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Elias Rankings (Type A Type B as of 7-30-09)

MLB Trade Rumors just posted a link to a list that ranks all of the players as of 7-30-09 as Type A, Type B, or none.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/elias-rankings-2.html#comments

After reviewing the list, there are some surprises and some intriguing decisions for the Front Office based on the current rankings of players (the rankings will change as the season progresses).  Let's review some of the decisions and possible outcomes of the pending FA on the Cardinals Roster, their classification, and what the FO should do.

1B OF 

Matt Holliday:  Type A Free Agent.  This is a no brainer to offer Arbitration to Holliday.  This guarantees at least 2 free draft picks if he bolts for another team. 

Rick Ankiel:  Type B Free Agent.  Currently listed at the bottom of the Type B's, so depending on how well he plays the rest of the season could determine his status.  If Ankiel remains a Type B throughout the season, I think the Cardinals would offer arbitration for a few reasons: 1)  The story of Ankiel and the Cardinals  2)  Insurance for injuries or other FA departures (Holliday)   3)  Rick could increase his trade value and still be moved next season.  By offering Arbitration, the Cardinals would receive a sandwich pick (between 1st and 2nd rounds of the draft) if Ankiel left, and I think with the other reasons with that, the FO would offer Arb because his current salary is 2.85 M and I can't see him being awarded a whole lot more than that.

(an interesting note from this group is that Skip Schumaker would be considered a high Type B 3.18 points away from Type A status and as an infielder he would be just 1.26 points away from Type A status)

2B, 3B, SS

Troy Glaus:  Type A Free Agent.  This is a difficult decision for a couple of reasons.  The Cardinals don't have a definite replacement at 3B, and the injury to Glaus questions his ability to play 3B.  One thing you have to look at when offering arbitration is the likelihood that the player will sign somewhere else and the other team knowing they will give up their 1st/2nd round draft pick to make the acquisition.  In Glaus' case, I think he will end up in the same situation as Orlando Cabrera did last season where a lot of teams refused to sign him due to his Type A status.  Combine that with doubts that he can play 3rd base, and his current salary (11.25M), the Cardinals will decline to offer Arb and search for a 3B replacement.

Mark Derosa:  Type A Free Agent.  This one also seems to be a no brainer for the Cardinals in my opinion.  By offering Arbitration, the Cardinals have a couple of things working for them.  The Cardinals would receive two draft picks in return which could help lessen the blow of losing Jess Todd if Derosa were to sign elsewhere.  Second, the Cardinals would have someone to put at 3B next season and not have to search the FA market.  If Derosa were to decline Arbitration, I can see teams being wary to sign him due to his free agent status and the offseason surgery on the wrist.  It wouldn't be as wary as signing Glaus, but it could become an issue.  This thought would give the Cardinals some leverage in re-signing Derosa because you never know how the market will shape up, so a known offer may be appealing.  Derosa currently makes 5.5M this year.

Khalil Greene:  Neither Type A or Type B.  The Cardinals should decline to offer Arb to Greene.  He is currently vastly overpaid and would net nothing in return for draft picks.

Starting Pitchers.

Joel Pineiro:  Type B Free Agent.  This could be the toughest decision the FO has to make if Pineiro remains a Type B Free Agent (currently 5th from the bottom, but Oliver Perez and Todd Wellemeyer are still Type B's below him).  There are some questions about the ability of Pineiro to continue pitching like he has this season, and the cost of re-signing Pineiro makes it difficult as well (currently makes 7.5M).  I think that this decision will have a lot to do with the progression of Mitchell Boggs and Blake Hawksworth over the remainder of the season.  If both of them show they are able to retire hitters at the major league level and will be solid contributors in the rotation next season, Pineiro will not be offered Arbitration.  If there is doubt about 1 or both of them, the FO will offer Arbitration and cross their fingers that Pineiro continues to pitch like he has this season. 

Todd Wellemeyer: Type B Free Agent.  Todd's recent demotion to the bullpen and his 4M dollar salary this season makes it a no brainer for the Cards to just cut ties.  I doubt that by the end of the year Wellemeyer is still a Type B anyway, unless he turns things around quick.  As Joe Blanton, Clayton Kershaw, Yovanni Gallardo, and Chris Carpenter continue to pitch well, Wellemeyer will be pushed out of the Type B category.

Relief Pitchers.

Ryan Franklin:  Type A Free Agent.  The Cardinals don't have to worry about arbitration with Fraklin because he has a 2.75M option for next season that the FO will pick up after this season.

Trever Miller:  Type B Free Agent.  Miller has pitched exceptionally well this year vs. lefties this season.  He is getting close to garnering Type A status.  Either way, the Cards should definitely offer arbitration to Miller and hope he reaches Type A status by the end of the year to increase his value if he signs elsewhere.  He would fall into the Juan Cruz category of last season where teams wanted to sign him but didn't want to lose the draft pick.  I think it would increase the Cards' chances of getting a deal done.

This completes the list of Type A and B Free Agents the Cardinals will have at the end of the season.  If the Cardinals were to offer Arb and have all of the players sign elsewhere, we would end up with 12 picks in the top rounds of the draft (talk about a way to restock the farm).

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miller?

i thought miller had a club option? or was it a player option? i remember it was pretty low in terms of money.

by supernova on Jul 30, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I remember it initially...

was a 2 year deal when the news first broke. Maybe a source was wrong at the time. I checked Cot’s Baseball Contracts and it is listed as a 1 year deal for .5M.

by Jumsy on Jul 30, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was a 2 year deal...

… but when the physical showed the damage to his shoulder i thought it got changed to a 1 year-deal with an option for a second. if the option were picked up, the deal would be the worth the same as the original 2 year deal.

i guess something could have changed, tho.

by kindred on Jul 30, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think there's an option.

Regardless, if he’s a type B, we shouldn’t pick it up…

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I looked at this yesterday and Pineiro wasn't a type B yet

has it been updated since then.

I was going to make this post myself :-) but you did a better job of it than I probably would’ve. Kudos.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 5:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yes

updated

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 31, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DeRosa hitting type A is a huge bonus, too

two possible results can come of this:

1) Cards offer arby. He declines. He signs somewhere else, we get a supplemental pick plus a 1st or 2nd rounder. The value of those picks isn’t far off the value of Jess Todd and Chris Perez, and if we draft college closers with them (not saying we should) we can almost certainly pick up two similarly good bullpen arms. Nice.

2) Cards offer arby. He declines. His type-A status puts off most of his possible suitors, who are all concerned about losing draft picks. That means less demand for DeRo, which means we might be able to sign him to a bargain deal.

I’m also on a slightly different page to most re: Glaus – I feel we SHOULD consider offering arby if it looks like he can still play 3B by the arby deadline (obviously, we just cut him loose if not). Given this years’ injuries, he’s not going to get a significant raise on his $11m salary (and I believe as a post-free-agent player he can even get a pay cut), and if he says “no” we can either get him cheap (due to a lack of other suitors) for one year or get valuable draft picks. Obviously there’s a big “if” – IF he can play 3B.

Otherwise, we get the pick for Pineiro, get the pick for Miller (or sign him dirt cheap if he’s an A), and get the picks for either DeRosa or Holliday (though it’s possible we sign both).

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 31, 2009 5:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

projections

These projections appear to flucutate greatly over a short period of time. I look at an update of the rankings just the Holliday trade and Pineiro and Ankiel still weren’t qualified as type B and DeRosa was still a B as well. While these projections are interesting, I think that we should probably wait until september before putting any weight into the projections.

by stickman179 on Jul 31, 2009 8:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The projections have counting stats used for the rankings so as the season goes on the ranking become more stable. Here are the catagories used http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/10/stats-used-for.html

by edk 218 on Jul 31, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i cant believe Yadi

would be considered a type B if he was a free agent…Whats a Molina brotha gotta do?

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." - Red Barber

by nomar34 on Jul 31, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's a three-year weight...

… and Yadi was below-average in 2007. plus he gets punished by not having many HR, RBI, and R. and the only defensive stats are Fielding % and Assists. his assists aren’t ever that high because few people run on him.

he’ll probably pass Chris Snyder by the end of the year, since Snyder is not the starter any more. that would make him a Type A.

by kindred on Aug 3, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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