Game 82 Open Thread:
by DanUpBaby on Jul 3, 2009 6:35 PM EDT
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St. Louis Cardinals at Cincinnati Reds, Jul 3, 2009 7:10 PM EDT
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| Pineiro | Bailey |
| 6-9, 3.44 | 1-0, 8.68 |
Homer Bailey just retired in my St. Louis Browns Baseball Mogul league—in the year 2032. At least half of his 4200 strikeouts had to have been my guys, because he was a member of my most nefarious divisional rivals, the Athletics. Here's hoping today is not the day he shows off a fastball/curveball combo that keeps him pitching until he's 45.
If I may be so indulged, an 80 games haiku:
First half surprises
Ankiel, Dunc ten homers
And Rasmus twelve walks
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Go Cards
take advantage of bad umping in the brewers- cubs game and reclaim the division lead!!
I want to be the no-talent ass clown!
by RosevilleRedbird on Jul 3, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's was not bad umpiring
it’s in the rule book that umpires are supposed to screw up in the Cubs favor when games take place at wrigley.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OTOH, it was flat out STUPID managing to walk the bases loaded.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it was a Borderline call
I thought it was a strike from gameday but he already put him a horrible position
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my haiku
Crap lineup again
LaRussa won’t bench his boys
Lord, please make him stop
by musial6 on Jul 3, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Good ones
It has to be “glorious ancestors, make him stop.”
Tony has to raise the value of Rick and probably Chris, if he wants to enable Mo to “pass them on” for a producing player.
Rasmus 12 walks—- Colby eyes Howard’s sports cars. Walks don’t go fast.
by OperaCard on Jul 3, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
drop the stinking puck
i want baseball not banter
cardinals beat reds
by BirdsonFire on Jul 3, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is that rat bum Thurston in the lineup?
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
derosa has a bum wrist at the moment
by BirdsonFire on Jul 3, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its practical
I think Tony may be trying to advance a position a bit with this line up. He does that. Homer is snake bit. If we don’t walk away with this game its time to hitch hike.
by OperaCard on Jul 3, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's irrelevant. Even T. Greene is > Thurston.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Al suggest colby play everyday.
Checking the status of gravity now…..
by DriverZn on Jul 3, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hell has a thin sheet of hoarfrost. at the moment.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
even the reds TV guys can't understand why Colby's on the bench
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
because
there is no injury report in MLB like football?
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's wrong with Colby?
heart burn?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
last two times he's satt
he was hurt. Chance he is this time too. Hopefully he will be back in the line up tomorrow and we’ll never know.
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very true, but with Tony
youneverknow
which is why i asked. i thought maybe they said on the pre game he was sick again or in ankle was barking
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your open mindness
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure gits hurt a lot, fer a rook.
spits.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skyline Chili
Reds conspiracy working.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 3, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to go, Dunc.
Pretty nice start.
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 3, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
walking to get to pujols
sneaky, very sneaky
by BirdsonFire on Jul 3, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does any one know
if this is a sit down for Rasmus, or is he under the weather?
by OperaCard on Jul 3, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pujols watches 2 hangers
come on Albert. Those should be out of the stadium.
by dcfcblues on Jul 3, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Belt high splitters should be like rocket fuel.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
some team is going to have a great project on its hands
when the Reds get tired of Homer Bailey and trade him for pennies on the dollar.
by DanUpBaby on Jul 3, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
presumably his arm won't have fallen off
but yes. Great fastball, great breaking stuff.
by DanUpBaby on Jul 3, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because he has worked out so great for the Indians so far?
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, i didn't say it'd worked out
just compared him as a great project who got traded for pennies on the dollar when the Cards got tired of him.
by TNTinCO on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure it counts as pennies on the dollar,
if the dollar turns out to be a shit brick.
Decrease runs scored?
Maybe.
Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
-SFTU
by hazel on Jul 3, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that name
and he also got albert, a legend in the making.
by OperaCard on Jul 3, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i will say this
homer has some heat…. 97
by BirdsonFire on Jul 3, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Embarrassing
You struck out Albert, don’t get yourself tossed
by dcfcblues on Jul 3, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a bizarro world at-bat.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, im headin' to the bar. geez albert. LET'S GO CARDS!!!!!!!!!
"I've played a couple of hundred games of tic-tac-toe with my little daughter and she hasn't beaten me yet. I've always had to win. I've got to win." - Bob Gibson
by MUGATU on Jul 3, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that was the worse AB
by Albert that i’ve seen all year.
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Schumaker has terrible fundamentals
How does he fail to tag up so often?
That was obviously a can of corn, there is no reason for him not to be at 3rd right now.
by dcfcblues on Jul 3, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This team has a very low BB IQ.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was stealing & had to run back guys
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
danke
using only gameday… so that’s not brought up unless someone mentions it
by BirdsonFire on Jul 3, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparently he had third base stolen, standing up
according to the reds announcers.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rick is looking for the splitter
here comes the drive.
by OperaCard on Jul 3, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel is pathetic.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
first two get one… and nothing, i mean nothing else happens
by BirdsonFire on Jul 3, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At this point if Ankiel just doesn't swing helplessly at 3 straight pitches I'll call it progress
i’m still not sure why he’s in the lineup
/sigh
by kalmavet on Jul 3, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i could have done that Dick
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to burn the stadium down
if they re-sign Ankiel this offseason. Now that he sucks, i’m about 95% sure they will.
by dcfcblues on Jul 3, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean,
If they resign Ankiel, the terrorists win?
by fuegophil on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way
if ankiel resigns… that’s awesome
but if he re-signs… that sucks
by BirdsonFire on Jul 3, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jeez i hope not
i really need this team to be done w/ the rick ankiel experiment
by kalmavet on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, dusty has won the majority of the games against Tony
So much for the “but he gets the wins” group.
by DriverZn on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grrrrrrr to mlb.tv
for blacking out Cinci games in Nashville. I have a hard time believing there are that many Reds fans down here.
by peach concrete on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You can get around the BO
Find the old fanpost about how to circumvent the BO.
by cowcards on Jul 3, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know its only been the first half inning....
….but Dan and Al are broadcasting the Cardinals approach to the plate to wait and sit on fastballs….well Duncan did that and got lucky they throw a horrible curveball on a full count…albert watches 2 hangers go by b/c maybe he was coached to sit on that fastball…..maybe this could be PART of the reason we are slumping…..that seems to have been the exact OPPOSITE approach we should have taken in the first inning….just looking for a reason why all of our hitters not named Pujols cant hit anymore after such great numbers last year
by Dave0585 on Jul 3, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not worried about Albert
he’ll launch that pitch if Bailey throws it to him next at bat. Ankiel however….could see the exact same pitch 10 times in a row and I’d doubt his ability to hit it.
by mattyp on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one is worried about Albert
Albert has not been the problem this season…its been the “supporting cast” which seems to have pulled a Palin on the team and just quit when times get hard
by Dave0585 on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a great start
The offense needs to get their ass in gear…important road trip here.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
by KYCards on Jul 3, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Thurston, don't ever play for this team again
God I despise you.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh good lord.
joe
"I've played a couple of hundred games of tic-tac-toe with my little daughter and she hasn't beaten me yet. I've always had to win. I've got to win." - Bob Gibson
by MUGATU on Jul 3, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh my
Joe gonna get a lotta love for that.
Cementing his status as most reviled Cardinal.
by TNTinCO on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
crap!!
Can we pool together some money and send DeRosa some HGH?
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's got enough
money to buy his own.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How bout Ankiel
Cause HGH helps eyesight
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
carrots?
Im convinced if Ankiel can get better recognizing balls and strikes he’ll turn it around.
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is why I don't have any faith in him
He doesn’t have any pitch regoinization.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's almost 30 effing years old.
Come on.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about...
“if ankiel can demonstrate the pitch-recognition ability he showed in the first half of last year…”
is that better?
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's your point?
are you saying that eye site can’t be bad at 30? Or that by 30 he should have better pitch regoinization?
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's saying
that Ankiel isn’t going to suddenly see the ball better at 30. He’s hit his ceiling, likely.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is a young hitter though.
He doesn’t have very many PAs in his Career. Though he does have a very short window. Even if he starts seeing the ball better in the next few years his power is more than likely going to leave him.
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oooh good to see the signature "Joe T 1st inning error to lead to a run" is back
i missed that play
by kalmavet on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
keep playing Thurston, Tony. It’s really helping the team
by riotmute on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We failed to score first
Which means there is roughly a 90% chance we are going to lose.
by dcfcblues on Jul 3, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice to
see Luddy’s accurate arm!
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was absolutely huge.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it was
took them right out of that inning.
by TNTinCO on Jul 3, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got to give some love for the tag too
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bah...
he had his eyes closed
"I've played a couple of hundred games of tic-tac-toe with my little daughter and she hasn't beaten me yet. I've always had to win. I've got to win." - Bob Gibson
by MUGATU on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cause Joe needed to do something
to redeem himself.
by TNTinCO on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DWick!!!!
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Willy Taveras
the victim of ridiculous throws by Cardinal outfielders
by dcfcblues on Jul 3, 2009 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Taveras needs to learn
not to run on Cardinals outfielders.
by TNTinCO on Jul 3, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am afraid of all these Flyballs frome Pineiro
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thurston b. overthrow
thanks
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
by sportsman on Jul 3, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No love for tag he just made?
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What we are susposed to give him props for doign something simple?
Though to be fair it is a surprise when it does happen.
by DriverZn on Jul 3, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what did joe do this time?
i was upstairs getting a drink
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
guy on 2nd
taveras bunts third base side, thurston tries a bare handed throw to get him at 1st and tosses it into RF
by dcfcblues on Jul 3, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ying and Yang
Overthrew a ball for an error than just did a good tag to get a double play
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the tag wasn't as nearly as impressive as the throw was awful
they don’t really offset.
by dcfcblues on Jul 3, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, 2 hits and one run
on 8 pitches.
At least we got the platoon split at third base tonight.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice
quick turn over by Luddy. Throw wasn’t that good though. 4in to the right and a good inch short.
by OperaCard on Jul 3, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
what?
wasn’t good? Compared to who? Ankiel or David Justice?
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
think you missed his joke.
Hope so at least.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the other team would just hit the ball to ludwick more often
that inning wouldn’t have happened
by BirdsonFire on Jul 3, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thurston....
Might be better at getting on base without the bat.
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thurston really ins't a bad hitter
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 3, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's a decent
fastball hitter. I’m impressed with his batting eye.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i'd say his willingness to take walks is his best quality
by kalmavet on Jul 3, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is totally overshadowed by
his bad defense, lack of power and inexcusable baserunning blunders
by kalmavet on Jul 3, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He plays bad defense
I would never have noticed…
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
by Taskmaster on Jul 3, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schumaker plays bad defense too
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that's not his fault!
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding
who amongst us could play great D with AZ’z laser beam eyes following our every move?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"He's undressing me with his lazer eye!"
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i knew lazer was spelled with a Z, stupid firefox spell check
lord help him if Az ever upgrades to XRay vision
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
I think it’s spelled with an S. I fucked up.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
impossible
women are never wrong
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You prince, you.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
an OPS of .680
indicates otherwise.
His only redeeming quality is the walks he can occasionally take.
by dcfcblues on Jul 3, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Followed by a 50% chance of making an out on the bases.
by DriverZn on Jul 3, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess he is no
a miles
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
by sportsman on Jul 3, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His BABIP is .268, depsite a LD rate over 23%
His walk rate is over 13% and his ISO isn’t terrible at about .130. His prOPS is .734 with a .364 OBP.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He came here with a nice
short swing. There is an element of desperation in his swing now. He is like the other prospectors now, hit a few shots and maybe stay around.
by OperaCard on Jul 3, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice comformation bias
Gdm, I’ll like Thurston again.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 3, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like I am making a mistake
I am trying to sell the couch I am currently sitting on
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ahh this lady is seriously try to haggle me
She is trying to buy my paintings.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wish
the Cardinals would always wear red caps.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what's up with the red caps & gray uni's?
i just noticed no blue caps. is this a 4th thing?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
The logos have the stars-n-stripes.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
switching around to the other games it appears every team has the red caps on
with stars on the team logo’s
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AL
just said “impractive.”
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
beautiful
I’m gonna add that to my arsenal of completely wrong words. it’ll fit in nicely with irregardless and hopingly
by TNTinCO on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopingly?
REALLY? That’s terrible.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I KNOW, right?!
I actually heard it in conversation – the guy said it multiple times. It was fantastic.
by TNTinCO on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha al just said bruce was like adam dunn cause he can't take a talk and only swings for the fences
does al know dunn takes tons of walks?
by kalmavet on Jul 3, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Al doesn't know much about anything
Everyone knows Dunn is the ultimate 3 true outcomes player.
by dcfcblues on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's
with the offset camera?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Boog's flashing some serious leather this season
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and his offense is much improved
i’m perfectly fine w/ him at ss as a cost-controlled young player
by kalmavet on Jul 3, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know
I still believe K-Greene can nail that job down when he comes back.
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
by Taskmaster on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think KBot will ever come back
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
given that he's on pace for a 4 win season
I hope that would be acceptable out of a guy making 400K.
I can’t believe that it’s July and he’s still on pace for a UZR/150 over 30.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright, Boog
let’s get this double lead-off thing going
by TNTinCO on Jul 3, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fireworks till the cops come tonight
My buddy parents owns a firework stand and gets copious amounts of fireworks.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Boo
g
the second we say good things about you, you go off & K
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OUCH
dude looked like he broke his legs
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ouch.
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My
biggest criticism of Ryan shows right there. No control, swinging too hard, like it was his at bat to look yard or extra bases. We have no role players.
by OperaCard on Jul 3, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the socks
should be mandatory.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I wear the same socks when I go to the Ballparks
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would think the frog would appreciate someone who is so good with their tongue
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boog is one of my favorite players
And I like socks. It was a joke. I was going to say flat bill but then we get into Anthony Reyes talks and those are never good.
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh Anthony, you still stir up trouble even when you are long gone
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your criticism would hold much more weight
if you made it BEFORE he did the specific action which you find indicative of him as a ballpayer.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok Sleepy
all the rest of his at bats this season with no one on, and 75% of the others.
by OperaCard on Jul 3, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except for the 85% in which it wasn't
and the 47% of the others. And the 18% of the times that were something else.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hairston is lucky he didn't destroy his knee cap
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or his wrist.
Easily coulda smashed it.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on Dunk, stop trying to pull everything
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That Duncan is something isn't he
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
by KYCards on Jul 3, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dive and yank...every time.
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Duncan in this lineup again?
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
anyone have a televised link that bypasses MLBs Asia blackout? Had an ESPN feed the other day that sort of worked.
Domo
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Find the old fanpost
that tells you how to get around blackouts
by cowcards on Jul 3, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
he has MLB.tv…
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks, URL was in hangul - not one of my languages. . . will keep trying - you're great resource, by the way. Super information.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Jul 3, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is in Korean
You can just google WDScore and you their translator to try to navigate the site.
P.S Thanks for the Compliment. I have a wide range of knowledge of random things.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duncan is a three true outcome player as well
he either
A.) Strikes out
B.) Walks
C.) Grounds out to the right side of the infield
Unfortunately, not the good third outcome, like Adam Dunn
by dcfcblues on Jul 3, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
except Dunn has 20 hr’s,61 walks, and 54 rbi’s
"I don't take no anesthetic. Did Lincoln ask for any girlie gas when they blowed his head off?"
by boba schrute on Jul 3, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the Nats have 22 wins
A. Dunn is a slacker. Can’t outhomer his team’s win total.
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by gocards62 on Jul 3, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus he hates America, Chevrolet & apple pie
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad glove+bad baserunning+slow feet+poor arm+no bat+daddy coach=starting leftfielder
"I don't take no anesthetic. Did Lincoln ask for any girlie gas when they blowed his head off?"
by boba schrute on Jul 3, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You are correct there
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
by KYCards on Jul 3, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
career OPS+ 111, returning from injury, two other slumping outfielders
you forgot these
by DanUpBaby on Jul 3, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How long are Cards fans going to trot out excuses for players who flat out suck?
It’s ridiculous. Duncan is a bad baseball player.. Period. Ankiel is a bad baseball player. He’s a guess hitter who can’t see the ball.
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The organization
is clearly not ready to give up on these bad baseball players. Pounding the floor all day isn’t going to change that.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup we just have to grin and bear it.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
by KYCards on Jul 3, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Putting your head in the sand isn't a solution. It just enables their suckitude.
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
think I’m putting my head in the sand just because I don’t whine about this all day long. Our outfielders have been seriously under-performing. I get that. What does complaining do exactly? Do you think the Cardinals base their decisions on fan mood? I hope they’re smarter than that.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we all knew this could happen with Dick & Dunk. they are what they are.
but Luddy having a bad year has just really made the OF situation worse.
and Colby not playing every day too
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to
as long as there are valid ones, and especially as long as people trot out the daddy’s-boy saw. did Dave Duncan also father John Mabry? Fernando Vina? Mike Matheny? All the other mediocrities, typically with less of a track record, who have gotten significant time on the team in the past?
I don’t appreciate insinuations without evidence, especially when they go so incautiously to the professionalism of a guy I respect.
by DanUpBaby on Jul 3, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are plenty of insinuations that Duncan is a bad baseball player
And you are the one conflating everyone who criticizes Duncan as being guilty of using nepotism as a reason he is playing.
I’ve seen one person in this exchange do so, and it wasn’t me, so I’d appreciate if you not continue to jump to wholly unfounded conclusions when you just chastised several people for doing that very thing.
That’s garbage.
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You replied to me replying to a guy who did
I didn’t make excuses because I really love Chris Duncan, I did because the guy included the nepotism line.
by DanUpBaby on Jul 3, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't say you did use nepotism.
It was, however, in the OP on the sub-thread. Therefore, it’s valid for him to refute that comment.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's an honest question
How many think Duncan would be a starter on the other 29 teams in baseball?
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
by KYCards on Jul 3, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe as 1B for the Giants
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd rec'd & rec'ed again
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not the other 29
but if another team in this situation—two other slumping outfielders, aware of his .850-ish OPS in the past—did not have Dave Duncan as their pitching coach I think the exact same thing would transpire, yes.
by DanUpBaby on Jul 3, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the best options in their minor leagues under performing or hurt
sadly we are stuck with him & Dick for the time being
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he just used the same kind of baseless shotgun tactics he was accusing others of using.
I also love the fact that we aren’t allowed to express displeasure over suboptimal management of a team that is subsidized through our money.
That’s rich.
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG
Keep whining.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stirring refutation.
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You
aren’t being reasonable so don’t expect me to try to appeal to you in that manner. You feel you are entitled to whine, so go ahead. I find that pursuit pointless after awhile.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm being perfectly reasonable. I'm also being logical
It’s perfectly acceptable to be critical of the management of this team. It’s sorely lacking
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You aren't being critical.
Critical is making a criticism. You’re complaining. AND, you’re saying that by my not complaining that I’m putting my head in the sand and enabling the front office.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Good Lord
It’s pretty obvious to see what I’m being critical of. He’s completely incapable ot hitting, playing defense, or running the bases.
He’s a 0 tool player, period. One need not rehash obvious facts ad infinitum when they are readily obvious to anyone who watches this team more than once a week.
Chris Duncan sucks, and it’s pretty easy to see why he sucks, and it’s pretty old to see the same excuses pop up over and over again.
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would you do if you were general manager?
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Duncan is really "as hurt" as everyone wants to create excuses for him being
1. DL him.
2. If he’s not, send him down. If he still can’t hit, DFA him or trade him for some low A long shot.
3. Play Rasmus and Ludwick everyday
4. Play DeRosa at third.
5. Call up Stavinoha as a 4th OF to platoon split with Ankiel.
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if
You can’t send him down to Memphis since he has no options?
DeRosa is hurt and Stav is worst than Duncan.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously DeRosa is hurt right now
And Stavinoha has played better than Duncan in limited opportunity, even if he’s a AAAA player.
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, he hasn't
stavinoha has a .602 OPS this year. Duncan has a .715, which is pitiful, but it’s better than .602. and their defense is pretty much a wash.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stav is barely a AAA player
He is hoping he becomes a AAAA some day
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DanUp
pointed out that Dunc’s career OPS+ is 111. But yeah, he’s completely useless.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So does Chris Shelton.
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What
are you looking for in this exchange?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An honest evaluation of what Chris Duncan brings to this baseball team
What is it?
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So my opinion,
which is different from yours, is dishonest? Look, we just disagree. We disagree on the merits, and we disagree on the tactics. The end.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying to find what your opinion is aside from the fact that
He has an artificially inflated OPS+ based on two hot months at the end of 2006
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's no such thing as an artificially inflated OPS+
his numbers are his numbers.
by DanUpBaby on Jul 3, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LAWL
So Chris Shelton is really an above league average hitter.
There’s a reason why they have a term called “aberration” in reference to statistics.
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's got OPSes of .979 and .917 in his last two AAA seasons
I suppose he might be.
by DanUpBaby on Jul 3, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he very well could be.
He’s been well above-average in both of the seasons in which he had more than a month’s worth of plate appearances.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you actually watched him play
You would have seen that he had a hot 6 weeks, followed by several months of regression to someone not good enough to hit ML pitching.
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did
he have a sports hernia followed by a severe neck injury?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Referring to Shelton above, not Duncan
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by Power Slurve on Jul 3, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
both years?
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My opinion,
in this sub-thread, is that people are whining.
My opinion on Duncan – which I’ve written about all over this website – is that he is recovering from spinal surgery. Technically speaking, he is no longer injured. As someone w/ a neck injury, and someone who is married to man who had spinal surgery, I know that it takes TIME to recover completely. Range of motion and strength are usually diminished for at least a year post-surgery.
The dude has no power, is clearly freaking out about it, and is having a hard time right now. He has a good eye, usually has professional plate appearances (unlike Ankiel), and can draw walks in front of Albert, something hard to come by with this group.
He’s being played too much b/c Ludwick, Rasmus, and Ankiel have had uneven seasons (to say the least). He should be in Memphis until he’s hitting with authority. But he’s NOT. He’s HERE. And freaking out about it does NOTHING.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright, honest assessment:
He brings a very useful platoon bat, at least when he’s healthy. It appears he is not, so more specifically at this very moment he brings an outfielder who is not Nick Stavinoha or Shane Robinson.
Given the Cardinals’ dearth of options in the outfield I think it’s too soon to give up on him as a productive player, even within this season. He should not be playing as much as he has, but since the Cardinals’ other three outfielders can play center (to varying degrees of effectiveness) he’s an interesting fourth outfielder for this team to have around.
by DanUpBaby on Jul 3, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's ok to do it
just not every 5 fucking minutes.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is the last I'm going to write about it
I made excuses based on the OP. You criticized people making excuses. I gave my reasons for making them. I was not criticizing you, I was responding to your question re: how long Cardinals fans are going to make excuses.
by DanUpBaby on Jul 3, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that charges of nepotism are unfair and worn-out
but I’ve only seen one person mention in this particular thread. Most of us complaining about Duncan and Ankiel and complaining based on what we are observing this year regarding their performance.
Regarding Duncan, he had 2 skills—getting on base and power. His power is gone, period. Maybe he’s still hurt? I don’t know. The point is, if he’s not mashing the ball his value plummets and fan frustration is inevitable and understandable.
The other players you mentioned for the most part made up for their offensive shortcomings in other ways—especially Matheny. Also, I don’t remember any of them earning starts over much more deserving young players, which adds to our collective frustration. This of course should be directed at Tony more than Duncan, but Duncan is obv caught in the cross-hairs.
but for my money, ankiel is far more frustrating to watch at the plate right now than Duncan
by kalmavet on Jul 3, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
after his surgery
They said it could be a full year before he starts seeing his power come back. Though he did hit a few HRs early and got everyone’s hopes up.
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i remember that
and i try to keep that in mind. this gets at the bigger issue of the cardinals treatment of injuries
by kalmavet on Jul 3, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
It doesn’t. Duncan had a radical spinal surgery for a professional athlete. No one knows what to expect. Essentially, he’s a walking experiment.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean to say
that for a pro athlete he’s an experiment. He’d have had a similar (or the same) surgery if he was a non-athlete.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should be walking in memphis
it’s totally & completely unfair that the Cards are expecting him to preform how he did in 06 so soon after major spine surgery
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don't think he was rushed back from said injury?
or that he shouldn’t have at least started at Memphis? this team almost always rushes players back. the general track record regarding the recognition, diagnosis, treatment and rehab of injuries is awful, utterly awful
by kalmavet on Jul 3, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have
said repeatedly that I think Duncan should be in Memphis. I am just as critical as anyone about these decisions. I am not going to single Duncan out, though. Our entire team has been anemic offensively. At least Duncan has a physical reason.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it is not his choice
It is up to Moz who also is limited by his options of someone actually having to replace him. I also don’t even know his options in regards to minors. He might have to pass through waivers possibly.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotcha
i wasn’t trying to call ya out or anything. i can’t remember who says what :)
i’d rather have duncan w/ his ability to draw a walk than ankiel.
Re memphis: does Duncan have options left? that might explain why he’s never mentioned as a candidate for getting straightened out there
by kalmavet on Jul 3, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he has one option left.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on this it makes sense to complain
he should be in AAA getting his cuts in, not MLB. but it’s almost certainly got little to do with nepotism.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jul 3, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who do you suggest
we use as our 4th outfielder?
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the rub...
Who is the person supposed to replace Duncan? Shane Robinson?
That Duncan bashing thread suggested that league average OFers were obtained easily, but I don’t see many of them available for what the Cardinals have to offer – they got DeRosa for their best trading block.
by DiscoJer on Jul 3, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a fair question for sure
offensively isn’t duncan better than ankiel right now? are either of them actually healthy? would you take Stavi?
the perfect solution is probably a pipe dream but …
1. Glaus at 3b
2. Derosa at 2b
3. Skip in LF
by kalmavet on Jul 3, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I highly dislike
Stav and Robinson
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they'd have almost no value in an organization not so LH dominant
or, if they hit left-handed would either have ever been called up?
by kalmavet on Jul 3, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just pray that Jon Jay gets his act together
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 3, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
based on at-bats though is Duncan actually used as a 4th OF?
i’m just curious what the typical 4th OF gets for playing time on other teams
by kalmavet on Jul 3, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the kind that don't go on the DL
when two guys on the depth cart due?
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess we'd have to figure out how many at-bats he's getting since everyone was considered "healthy"
i don’t know the answer. I suspect he’s used more than the typical 4th OF
by kalmavet on Jul 3, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony uses all of his bench players more than most managers
But all of the other outfielders had more PA than Duncan last month.
by Evilfrog on Jul 3, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on this team
Duncan should be the fourth outfielder. I think that Ras and Ludwick need to be in the lineup everyday, except for sheduled rest, and until there is another option Ankiel should be in there. If Dunc and Ank are both hitting jack squat then you look at what else they might be able to bring to the table. And if it’s not offense then it has to be defense. Ankiel has a good glove, a great arm, and wheels. Duncan doesnt even come close. And management acknowledges that Ankiels defense is fine by never considering taking him out for defensive replacements. AT this point Duncan isnt offering anything. Tony has said concerning the rotation that the best 5 would be starting. All I’m saying is that the standard should aply to the position players too. IF Duncan were providing some power noone would be searching for reasons why he’s out there. I guess back to your question, to me Duncan doesnt seem like a fourth outfielder, it seems like he’s used almost as a starter sharing time with 3 other guys who are of equal value.
"I don't take no anesthetic. Did Lincoln ask for any girlie gas when they blowed his head off?"
by boba schrute on Jul 3, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is
that Rasmus and Ankiel and Ludwick have all had injuries which have forced Chris into more playing time.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Bombs & the rest at Memphs have been hurt and/or under performing
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's been a mess.
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by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definately
But he’s getting more than his fair share of time when Ras or Lud could be playing and it’s unexplainable. Why would we have Ank and Dunc in the order on the same night unless it’s absolutely needed? Unless Ras is having some more issues then he should be staring tonight.
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by boba schrute on Jul 3, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible
there is a legitimate reason for sitting Colby. We don’t know what it is. But it’s possible.
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by spants on Jul 3, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't remember what our rotation order is
can someone help me out with who will most likely be the scheduled starter next Saturday vs the Cubs at Wrigley? I’m going to be at the game, and i’m hoping it’s not Wellemeyer.
by dcfcblues on Jul 3, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Time for the bats to WAKE UP!
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by gocards62 on Jul 3, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i can't believe the Cards have been in 1st place for 859 days since 2000
the FSNNatti just put up a graphic showing it’s the most number of days leading a division in the majors over that time
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
was that a backhanded TLR compliment?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 3, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me?
no. considering how the last few season have gone, i would think that number would be less. i know they were ahead a lot earlier in the decade.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 3, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs