Post-Game 105
by azruavatar on Jul 30, 2009 11:51 PM EDT
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Awesome photo caption.
Short press conference.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
Any highlights?
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 30, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
no, no, no , no, no, no,
don’t didn’t want to pinch Welley either by pitching to ausmus with the bases loaded
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Basically:
1. Didn’t want to squeeze Welly by IBBing Kemp.
2. Was a great series, well played by both sides.
3. Franklin was absolutely not an option for Blake.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
I guarantee it went something like this
Reporter: “Tony, why did you have Todd pitch to Matt Kemp, instead of Brad Ausmus?”
Tony: “grumble grumble….are we done here? bye”
by dcfcblues on Jul 30, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
damn, you're close
that was his closing line after about 2min of questions
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It was a pretty solid game, on balance,
and I think there’s multiple people you could rag on. The at bat Ankiel took with bases loaded was one of the worst he’s had all year. Wellemeyer isn’t pitching well (a fake DL trip seems like it would have made sense) but there are better reasons to not like Wellemeyer than tonight’s performance.
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I have no problem with Wellemeyer tonight
he was used because no one else was available. Everyone in the stadium knew he wasn’t going to get Matt Kemp out. He just isn’t very good.
Yeah, we were out of pitchers.
Unless we decided to bring in Ankiel, Welly was our last option.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
We could throw rasmus
He pitched in high school and was clocked at 93. But injury risk is too high.
Source: http://www.perfectgame.org/stories/05_04_04_tony_rasmus/index.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
i'm more upset that Tony pulled Colby than at Welley
dude just isn’t right & Az is correct he needs a DL visit.
Luddy had two pretty shitty late at bats too. he swung at everything.
we all knew dick was going to K. after the 7th inning he’s freaking useless.
Tony needs to start trusting Colby more. that’s a fact.
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We need a clutch substitution for Ankiel for every time he starts
yank him during the 7th inning stretch, I don’t care if he’s 3-3 with 3 HRs.
he's not really unclutch
he just can’t hit relief pitching, which happens in late innings. So it’s functionally the same.
The last pitch he swung at was about 3 inches away from his body and above his wrists.
LOOGy or not, that was a horrible at bat, as Rick futilely chased three pitches without getting close.
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he hit a pretty clutch hr in the bottom of the 7th
and who else are you going to bring in to hit there?
LaRue? He’s hardly any better of an option, and then if he doesn’t come through, you burn your backup catcher.
Thurston? Maybe he’ll get a hit, and after that hit, maybe he’ll forget to touch the bases.
Until we get Glaus or Greene up here to bat from the right side, we had no better options than Rick at that time. Unless i’m forgetting someone.
it's not like I just started disliking Welley
It’s just another thing to add to his wall of shame.
Ankiel does that every time w/ the bases loaded, Torre noticed that.
but it'll bring his swinging strike % down! we can't do that
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
by tehzachatak on Jul 30, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
i JUST did too. freaky.
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
by tehzachatak on Jul 31, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Going to be tough to get past the Cubs
or get deep in October if the bullpen doesn’t get better.
Hopefully they will turn it around the next 2 months. Would be nice to for Mo to get someone on the cheap if possible.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
The Scrubs
have their own bullpen problems, and more importantly, offensive problems. They were masked this week by an Astros organization that still thinks it’s 1999, and in a post ASG four-game series with the worst team in baseball this decade.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 30, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Have to disagree about their offense
They are finally starting to hit the ball and score runs a plenty at Wrigley. Now if they can do it on the road will be their big test.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
And who did they play in those big run scoring games?
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
15 HR's against decimated Houston
is not 15 HR’s against a quality staff, such as the Cards’.
Philles announcers about Toronto:
"Well they go out West after this series, this weekend, against the Tampa Bay Rays"
Well let's hope we can score 10 runs against the Astros
We couldn’t do it last week.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
we have an awesome August schedule
The Dodgers are the only team above .500 we play! I really think we need to go .650+ over August, then we’re properly in pole position. It’s our big chance to pull away because we face a much tougher schedule in Sept and Oct.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
for correct reference of the team that plays in the world’s largest gay bar
by CardsCentralChamps09 on Jul 30, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Um...
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
Got to love the prejudices of middle America.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
classy.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 31, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
what is with this shit tonight.
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
by tehzachatak on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
it happens every couple of weeks
I suppose some people think that shit is funny
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jul 31, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree robot
i said earlier that i can live with this. if we can beat up on the ’stros and the scrubs lose a few we will be okay.
The gerbil is a jerk!
by RosevilleRedbird on Jul 30, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
The only question at any subsequent press conference
needs to be — “So when does the team intend to DFA That Thing?”
Ask that question until it mercifully happens.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 30, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
Dear Tony,
That booing you heard in the 10th inning was not for Manny Ramirez. It wasn’t for any Dodgers player. It wasn’t for any of your position players.
It was for The Todalion. And when Mo tells you tomorrow that he’s been designated for assignment, just roll with it.
Thanks and best wishes,
Cardinal Nation.
One day, David Backes and Albert Pujols will combine forces to become the most awesome piece of violent force known to man.
Oh, but only if it would be true
I just don’t believe Wellemeyer will get the boot until this season is long over and buried.
For this we dealt the majority of the top prospects, thereby putting hope for 2010 in jeopardy.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 30, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Rob will never outdue his best Matchbox Twenty work
Too mainstream with some of his solo work.
I'm the guy that does his job, you must be the other guy.
I think the new one got pretty good reviews
at Metacritic. I haven’t taken the time to listen to it, though.
by MichiganBird on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I might take look see then
He’s always been a good writer
I'm the guy that does his job, you must be the other guy.
I only listen to the radio
but that song is reasonably good.
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Kemp: It's tought to play here,
with the fans always being on you, but they’re great, blah blah blah.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
That dude could bat 8th in my lineup any time.
Damn, the Dodgers have some young badasses. Like, under-25 type young.
by MichiganBird on Jul 30, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I know.
I’d love to have Kemp patrolling some part of the outfield. We’d invent a 4th OF spot and just have BOOG play both 2B and SS.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
I'd give the entire Springfield organization for Kershaw.
21 years old! He’s gonna be a star for 15 freakin’ years.
by MichiganBird on Jul 31, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
eh, not really
they have good young pitchers, but Kemp is the only good young position player.
Loney sucks for a 1st baseman, Martin sucks, Ethier is 27, the rest of their lineup is old.
Loney is about league average
just above if you believe in fielding metrics….
Martin is good. I would consider swapping Yadi for him. Ethier is good, and 27 is younger than all our position players except Colby (ermmm, I think Ryan possibly, he’s a similar age).
They have Kemp, Billingsley, Kershaw, all five win players, all young, all cheap. You can put a team of league-average nobodies with that trio and they’d still win 90 games.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 5:54 AM EDT up reply actions
you...
would consider swapping Yadi… for Russell Martin… whaaat
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
by tehzachatak on Jul 31, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
In other news
Dewayne Wise was the hero for the White Sox again with a pinch-hit single in the 9th.
He has been the hero their last two home games. The first time being with his amazing catch to preserve Buherle’s perfect game
by CardsCentralChamps09 on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions
Boog:
It’s not broken, but it hurts like a mother.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions
I hate Ozzie Guillen the manager,
but I love Ozzie Guillen the quote machine.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
Ozzie Guillen:
It is freaking ridiculous. Every week we have to deal with this crap. God, this is getting old. If you’re going to divorce me, divorce me, don’t say you’re going to leave me. I saw the news today and I was like, God, now I have to answer stupid freaking questions.
[about the new leaked names from the 2003 season]
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
haha
i JUST did too. freaky.
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
by tehzachatak on Jul 31, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Just joined up
Who’s comin’ with me!?!
by MichiganBird on Jul 31, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
This guy
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pissed at Ortiz, by the way.
I really like him. I guess nothing should shock me anymore.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
yeah you have to be disappointed
especially with his tough talk on steroids just this offseason and now to find out he doesnt walk the walk
it hurts baseball
by CardsCentralChamps09 on Jul 31, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
the fact that he said that knowing he took steriods himself annoys me more than anything
I’ve become numb to players getting named, since it seems like basically everyone did it anyways. But the hypocrisy is just so strong in this case.
People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
Ankiel clutchness
For the season he is hitting a crappy
239 .292 .404 .696
With two outs and RISP he is hitting…
239 .292 .404 .696 And a BaBip of .440
Late and close he is hitting
.195 .244 .293 .537 And a BaBip of .250
Given that the number of ABs for both of these is < 50 I’m going to dispell the myth that Ankiel can’t hit in clutch situations and just say he hasn’t been hitting any time this year. Clutch or not.
Wait, his slash lines are identical
with 2 outs RISP?
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
How do those numbers dispell that Ankiel is unclutch???
First off, if anything, it would do more to support it than detract from it. Second, we could look at his clutch stats on fangraphs, which are all negative.
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I'm saying he has just been bad
A little worse in clutch situations. But his line for 2 outs with RISP is close to his seasonal line. And his line for late and close is 2 bloops away from being about the same as his seasonal line as well as having a horrible BaBIP.
Being bad overall (and worse in late and close situations)
doesn’t disspell the un-clutchness. I’m not following the logic.
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Classy, WWL.
They didn’t blank out the homosexual slur that Greg McMackin used when they displayed the text of his comments. The anchor was audibly surprised they didn’t.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
wow. a lot more anger than smarts
In the game thread today. What’s with people dissing the Diner? He’s one of the best relievers we have.
And I’m as tired of watching todd as anybody else, but there really just weren’t any other pitchers – we had a 15 inning game last night. Not sure what else tony was supposed to do. I also think it’s unfair to ignore the challenge of entering a tie game with runners on 2b and 3b.
And as for dfaing todd, our options at memphis are scherer, walters, and kinney. I’d be willing to try walters, but welly is just the new thurston – the alternatives are not great.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 31, 2009 12:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Todd, Perez...
oh wait.
Honestly I think it might be time for Boggs. I know he is starting tomorrow. But I think it might be a good move to send Welly down for Boggs.
Welly has to pass through waivers first
I don’t mind him in long relief. Looks like Boggs and Hawk are here to stay anyhow.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions
thats a risk I would be willing to take
I don’t mind him in long relief either. But no reason to have him and Thompson.
why? he has a pretty good record
Of getting lefties out.which is what his job is.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 31, 2009 12:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
his slash lines v. lhb
.233/.278/.267
That’s pretty good. If he can turn every leftie into kelly stinnett, then he’s doing his job.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 31, 2009 12:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think people are down on Reyes because
in his last 10 appearances, hitters are hitting .429 against him with a .967 OPS, and he’s only throwing 61% strikes.
Of course, all of that got worse after tonight’s performance.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
He's faced 16 batters over that span
and struck out 2, and 8 of them have reached base.
He’s not been good lately and 6 of his last 8 appearances have come in losses.
He is in a rough patch and perception is becoming reality.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
fair enough - but is this him having
Randomly bad outings or is he actually pitching worse? How is this different from saying rasmus is 5 for his last 50?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 31, 2009 2:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's problem just a random stretch of bad outings
magnified because he has a very basic, specialized job to do. While Rasmus goes 5-for-50, he also is still useful defensively.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotta wonder if Reyes isn't wearing down.
He’s had a lot of appearances this year.
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He is also badly out of shape
I realise he’s “just” a relief pitcher, but honestly, having extra chins under your extra chins presumably doesn’t help you to cope with the workload of being a professional athlete…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions
for sure.
that’s the right move.
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
by tehzachatak on Jul 31, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
We should call brett favre
he can’t do much worse than what todd has been doing. Plus he doesn’t have to worry about interceptions.
this is Yadier, he's your O line
When he gets up to throw, duck. That’s Albert. Just run towards him and do what he says. And you’ll be fine!
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Brad Thompson...
Does anyone else think he needs to be used more as a traditional reliever? He was actually pretty solid his first couple of seasons pitching 1 inning. This season he’s only allowed 1 run in 7 appearances when he goes just 1 frame. Hawksworth should be the long man and Welley should head to the DL or be DFA’d when Boggs comes up.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 31, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions
I was once a big Thompson supporter, but he has lost too much off his one effective pitch.
And now he has one average pitch and two ineffective ones. At this point I would prefer that Boggs/Hawk/PJ get his innings.
According to fangraphs Thompson is maxing out 2-3 mph less than last year. When your only + pitch was a sinking FB, thats a big problem.
I've seen enough of PJ this season...
I absolutely prefer Boggs and Hawk…but they’ll both be on the team.
If I had a choice between PJ, Welley, and Thompson for the remainder of the season, I’ll take the PK.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 31, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
16ip is enough to rate a pitcher now?
His fip at AAA is 3.23 with a k/9 of 8.15
He just needs to settle in and use his pitches rather than trying to throw sliders.
I"m not saying he doesn't have a future in the big leagues...
just not on a team trying to make a playoff run. He’s been consistently hammered in almost every appearance….not that Thompson and Wellemeyer are too much more worthy..
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 31, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll take the unknown that just struck out 14 over the known bad quantity.
The upside of PK and Wellemeyer is average. The downside is much, much worse. We know whats behind those doors and its not pretty.
The downside of Walters can actually be a lot worse than either...
In a playoff run, I’d rather give the ball to a pitcher who has at least had a sniff of success at the big leagues rather that someone who has just been consistenly battered in his brief career.
In a perfect world I’ll take none of the above.
But given these choices, I’ll take PK….sadly
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 31, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Walters isn't throwing his best pitch
his best pitch is the changeup and for some unknown reason, all they call for is sliders.
It’s like Anthony Reyes 2.0
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
over/under on "dead arm" status?
"Every epoch dreams its successor" - Jules Michelet
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 31, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
not likely
Because he is effective when he does throw his best stuff. You don’t K 14 with a dead arm.
The real problem is he doesn’t fit Duncan’s sinker/slider game plan. Since we know the game plan is not to be questioned, it must be the pitcher.
On that note after ditching Duncan’s ‘new arm slot’ Perez suddenly has his velocity back and is effective again.
So unless
you are suggesting that Duncan will suddenly have a change of heart and let Walters pitch with his own game plan, then I don’t see how you can figure Walters will have much success at this level.
It’s going to be Dave’s way….he didn’t change for Perez or Reyes,…why the hell would he change for Walters?
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 31, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh Peej. Thrown to the wolves again...
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I really, really want to see Walters moved to the pen next year
I don’t think he has a place as a starter for us and I’m concerned that his mediocre FB isn’t going to be up to it in the majors. However, with that one awesome out-pitch, he could be a nice “trick reliever” in the pen, he’s successful (in AAA) against LHB and RHB, and he could dial up the FB from 89 to 92-93 (I guess) from the pen, which would help a lot. He could also use the change as his primary pitch, without it becoming over-exposed, if he only pitches one inning at a time, kinda like Rivera with the cutter, Lidge with his slider etc. (guys who throw their “out pitch” 30-40% of the time, which you can’t really do as a starter).
If we’re not going to use him as a proper starter, I think he has a real future as a potential late-inning reliever…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 5:44 AM EDT up reply actions
No.
He needs to be gone.
He isn’t good enough to be brought into close games and Tony refuses to use him for 3 innings in blowouts.
He has the greatest job in America.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
ideally yes...
but since he’s here… I mean he hasn’t been completely horrible as a reliever this season. In 18 relief innings his ERA is 3.50, only 2 walks, and a WHIP of 1.17. As a starter he has pretty much been a Todd Wellemeyer clone.
I’m not saying he should be used as a setup man….I’m just saying less is more when it comes to PK.
Meh…hopefully they’ll just trade for a righty and we can rid the team of both Welley and PK..
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 31, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Bring on Wuertz, Morrow, Springer, or whoever else is floating around out there. We may have enough to get us to October right now, but I think we might be a right handed reliever away from making much noise in postseason.
Morrow will be muey expensive....
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by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I do.
That sounds like a perfect scenerio.with what we have to work with. I would have much rather seen Todd called up to pitch in some 1 inning situations instead of thompson, but he is Mr. ptbnl, so if this Hawksworth thing works out, I don’t mind seeing Thompson pitch in that type of situation. I think he should be on a short leash though.
Hey, HL.
Thought you may find this amusing.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
All I have to say to Joe Torre was better said by Mike Mussina
In a game in which the Yankees were winning 6-0 with 2 outs in the 9th, Mike Mussina allowed an unearned run to score. Joe Torre, with the shutout gone, quickly hopped up and went to remove Moose. Then this happened:
Moose struck out the last batter swinging.
I like Joe, though. He’s like Tony LaRussa without the stick shoved up his ass.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2009 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking about comparing him to TLR like that
but the stick up his ass is 90% of TLR. So what’s left after that.
by TheBirds on Jul 31, 2009 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We are getting into a heated pennant race... we just took 3 of 4 from the best team in the n.l.
I tune into 101 espn for some baseball talk and I get to hear about the first day of training camp for the rams. I understand that there are other sports, but I would just hope that during this time of the baseball season that the football talk would be minimal… I could give a crap about the signing status of 3rd round draft choices for a team I don’t even follow. (deep breath) I’m done venting
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 31, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
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