a bit more raucous (almost heading towards Zydeco in pace and frenetic-ness, a word I’ve just invented).

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get your meaning

and looking at it, I can see how you would think that if frenetic-ness is your style. Good word by the way, sometimes the already established words just don’t cut it. Can’t say that I am al that familiar with Zydeco, I know the style but haven’t been exposed to too much of it. Whom do you suggest I listen to, to get a real education in it?

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a huge zydeco afficianado myself

Clifton Chenier is the man who popularised it post-war. I quite like Buckwheat Zydeco, and Clifton’s son, CJ.

If you like the accordian, Rockin’ Dopsie was a great player. But Chenier is probably the name most associated with it.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you sir

I am not as versed in all types of music as I wish to be and I am usually looking for new avenues when I can find them.
This is difficult for a farmboy sometimes. ha.

 Ever heard of Great Big Sea? My fiance got me on to them. They’re gonna be at the Pagent in Oct. We have seats down front for them, completely lucked out on them.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have not

but I just wikipedia’d them, and it sounds like they’re right down my street…

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kewl

I suggest the live cd’s Road Rage and Courage,Patience, & Grit. They are good.

 My fiance said they just blow it out in concert. In Canada, I guess they sell out eveywhere they go.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another RT fan!

+10000 to your comment. I’ve got just about everything he’s ever recorded, and have seen him in concert at least 13 times since the 1980s.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 31, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys have me truly intrigued

about Richard Thompson. I looked him up, I will now not be happy until I give it a listen. Thanks!!! Something else I have to do now! ha

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I posted

somewhere else on this thread, if you’re starting out cold, I suggest “TWO-LETTER WORDS,” a mid-90’s live album, as a good way to understand the whole Thompson experience in one package.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 31, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

please don't compare The Clash & Green Day

that’s just wrong. I actually like Green Day (kind of how I like an occasional Suzie Q or twinkie). But the Clash is a great band.

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by floodOfLove on Jul 31, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

London Calling is perhaps my favourite song ever

certainly in the top 10.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I came to the conclusion that I like Green Day a lot.

Even if the song that shall not be named is rather annoying and my high school classmates chose it as our class song over Fountains of Wayne’s “Prom Theme,” which was my suggestion. Green Day’s career has essentially spanned my listening days. I enjoy the vocals (although they seem to be a bit overproduced these days, don’t you think?).

I love the Clash. They are the only band that matters. The biggest regret of my life was not going to a music festival in London where Joe Strummer and the Mascaleros were performing. I thought, “I’ll be able to see them in America and pay in dollars.” Strummer passed away soon thereafter and I was taught a life lesson.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 31, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My high school class' theme song was "Free Bird"

It was selected over “Baba O’Riley.” I wanted to gouge my eyes out.

Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!

by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what you get for living in the South

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know right

Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!

by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ours was

“I Believe I Can Fly”. I suggested Beck’s “Loser”, and was roundly shouted down.

You got off easy with the Bird.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ours was "Wonderwall"

I don’t really understand why… but it was either that or some Rascal Flatts song

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't Stand So Close To Me by the Police

would be a good choice…

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We got that stupid previously mentioned Green Day song.

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you maybe getting your Clash and your Who a bit muddled?!

Baba O’Riley’s a great song, mind you…

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

I was replying to bgh’s story about his high school class’ song.

I know the difference between the Clash and the Who! You gotta give me more credit than that!

Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!

by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha sorry!

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We didn't have a class song.

I went to a really small all-boys school. Class size was 54. That kind of environment certainly had its advantages (such as: no cheesy “class song”, and the yearbook was basically just a collection of absurd captions and private jokes and innuendo).
You could make an argument that “Whenever, Wherever” by Shakira could be an unofficial class song, but only in its video form. Those were funny times…

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my class was only 24 kids large

stupid private schools

we didn’t have an official song either, because no one could agree on one, and there were way too many different tastes & way too many clicks. but two that were big in my inner circle were dr dre’s & tupac’s “cali love” & spacehog’s “in the meantime”.

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

1/2 page in my school yearbook is dedicated to my friend’s Super Smash Bros. Club (which was more of a group of people that played the game at his house than a club). I think the faculty member in charge of clubs was actually really upset that it got included since it wasn’t a real club.

But yea, all boys private schools. Good times.

Pretty much FML any time Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.

by Cardinals645 on Jul 31, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Green Day has been such a disappointment

Dookie is maybe my favorite album. All the rest of their stuff has been shit.

Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!

by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll just say

No pun intended. Good catch.

Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!

by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

while on the topic of 90's rock

Bush is one of my favorite bands, which leads me to: how is Gavin’s new cd? I’ve only heard the one they play on the radio and can’t ever seem to get it out of my head.

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jul 31, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way, Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" is for me, near the pinnacle of music

Not him singing it, of course. He can’t sing. But the melody, the lyrics… Oy, I love it.

Here’s KD Lang singing it

And here’s a little known band, Over the Rhine, singing it. It’s probably my personal choice for the best version of the song. So…much…emotion…

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hallelujah is wonderful,

but I don’t know it would even crack the top five of Cohen songs for me. Top ten, yes. But five? Probably not.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like "Tonight Will Be Fine"

Cohen, like Dylan, tends to be better sung by others IMO, except some of his earlier work. He bizarrely transmogrified into a lounge singer sometime in the late 70s.

I like Teddy Thompson’s version of Tonight Will Be Fine (there’s a good version on youtube), and John Cale’s version of Hallelujah is, to my mind, the absolutely definitive one. I really don’t like the the Jeff Buckley version that much, though it’s much preferable to the AWFUL Bono and Bon Jovi versions…. I think KD Lang’s might be my second fave.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coincidentally, Dylan did an AWFUL version of Hallelujah

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that was awful.

Actually, the only two covers I know of by Dylan are both painfully terrible. Odd.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, Bob

People cover your stuff, not the other way around. That’s just how it’s supposed to be.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weird, but I generally like the originals better.

Something about that awful voice, straining to hit the notes he wants to sing, is very special to me. The KD Land version is nice, and I actually like the Buckley version, but the three best covers of Cohen songs are all on the “I’m Your Man” tribute record: the Rufus Wainwright version of “Chelsea Hotel”, the Martha Wainwright version of “the Traitor” (the best), and Jarvis Cocker’s version of “I Can’t Forget.”

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

famous blue raincoat.

Please yes.

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by tom s. on Jul 31, 2009 11:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Also a great one,

and a surprisingly good cover by the Handsome Family, as well.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everybody Knows.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jul 31, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concrete Blonde covered that.

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by spants on Jul 31, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

he also does the definitive version of his Velvet Underground partner Lou Reed’s “Venus In Furs” IMO. Youtube “John Cale Later Jools Holland Venus In Furs” and you’ll see what I mean; spellbinding.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you heard

Jeff Buckley’s version? (From ‘Grace’ album). Wow.

by meat on Jul 31, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, and it's my friends' usual answer for the definitive version of the song

I don’t know what it is… I think voice is a little “hollow” or “tinny” for me

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's got that weird, early 90s production value to it,

that makes Nirvana’s “Nevermind” sound so weak, even though the music is so masterful. If Buckley’s "Grace had come out just a few years later or several years earlier, it would have sounded much, much better.

I call it the Butch Vig Effect, and I would love to punch him in the throat for it.

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by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the ballz.

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by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like it that much, personally.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rick Ankiel

While I agree that his homer last night was a majestic one, his AB in the 10th with the bases juices was pathetic. Again. In late and close situations he just doesn’t have the plate discipline to take a good AB. Broxton didn’t throw him a single strike, yet he struck out on three pitches when a walk — and he’s already walked Joe Thurston to lead off the inning — would have brought in a run and move the Cards 1 run closer to tying up the game.

Rick should sit down and watch tapes of Adam Dunn take AB’s. He really should. Ank absolutely crushes balls that are down and in or down and away (or down and in the middle even), yet he continually chases high cheese. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, he’s a 30 HR talent if he had any plate discipline at all: Figure out the pitches that you can hit and sit on just those pitches. If the pitcher gets two strikes on you THEN you can worry about protecting the plate. Otherwise, make him throw the ball to you and hope to get a pitch you can handle and if not, try and work a walk. This is exactly what Adam Dunn does, and if he could run at all, would make him a 4 win player. Rick can field the ball defensively, he just needs to adjust his strategy at the plate. Last night should provide enough motivation — you just homered earlier in the game, and the opposing manager intentionally walked two right handed hitters to load the bases in a two run game so his right handed closer could pitch to the left handed you……..and you struck out on three pitches.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 9:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he faced Kuo

not Broxton when the bases were juiced.

Which defeats many of the points in your posts.

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

I goofed up the situations…must have had a few too many Franklins last night…..

My point still stands though: He takes terrible at bats in those situations. If he’d simply focus on the pitches he can hit well, he’d be a lot better off. Do you think Kuo is throwing 3 straight balls out of the strike zone to Mark Derosa in that situation? Or Adam Dunn? The bases are juiced, so you can’t afford to get into a three ball count unless you know that the guy hitting will chase everything that you throw up there.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you

he sucks in high leverage situations. Just pointing out that he faced a lefty (hence why they walked Pu/Holliday to get to him), not a righty.

We have no bench, so TLR couldn’t even come up with a better option there to bat for Rick.

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who

also struck out against Kou in the same inning.

by Evilfrog on Jul 31, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Took more pitches

but look at the gameday of his at bat and Ank’s. Difference was Luddy actually fouled off the high stikes while Ank just plain missed.

by ubeddie on Jul 31, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The ends don't justify the means here

Kuo had to work to get Ludwick out. He just threw three pitches towards the plate to get Ankiel out. If I’m a pitcher, I’d rather have a guy up there who can’t hit a high fastball but can’t lay off them either than a guy who will take a pitch he can’t hit and take a walk.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I gotta disagreee

a strike out is a strike out, when it’s late in the game against a reliever. It’s not like Ludwick struck out after a 10 pitch at bat with a good starting pitcher.

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again...I disagree

The more pitches you make a pitcher throw, the more chances of a mistake taking place. There’s a runner on third base, so a wild pitch could score a run. If you battle him every pitch, you increase the likelihood of that happening because he’s got to make better pitches to get you out.

After what happened on Wednesday night, you have to admit I’ve got a point.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You do have a point

and I didn’t take into account the WP situation (given how terrible Russell Martin is, I should’ve)

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Martin

wasn’t behind the plate, Ausmus was. He’s much better defensively, but still, anything can happen. You need to make the pitcher make pitches to get you out, instead of flailing at every thing thrown up there.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha, I fail

I see your point, but the end result was still the same.

But I agree that i’d rather have a guy up there who can atleast make the pitcher throw pitches, then a guy who strikes out on 3 straight.

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at least ankiel didn't get my hopes up

Ludwick’s PA = maximum anxiety/excitement

Ankiel’s PA before 1 pitch = moderate anxiety/excitement
Ankiel’s PA after 1 pitch = low anxiety/excitement
Ankiel’s PA after 2 pitches = “who do the dodgers have coming up next inning?”

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jul 31, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats odd

mine was
1.low excitement
2.no excitement
3.anger for not PHing Larue and give YADI a Break from 25 innings of catching the last 24 hours

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Jul 31, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, my objection to the situation

wasn’t the result, it was using your right-handed pinch hitter ahead of your big bats. Not saying Ludwick would have necessarily done anything but what Ankiel did, but it changes the calculus of walking Albert and Holliday to get to the left-handed bat.

I've made a huge tiny mistake.

by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That didn't bother me all that much...

From what we know about Ludwick, he hits a lot of fly balls, so getting him up there with less than 2 outs and a runner on third is a pretty good decision, imo. He just didn’t get the job done.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have to agree

Wasn’t his season-to-date probability of scoring a runner from third with less then 2 outs at 75% before that at bat? I like the odds of him getting it done there. He just couldn’t hold back from the high cheese.

NorCal CARDS FAN

by norlanski on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is true

And I don’t think Rasmus should have been PH for. But the thinking at that time was a ball hit out of the infield wins the game. Even if it s caught. Ludwick has the better chance of doing that than Rasmus.

Ludwick just didn’t get it done this time. So at that point you load the bases to face Rick.

If tony didn’t PH for Rasmus he might have won it. Or he might have K’d too. With the winning run on first it wouldn’t surprise me if Torre still walked Pujols and Hollliday to face Ludwick.

by Evilfrog on Jul 31, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think

God himself was going to get a hit off Kou last night. He kicked it up a notch or 5 that inning. I said to myself, hey, I’d like him for my team……

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 31, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you saying he isnt clutch?

"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial

by Shi on Jul 31, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ank Loves...

…the ball middle up because he can crush it.

He just has a tendency to chase pitches that are middle high or up and in.

Nobody can hit the ball low and away for power unless they push it the other way, which many people don’t know how to do.

by thepainguy on Jul 31, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He singles up the middle or to right center

pretty frequently on fastballs away. He had two hits against Philly in this manner, but the pitch has to be down, not up and away where he can’t get the bat head up to it.

I inherently disagree that he’s successful hitting the high fastball. He rarely gets the bat to the ball and when he does he pops it up or hits a lazy flyball. The ball he hit last night was middle in and down and he crushed it. That’s his “red zone” as a hitter and he should be taking pitches that aren’t in that zone early in at-bats.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, high

pitches will always be his kryptonite, especially high and tight.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 31, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He leaves his feet when he swings.

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and when he misses

he spins himself into the ground like a top.

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

all japanese spin like a top

and knock the shit out the ball.

by ridgesee on Jul 31, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting you bring up that comparison,

it looks very similar, but if you really watch, Ankiel is doing literally the exact opposite of what the Japanese lefties do.

Someone like Ichiro, he locks that rear leg in place, giving him a pivot point, and then comes out of the box with his front side, generating momentum as goes, as well as getting a head start on the run to first.

Rick, on the other hand, look at what happens with his back leg. His left foot ends up almost on top of home plate half the time when he swings, costing him any stability he might have initially had.

I've made a huge tiny mistake.

by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ank's Swing

I agree that it’s a pretty typical power swing and not at all Japanese.

Where his back foot lands isn’t necessarily that big of a deal.

However, overswinging will tend to hurt your consistency. It’s not a coincidence that Albert’s bat speed on only slightly above average and that he hits for both power and average.

Let me see if I got any video off Ank doing anything last night.

Did he do anything in the first 6 innings?

by thepainguy on Jul 31, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So?

Tony Gwynn did, too.

I have video to prove it.

by thepainguy on Jul 31, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

completely different approach though

and I was just making a joke, calm yourselves.

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you can pull it off, more power to you.

But Rick Ankiel is no Tony Gwynn.

Last night I was thinking about my high school basketball coach who would freak out if we left our feet to pass the ball, and ank leaves his feet to swing a freaking baseball bat. Just odd.

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll post video of his out in the first

At first glance it’s not a bad swing.

by thepainguy on Jul 31, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Down and away?

Seriously? He did get that one pitch the other night that was low and off the plate, but to me Ankiel down and away is basically like Alfonso Soriano down and away. That’s how you get him out.

by sdrone on Jul 31, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not off the plate down and away

and not breaking balls that way. He can handle fastballs down and away

if he’s looking for that pitch
, but smart pitchers would never throw him a strike because he’s proven he has no plate discipline.

FWIW, Soriano CRUSHES fastballs just about anywhere — it’s breaking stuff away that is his kryptonite. Why the fuck anyone still throws him fastballs is beyond me.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...Why? How?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Per this mornings paper, too

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Good job pitching the best 3 innings of your life. See ya!"

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kahil = Not Fixed

Why does anyone think that Kahil has been magically fixed?

He’s got an anxiety disorder that is pressure induced. It’s no surprise that the way to “fix” him is to send him to the minors where the pressure is off.

But once he’s back in the bigs, the pressure’s going to be back on, and he’ll slump again.

The only thing that’s going to work long-term is medication and/or counseling.

by thepainguy on Jul 31, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree.

I’m expecting something akin to his last return. Couple good games, riding the good feelings, diggin’ the love, then a bad day, and shit falls apart again.

It’s easy to stay centered when things are going well.

I've made a huge tiny mistake.

by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

unless you're running a campaign

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jul 31, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

slogan, not strategy

big difference

How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor

by themanthemyth on Jul 31, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take the over,

only because I don’t see him getting a ton of playing time.

I've made a huge tiny mistake.

by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed...

… but this is why the call-up makes little sense: he’s really only useful to the team as a pinch-hitter, and those are often the most stressful, high-leverage situations of a game. why put him in that position when it could lead to damaging the team and possibly encourage him to physically abuse himself?

by kindred on Jul 31, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it has to do with Ryan not

being able to walk when he woke up this morning? Khalil will get a start against Wandy.

NorCal CARDS FAN

by norlanski on Jul 31, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wandy?

is that the left-handed Lincecum?

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jul 31, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

again, that makes sense...

… but Greene hasn’t played SS in several months. what are they gonna do, play him a 3B and move DeRosa to 2B?

by kindred on Jul 31, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he played some short

in this most recent stint in Memphis, I think

by DanUpBaby on Jul 31, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but your suggestion works fine too, and then play lugo at SS...

skip couldn’t hit wandy if his life depended on it.
for that matter if boog’s back play lugo at second, boog at short, khalil at 3rd, DeRo at 1st and give Albert the day off.

DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."

by tehzachatak on Jul 31, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

Because he probably hasn’t gotten any medication and counseling, right? No no, they probably just sent his ass to the minors and said, “Hey Khalil, figure it out, and stop worrying for chrissake, el oh el.”

by mojowo11 on Jul 31, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Azru:

Do you have any inside info on Manny possibly being a robot? Some sportswriters are starting to suspect him:

“The words escaped Manny’s lips with a robot’s indifference. He turned automaton for questions that would evoke emotions from even the coldest heart.”

Given the widespread speculation about el Hombre’s possible automatonism, I’m wondering if in the near future more MLB stars will either admit to being or be outed as an R.U.R., and are thus unfairly advantaged over their fleshborn teammates, who lack the titanium endoskeletons and positronic brains necessary to hit a Tim Lincecum two-seamer…

by santiagofish on Jul 31, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wellemeyer

I hate to think he is finished. can’t the cards come up with a phantom injury (dl him for 15 days) to rest his arm. then rehab him in memphis and determine if he can be transitioned into a competent reliever.

Mo, you can trade anything of mine.

by njnick on Jul 31, 2009 10:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

The "Izzy Implosion" Treatment

Send him to the DL for the rest of the season

by olddomination on Jul 31, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's like it's coming right at you...

So I was at the game last night shooting some video of Manny for a client (yes, Manny’s a cheater but he’s still got a sweet swing). I was sitting on the 1B line in the 3rd row of the Loge. I had just turned my camera off (doh!!!) and looked up when a RH batter hits a foul ball.

It’s funny because it looks like it’s coming right at me. And then I realize it IS coming right at me. It’s spinning and tailing right into me. I stick up my right hand at the last second (I have my camera in my left hand) and get a hand on the ball. Unfortunately it bounced off of and jammed my middle finger and I wasn’t able to grab it because there was a guy in my lap and I was trying to keep him from smashing my camera.

My middle finger still hurts.

I did get video of Holliday’s home run, but not Ank’s.

by thepainguy on Jul 31, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we're glad you survived

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what was his name?

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

you gotta be more subtle than that, Al

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Took One in the Groin

But unfortunately it was a glancing blow from an elbow, and not anything else.

Anyway, it only makes you gay if you are giving and not if you are receiving, right?

by thepainguy on Jul 31, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Other way around

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since when?

I talked to Eddie Murphy about this once and he said it was that way.

by thepainguy on Jul 31, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, think about it

If you’re giving it, you can imagine it’s a girl

If you’re receiving it… Well, it’s hard to imagine it’s anything else

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cardinals make the Not Top Ten twice

I missed the first instance. Guess what the other was.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was hoping Wellemeyer would dial it up as a reliever

But he still was throwing that seam weak ass 89 MPH with min movement

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 31, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am disappointed

I have made two green-worthy posts in this thread today, and not a single rec to my name (sniff….).

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fishing for recs?

FLAG’D!!!!!!!!

Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!

by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT: Luhnow now twittering

a link for those who follow – Jeff Luhnow on twitter

I’ve decided to use this for minor league/prospect updates and highlights primarily.

by ubeddie on Jul 31, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Very awesome

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

I’m very excited about that. I love how accessible he is to fans.

by Toddius on Jul 31, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dammit

Amaury Marti has a hand injury. He must have clapped.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jul 31, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

When Luhnow said he was going back to Jupiter

He meant to the planet, to save Earth from intergalactic overlords

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

Jupiter's ultradense inner atmosphere

is the only place he can really catch his breath.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jul 31, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jupiter's gravitational pull deflects some asteroids away from Earth

but it also pulls other asteroids towards us. Marti hurt his hand protecting us from the latter.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's so selfless!

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Jul 31, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got 20/20, can you?

Actually, I’d be disappointed if anyone got worse than 19/20. It’s pretty easy.

http://www.sporcle.com/games/baseballmemorables.php

Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!

by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome site when you're at work

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or catastrophic, depending on how bad a procrastinator you are.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I'm pretty bad

but it’s hard to decide, really.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should've said

“I think I’m pretty bad

I’ll get back to you later on that, though"

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why?

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Irony, man!

It would’ve made you look so cool

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's kinda what i did

but mine was funnier. At least in my mind….?

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that's not what a procrastinator is, right?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was kinda implicit that I taking time deciding

i probably didn’t write it very well though. maybe “I’m having trouble deciding, though..>” would’ve been better.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, gotcha

Jeez, the things we talk about on VEB…

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like all the completely off-topic music threads that have been popping up lately?

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jul 31, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno either, but I'll figure it out later.

Also, my brain picks really annoying times to completely go blank with names. I just flat out could not remember the names of about 4 people in that quiz who I really should have. I knew who they were, I just could not for the life of my come up with a name.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

20/20

in 2:25 seconds elapsed. Couldn’t remember how to spell Vander Meer or it would have been less….lol

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

17/20

I missed Bobby Thomson, because I thought his name was spelled Bobby Thompson

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which other ones did you miss?

the only one I did a double take on was VanderMeer

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why I said 19/20 and not 20/20

17/20? FOR SHAME

Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!

by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey, technically it's 18/20

I got the Bobby Thomson question correct, I just didn’t spell his last name right

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bucky "F***ING" Dent?

I thought maybe it would be the Negro League player — that’s another tough one.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can honestly say I had no clue on that question

I wasn’t alive when it happened and I don’t really give much of a fuck about 70’s Yankees baseball :)

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I just figured you watched enough Yankees – Red Sox playoff baseball to know about the Bucky Dent thing. That’s how I found out about it.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

I honestly don’t think i’ve ever heard about it though, maybe because I tend to tune out broadcasters.

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Negro League question I surprisngly didn't have a problem with

but maybe that’s because I only know the names of about 5 negro league players, and Satchel Paige was the first that came to mind.

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I typed in Gibson (for Josh Gibson) and inadvertantly filled out another blank…FREEBIE!

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually saw Bobby Thomson's home run

I was in the 10th grade in high school and the principal let all the boys in 5th period study hall go up town to a furniture store to watch that playoff game on old black and white TV in the store showroom.

TV was relatively new in the south, but baseball had been started broadcasting in 1950 with the world series.

When the Dodgers scored 3 runs in the top of the ninth, all the other boys left, not wanting to miss the bus. but I stayed for the Giant’s comeback in the ninth ending on Thomson’s “shot heard round the world.”

Even thou I was and have always ben a Cardinal fan. I still to this day cherish this as my favorite moment in sports.

by ridgesee on Jul 31, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Great story

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

and then I walked 6 miles to home. No….somebody picked me up after a couple miles..maybe.

by ridgesee on Jul 31, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the snow?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

it was a sandstorm

by ridgesee on Jul 31, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is that lex lugor in the middle?

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahnold, isn't it?

Probably on the set of Conan II?

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Jul 31, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah yeah

i couldn’t decide if it was him or tote pack.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

From left to right: Wilt the Stilt, Arnold Get to the Chopper Schwarzeneggar, and Andre the Giant.

I've made a huge tiny mistake.

by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aaaand,

Chris was too quick for me.

I've made a huge tiny mistake.

by the red baron on Jul 31, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody want a peanut?

Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!

by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean Fezzick

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You both mean

Bombaata, Conan, and Fezzick.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I have no gate key." "Fezzik, rip his arms off." "Oh, you mean this gate key"

"Baseball has been good to me since I quit trying to play it." - Whitey Herzog

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jul 31, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Go away or I'll call the Brute Squad."

“I’m on the Brute Squad.”
“You are the Brute Squad!”

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Robots playing baseball?

It could be. Maybe this will satisfy some diehard statheads.

http://gmy.news.yahoo.com/vid/14828813

by ridgesee on Jul 31, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

personally

I’d prefer it if we got rid of the robots/humans altogether, and predicted the outcome of each at bat in binary, by producing a random stream of zeroes and ones from an early-80s dot-matrix printer.

Now THAT’S drama.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

just breakdown that binary to octal and you’ve got the big picture.

by ridgesee on Jul 31, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Video of Rick Ankiel's Swing

I just created two new fanshots that show video clips from Rick Ankiel’s AB in the 1st.

One is a foul that missed a home run by 15 feet and the other is a pop fly that he just missed.

I don’t see any glaring problems with his swing.

P.S. Sorry, but I don’t have Ank’s HR. I had to leave early.

by thepainguy on Jul 31, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There's nothing wrong with his swing

except when he gets fooled, like he was on the pop-up that you posted. It’s his mental approach that needs work, which I alluded to above.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welly

needs to stop with the Yoga classes.

by Evilfrog on Jul 31, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course he did.

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Socrates once said

that the unexamined life is not worth living. Aristotle added to that the idea that a man is known to all but least to himself.

This is what happens when Wellemeyer blows a game. I start getting crazy philosophical thoughts.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 31, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Interesting...

“Toddalion” kinda sounds like a name from a Socratic dialogue.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't it Heraclitus

who said something like “You can never step in the same river twice—nor can a terrible starting pitcher be converted overnight into a good relief pitcher.”

Of course, Heraclitus said it in ancient Greek, so I might be missing some of the subtlety of the original.

by santiagofish on Jul 31, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the original Greek translates to something like this...

“You can never step in the same river twice — and man, this Wellemeyer guy really sucks! Why is he still on a Major League roster?”

"Baseball has been good to me since I quit trying to play it." - Whitey Herzog

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jul 31, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one day I wish Tim Kurkjian would slap Steve Phillips

on air and say, you’re an idiot.

Tim’s too nice.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

erik is tweeting that washburn is going to detroit for two very minor prospects.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Better than Milwaukee

Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!

by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like the way you think.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So....

what the hell are the Mariners doing? They send prospects away for guys that will help them this year, then trade a pitcher who is helping them for guys who won’t help them this year.

Seems to me they need to make up their mind about what they truly want to be doing, contending or planning ahead. Or do they think the Snell makes Washburn expendable? If that’s the case, well, they have another thought coming.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i THINK they're aiming at 2010 -- wilson, e.g., is still under an option next year.

but a lot of guys (dave cameron) who thought Zdurencik was going to be this sabr-superwarrior who would turn the club into an evidence-based dynasty to rule the AL West for years to come are going to find that Seattle moves from fourth to third and that’s about it.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They could have gotten a lot more for Washburn though, no?

Crap, that’s like us giving them PJ Walters and David Kopp, two guys who probably don’t have much of a future in the big leagues. Why not keep Washburn and hope to make the postseason and grab a couple of draft picks? Maybe they know that Halladay is going to end up in Texas and are giving up on winning the division now.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

walters and norrick was erik's comp.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TBH I'm happy just to see Boggs the rest of the way

Wasburn likely doesn’t beat Lohse for the 4th spot in the playoffs (which hardly pitches anyway) and he likely doesn’t add more than half a win or so in the remaining 10 or so starts for the #5 starter in the regular season. So I dunno how much he’d add to us, other than comp picks. I guess the picks might be worth it, given Norrick is (at best) a LOOGY and walters isn’t looking like he has much of a future with us.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not really eyeballing washburn and saying "wish he was with us" honestly.

although norrick and walters rank high on the expendable list. just an interesting trade.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with tom here

I’m not saying we should have traded for him, just saying that they got next to nothing, so wouldn’t they have been better off keeping Washburn and picking up one or two draft picks when he leaves. Even a sandwich pick probably has more upside than either of those two guys.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Jul 31, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Washburn says he's open to resigning with Mariners

so, maybe they only lost him for two months and they got two prospects. With Beltre and Bedard out maybe this is quite cagey. Grab two people for the minor league team and re-sign washburn in the spring. haven’t the blues been doing that?

Just win

by The Duke on Jul 31, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Snell/Wilson deal has an eye on next year and beyond

Plus, Clement likely had no future in Seattle, and Cedeno’s a mediocrity, so they didn’t deal much that helps them now in that trade. Snell is signed cheap next year, and has a couple of decent team options after that. Wilson, I think, is signed for $8m next year, and he’s surely an improvement over the Cedeno/Betancourt vacuum of suck they’ve traded away.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WWL has it too, it's official.

DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."

by tehzachatak on Jul 31, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find it interesting that Ankiel is getting a lot of heat for his at bat in the 8th

when it was really Ludwick who was the goat of that inning.

Remember he had a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs. The only thing you CAN’T do in that situation is strikeout and that’s exactly what he did. There’s a dozen different ways to get the run home there and he didn’t do it.

This isn’t a personal attack against Ludwick in any way but not scoring a run in the 8th falls on his shoulders and not Ank’s IMO.

I assume he’s getting the pass in this situation because he’s been on a tear as of late while Ankiel has been struggling all season.

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

by stltrav09 on Jul 31, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll go along with that.

Whenever I see awesome run-scoring opportunities (like man on 3rd, no outs), I always get really nervous if the first hitter fucks up. Another good example was the Wednesday game after Ryan’s 15th-inning triple. LaRue was first up and took just a horrible, undisciplined, flail-at-the-moon AB that nearly ruined the inning. Once that first guy is gone, the opponent is in a much more escapeable situation.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 31, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Luddy sucked last night too

his at bats were pathetic. dude was swinging for the fences instead of just trying to get the run in.

but he also should have PH for Ank & not Colby. but i digress

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

aha, there it is

DeRosa and Thurston make the Not Top Ten. 5 and 2.

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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What did DeRo do?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sailed the throw to first

into the dugout. It wasn’t even close to Albert.

NorCal CARDS FAN

by norlanski on Jul 31, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT: Do you think Mo will do one more trade?

I’m not happy about losing Todd and now here the Cards are in need of a RH set-up guy that Todd/Perez could have been….. but that’s over with…. still upset, though.

I get the feeling he isn’t done yet.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jul 31, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Vargas to the brewers

For a minor league catcher.

by Evilfrog on Jul 31, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cabrera to the Twins

For minor league SS

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orlando, sorry

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was a 3:10 game?

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stand corrected.

My wallet schedule has made me look quite the fool.

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

orignally scheduled for Fox

then Fox dropped it as a national broadcast game and the Cards moved the time back to normal so your wallet was correct

by ubeddie on Jul 31, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

now I have a dilemma

watch the game or go to my friends’ pre-wedding party

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

eh

no dvr… I’ll probably compromise and watch part of the game

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DVR for sports is only acceptable when:

you are attending the game.

you can’t make it home for the start of the game, and will be able to fast forward during commercials & pick off moves in order to finish the game within an hour of it actually ending.

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jul 31, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also good for rewinding

to see awesome plays, crap calls, etc.

Philles announcers about Toronto:
"Well they go out West after this series, this weekend, against the Tampa Bay Rays"

by RiverRat on Jul 31, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the video links, Dan (missed the game last night)

superb writing as per usual. kudos.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Red Sox getting V-Mart

The poster formerly known as JoeyBombs.

by RasRoY on Jul 31, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap

there is a lot of trading going on.

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MLBTR is getting HAMMERED

I can barely load the site

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea I know it took like 5 minutes to load for me

The poster formerly known as JoeyBombs.

by RasRoY on Jul 31, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strauss talking to Bernie

Suggested that a “spur” in Albert’s elbow has now become a “chip” in Albert’s elbow.

But that is from sources whose parent’s didn’t give them a name.

by Evilfrog on Jul 31, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i dunno

lately I think Strauss sources are two suck puppets a used piece of chewing gum with a smilie face drawn on it.

by Evilfrog on Jul 31, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You were right the first time.

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Freudian slip

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Jul 31, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dramatic much?

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

by stltrav09 on Jul 31, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if albert is out for elbow surgery, that's kind of a big deal.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So it goes from bone spur to chip to surgery all because of a twitter update.

Whats the difference between a spur and a chip anyway? Medically I know the difference… but in terms of being able to play or not?

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

by stltrav09 on Jul 31, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i believe chip = surgery. and i did say "if."

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Albert's elbow is chipped

that means that bone is going to continue to shred the tendon.

If Albert is done, the team is done. Unless you like Troy Glaus at 1B.

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well when you're ready to give up your tickets

give me a holler I’ll take them off your hands : )

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

by stltrav09 on Jul 31, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It rains.

But I don’t anticipate thunderstorms when it’s still sunny out

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

by stltrav09 on Jul 31, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking more

about the last series against the Dodgers.

I’m not arguing against his slump or against the fact that he could be hurt. But it’s not doomsday yet.

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

by stltrav09 on Jul 31, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should point out

that thunderstorms are localized it’s sunny right until the black cloud is overhead…….

by sdrone on Jul 31, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would like to point out

that was funny.

How about it’s sunny and it rains and you get a rainbow, and maybe a unicorn or two.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Jul 31, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When do the pegacorns arrive?

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jul 31, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

now

pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels

by gdm426 on Jul 31, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's always darkest

just before it’s pitch black.

"Baseball has been good to me since I quit trying to play it." - Whitey Herzog

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jul 31, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Holliday is re-signed...

Albert needs to have the surgery right away and be ready in the middle of next year. I don’t think you can afford to do it with Holliday leaving, though…

V, b.

by LukeMP1186 on Jul 31, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe it

until HL confirms it.

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4 realz, man. i don't trust these unnamed sources of strauss.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say that

Albert has been picking at his elbow since before the ASB. Between pitches, he rubs it as if some piece of gravel is stuck on the bottom.

If baseball was like golf and gave us ‘bat speed’, we’d know if he has seen a distinct drop in his swing speed.

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HIttracker

gives swing speed for home runs. It’s been awhile since he’s had one of those.

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Jul 31, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FML

Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!

by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to say though...

If his elbow has gotten worse all the sudden, it has to be a post-ASB thing, because I have a real hard time believing Albert would participate in the Home Run Derby if he was already hurt.

V, b.

by LukeMP1186 on Jul 31, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or maybe it happend during the Derby

epic FAIL

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hope not

otherwise we’ll have to hear Bernie Miklasz do his smug i told you so routine.

by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he has been doing it

It’s what led up to him asking Strauss about it. And that just made it worse. I would have turn it off if he didn’t mentioned Mo was coming up later.

by Evilfrog on Jul 31, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been saying it for a week or so

This was pre-ASG. His stance changed, his expression changed, the doubles evaporated, the range of the fly balls evaporated, and the only pitchers he beat were Harden and Garland in 60-70 ab’s.

On the other hand, this explains why the urgency to sign Holliday.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A "chip" in Albert's elbow

doesn’t make him swing at a Jeff Weaver slider 4 feet off the plate.

It doesn’t make him fly out to left on a middle in fastball because he was out on his front foot.

His timings not right. We’ve seen this before from Albert and we’ve seen the results when he snaps out of it.

I’m not saying his elbow’s NOT hurt. But I don’t think it’s the main reason for his current slump.

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

by stltrav09 on Jul 31, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Timing changes if you have to start your swing early

to be able to get bat speed up.

If his elbow hurts to swing, he would start it early to guess fastball.

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

Only time will tell.

Yesterday was a prime day for Albert to sit. I have to imagine Tony gave him the option and he said no. We know Albert plays with a lot of pride and is probably stubborn about being given off days, but I like to think he’d be smart enough to know when his elbow could use a day off.

The fact that he played leaves me to believe it’s a mechanical flaw that can only be fixed by getting at-bats.

Your comment is very true but also very simple for Albert, a member of the coaching staff, or a trainer to figure out. Don’t you think one of the 3 would have made him sit yesterday? Just throwing that out there.

THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!

by stltrav09 on Jul 31, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time to rest Albert

have Albert skip both Mets games next week. That would give him four days of rest.

by ubeddie on Jul 31, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

honestly

It sounded more like a Strauss guess. He stated yesterday that he hasn’t spoke to Albert about it. They didn’t lead the segment with it. They didn’t end the segment with it. They didn’t make a big deal out of it.

And Bernie is an alarmist.

by Evilfrog on Jul 31, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This really doesn't make sense

But it could mean his elbow is loosening up more.

by thepainguy on Jul 31, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why doesn't it make sense?

I’m guessing that means the “spur” broke off, and now the “chip” is floating around in there.

by etp_stl on Aug 1, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs