Game 97 Post Game Thread Of Wonder
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 11:16 PM EDT
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With well over a 1000 comments in the over flow thread, i assumed i wasn't the only one who would appreciate a new thread. so here it is. if it's useless, please dan, chuck, red or az, blow this puppy up. if not, coolio
feel free to discuss anything here. this is a safe zone, not limited to gawd awful baseball game most of us just watched. we can talk about food, music, alcohol, cars, travel, lost lovers, or anything really. i think there was an interesting trade made today, you can talk about that here too if that tickles your fancy. but there are 4 other threads about it so maybe you don't want to do that. and you know what? that's A OK.
it's up to you, this is your thread VEB. go nuts.
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that's like a country song
food, music, alcohol, cars, travel, lost lovers, or anything really
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 22, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you can take the boy outta SE Missouri
but you can’t take the SE Missouri outta the boy
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coolio!
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 22, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's like the word of the day
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
relax
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 23, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
frankie?
:(
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 23, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must say GDM, this thread is about 15 minutes too late
But a good idea nonetheless.
The offense better show up for the next two series or were are going to be in 3rd by Monday.
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 22, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry
i was reading arch supports play
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hence the link
i laughed, hard. a lot.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thurston is a giant, flaming, asscrap
and I hate him.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why was he there, again?
I mean, not just cosmically and in uniform, but I missed why he was in the game at all.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 22, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They moved Skip to the outfield
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah im trying to figure out how Joe Thurston is a defensive upgrade over Skip
and Skip over Ankiel…
but whatever…
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 22, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you need me to post the bear again?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really lame to blame him.....
Tough decision, but you just about half to go home with that. Franklin had chances, and didn’t get us out of the inning. Nuff said. Tough loss, but it happens. Blame the “O” for only managing 3 runs.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jul 22, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy Oswalt is an excellent pitcher
3 runs is plenty. We had a 3-2 lead entering the 9th. Franklin fucked up. Thurston fucked up.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thurston didn't fuck anything up. That play goes home. You don't "chance" it.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jul 22, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we recognize that the play has to go home but only after....
A. He bobbled it
B. Kaz Matsui was standing literally right next to him
Of course in retrospect people will say Thurston fucked up. But the fact remains thats an L and a Blown Save on Ryan Franklin.
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 23, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He bobbled the ball
And then air mailed it home, only to have Yadi get lit up because of it.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 23, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when steve phillips can point out you screwed up
you screwed up big time
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 23, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
holy shit, really?
The one night I skip the WWL.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 23, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah, he did a play-by-play of what happened
highlighted each player & what they did. it’s embarrassing
watch the 2am est SC if you can. they’ll re-air it then
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 23, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be busy
crying myself to sleep
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 23, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Coste (I think it was him) would have slid
the game would’ve been over then and there.
The poster formerly known as JoeyBombs.
by RasRoY on Jul 23, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really lame when,
he was put in there as a defensive replacement. He fumbled it, and then he had to go home. The ball was hit plenty hard for the DP, and a quality 2B would have taken care of it.
Yes, it would have been nice if Franklin did his job, but he is reliant upon his fielding. Yes, he blew it, but so did Thurston.
I don’t think anybody was really expecting an offensive explosion from either offense last night. Given the pitchers going, that’s kinda silly.
by etp_stl on Jul 23, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a tough game!
I thought it was a good loss. Matsui is fast from the left side. Thurston got an out. Houston will fade of its own problems. Its the Cubs that have face all the adversity that will be there in the end. We are a much better club now than two days ago. I’m encouraged.
by OperaCard on Jul 23, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been travelling
And unable to really keep up w/ VEBs 10,000 comments the last several days.
I just have one thing to say: holy fucking shit.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 22, 2009 11:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
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It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And thus the 3 words of wisdom echoed down the Halls of Futility aka Tony's Lair
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 22, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
some stats.
86 G, 264 PA, 80 OPS+, age 29
82 G, 179 PA, 97 OPS+, age 26
Joe Thurston so far this year.
Brian Barton all of 2008.
Probably not a meaningful comparison, but I was suddenly curious.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 22, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so what you're saying is we're
Going to trade thurston for an even worse DFA’d pitcher who will stick for five days before his release?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 23, 2009 2:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Players didn't execute
If Rasmus gets the bunt out further, Balkin’ Bob doesn’t blow the call.
If Pujols doesn’t hit into 37 double plays tonight, we probably score more.
If Skip charges that ball, Ryan can make the double play.
If Thurston turns the double play, we are still playing.
Sometimes, you just lose. No reason to really explain it. Tony made some questionable calls but nothing like letting Thurston pitch. Carp pitched well, despite being handed some bad breaks. The bottom of the order produced runs. Pujols didn’t hit and the Cards didn’t make some tough plays.
Tough break.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah.
but terrible, terrible timing. this loss is going to feel like a helluva lot more than a tough break.
stupid life with its stupid symbolism.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 22, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well at least they traded Duncan to make me feel a little better
This is a bad loss, and it’s not like that trade really does anything, but the fact that I don’t have to be emotionally invested in Duncan’s play is just cause to feel better.
At least there is no off day tomorrow, that’s the worst. A tough lost and a day to stew on it.
by TheBirds on Jul 22, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the guys in the clubhouse will be feeling so great
Dave Duncan has got to be in a bad mood, and Chris was a fixture. It’s a good move for the team, but that’s got to be an emotional downer for a while.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 22, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We get Washington tomorrow
if we don’t beat them, it will be more crushing.
We won’t remember this if we win 3 of our next 4 games, which is possible since we’ll be facing Zimmermann, Rodrigo Lopez and Joe Blanton.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but didn't Zimmermann and Blanton both make us look silly once this year already?
by kalmavet on Jul 22, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nevermind we scored 5 off of zimmermann
but Blanton went 6 strong vs us and has had a hell of July w/ a .83 era. he’s supposed to suck, but lately he’s been good
by kalmavet on Jul 23, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about? Joe Blanton is one of the best pitchers in the game today!
He’s like a right handed Tim Linsicum!
by cloistermaximus on Jul 23, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops.
I thought he was going against Carpenter again. It is Todd Wellemeyer.
Wez doomz!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 23, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First loss since opening day
when leading after 8 innings. 48-1 before tonight. On the flip side, the team is 0-41 when trailing after 8 innings. Stats from tonight’s Press Pass
Leading after 7 innings 44-3
Tied after 7 innings 4-4
Trailing after 7 innings 3-38
Leading after 8 innings 48-1
Tied after 8 innings 3-3
Trailing after 8 innings 0-41
by ubeddie on Jul 23, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just got back fron the game
and minute maid park is a horrible place to watch a game. Hot is one thing but hot and stuffy is horrible. It felt like a football locker room during 2 a days!
by ReaganCard on Jul 23, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More bad news
Rotoworld says Stinkymeyer will get another start.
by cloistermaximus on Jul 23, 2009 12:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not unless Mo cuts him first
there is all out fighting going on in the FO now. Wellemeyer I’m sure is the next head on the block.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 23, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all out fighting? really?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 23, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Duncan, taking shots at Mo and the farm system...all in one quote.
“The way I look at it is he was traded for a player who had very little (leverage) … he was designated for assignment,” Duncan said. "It’s highly unusual for a major-league roster player to be traded for somebody like that. So somebody wanted to get him out of the organization, and they’ve accomplished what they wanted to accomplish.
“Either that or we don’t have anybody in the minor leagues that they wanted for (Lugo). One or the other.”
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 23, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, i thought he was talking about lugo & bean town
when he said “somebody wanted to get him out of the organization & they’ve accomplished what they wanted to accomplish.”
i take it he was not?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 23, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, no.
He said that Lugo was DFA’d, they had no leverage in dealing him.
But the Cardinals trade a major league roster player for him.
Which, to him, meant someone in the organization wanted him gone.
Or else our farm system was so terrible, we couldn’t give any of those guys away for him.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 23, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, got it. i totally miss read it then
yeah, he’s pretty pissed off
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 23, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I happen to agree.....
I’d much rather have seen Duncan sent to AAA, and tried again next year when Ankiel would likely be gone. Even if it were off the bench as the 4th OF. Dude is cheap, signed for a few more years, and we know that when healthy, he should hit. He clearly hasn’t been healthy the last two years.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jul 23, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CDunc needed to move on
Even if Chris put up above average numbers next year, he still would have been a below average fielder. The off season and spring training focus would still be on him, so Chris was in a no win situation. His first GIDP or K to end a game or miscue in the outfield would rekindle the fan frustration from the last two years and the entire neoptism argument.
IMO, If you look at this from just Chris’ point of view, this is a welcome move and even better that it is to the AL to eliminate road games in STL.
by ubeddie on Jul 23, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would I look at it from just Chris' position?
I’m a fan of the Cardinals, and I want what is best for them, first and foremost.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jul 23, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's best for the team ...
is for the lightning rod that was Chris Duncan moves to another organization. It wasn’t his fault that he became such, but he was not going to get a fair shake in this town. In addition, it is obvious that this player was adversely affecting the decisions made by field and office management.
This is what’s best for the team, though I wish for the kid to fully recover from his injuries and put up the kinds of numbers of which he is capable.
by etp_stl on Jul 23, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now we just need a new lightning rod
The poster formerly known as JoeyBombs.
by RasRoY on Jul 23, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you should be pleased with the trade
Look at Chris road/home splits – The numbers (provided by Goold in Item #1) can lead you to believe the microscope was impacting his performance at home, therefore what was best for the team and him was a change of scenery.
The alternative to the trade is to convince all fans to give Chris a clean slate next season which is not going to happen. The trade eliminates unnecessary noise and distractions.
by ubeddie on Jul 23, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Dave should get his facts straight
Chris Duncan was optioned before the trade so he was not a major leaguer. And the person in the minor leagues they wanted was Chris Duncan
The poster formerly known as JoeyBombs.
by RasRoY on Jul 23, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wondered about that to...
was part of the deal that Chris had to accept an assignment to AAA ’cause the Bosox would only go through with it if he was at Pawtucket? Do the rules require that he be at Memphis before the trade so he could go straight to their AAA team?
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 23, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think, ...
from what has been said over the last few days, that Duncan was probably being optioned because they knew the deal wasn’t going to go through in time for Lugo to make is to Houston, and they didn’t want to be down a man for the game. As it worked out, it allowed them to send Barden up to the team while trading Duncan and waiting for Lugo for tonight.
by etp_stl on Jul 23, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 23, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty good BOOG interview
the NY Daily News interviewed him back in June & just published it. for anyone who ever wondered why he’s called Boog, and if he likes BBQ, click the link.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 23, 2009 3:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that merits a fanshot, imo
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 23, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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