Cardinals Still Acquire Matt Holliday Overflow Thread
by DanUpBaby on Jul 24, 2009 4:23 PM EDT
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I suggest we flip this thread for Lincecum/Cain.
I hear the Giants are looking….
Decrease runs scored?
Maybe.
Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
-SFTU
They have stated they only want Game threads
and no overflows
I'm the guy that does his job, you must be the other guy.
by The_teague on Jul 24, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Our Houston game threads havent performed since April
No one wants them.
I'm the guy that does his job, you must be the other guy.
by The_teague on Jul 24, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think chuckb clicks leftie and rightie.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
He's a switchclicker?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 24, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Listen, by now they gotta need
an outfielder with a plus arm.
Question:
is burning john mozeliak in electronic effigy over the line?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
If it's in cartoon form, then, no, I don't think so.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
a rule of thumb
if your actions toward john mozeliak would potentially incite a riot if performed in a public space, SBN cannot take responsibility.
by DanUpBaby on Jul 24, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
dude, you're the one telling everybody that the trade was made and giving them a forum.
that’s far closer to inciting a riot than i’ve ever come.
also, bad news. my attempt to burn his electronic cartoon effigy seems to have damaged my screen.
maybe pixelated fire next time?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
you live and you learn
if you had messed with the lens flare filter in photoshop long enough you might have started a jpg fire, depending on how sunny it is outside.
FIRE FIRE FIRE FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mo
(not really)
by brackenthebox on Jul 24, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay just to recap:
OMGFTFAWTF%@$^%$^
Okay I guess we’re probably going to make the playoffs now.
Mo=HItler
Beane=Hitler?
We can’t know anything because we weren’t there and we JUST DON’T KNOW.
Decrease runs scored?
Maybe.
Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
-SFTU
If Beane is Hitler than Mo = Poland?
Bean can just waltz in and take what he wants.
by TheBirds on Jul 24, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
didn't we exhaust a Hungarian analogy the other night
That was plenty violent…
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Atleast Brett got something he wanted
he gets to play for his hometown team….
….until Billy deals him for something else.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
we need to get the red baron on the line
so he can figure out which line drive-hitting bad body guy with preternatural plate discipline the cardinals will be drafting in 2011 and trading for jemile weeks.
Just to reiterate, tonight's lineup really is:
1) Lugo, 2B
2) DeRosa, 3B
3) Pujols, 1B
4) Holliday, LF
5) Ludwick, RF
6) Molina, C
7) Ankiel, CF
8) Ryan, SS
9) Pineiro, P
Rasmus really is sitting, again, in favor of Rick Ankiel.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
if i had told anyone in march that we would start that lineup this season, they would have
cyber-committed me.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Huh
AP, Molina, Ankiel, and Ryan are all homegrown, and you could argue Luddy is too, in a way.
That means not counting the pitcher 4 or 5 out of 8 starters are homegrown. I’d bet that compares pretty favorably to most of the other potential playoff teams.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
You could also call Skip homegrown.....
And he’ll start for Lugo more often than not.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
or typing "time to steady the ship, Piñeiro"
help us piñata, you’re our only hope
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Seriously, Mo may be forced to trade Ank so that Colby can play.
Decrease runs scored?
Maybe.
Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
-SFTU
And then will be murdered by TLR in his office
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
it seems to be the only thing that works!
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Wrong,
we’ll then trade Motte, Todd, and Lynn for Fuentes. That will appease TLR.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
don't even joke
One of these days it’ll really happen.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
We'll just contract a minor league team
After completing a series of 3 for 1 trades, we’ll be an entire roster short.
You guys have noticed that ...
Ankiel has had a pretty decent last week, and Colby has been struggling. Anybody could use a day off when they’re struggling, and Colby’s no exception. Chill a little bit on the shrill tone for a night.
He's getting too many days off
for a lot of us.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
He's played the last 7 straight games.
I think the kid is the regular CF, but he’s also a struggling rookie at the moment. If you’re going to have Ankiel on the team, then it seems like a decent idea to keep him rolling as he’s starting to come out of his funk. Now is probably not the time to sit him and make him question himself again.
He's not starting enough
for a lot of us. Better?
He’s a streaky hitter. Let him play through it.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
That's not LaRussa's MO, though.
He’s not going to do that. You, I, and everybody else here knows how LaRussa puts his teams together. He plays the hot hand. He doesn’t trust young players. He thinks they have to be baby-sat.
I understand the frustration, but I’m ok with this decision tonight.
Again, I will also reiterate I will be beginning Ankiel's strikeout countdown during his first at-bat right here on VEB.
Back to you BGH at VEB studios.
I'm the guy that does his job, you must be the other guy.
Ankiel
He has struck out 19 times in 66 PAs vs. LHPers this season, or, a 28% rate. What does it say that I expected that rate to be higher?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I was at the Washington game last night
I nearly fell out of my seat laughing when Ank got his HR. Fortunately, he struck out the next two times to the plate, and the order of the universe was restored.
as long as Ras keeps disappointing us
By going for those Philly cheesesteaks at 2am, we have no choice but to go with the proven veteran.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Slick Rick hit a dinger last night,
on second look I’m not exactly surprised Tony has him in today, plus there’s the “I’m smarter than you” factor that’s always there.
by Rep the High Socks on Jul 24, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, we got a shiny
new LF but the same old insanity in the dugout.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 24, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, I just seen this on the press conference
AAAAAAAAHhhhhhhhhhhhh, why do you put ankiel in Center!!!??!?!?!?! g/d tony dude, we just trade for Holliday and you stick fucking Ankiel in center——————heads explodes
by from First to Third on Jul 24, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew this would happen
now that we’ve “solved” our LF problem. Rasmus on the pine so we can look at more of Slick Rick!
Transaction Oracle post
Szymborski is bullish on Wallace long-term, like everybody else in the world, but short-term Wallace is less impressive.
If Macho Man Randy Savage taught me anything
Without the help of Hulk Hogan, we were never going to win this deal:
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions
Who Macho Man Randy Savage couldn't defeat
until Miss Elizabeth went and got Hulk Hogan, who took the steel chair to the Million Dollar Man’s head, thus giving Macho the title.
And forming the Mega Powers.
We were doomed.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
I remember Miss Elizabeth breaking them up after that. They became mortal enemies. Long time ago. That’s funny!
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
Have you seen the Macho Man DVD set?
It’s awesome.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
No, I just watched some of the WWE stuff on Comcast OnDemand
one night when I was bored.
It’s so cheesy that you almost wish real life was that way.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
IT IZ REEL
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
OT:
RT @MLBXM & @MLBNetwork are reporting Phillies are close to deal for Cy Young pitcher Roy Halladay. Announcement could come within 24 hrs #MLB
Hopefully Happ is in the trade and it happens before the game!
....my quick smells like french toast...
In case anybody was wondering.....
I still like this trade. We are absolutely sick in spots 2 through 5 now.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
And if Ankiel were rising the pine pony, where he belongs,
we could be sick in spots 2 through 7.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
generally i agree
though in this case, vs a tough lefty, i’m ok w/ ankiel being the one who gets abused. However, ankiel in cf for colby better not become a platoon situation now. i fear it may…
Why would there become ...
a lefty-lefty platoon? That doesn’t make a lot of sense. Ankiel will start games. Ankiel will get ABs. It’s pretty clear that he’ll be the 4th OF, but we all know how frequently Tony rotates the lineups. Why is anybody surprised that this is happening? If you want LaRussa around, you’ll have to put up with this constant rotation.
Generally, I don’t really like it, but right now you have one player that might be pulling out of an horrific slump and another struggling with one. This isn’t that bad a move. I would take it at face value, as it doesn’t do any good to try to identify any kind of long term process from LaRussa. He doesn’t look past the current game.
Dude, the point is
that a lot of us DON’T want TLR around.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 24, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan, either.
Picking apart one decision tonight is kind of overkill, though. From a microcosm of one game, this is not a bad decision; regardless of who the manager is making it.
But for me it's just adding
one more straw to an already overloaded camel.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 24, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
But, it doesn't do any good to look at through those eyes.
I’m ready for LaRussa to manage somewhere else, too. I’m just not gonna roll my eyes or squall out at this one decision. Nor, is it going to do any good. I personally think the chance of getting Ankiel going is good for the whole team. If it doesn’t work, fine. I still think this is a worthwhile gamble.
I have a feeling
he plays RF one of the next two games, too.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
Raz isn't sick this year.....
Check the numbers.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
let it go sooner
you know he’s better than ankiel in every facet.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
I didn't say he wasn't.....
Just saying that with Raz swinging the bat like he has been, he isn’t an automatic start guy right now. Especially against a lefty. So you can let THAT go.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
Your arguments are always condescending...
I'm the guy that does his job, you must be the other guy.
why don't you just get the hell out of here with these absurd ideas?
(kidding)
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
rasmus should be a everyday player
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
Raz is definitely
an automatic start guy now. He is the future of CF, Ankiel is history. And if he struggles against lefties, NOW is the time to have him work on it, not tomorrow, not next week, not next year.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 24, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
what exactly
has ankiel done vs lefties?
oh ya, 28% K rate and we’re surprised its not higher, that’s what.
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
he was a pretty good pitcher against them once
so there’s that.
by TheBirds on Jul 24, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
CHECK UR STATS
Because against lefties:
Ankiel has a higher batting average than Raz.
Ankiel has a higher obp than Raz.
Ankiel has a higher slugging % and ops than Raz.
Raz has a K rate of 21%. So yea, he is beating Ankiel there. rolleyes
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
Irrelevant
We don’t have a better option in the OF than Raz against righties. Why the *&$^ can’t Tony rest him, or give him a break from struggling against a lefty, when we do in fact have a guy that hits lefties better so far? Any difference in defense doesn’t matter.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
Totally relevant, actually
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it isn't.
I’m not arguing that Ankiel is better than Raz. I’m arguing that THIS is a good game to sit Raz out, and give Ankiel some more AB’s. If it had happened tomorrow (assuming they are throwing a righty), then I’d understand your frustration.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
You argue that
every time rasmus doesn’t start.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
Defense doesn't have a lefty-righty split
We NEED Rasmus’ defense out there
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
don't we have like 5 days off in august?
we’re not contractually required to give ank a shot. he’s really a back up OF now. there’s no reason to look for chances to start him. there’s no reason to sit colby with all these chances to rest him later in the month.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
It isn't about "rest".....
As in he is tired. It’s about putting him in a position to succeed. Why would you NOT want the guy that is hitting lefties a little better in the lineup from time to time against lefties? Why would you not want to give your rookie who is in a funk a day off against a pitcher that he probably isn’t going to be sucessful against?
What if Ankiel starts playing better? I’d never suggest he take AB’s away from a healthy Holliday or Luddy, but against lefties, if Raz doesn’t turn things around, why not?
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
SoonerfanTLR
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.
by lunchboxbomb on Jul 24, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why would you NOT want the guy that is hitting lefties a little better in the lineup from time to time against lefties?
because the difference in hitting between the two is not significant and colby’s defense is better.
Why would you not want to give your rookie who is in a funk a day off against a pitcher that he probably isn’t going to be sucessful against?
Because the rookie will provide better over all value. and has no demonstrated confidence issues. and there’s no showing that his slump is anything more than bad luck.
What if Ankiel starts playing better? I’d never suggest he take AB’s away from a healthy Holliday or Luddy, but against lefties, if Raz doesn’t turn things around, why not?
because ankiel has sucked since april 1st. he’s not likely to turn it around this month.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
I don’t think the difference in defense is significant.
Bad luck? He isn’t hitting the ball hard at all. Especially against lefties.
Fair enough. But he is our 4th OF, and he will get some starts from here on out.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
The difference in D is significant, though.
Rasmus is one of, if not, the best defensive center fielders in baseball. Ankiel is okay at center field.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't buy into the metrics you use.....
that tell you that.
Raz is a better CF, yes. I just don’t think the difference is THAT big. And I don’t think Raz is one of the best in baseball. I haven’t watched other teams as much as I normally do, so maybe the overall CF talent level is down. I doubt it though.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
channeling joe morgan on that one eh
ya he’s not the best, but i cant tell you who is because i dont watch anyone else and my own opinion is the only one that counts
Seriously though
You don’t need metrics to see the routes Ankiel takes to balls in center. It’s really pretty gross. Raz isn’t perfect, but he takes probably half as many bad routes, and on top of that has far superior speed. The difference is very significant.
I'm not really arguing that point
I’m not really against Ank starting tonight. If he can get it going, that would be a huge boon.
But yes, Rasmus is that much better, and yes, it can make a difference on a game-by-game basis.
more than 4 PA's? anything on a
one game measure is small — defense or offense.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Mentally ...
a day off can do a lot for a guy. Mentally, getting a chance based on recent good performance can do a lot. Both are worth more to me than one game’s worth of defense.
i strongly suspect that if you ran down
the numbers for a guy who just had a day off and compared them to guys who played the previous day, you would not see this borne out.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
So, this is by eye, right?
Cuz it’s well documented that there are no significant defensive metrics that are going to indicate over half a season how good Rasmus is. Just curious, how do you make such a definitive statement?
he's been a ++ defensive player in the
minors and those defensive stats tend to carry over.
that and scouting reports universally agree he is an outstanding defender.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
the difference in defense
is substantial and Ankiel is simpy a bad hitter. Besides, the higher avg. vs. lefty stuff is all small sample sizes. They’re both bad against lefties but 1 plays outstanding defense and 1 is below average. Whatever.
Then they should DFA him.
If this is the argument, then he should never touch the field. We have three better hitters and defenders in the OF, so no need to carry a 4th, right? He should only play in case of injury? It’s one night, and you have a manager that plays the averages.
no it isn't
Ankiel has no plate discipline whatsoever and swings at anything in the same zip code. That is the definition of a bad hitter. He has power but nothing else virtuous at the plate.
That's exaggeration.
Ankiel hit .264/.341/.431/.772 in the month of April. That may not be tearing the cover off the ball, but it’s pretty far from sucking. In June he had a .705 OPS. Again, not great, but not dismal. In the last week he’s actually had pretty good numbers.
Rasmus hasn’t hit worth a crap for the last two weeks (OPS < .400). You’re rationalizing to say that Rasmus’ current troubles are “bad luck.” That’s a weak argument based on nothing other than your hope to make Rasmus look better.
Finally, yes Rasmus plays better defensively, but in one game the number of defensive opportunities and the difference in quality between the two players is NOT significant. It certainly isn’t a reason to force a player into a bad hitting situation.
to me, all slumps are chance in the absence of
evidence to the contrary. slumps are simply part of the game, and chance the most likely explanation. sure, it could be injury/incompetence/etc. but i, as a default, assume chance.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
That doesn't mean "bad luck."
I’m not saying it’s evidence of a hitter that isn’t adjusting to the major leagues. Slumps are usually a result of loss of confidence or a mechanical hiccup in your swing or timing. That’s not bad luck, that’s poor play. It takes time to work out. Bad luck means he’s hitting the ball squarely, but at defenders. That happens, but usually not beyond a couple of games.
i strongly disagree with this.
i have to imagine you are using only your intuition to say that “mechanical hiccups” and “loss of confidence” are behind slumps. i will trust my chance explanation above yours.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
And yours is based on something else?
Baseball isn’t a new game. Slumps are usually evident by a player pulling his head off the ball, pulling his lead shoulder out ahead of time, guessing at the plate, a new hitch in the swing, a different starting point, or a timing problem. This isn’t just related to baseball. If you suddenly start slicing a golf ball when you normally don’t, is that bad luck? Your argument is absurd. Anyone that’s ever been athletic knows that sometimes your mechanics get out of whack, and suddenly something you were great at doesn’t work. It’s muscle memory, and sometimes you’re doing something slightly off. You get over by focusing on a certain aspect of your mechanics and repetition.
Focusing on Your Mechanics...
…generally makes things worse and not better.
The conscious mind gets in the way of the subconscious mind.
I’m currently working with a major leaguer and my main message to him is to stop thinking, in particular when he’s at the plate.
See the ball, hit the ball.
Depends on the person.
I’ve always corrected my problems by focusing on a single thing. For instance, when bowling I’ve always focused on my follow-through. If I remember that part, suddenly the ball starts to go where I want again. I’m not talking about focusing on all of your mechanics. I agree that the mind typically gets in the way of your muscle memory.
Distraction?
I would argue that by focusing on his point, which is late and after the critical moment, you’re getting your mind out of the way the critical moment (which is the arm swing and release).
I agree.
Often, in the example I gave, it comes from mental or physical fatigue. Usually that causes a lapse, and focusing on the follow through forces me to execute my mechanics. I’ve used the same method in shooting a soccer ball, and many other situations. I agree that you don’t want to focus on things in the middle of your mechanics, as that often creates hitches that are very hard to get over.
When Shooting a PK in Soccer
…the key is to focus on the target and nothing else. The same thing is true for pitching.
Focus on the glove and let it rip.
I agree, but ...
when it comes to actually shooting it’s more like hitting a baseball. Keep your eyes on the ball, and focus on the follow through of your leg. When I shoot a PK, I look at the spot until I start to strike the ball. Then, the focus is on the ball.
…against lefties, if Raz doesn’t turn things around, why not?
Considering that Rasmus has all of 67 career AB’s against LHP, I would bet you $100(internet) that Rasmus does turn that around.
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 24, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not taking that bet.
I think you are 100% right. The kid is going to be an everyday player. LaRussa just interprets that differently from you and me.
Picking different positions in an argument randomly
sounds like fun. So now defense doesn’t matter? Interesting.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
No
I’m not trying to argue who the better player is. I’m arguing when is the best chance to sit Raz, and play Ankiel. And that is going to be against a lefty.
You guys and your “play the best player” line is getting tired. If the best players played every game, you’d have the same 8 guys running out there 162 games a year. That shit doesn’t happen for a reason.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
Like with Ludwick
it clearly made him a better player earlier this year to be stuck in a platoon with a player we just traded for a DFA guy, right?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
most were fine with Pujols sitting yesterday
We all get they need a day off every now and then. We just think for what all Colby brings to the table (re: defense) he should not not start twice a week.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
You know you should
be careful when pulling those straw men out of the closet, the dust can make you sneeze.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 24, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, he's also sat once this week?
Again, your arguments are always condescending, you act like you are hurt everytime someone disagrees with you.
I'm the guy that does his job, you must be the other guy.
That explains it.
VEB PR for TLR is a rough job.
I'm the guy that does his job, you must be the other guy.
But why do you have to sit Rasmus and play Ankiel...
…when said situation happened just a few games ago?
I’m not arguing that you should play your best 8 hitters every single night, rain or shine…merely that Colby Rasmus is this team’s best CF option and should play whenever he’s physically capable of doing so. Rick Ankiel has no future here and should be treated as the 4th OF. If TLR wasn’t the manager of the team he’d probably have been bolted to the bench, demoted, DFA’d or something by now.
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 24, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Repeat this to yourself
small sample size…small sample size…small sample size…
Just b/c Tony La Russa can comfortably look at a sub-70 at-bat sample and say a guy needs to be sat against lefties doesn’t mean that it’s true. Rick Ankiel is a poor hitter and is a worse CFer than Rasmus. If Rasmus can play, he should.
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 24, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I did...
Nearly 3 WAR for a 22 year old kid. Yeah, that’s sick.
He’s slugged nearly .500 since May 1st. Yeah, that’s sick…especially when talking about a great CFer.
His OBP sucks, I’ll admit that, but Ankiel’s is .278. TWOFUCKINGSEVENTYEIGHT!
It’s a cardinal rule of all lawyers…lie li (no, the other one jackass)…don’t ask a question you don’t know the answer to. When you say check the numbers without knowing them yourself, well that’s a good way to make a fool out of yourself.
But I know that you know that Rasmus is better than Ankiel, but won’t admit it b/c your boy penciled Ankiel into the lineup tonight, so you’re just trying to back him up somehow.
Now here comes the 2500 wins/info you don’t have/this team would suck without him argument…but I really don’t care…
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 24, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
don't worry
None of us had any doubt regarding your fondness of this trade, nor your dewy-eyed admiration of any other thing desired by TLR.
polish our trophy!!!!!!1!11!
no, good question.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
on second thought
i’ll take another ’07 if it mean another ’06
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
by BVHeck on Jul 24, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We've got a lot of money coming off the books I believe
(no cite, just shooting from the hip) so I’d assume there will be FA signings in our future (or resignings)
by Rep the High Socks on Jul 24, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You worrywart
We have Matt Holliday for two fucking months, brother! Don’t worry about it! Sit back and enjoy the ride!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
we do
have a monster lineup for the rest of the year
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
We'll take care of most of that internally......
Have to think we make a strong push for Holliday. DeRosa, JP, and potentially Glaus depends on if we sign Holliday. We can move Luddy maybe. Garcia may/should earn the 5th spot next year. Mather or Freese may prove worth of 3B is DeRosa isn’t resigned.
Too early to worry about it.
We were going to be without a LF and 3B next year anyways, right?
And we only really moved Wallace and Perez out of the system that were legit top 15 spects.
We’ll be fine.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
Yeah
because we have a long history of filling needs with young, top prospects and not scrappy utility types.
Allen Craig, you hear that? You’ll finally get a shot!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
allen craig is busy drafting a letter requesting a trade now.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
vomit (i have learned recently that is the appropriate physiological response in this case)
We can move Luddy maybe.
we’re going to ditch luddy to pay for holliday?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
That's what Tony wanted in the off-season
so it MUST be right!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
after all . . .
he IS a hall of famer.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
I never said I wanted to.....
that we had to, or that I even expected it.
I’m just saying if a guy like Mather starts hitting, or Rick regains his form, Luddy has the type of value where he could bring back a 3B, or a SP, or something of value.
WE HAVE OPTIONS…..that is all I’m saying. And I’m guessing we’ll end up with at least one extra pick early next year from these FA’s that might leave.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
Correct me if I'm wrong...
…but isn’t that a sideways move? Ditching one player to sign the same guy?
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 24, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
dewy-eyed admiration I tell ya!
No need to think about the future, it’s, like not here now man! We’ll burn that bridge when we come to it! Have faith and ye shall be delivered! Never question authority! TLR knows what he’s doing! Yadda yadda yadda!
Mortensen
was also a top 15 prospect as was either Samuel or Todd, whichever one went to Cleveland in the DeRosa deal.
schrodinger's prospect
One of them is already gone, we just won’t know which until we open the box.
by brackenthebox on Jul 24, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
but until we open the box
both of them AND neither of them are gone.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
But you are in a bed ...
that’s how you wake up dead in the first place.
Damn, that’s some quantum shit right there.
it's like a Volkswagen commercial
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
It would be nice to have a poll
That way we can see how many people don’t realize we just got boned.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
there was a poll on pd
something 55 to 45%
55 wanting to keep walrus
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I imagine on VEB
There would have to be many more people in favor of keeping wallace
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jul 24, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
won't work now
We have a lot of new members, even with the sign-up delay, er, moratorium. VEB’s bloated with new members right now.
Maybe if you could travel back in time…
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Is that a Goold poll or a stltoday.com/cards poll?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
the latter
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Interesting
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
well
i was gonna link it, but they have a new poll up “rate the deal”
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/polla.nsf/Result?readform&id=0581ACFB8F348D07862575FD005DEC1E
way in favor of the deal
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
actually the poll is still only at
32% in favor of keeping wallace
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 24, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
different poll
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
It's 68% in favor of the trade now
because “Holliday-Rasmus-Ludwick outfield should put Cards over the top!”
Ironically, this evening, our outfield is Holliday-Ankiel-Ludwick.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Holliday, Ankiel, Luddy.....
is still better, short term, than Ankiel, Raz, Luddy.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
of course ankiel is getting the start!
he’s red-hot!! my you have a short memory!
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 24, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
there was one up before the trade asking if we should do it
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Hey!
Arkansas third baseman Zack Cox to once again show why he’s one of the top prospects for the 2010 draft.
Okay well lets just draft another one.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
Hopefully the next one
can hit AND play defense.
by Handsome B Wonderful on Jul 24, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
ding, ding, ding
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
I don't know that I'm sold on the Wallace can't play defense common knowledge
I mean, DeRosa isn’t exactly a defensive wizard, but he plays the position due to his bat.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
now there's a fantasic name....
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
too bad his parents didn't name him Harold
by Handsome B Wonderful on Jul 24, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew a guy at this warehouse in fenton, I shit you not
his name was Harrold “Harry” Pickle
by from First to Third on Jul 24, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Luddy's RBI numbers should sky rocket.....
with both AP and Holliday hitting in front of him. Talk about a good chance of having somebody on in front of you. Geez.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
Keep in mind last off-season
the Cardinals were cash strapped and were afraid to offer arbitration to their FAs because they might accept.
Needless to say, the Cardinals are going to need to fill more positions and are still cash strapped meaning the likelihood of getting picks for Pinata or Glaus is slim.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions
That's my greatest fear
Although, I think that offering Pineiro arbitration is the way to go. Glaus, on the other hand, will likely accept it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yea, Piniero is having the season contract year dreams are made of
hard to imagine him accepting arbitration.
by brackenthebox on Jul 24, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Glaus
That may be fine if Holliday walks, or if DeRosa/JP walk.
We’ll just have to play it by ear. Obviously signing Holliday should be priority number one. After that, you have to evaluate the market, and your budget, and go from there.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
Who is this "Mike Smith" and where has the P-D been hiding him?
From the Cardinal Beat:
No matter how much the front office turns over the roster, there will always be room in a Tony La Russa lineup for Rick Ankiel.
Fresh off a 1-for-3 night that boosted his average to .219, Ankiel gets the start in center field tonight over slumping Colby Rasmus.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Could we swap him
and Strauss in their jobs?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 24, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, Ha. I love it!
Ankiel is clearly the better player, right?
Colby, just sit your ass down, son.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
anyone live-blogging it for the work crowd?
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
there's a link above
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
live-blog
= typing
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
sorry to be terse, am multitasking
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
ah
i’m not savvy to the lingo of you kind and the damn interbutts
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
you kids*
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
i'll get off your lawn
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
get your frisbee now
or you aint gettin it back!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
JA Happ pitches tonight.
He’s supposedly apart of this deal for Hallday. Think he might be preoccupied by the thought of getting traded? Hope so!
THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!
haha yeah maybe he'll suck vs us and then toronto will no longer want him
leaving Halladay safely off the Phil roster. perfect!
How does a Philadelphia acquisition of Halladay affect your view of the Holliday-for-Wallace-and-Mortensen Trade?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Even though
Halladay is a far better pitcher than Holliday is a hitting outfielder?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i thin that's why
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
not even though, because
just saying that I hope this package that the phillies part with is absurd.
It better be
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
the deal for halladay...
is going to cost the phillies a chip we didn’t have: a potential number 1 of the future. and probably quite a bit more.
so i say, ‘thank god we’re keeping up.’
by RedbirdAvenger on Jul 24, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
It's going to cost them both Happ and Drabek, most likely
That’s a rookie starter who’s currently completely dominant AND a blue-chip pitching prospect.
And then probably some other players, too.
Yikes.
Mister would you please help my Tony?
Ank over Ras? I hope this doesn’t continue, or else my body will have to deal with the involuntary chain of concussive projectile vomit shots every five minutes for the rest of the season.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.
I have a really bad feeling
that it’s going to.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
me too, sorta
that said, i’m not that opposed to it tonight. they neither one can hit lefties, let ankiel suffer. but please don’t let ankiel over colby be a new fixation
Rasmus has 1 hit in his last 6 games
Ank is swinging a relatively hot bat maybe TLR just wants to see if it can continue
"You wait for a strike, then you knock the shit out of it"- Stan Musial
why?
Even if it continues he’s the 4th best outfielder by far. There is no reason to continue with the Ankiel pity starts.
by TheBirds on Jul 24, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Pity starts"
I love it, a perfect description of what we’re seeing. A rec for you.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 24, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I've just run out of ways to justify Ankiel starting
"You wait for a strike, then you knock the shit out of it"- Stan Musial
He's down in the dirt, would you help him?
I think it’s his brain.
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 24, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You sir
Are a gentleman and a scholar.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.
by lunchboxbomb on Jul 24, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
in every new ballpark, Rasmus must first watch Ankiel play CF
In this way, he will gain
experience
perspective
humility
nothing
by brackenthebox on Jul 24, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And Ank is a psychological rock
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
but ank
has a much better stache
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
May wanna hurry up with the presser...there's a game starting in about an hour.
come on already.
Any idiot would know that.
OT: Halladay new info
RT @mlbhomerun Buster Olney reporting on ESPN950 radio that the Phillies & Halladay trade will happen and includes top pitching prospect Kyle Drabek. #MLB
....my quick smells like french toast...
so much for the 5 o'clock conference
being fashionably late is cool right?
"You wait for a strike, then you knock the shit out of it"- Stan Musial
I’m thrilled to be here. It is going to be great hitting behind Albert Pujols. Getting to play for a HOF manager will be amazing. I’ve always loved the Cardinals. Excited to have an opportunity to play in October.
Not watching but I’ll just be preemptive about it.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 24, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to give it 100% and fit in where I can. I don’t care where they put me in the lineup.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 24, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
spot on. word for word just about...
Any idiot would know that.
by The Classical on Jul 24, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He kinda looks like he shaved everything except his upper lip this morning
Little bit of a 5 o’clock lip shadow going on
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
Mo needs to grow a stache
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you imagine the power of the stache in the front office?
Maybe we’d have got that Duncan for Lincecum and Cain completed.
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 24, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to hear a conversation between him and Rasmus.
“so did you see any good movies lately”
“no”
“me either”
Oh goodie
Here’s Tony. I hope he takes his shirt off, plucks his eyebrows and throws a chair.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions
"Is this a dream?"
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He was like the shy girl in the cafeteria...
as the QB of the football team walked by. His heart was all aflutter…
V, b.
Moz is in the background quoting GOB Bluth under his breath
“I’ve made a huge mistake”
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.
My only hope is
Maybe Moz can put Ankiel in the Aztec Tomb and make him disappear
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.
by lunchboxbomb on Jul 24, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ankiel should be neither seen nor heard
by brackenthebox on Jul 24, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Tony is the same way
Must be Milford Men
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.
by lunchboxbomb on Jul 24, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He's now going to make the yacht disappear!!!!
Queue Europe’s “Final Countdown”
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 24, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He wishes Tony would have gone to the Milford School
“Managers should be neither seen nor heard.”
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
Tony almost cried
when he said “I’m excited”
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions
Tony's saying..."Ha phillies, you can't beat my Holliday..."
and he’s crossing his fingers…don’t have a Halladay in your hand no Halladay…
I think he said
we [both sides] equally discussed it. as in, both sides knew what they were getting.
haha
I thought he said “we were both equally disgusted”.
Yeah… you’re interpretation makes more sense.
THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!
i did a double take too
‘really, we both hated our players and couldnt wait to get rid of them. just like boston with lugo.’
"Billy was great to work with
he used plenty of lube and bought me dinner afterwards."
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Gross
And accurate
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, what?
who was the whore?
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
You would, too.
If you had just made a deal that would lead to your eventual dismissal due to the inability to re-sign Albert Pujols.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
that was a very, very odd comment
Also – Mo looks like he’s about to cry. Very strange tone and facial expressions…not a whole lot of excitement out of anyone
On MLB Network, Tony is about to lose the 1983 ALCS
if you are bored.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions
I imagine he's just anxious to get out on the field more than anything...
for now anyway…
Any idiot would know that.
by The Classical on Jul 24, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He wants to catch up with Matt
before Home Room starts.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
So I've been thinking
The craziest thing about this trade is what it does to our bench. Fast-forward to Glaus and Khalil returning, optimistically hoping they can both be useful, the bench is:
Lugo (Schumaker)
Khalil (Ryan)
Glaus
Ankiel (Rasmus)
LaRue
That’s kinda a dope bench. If we carry 12 pitchers, that means a 5 man bench. No more Stav. No more Barden. Maybe even, yes, maybe even no more Thurston, if everything comes together perfectly. It’s hard to imagine.
Yep
And Glaus as a DH in the WS is exciting.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
Thurston as a DH in the WS is exciting
by brackenthebox on Jul 24, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
pinch runner, sir.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
so after combing through 1,500 or so posts I'm wondering is there anyone excited about this deal?
what would you say the split is? 90/10 against?
Win the World Series
sign for the next 6 years at $25 M.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
No
probably not.
Until 25 years from now when Brett goes into the HOF. :D
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He goes .400/.500/.650 for 2 months and we get swept by the Dodgers and I am still not happy. He hits .200/.300/.300 and we win it all and I am.
This is our CC deal.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 24, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
And he may re-sign
But if he likes the Cards so much he could have signed anyway. That doesn’t factor in the decision, so it completely depends on the next 2 (hopefully 3) months and all the variance that comes with it to me.
The picks if he doesn’t re-sign don’t move the needle enough for what we gave up otherwise.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 24, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
when you say gave up
you mean just wallace right? I mean we cant be pissed about mortenson and paterson. theyre just guys.
he doesnt even have a second pitch.
and he doesnt have control of the first one. He’s a back of the rotation starter.
We don't have a back of the rotation starter
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
depth has value, rigo
or maybe you haven’t noticed our OF and IF this year or our bullpen last year!
Teams win World Series all the time...
…when they piss away all the games their 5th starter throws!
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 24, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
that's not what a number of scouts say. he's a top ten talent or would have
been in the off-season.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
in the club/farm/organization? yes.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Well if we are going to sell the incoming picks
There’s a first and a second we are giving away. A first and a second that were moving really fast. They’re a little more than just guys. They were early picks that were showing pretty well, which if you ask me, is a cut above a new draftee. Mortensen in particular.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 24, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm excited by the lineup
(well, not tonight’s lineup) but not by the trade, per se.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
My sentiments exactly.
Hate the deal, love getting Holliday THIS year…Will not feel the same when we have neither of those players next year.
I'm the guy that does his job, you must be the other guy.
I really hope we don't get Sabathia'd and get no 1st round pick for him if he leaves
and since the Yankees are probably going to go after him, we may end up in the same position.
Excited about 2009,
depressed as hell about everything afterwards.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 24, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
so lets say we re-sign holliday to a 4 or 5 year deal
forget the money, lets just say that in terms of production wallace and holliday cancel each other out, both playing LF. but Holliday is much better in the field. Isnt that a good thing? and realistic?
so if that's a wash, and your only difference is Holliday in the field
then you are paying 80 million for defense and a couple of wins this season.
not to say Wallace will equal Holliday
even if he doesn’t get that close it’s still a bad deal, which is the main problem.
If Holliday was that great an outfielder
He’d play center.
by olddomination on Jul 24, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Money is the problem
especially with Pujols contract coming up.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i really dont think
Mo thought Wallace could play LF or 3B. and why waste anymore of Albert’s career with a crap ass lineup around him?
So the difference between crap-ass and WS
was Matt Holliday?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
i didnt say Holliday puts us in the WS
but our lineup minus albert is about as bad as any in baseball minus their best hitter.
Wrong
We are substantially worse. I was going to do a Trade Deadline post and was looking at our production by position back before Ludwick heated up. And it was staggeringly bad. Without Pujols this year, we’re a black hole offensive club.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Right
The lineup is very different now.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
exactly
This is not a team that you mortgage the future for, as simply one player will not put you over the top. Better to have a competitive but not great team this year and build towards a glorious 2010-2012. Now, most likely, we have a great team this year but we will go back to being just OK next year.
Holliday signing with us is sepearte from us trading for him
Fuck Billy Beane
by vivaelpujols on Jul 24, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Everybody...
should be happy that the 2009 team is clearly better. The extent to which 2010-2015 is compromised is the sticking point.
I don't hate the deal
At this point, I’m even leaning in favor of it.
If we make the playoffs and Wallace is never anything more than a 1B/DHer in his career, then I’ll be satisfied.
now that's just dumb
Pujols is “just” a 1B’er too, you know? Plus, we already had a good shot of making the playoffs.
Yeah, but Pujols mans 1B here.
That’s kind of his point. What good is another 1B/DH guy in St. Louis right now? It’s not dumb for this team.
still dumb
If Wallace’s bat is that good, then he plays. Besides, Wallace can handle 3B now. A few years down the road it’s hard to tell where our needs might be.
But if you’re going to trade him, then at least get fair value. Don’t short-change yourself just because we have 1B covered right now.
Where, if he's a 1B?
I agree with getting fair value, but value is subjective. There are several things outside of setting these players on either sides of a scale and measuring them in a vacuum. I’m not a fanatic of what we did here, but it’s possible that Holliday now presents more value than Wallace playing out of position, regardless of his bat.
Call me crazy...
But the WS doesn’t mean all that much to me. Oh sure, it’s great to win. But I’m going to watch basically every Cardinals game for probably the rest of my life.
Sacrificing the future for one glorious moment doesn’t seem like it’s worth it. But it depends on what happens with him. Do they re-sign him? Do they offer arbitration and get draft picks if he leaves?
If they get absolutely nothing for him (don’t offer him arb and he leaves), then I’ll be very disappointed.
On the other hand, I’m not sure Wallace would ever get to play here. Much like Craig doesn’t seem to be considered for 3B for a bad defense rap, the same seems to apply to Wallce
Which is all the more ironic...
considering they trot out Thurston to 3b, who is terrible, and DeRosa, who I don’t think is that great at 3b, either.
DeRosa's not that great anywhere
But he’s at least okay everywhere, that’s his value. And he doesn’t have the brain cramps that Thurston has.
I don't understand this sentiment at all...
Winning the WS is the entire point. I’m not arguing at all that Matt Holliday will win us a WS, but if he did, how on EARTH could you possibly pass that up for what might have been from Brett Wallace?
V, b.
I'm sorry, but this quote
But the WS doesn’t mean all that much to me
troubles me. Isn’t that what baseball and sports is all about:
one glorious moment?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
I cried when we lost in '87 (I was 5 years old)
I accepted ‘04 like a victim of drowing. In ’06, I cried when we won. It’s sad, I know.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I am not sure what you mean
I don’t understand ‘sacrificing the future’ if the WS isn’t that important. Do you mean you just want a competitive team that is fun to watch? I guess I can understand that, though I feel differently.
It's an interesting point
would you rather win the WS and go through 10 seasons of 2007 or not win the WS and be the Angels every year?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
WS a decade?
count me in. screw being a bridesmaid every year.
by rlgosnell on Jul 24, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely +1
Dancing around celebrating in my dad’s living room, just after Inge struck out, will be a favorite memory of mine till I die. Or go insane. Bad seasons are going to happen to everyone, the great ones happen to just a handful of memorable, even legendary teams.
so you are saying
Brett Wallace is the difference between winning in the next six seasons and becoming the O’s?
I think it's a terrible deal post 2009
However I think if we look at 2009 and what we have now it looks to be a really promising pennant race. I think it’s obvious we were raped by Beane and this could have a severe impact on our future, but I’m trying to look at it and remain calm. There are a lot of variables that go into constructing a roster every season, just look at how this year started and how outfield depth and performance were not of much concern.
Let’s all do ourselves a favor and get on board with this the rest of the way in ‘09 (because quite frankly the roster rocks now) and this summer, while we’re hopefully polishing another Championship Trophy, we can all spin our wheels trying to figure out how to put the best possible team on the field with what’s left internally and externally. It will definitely be more difficult, but who knows- maybe DeWallet won big at the Queen last night and we’re increasing payroll to $125MM next year.
SF CARDS FAN
Anyone know...
where the game will be available to watch online? I don’t see it up on ATDHE as of yet…
Any idiot would know that.
it might not be
MLB tv recently changed how it embeds their streams and i haven’t been able to find games anywhere the past 2 days
"You wait for a strike, then you knock the shit out of it"- Stan Musial
I got the Nationals feed via tvants last night
And it actually ran fairly well. But tvants is usually an enormous pain, so I wouldn’t get too excited about that. Plus it runs way behind the VEB threads.
Was Barden ever sent up?
I thought he never made it to the 25 man after we signed Lugo.
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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
A couple of quick thoughts
1. Tony and Albert better be happy.
2. We had better win the Central now….(Cubs are hitting now…it won’t be a cakewalk)
3. Unless we can sign Matt this winter this trade could end up being on par with the Mulder deal.
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
unless we are hit with injuries I don't see how we could miss the playoffs
The rotation has always been solid, and DeRosa + Holliday add a lot of run production.
Let's hope
A failure to make the playoffs would make this deal a disaster.
The run to the post season starts tonight now…
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
well, shit.
i just got home. been purposefully avoiding veb today, afraid this was going to happen. and it did. and now i’m late to the party.
can’t really add anything else that has been unsaid, but i really don’t like this trade. i’m sure holliday is a good dude and a good ballplayer, but it was too much.
let the holliday era begin. we better win something in the next two months.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
Game time is an hour away.
Yet we are lacking nicknames for Lugo and Holliday. This should be rectified.
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 24, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions
Benched
and
“Something LaRussa and McGwire Made in the Lab”
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
we should call holliday bamf.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
If he in any way doesn't live up to pretty high expectations
he will be named Mulder as far as I’m concerned.
Or Mulder Mk. II
Which would make him Doggett.
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 24, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, and not in any offense to Holliday
he’s been placed in a pretty awkward position. Anything less than spectacular play will result in making this deal feel even more lopsided.
Roamin' Holliday
To co-opt DanUp’s title and invoke a favorite film of mine. Haven’t we discussed this before?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
So,
should we just call Holliday “Roman” then?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
that works, i think.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
I'm rather sold on that.
Unless he’s ‘the Roman’. I do like a definite article.
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 24, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The Roman.
i’m behind this.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
and the Rose?
I like it. Very classic.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
He kind of looks like a chiseled Roman warrior
Fuck it. I’m calling him Caesar.
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Leggo my Lugo
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 24, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hear that Tony
is calling Holliday “reach-around.” Not sure why.
by chuckb on Jul 24, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are in rare form.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
here's where i am at.
We have a better chance to win right now. i don’t care about 6 years of a cost controlled unknown when albert may not have 6 years left of being albert. we are taking a shot a winning it all this year. Donmt worry about resigning pujols dewitt doesn’t want the stadium burned to the ground. albert brings in more revenue by himself than he will be paid even if it is 30 mil a year. if we lose holliday who cares we are in for a fun two months. we can resign derosa to a more reasonable contract to play lf and reup glaus or let freese take over freeing up money for pinero, who this year has become the pinnacle of what mortensen could be. i loved me some walrus but at the end of the day he was an unknown quantity that is replaced by aknown quantity that could push us to a ws birth. unless of course philadelphia gets halladay then everyone is effed… ha
by callmesir on Jul 24, 2009 5:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Any reaction from Tony yet??
I would hope this would make his sour puss over trading Duncan into a big smile. He got what he wanted!
We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
maybe you didn't notice
the bulge in his pants and the cigarette in his mouth at the presser
by chuckb on Jul 24, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I can have Matt Holliday and Albert Pujols for the next 6 years
I like this deal. But I don’t think that’s possible.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this line of thinking.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't either,
but maybe the McGwire treatment works on Matt, and ownership ponies up the dough to pay Pujols. Especially if Wallace ends up being a 1b/dh type, this might be a brilliant deal. Probably not gonna happen though.
One selling point
The McGwire Workout Regiment that Holliday is on will go over really well with McKay and LaRussa.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
doesn't work for me
…because if we’re willing to spend the money then we could have had Holliday and Pujols together for the next 6 years anyway (minus two months).
In fact we could have had Holliday and Pujols and Wallace and Mortensen for the next six years! Now doesn’t that thought tend to make you depressed (again)?
We've already got him 2010-2013
so, 2 more seasons isn’t out of the question.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
good lord,
we have a lot of new folks here. hi new folks! waves
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
Is this the busiest day in VEB history?
It has to be. We’re nearly at 2,500 comments between the 3 posts, and we haven’t even gotten to the game thread yet…
V, b.
75% above the daily average in visitors.
And as you say, still no game thread.
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 24, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, and we've pulled a lot of new members it seems
like. either that, or the trade has driven relatively inactive old members to come here and comment.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
lm still torn about the trade
but it would be nice to see lugo and holliday turn our lineup into a LHP monster instead of the usual hope Albert hits 3 bombs routine.
Jon Heyman on MLB Network
Tony LaRussa was extremely upset about the Chris Duncan deal. Found out about it on the radio, in fact. He apparently angrily got into contact with Moz and told him ‘Get Me Matt Holliday’.
And thus, here we are.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 24, 2009 6:13 PM EDT reply actions
I've not payed any attention to the guy, ...
is he normally reliable or does he talk out of his ass?
I wouldn't describe Hayman as "reliable."
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Because Chris Duncan was the only thing keeping the team afloat
by olddomination on Jul 24, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
But that's
only because he’s a witch.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
if that's true,
mo just lost a lot of my esteem.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
Yes, like 100 percent.
But I put DeWitt in the same bucket. If he thinks this team can’t win w/o TLR and is buckling to his manager’s wishes, he goes on my shit list too.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 24, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That's Mo's fault not Tony's
Tony tried to force his hand with Rolen and he was patient enough to get a good return (at the time). If he caved, and Beane exploited it, that’s on him. He knew what Tony was going to be like going in.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 24, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I refuse to believe this.
Heyman really reported this on MLB Network? We know who the real GM is, then, don’t we.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
This is, unfortunately,
what I’ve heard as well.
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Unbelievable.
The whole lot of them should be fired.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It wasn't completely one sided
There were certainly others in the FO that were interested in acquiring Matt Holliday. That movement didn’t have much steam until post-Chris Duncan, however. DeWitt is not exactly a handsoff owner and TLR still has a solid relationship with DeWitt.
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Obviously, DeWitt signed off on this.
So, TLR got DeWitt on his side?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
/tongue-in-cheek
If Pineiro is in this telenovela, who does he play?
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I'm not privy to how that all went down
Mollifications were made and this was one of them.
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"Mollifications"?
So there are more?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm not aware of any trades that are being discussed at this point
The “mollifications” are more about trying to smooth over the internal politics.
Anyone who thinks the Cardinals schism was solved by Jocketty’s firing is kidding themselves.
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So, ...
how long do they continue to go on like this? DeWitt says he wants LaRussa to manage here as long as he wants, but he clearly wants this team to build from within. How long before those two things cause his head to explode?
This has been going on for 2 + years
It’s not going to end anytime soon. With the improved drafting of the Cardinals (and DeWitt’s sudden propensity to spend on draftees — Mateo), this trade and the farm system’s continued improvement aren’t necessarily exclusive. You can’t always have a top 10 system.
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It's Utterly Absurb If/That People Got That Upset Over The Chris Duncan Deal
Not to mention dysfunctional.
It’s like when you screw up with your girlfriend and end up TOTALLY overcompensating in a effort to placate her.
Not that I’ve not that.
disappointing
and likely means that ladunc will probably be back next year.
Well, the "GM" isn't going to send them packing.
He’s pretty much giving them control of the roster.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
And he was doing so well for a day...
by thepainguy on Jul 24, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll remember that day fondly
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
and with their hand-picked pets
on the roster, ladunc has no reason to leave. The only way they leave is voluntarily…..
Totally Believable Vignette
Tony: Listen Mo, if you’re going to pull a stupid ass move like this and get rid of a guy who could hit 150 home runs a year for me, then you’ve got to do something to fill the gap in my goddamn lineup. Find me a bat. Maybe a Matt Holliday.
Mo: Tony, please calm down. That was the plan all along.
(Mo calls Billy Beane in desperation).
To the bases, really
Unless he can steal first base. In which case, this was a FUCKING AWESOME trade.
Just got down to Springfield.
Did I miss anything?
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we got some guy name halladay.
oh, wait, i mean holliday. craaaaap.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
Everyone's pissed
Except some people aren’t pissed.
And Rasmus isn’t starting, which is making everyone pissed, except some people aren’t pissed.
That’s about it.
Saw that Rasmus bit
Doesn’t surprise me because LaRussa is having a hissy.
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Well
There’s a lot of reasons to like the Holliday trade.
Now w/r/t Rasmus’ offday, Sooner is wrong. But he’s never understood the impact of defense so that shouldn’t surprise anyone.
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We just traded
somewhere between 6 and 18 cost controlled years for 200-250 AB’s in LF (assuming health), and maybe 2 picks. Wallace is going to have a career, and is probably around 50/50 will be a type A himself eventually. I’m so worked up about the trade that I don’t even see the point in focusing on a lineup decision today.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 24, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
im not pissed, just reserving judgement
I mean lets say you could get an honest answer from Mo – could Wallace play in LF? If the answer is no then he loses a lot of value.
mo traded colby rasmus and skip schumaker to pittsburgh for ian snell.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
there were cigars, too.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
who are they interviewing on XM?
cardinalnation.com?
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
they're done with the Holliday stuff
and now they’re marveling at Pineiro. the marvelous pinata…
some sort of magic elixir
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
"six years of Brett Wallace for two months of Matt Holliday"
Yup.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
well, i'm out for tonight.
i wish holliday a good first game as a cardinal. please bless us, GOB.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
we have footage!
Game thread?
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Mo is on tv!
…game thread?
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
first salvo
it shows a lot of people a lot of things
…
we’re committed to winning and winning now
thanking scouting department and player development
Mo is acting like he planned this for the prospects all along
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
second...
impact bat — we need to at least try
The Cat then lobs a soft toss
Absolutely! When you look at starting pitching, Albert Pujols
we see this as a time = opportunity
“make a splash”
“struggle against left-hand pitching”
“adding DeRosa”
“it just changes the complexion of your club”
There’s a new level of energy, it seems.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
the Cat brings out the big guns
Can we sign him?
Mo doesn’t know. He hopes he feels the power of St. Louis.
“I hope he wants to call it home.”
YOU HEARD HIM SAINT LOUIS. POWER UP THE DYNOTHERMS.
Oh look. Mo sly laugh. “We are most likely done, unless there is something glaring…” [!!!!!!!!!!!!! Colonel?
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
addendum
Mo acknowledges that the price was expensive, that they agonized over it.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
®
severs me right for being in bed sick all day & saying yesterday this would never happen.
now were fucking stuck with Tony for a few more years too
fuck me sideways. this is so fucking stupid. so very fucking stupid.
FOR RENT
by gdm426 on Jul 24, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
go back to bed, gdm.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
What are peoples thoughts of Ludwick moving to fifth in the lineup?
I guess i’m superstitious about changing something that is currently working. I’d rather leave him there and hit Holiday 5th. but whatever, it hopefully shouldn’t make any difference.
Milt Thompson FTW!
the Cat to MO, are you done trading?
what do you think Cat? they just gutted the system for two f’ing rentals.
i am shocked, pissed & so disappointed in Dewitt.
FOR RENT
I'm not shocked, but I agree with the rest.
Its been clear for a while that Tony was Dewitt’s boy. Otherwise he should have been sent packing a while back. Also its the only way to explain the Mulder, AK, and Rolen episodes.
Just a word to the wise
We talk as if the FO is composed of 3 decision makers (Mozeliak, Luhnow & TLR). In truth, these three serve as useful but incomplete representations of the different viewpoints in the organization. The characterizations that are being made of Mozeliak (spineless, rollover) and Tony (authoritarian, tantrum thrower) and Luhnow (protector of the minors) are gross oversimplifications if not simply inaccurate. There’s give and takes and sometimes these players take positions that we might not expect.
It’s an interesting dynamic (if a dysfunctional one, imo) but it’s not a simple one.
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it would be great
to hear more on this subject. You guys have access to people we do not know exist. I realize that to keep that access you can’t tell everything, but we all wish we were on the inside……
I have a big long post that I'll write sometime tomorrow at FR
trying to cover what this trade means in terms of several topics including the FO. I just think it’s important to remember that these people aren’t as simple as the caricatures we sometimes make of them.
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I agree with everything you say
just easy to forget the people we don’t see on tv or hear inverviewed in the media
Mo Better Judgement
Honestly, I like the work Mo has done over the past month or so. We are in a freakin’ pennant race folks! Wallace is not a sure thing. Adding DeRosa, dumping CDunc and adding Holliday…we should be a much better offensive team. I gotta believe they don’t do this deal unless they either believe they can afford to keep Roman and/or they just knew that Walrus had no real future given our depth chart. If you haven’t seen Walrus in person…he sure doesn’t look like he could roam an MLB outfield.
Damn!
well, I guess it’s too bad there wasn’t a position in the infield in which we could try him. I don’t know….maybe near one of the bases. How about near one of the foul lines, to protect his lack of range. But we’re so solid at both of those 2 positions!
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