Rumor: Wallace for Holliday

Buster Olney is reporting that the Cards and A's are talking about this trade again and that it'd basically be Wallace for Holliday.

From the previous comments on trades, I'm sure I speak for the concensus here when I say "Boooo for trading Wallace!"

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only way i want this deal

is if the team plans to let glaus walk and re-sign both derosa and holliday to play third and left, respectively.

by lopey986 on Jul 23, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions

Preaching to the choir: Holliday is not having a great season and is a Boras Rental, and Wallace is under team control for a billion years. Can we please do the sensible thing and put Skippy back in left? I understand that we want help against lefties, but D-Ro is starting to hit (3 hr in 2 games). And, I thought the Lugo deal was to give us some more RH flexibility while giving us a proven league-average guy in the middle infield. If he didn’t work at 2nd, hell, we could even call up Walrus and put DeRosa there.

This deal would be a desperate move where desperate is not required, and rob us of our future at a position that is completely open-ended after this year. Even if they’re not Wallace to be able to hack it at 3rd, he’s some insurance in 2 years at 1st if we can’t re-sign Albert.

How on earth are we not focusing on starting pitching? If we’re going to deal Wallace, let’s go all-in on a Halladay deal.

by wyld stallyns on Jul 23, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions

mlbtrareumors has been updating this all day

i guess i should have posted a fanpost when i saw it…its gaining steam to where it is now…up to 50-50 when thismorning they were just talking

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Jul 23, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions

Noooo

I will snap and kill something if they trade Wallace. here is a cost-controlled guy that has “ripped” all the way through AAA in merely two years. I say we sign DeRo, put him in 2B, move Skippy back to LF and bring Wallace up for next season to play third for us. No to Holliday if it includes Wallace…

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

*No. 1 supporter of The Walrus*

by Paulspike on Jul 23, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions

Slightly off-topic: MLBTR

One of the commenters posted that Mitch Boggs got pulled from his start. Can anyone confirm?

by wyld stallyns on Jul 23, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions

This feels like panic to me.

Mo has been extremely level-headed thus far in his tenure, and I hope he continues to shrewdly evaluate deals based on the dollars and years involved. This move just doesn’t make sense monetarily, and while I’m sure the field management would love it, their happiness is not Mo’s first priority.

Decrease runs scored?
Maybe.

Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
-SFTU

by hazel on Jul 23, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions

Wallace for 2 months of Holliday?

not even close. We would have to at least work out an extension first to even consider it.

"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."

by Smokin Turkeys on Jul 23, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions

OK, Robothal says...

that Cards’ interest is only “mild.”

by wyld stallyns on Jul 23, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions

Hey, A's fan here.

Personally, I hope this deal does go down, just as much as you guys probably hope it doesn’t. But if it does, you’re getting a real good hitter. His stats are down this year, but would you expect anything else from a hitter leaving Coors to play in the Coli?

And even though they have been down, they’re not that down. If you guys are following it on MLBTR, they’ve posted his stats. After May 5th, his slash looks pretty damn good, and a player leaving the AL to go to the NL and leaving the Coli to play at Busch, he’ll definitely help the team.

It’s not an awful deal from the Cards standpoint, though, because you guys would be getting a rental to hopefully make a playoff push and then two draft picks. There was a whole lot of speculation about whether Holliday would take arbitration if the A’s offered it or not, because he’s had such a down year. I find it difficult to believe he would have, but if he did, he’d probably be more likely to take it from the Cardinals, and then you’d have him for longer.

Anyways, have a happy few days leading up to the deadline.

by NateHST on Jul 23, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions

Busch vs. the Coli

Actually, I don’t see why coming to the NL and hitting at Busch would help him, seeing as Busch suppresses runs far more than Oakland’s park. ESPN’s park rankings has the Coli 16th (where 1st is hitter-friendly, Coors being #1) and Busch being 25th.

You do make a good point that he is a Type A guy, which makes it more palatable.

Another thing that might be playing in the minds of the FO guys is their beliefs on whether Wallace can stick at 3B. I know we’ve discussed it ad nauseum on this board, but if the Cardinal scouts and coaches don’t believe he can stick, trading for a Type A free agent would be a good way to cash in on Wallace while he’s at his peak trade value (again, this is assuming he cannot stick at 3B)

by mtalken on Jul 23, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions

I'd do it

As much props as Wallace gets, I’d make trade him for Holliday. Although they’re currently injured, we do have decent 3B prospects other than Wallace who have a shot next year. I understand that we also have OF prospects for next year, but there is value to winning this year, and I think Holliday would be a significant boost both to the offense and to club morale.

It is certainly a gamble, but I’d take it if it’s a straight Wallace for Holliday trade. That’s pretty good value coming back to St. Louis.

My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!

by 82Special on Jul 23, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions

Who?

Please don’t say Freese. He’s almost 30 (okay, will be 27 next year, but still pretty old). And Craig clearly isn’t in the organizations plans, or he would have gotten a chance by now.

Wallace has the potential to maybe not be a Pujols sort of hitter, but a very good hitter, probably as good as Holiday (albeit not Holiday in Coors).

I’d rather see them call up Wallace, play him at 3rd, play DeRosa in LF. I doubt Wallace can be any worse at 3b than Thurston (who is pretty bad, and isn’t much of a hitter)

by DiscoJer on Jul 23, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't like where this is going...

If the trade is made, the Cardinals could very likely start 2010 without DeRosa, Holliday, a healthy Ankiel, and Wallace, with no experienced in-house replacements for 3B and LF (not counting Skip).

Why not trade for a Josh Willingham-type and keep Wallace? I’m worried Moz is going to stroke the LaRussa/Dunc crowd on this—they want their Holliday. When you trade a coach’s son for a wife-beater (http://a.espncdn.com/mlb/news/2003/0501/1547624.html), you have to figure there will be some placating of management.

by Tito Landrum Jr. on Jul 24, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions