Vote on the VEB T-Shirt - UPDATE 3
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 29, 2009 6:02 PM EDT
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Lots of good ideas where posted on the last thread but now we need to get the ball rolling. I am just going to post all the T-shirt ideas that were posted in the last thread as posts. Just rec the one you think the one is the best. Also, if you like a front but not the back vice versa SAY SO. I like to get this hammered out by Saturday.
Also, We still need a place to get these made. I prefer a place with easy online ordering but open to anything. I might personally just screen print myself one.
So this is my first attempt at making the T-shirt. I think it turned out pretty good. Going to print red on powder blue shirt soon also. Will hopefully have pics for that soon. I have deceided to just sell the Che shirts myself and put Hardcore Legend's black shirt up on CafePress. I will probably sell the shirts for $15+shipping. I can do pretty much what ever color's you want to mix and match with the Che. Black on Red, Red on Blue, Black on Blue,....
P.S I know I missed an exclamation point.
P.S.S Those lines went away they were just temporary from ironing.
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I'd love this one on red.
Not sure how the contrast would work out, but it feels wrong not wearing red to a Cards game.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Jul 29, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love this design.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 29, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This would be FAN-TASTIC on red.
If possible, of course.
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."
-Patrick Ewing
by Thelonious Dunk on Jul 30, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it in black personally
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 30, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would look shitty on red.
Black, white, or grey are all preferable.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 30, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would not wear a black cardinals shirt
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 30, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by gdm426 on Jul 30, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about grey?
This shirt would look good with a big red 67 on the back, too.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 30, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about a shirt with grey material with a black rectangle on the front,
with the art within the rectangle? i like the black/red contrast, but yeah, an all-black T-shirt is sometimes not what you want.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 31, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good idea.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 2, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
White or grey would be classy as well.
I just can’t get used to the idea of a black Cards shirt.
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."
-Patrick Ewing
by Thelonious Dunk on Jul 31, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could throw this design on the back
With the URL and merge 2 designs.
Just a thought.
"I will grow a mustache bigger than Wyatt Earp's if we keep winning," - Adam Wainwright
by Beware the Molinas on Jul 31, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this idea.
And the URL should definitely appear somewhere on the shirt.
by mojo7102 on Aug 1, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best
but would prefer it on gray.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 1, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tried this on gray first... But
To me it just didn’t look right on Gray. It needs a darker color to reflect off of. What about Away Blue?
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 3, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I still personally like black but this looks pretty solid
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 3, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that this was suggested last time
and that it was nixed because the image was copyrighted.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Aug 3, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you think it would work with just
“Viva El Birdos” on the back
as opposed to the URL (the www. and the .com)
i agree with some of the others that a URL makes it look cheap
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
by BVHeck on Aug 5, 2009 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it needs a www and .com
Most people when they see “Viva El Birdos” do not think of this web page. They don’t know what they are looking at. It might take away from part of the appeal of the shirt but also add’s advertisement. I think the URL is a must
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 5, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Pretty much FML any time Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.
by Cardinals645 on Jul 30, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my fav
....my quick smells like french toast...
by mstreeter06 on Jul 31, 2009 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love it
+1
"I don't believe what I just saw!" ~ Jack Buck
by itsalemmon1019 on Aug 2, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is my favorite
Simple, and awesome. I agree with those below who like the “Che” t-shirt without the website on it (or maybe on the sleeve)
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 29, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I LIke This One...
…it has a cow.
;=8)
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Jul 31, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ox
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just Gonna Pretend...
…it’s a cow.
:=8)
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 4, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An ox
is a castrated bull whose been trained to lead a team, no?
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
by Titus Pullo on Aug 5, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+2
"If you believe in telekinesis, raise my hand."
by tigr on Aug 2, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like a wee bit of credit here
My idea, Saxum’s (near-flawless) execution.
by Andyfantastic on Jul 29, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Well a rec for you as well.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
by effin fisk on Jul 29, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Credit where it's due, of course
:)
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05jP8GK18Adeh/610x.jpg
by EsemplasticSaxum on Aug 4, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The STL logo is very much copyrighted
the VEB logos I used, the copyright is in question.
This shirt would have to exist without the STL.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 29, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I saw just replace the Cardinal STL with just STL spelled out in some old english font. Been meaning to do it but just slipping my mind
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 29, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if the logo was another picture of Fredbird?
Or: Is the Sunday hat copyrighted?
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 29, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sunday hat
is copyrighted, I’m sure.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 30, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about
the bird in the current VEB logo on the hat?
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Aug 1, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can we do this one without the URL?
It just makes the shirt look . . . cheap.
Otherwise, it’s an amazing design.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Jul 29, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the URL
could be placed on the sleeve or on the back instead. I definitely don’t like that font mixing with the front of the shirt.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 29, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sleeve might look good
but honestly, do we even need it? I kind of like the mystery element of a bunch of people wearing these shirts with no URL.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Jul 29, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It should be on there.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 30, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The url needs to be on there.
How about in small print just below the neck on the back? I have a couple shirts like that and they look great.
by jeepnut on Aug 2, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i might try something like that
I just need to find photo emulsion stuff locally and i can start my screems
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 2, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why does it "need" to be on there?
This shirt is pretty unofficial as it is, so it’s not like the point is to market the site. The point is to display our pride as members of the community. You don’t need a url to do that. A URL makes it look like some free giveaway swag you got for signing up.
I mean, honestly, what’s the point? It’s not like it adds anything to the design.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Aug 2, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just seems silly
to make a shirt for a website community and not include the website.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 2, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I am going to do jeepnut's idea
I like the simple www.vivaelbirdos.com at the top of the shirt with nothing else on the back. Hobby Lobby is closed on Sunday so I will stop by on Monday than start on the stencil
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 2, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that idea, too.
I have all of the screen-printing stuff. I’m just being lazy.
Also, might I suggest a trial run on an old t-shirt? If you do a good job on the stencil, it can be used more than once.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 2, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I have a couple shirts to try it on
Old shirt
2 new short sleeves
A polo
I really want to see how it looks on a Polo
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 2, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you use for the actual frame and mesh?
Do you buy your stuff or make it?
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 2, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bought everything.
I figured it was a one-time investment and would probably hold up.
Come to think of it… I think my husband tried making something first and it was a hassle for some reason. I’ll ask him when he gets home.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 2, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bought a frame and fine mesh sheet
At Goodwill. I think they will be fine.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 2, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i like it w. no url
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want this shirt.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 29, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you make it
I want one.
I agree that while the vivaelbirdos.com URL should be on there, it should be less prominent.
by birdlandkustl on Jul 30, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly like this one the best
But it needs a few changes. The STL logo has to be changed to something simply says “STL”. The URL needs to be gone. What this shirt needs is good looking back. Somewhere inbetween arch supports and my own back’s
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 30, 2009 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not change the STL
To a VEB of some sort? Wouldn’t that make more sense? I would put the website on the sleeve of the shirt and you could do a number of things on the back of it:
- You know Dan, it really is!
- Improving the VORP of Cardinals fans since 20** (whenever the site was created)
- Where’s my Frankilns?
You could also just leave it blank and let people personalize the back with a number and their own name or another name.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 30, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it needs anything on the back
Actually, I’d prefer it not to have anything on the back
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 30, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be okay with the URL on the back.
But nothing else.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 30, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I am the only one that feels the ode to the year 67
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 30, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The thing with the
Fredbird/Che parody is that it needs to be minimalist.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 30, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to probably make a screen print of this tonight
I am going to put it on a red polo to see how it looks. Have not decided what I am going to do for the back yet
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 30, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my vote is this design for the front
with arch support’s “back” design on the back.
by mattyp on Jul 30, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
Sign me up for a preorder as soon as production is green-lighted.
"Every epoch dreams its successor" - Jules Michelet
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 31, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
would def buy this
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Che-bird
gets my vote.
URL on sleeve. Nothing on the back. I’d kinda prefer the current VEB logo typeface used instead of the stencils, but not a biggie.
I do kind of wonder about the copyright issues of using Fredbird’s face there. I hope it isn’t an issue.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Aug 1, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since it's a parody, I don't think it's an issue.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 1, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't this Soviet Kitch
by Regina Spektor, with Fred Bird spliced in?
Nope, I guess it’s different.
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
by Titus Pullo on Aug 5, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the basic design
Although I think there needs to be some mention of the Cardinals on the back and maybe extend out the front logo to include the URL.
Maybe:
VIVA
EL
BIRDOS
.COM
Maintain the VEB out front, but add the .COM to the bottom.
If you can’t legally add Cardinals to the list on the back, maybe add a ST. LOUIS to make it clear that it is for a Cardinals website.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on Jul 30, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the word Cardinal's can be copywrited
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 30, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting warmer...
I like the back. The front could use some fine-tuning…maybe an image, and move the URL to the back under the word baseball
"I will grow a mustache bigger than Wyatt Earp's if we keep winning," - Adam Wainwright
by Beware the Molinas on Jul 30, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Left Front Chest Emblem
has been my preference since ‘No Fear’ and ‘Big Johnson’ in high school.
"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey.
The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary
by saveferris on Aug 6, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flim
It might not win but it is very creative.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is my favorite
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Aug 3, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flim,
you may want to check with BigJawnMize, I think he was working this up into a full T-Shirt as well…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 29, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figure if anyone wants to do an idea
They can just post a pic of it
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 29, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a good start...
Click over to the photo bucket link for a better look.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k110/bigjawnmize/veb.jpg
Or course When i am done this would look very professional. Of similar quality to the FutureRedbids work I did.
The shirts would be red. The letters would be gold on a navy background with white piping. The shortstop is wearing more of trucker hat and the stir-ups. Sort of a Ryan homage. The thought is to draw a first baseman, covering most of the .com portion of the tag wearing boots and a beaten up cowboy hat with a jersey that has “el hombre 5” on the back.
by BigJawnMize on Jul 30, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It seems to have great potential
If it just gets cleaned up and finsihed
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 30, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is awesome.
It would make a great bumper sticker, too.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 30, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks good.
"I will grow a mustache bigger than Wyatt Earp's if we keep winning," - Adam Wainwright
by Beware the Molinas on Jul 31, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this one could be really cool when it's done...
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 4, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My top two
archsupport’s and bigjawnmize’s nascent idea. Just need to have the sliding bird quoting Big Lebowski or something.
And the shirt must be red.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Jul 30, 2009 1:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i would go with
the red eye shirt and the che shirt both, i’m sure there are some decent options online to print up shirts.
by lopey986 on Jul 30, 2009 2:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the eye and che
are my favs. if we get the che one wifey is requesting one too
by FunkeeC on Jul 30, 2009 2:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whither moar sinkers?
I thought that was gonna be a possible design but it was kind late so maybe I am remembering incorrectly.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 30, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind I was confused
It was a logo design.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 30, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the che one
another good one would be something similar, but blue and red mimicing the Obama “HOPE” campaign posters with Fredbird instead of Obama
by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HOPE sounds more like a Cubs t-shirt to me.
by arch support on Jul 31, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't we leave politics out of this too?
and i’m not wearing anything that resembles a che shirt.
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by gdm426 on Jul 31, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's only political if you make it political
I just like the design.
by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how can it not be taken as political if it's looks just like an obama poster or a che shirt?
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by gdm426 on Jul 31, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn enter button
i’m not trying to pick a fight, just asking. i can’t be the only one that put 2&2 together am i?
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by gdm426 on Jul 31, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because it's not political
it has nothing to do with Obama. It’s just stealing the design.
by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess i'm the only one who thinks using the same design
means you are a fan & agree with his policies
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by gdm426 on Jul 31, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That type
of design may have been popularized by the Obama campaign, but it hardly started there. The Fredbird instead of Che thing is BRILLIANT, and actually parodies politics.
As far as between the two, there is no question for me which shirt I’d rather wear: Chebird.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 31, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright, guess i'm wrong on this one
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by gdm426 on Aug 1, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
commie
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 3, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Fredbird instead of Che thing parodies hipsters if you ask me
Fred-bama would parody politics. I don’t think I’ve ever known anyone who’s worn the Che t-shirt that knew what he stood for. It’s all about looking cool. That’s why I’m such a big fan of Che-bird.
And I agree. I’d totally wear Che-bird.
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 1, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally disagree
Using “his” design doesn’t mean you agree with his policies. Regardless of how you feel about big O, the Che-bama design Fritz posted is more of a play on his marketing than his politics.
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 1, 2009 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Err, Fred-bama
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 1, 2009 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't use the word HOPE
use the word BIRDOS
by dcfcblues on Jul 31, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ehh
I like Che-bird better
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Alex
I agree though. Che-bird wins.
by dcfcblues on Aug 1, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like CheBird
I think it would look great on the back with the Arch Support front or on the front with the Flim 67 back . I’m looking forward to getting one. Nice work everyone!
by nmstar on Jul 31, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we can have more than one T-Shirt
The Che Shirt has been the overall favorite. But who is to say we can’t have more than one. The biggest problem is where to get these shirts made.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 2, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two ideas:
CafePress and Zazzle.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 2, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big fan of Zazzle
I’ve used them multiple times for work events and golf outings and they always come out looking nice, there’s no hassle, and I’ve never had a problem with an order. Never used CafePress although I’ve heard good things about them too..
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 3, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Zazzle has red T-shirts
At least I couldn’t find any
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 3, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
closest from zazzle is maroon for $22
http://www.zazzle.com/cr/design/pt-shirt?style=basic_dark_tshirt&color=maroon
cafe press has both red and maroon for $22
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&no=152#
by brackenthebox on Aug 4, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Che and Bravo
Either one is great. Hmm…
Che in Red = home
Bravo in Gray = away
Instead of STL on Che…how about ’67?
I also dig that VEB “arch support” logo.
Great jobs guys. Can’t wait to get one and wear it to a game here in Houston…
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
by TBender on Aug 2, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will try the 67 instead of the STL
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 3, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has the deadline for submission passed yet?
If you don’t mind, I might be able to throw something together for this…
by vexedtechie on Aug 3, 2009 2:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heck, I was bored this evening...here's a quick submission...if it's too late, sorry...
by vexedtechie on Aug 3, 2009 4:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Link to Original...
I think I could probably make the white pop out more, I’m thinkin’ on a shirt, it would look great on wither white or black… I can throw out previews if you want for that…
by vexedtechie on Aug 3, 2009 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would this look like on the back or sleeve of a shirt?
Love the idea, but I think it might work better as a compliment to something else rather than it’s own thing…
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by fourstick on Aug 3, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it for a sticker.
Or a hat.
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by spants on Aug 3, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the back of the Che shirt??
Hearing something about a beef with the url on the back?
by vexedtechie on Aug 3, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This will not go on the back of the Che Shirt
A simple URL is all that is needed.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 3, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could we get away with that?
I’m not too versed on copyright/trademark laws
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 3, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably could with a little more work
needs a little more to distinguish itself, maybe drop/alter the crown
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by themanthemyth on Aug 3, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, no lovin' on what I consider some of my better work...lol
by vexedtechie on Aug 3, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looks great.
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by spants on Aug 3, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I made a Viva El Birdos Cafe Press Store
Nothing added yet. But here it is
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 3, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My Shirt...
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 4, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
drat, here is the link
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41137811@N02/3789611410/
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 4, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And the back...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41137811@N02/3789611414/
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 4, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Love the "67" design, Flim!
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the STL better..
other than that i want this shirt!
by jermo on Aug 4, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the hat blank.
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by spants on Aug 4, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of agree
I’d like it blank or the St. Louis Stars version of the STL—everything else is perfect!
by nmstar on Aug 4, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys are killing me
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 4, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never gonna make everyone
100% happy. Lock this design down.
I like the 67 and the stenciled URL, BTW.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Aug 4, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
67 or nothing, I say
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 4, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
54° 40’ or Fight!
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by Alxfritz on Aug 5, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's going way back!
How about a blank cap then (or at least a different font for the 67)?
by nmstar on Aug 5, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if it was the all knowing
Cardinals eye?
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by Alxfritz on Aug 5, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am sticking with 67
Decisions had to be made
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 5, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are there going to be color options?
I think this baby would look awesome in powder blue. Thanks for organizing this/pulling it all together.
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by all4tookie on Aug 5, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn't happen to be a fan of powder blue shirts, would you?
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 5, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
::looks around::
You are creepy, how could you tell?
Seriously though, should I be embarrassed that I am wearing one now? And that when I get home from work the only thing I have clean is a powder blue cards t-shirt with the world series banners on the back?
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by all4tookie on Aug 5, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya like caravans?
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by tom s. on Aug 5, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Took me awhile to understand what you said
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 6, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Periwinkle blue
Proper fucked
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by Solanus on Aug 12, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yalike dargs?
dargs?
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by Felonius_Monk on Aug 12, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a big fan of powder blue as well
Need to add to the collection. I currently have two powder blue t-shirts, one of which is a Montreal Expos shirt (purchased AFTER they were no longer the Montreal Expos).
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 6, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I personally make the T-shirts
Than it won’t be a problem to put it a powder blue. I just have to find some place locally that has blank powder blue shirts but that won’t be that hard.
The problem is online T-shirt custom t-shirt shops. I have been rather underwhelmed with the quality of online T-shirt shops. Not a lot of choice of color for T-shirts and I haven’t read good things in terms of quality.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So something like this
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ahhh it chopped it half
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This design is perfect for a powder blue print online
The dark shirts (e.g. red) almost always suck, but the light ones (including light blue) usually work pretty well, particularly with a monochromatic design such as this.
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?clear=true&no=7#
by brackenthebox on Aug 6, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is all about that blue
Light blue is close but isn’t powder blue
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see powder blue with Red Print
If that is possible at all. Obviously don’t want to create incremental work for you if you are printing them yourself – if no one else is interested I could probably get it done myself.
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by all4tookie on Aug 6, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would look shitty.
UNLESS it had a black outline.
Hell, might as well do it in full color with a yellow beak and all.
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by spants on Aug 6, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize this is the older version but this is what I had in mind...
(older one was too grainy without access to the file) – looks good to me.
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by all4tookie on Aug 6, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*newer one was too grainy I mean
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by all4tookie on Aug 6, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does look good.
I sit corrected.
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by spants on Aug 6, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do have a powder blue fetish
so I’m not exactly an impartial judge of t-shirt aesthetics, but I think this works
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by all4tookie on Aug 6, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it isn't that big of a deal to do it in red
Just wash out the stencil and use red instead. If someone else besides you wants the powder blue in red I will do it.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just in case anyone asks
a powder blue CheBird does not look good on a red shirt
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the 67 even supposed to stand for?
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by azruavatar on Aug 6, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
old folk
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by azruavatar on Aug 6, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep--before my time as well
and if I’m not mistaken the catch phrase of that team is the name of this site!
by nmstar on Aug 6, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I am saying
Viva El Birdos is the name of 67’ Cardinals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sigh
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhhh
I understand now.
You might be surprised how little I know about baseball outside of the last 15 years.
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by azruavatar on Aug 6, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I knew that from Larry's old post on it
just forgot.
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by azruavatar on Aug 6, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's take a time machine
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First Attempt at Screen Print
Fail
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sad.
What happened?
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by spants on Aug 6, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did a poor job at applying the emulsion
Tried pouring some on than squeeging it around. It was a mess. When I put it out with the image in the sun it just didn’t come out right.
I just did a smaller second attempt and this seemed to turn out all right. I applied the emulsion by brush and it was a lot smoother and cleaner. I did the actual photo emulsion under an indoor halogen light. This one looks better than the first. I am just letting it dry off now before I try it out.
The smaller one is the url so I am going to just try it on some old T-shirts.
I assumed it would fail the first couple times. It is always difficult to get something right the very first time.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah.
I didn’t realize you were doing photo emulsion.
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by spants on Aug 6, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How else would I do it?
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could make a stencil.
But that would be a pain.
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by spants on Aug 6, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought of a stencil at first
But it would of been to much trouble to be worth the sub quality end result
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd attempt
It went smooth like the second. Currently drying and will burn the image on the canvas later
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So this is my idea so far
I think I am going to just make the Che shirts myself. They are simple enough being one color. Should not be that much money around $15 for the shirt. I can either do the shirt on red or baby blue. Really any color should not be to much of a problem.
I will put HL’s shirt on Cafepress.com because it is multiple colors. CP only lets you put one design of a t-shirt up at a time. So this will allow us to have two different designs for T-shirts.
I should have a done version of the Che T-shirt up tonight.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the blue one
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 6, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Black Ink or Red?
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
red
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the '67
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 6, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like cheesecake.
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by Alxfritz on Aug 6, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
fluffy or dense?
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by azruavatar on Aug 6, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If done well,
it should be a little of both.
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by spants on Aug 6, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't had cheesecake in a while
but I emphatically prefer a dense cheesecake. And nothing with seedy berries (strawberry namely) as a topping. Cherry. Always Cherry.
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by azruavatar on Aug 6, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not a fan of cherries
I like blackberries on my cheesecake
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blackberries are good
but they’re pretty darn seedy.
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by mattybobo on Aug 6, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am a berry man to the bone
I eat large amounts of all sorts of berries. I go through pounds of berries each week
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like dense
cheesecake, too. You don’t want it to be airy. But you don’t want it chewy either.
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by spants on Aug 6, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what my first girlfriend taught me
of TWMFGTM
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by all4tookie on Aug 6, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i cook mine in a water bath
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To avoid messing with that,
I just turn the oven off and let it sit in there for an hour. No cracking!
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by spants on Aug 6, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can get away with putting a pan of water on the lower grate in your oven.
keeps the humidity up.
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by tom s. on Aug 6, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(implication missed?)
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 6, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I get it. Seems a little fuzzy.
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by spants on Aug 6, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
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by all4tookie on Aug 6, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i feel the crust is under rated and generally poorly done
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I CONCUR.
I need a bit of crust in every bite.
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by Alxfritz on Aug 6, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 6, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 to your +1
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by mattyfrommo on Aug 6, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have found mixing mixing cold butter with graham crackers
Makes for a good crusty. The cold butter mixed add’s a somewhat flaky bits of deliciousness
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Chris Duncan was still on this team
I wanted to make a blank Chris Duncan humping t-shirt with stick on different things of what he is humping
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A success wrapped in a failure
Sigh
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sad.
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by spants on Aug 6, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just got done scrubbing over the Viva El Birdos
I can’t believe I did that. So close but so far away. Overall though I am happy with how it is turning out so far
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 6, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't wait to see the finished product!
by nmstar on Aug 6, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Negative Chebird
is creeepy.
Nice work, Flim and kudos for all the time and effort you’ve put into this. I’m looking forward to enhancing my wardrobe with official VEB apparel!
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Aug 6, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Negative chebird is creepy" = awesome sentence to be taken out of context
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Aug 9, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just redid the Viva
Just need to let it dry than touch up than it will good to go
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 7, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did a screen print of the Che
Overall not to bad looking. Still had a few holes to patch. Reapplied some emulsion to touch up. Just letting it dry. I want this T-shirt done today before I go off to my hotel at 3.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 8, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1967
most have probably already read this, but just for those who havent (or havent googled it):
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/story/2006/6/20/94414/4461
an excellent post about ancient cardinals time from a VEB poster of yore.
by krippledmaster on Aug 7, 2009 1:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
probably way too late for this idea
but for the che shirt, it would be cool to have the “vivaelbirdos” arched across the top of the back with “67” below it. jersey style
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Aug 7, 2009 1:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and
use the font from the ’67 jerseys
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Aug 7, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
???
I hope every shirt isn’t going to have a pocket in the front…..
by jermo on Aug 10, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no
Those are just what I had on hand.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 10, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd (provisionally) love a chebird one
not sure what the best plan is re:postage out of the USA, though? I live in the UK…
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by Felonius_Monk on Aug 12, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think the shipping will be $12.95
I have to go the Post Office today so I will ask them
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 12, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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