Trade Target Talk Time
by the red baron on Jul 22, 2009 12:11 PM EDT
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Good morning, all.
I have very little to say about last night's game, preferring instead to practice the advice my dear old mater once gave me, about when there's nothing nice to be said. Of course, if you would like to hear me bitch about the poor play on the field, it is entirely possible to do so.
However, today is the 22nd of July, and that means the trade deadline is now less than ten days away. (Okay, technically, it's the non-waiver deadline, and trades can still be made until the end of August, but we all know the deals that count are made before the 31st of July.) There's a lot of trade speculation going around, most of it focused on just two big names, both of which are, in fact, pronounced much the same. Still, even aside from the obvious Halladay/ Holliday rumours, there are plenty of players thought to be changing zip codes before the end of the month.
So, in the interest of coming up with a bit more balanced and comprehensive idea of just what is actually on the market, let's take a look around baseball and see what's out there, shall we?
First off, let me caution you: I am going to be doing a fair amount of speculating here. However, I will attempt to stick to names which have been reported as being available, rather than simply tossing out players I would like to have. So, without further ado, let's rock...?
Roy Halladay, RHP, Toronto Blue Jays - the biggest of the big fish, Halladay is the number one name on everyone's mind, and with good reason. A true game changer in any division race he might be part of.
Pros - A true ace pitcher, Halladay instantly improves the staff of any team lucky enough to land him. A lot. Remarkably durable, Halladay also piles up the innings. Has pitched against the big boys of the AL East his whole career, so may actually be even a bit stronger than his numbers suggest.
Cons - As the holders of the biggest fish in the trading sea, the Blue Jays will be asking for an arm, a leg, a head, a heart, the sun, the moon, and quite possibly a celestial body part to be named later. Halladay still comes with a rather large contractual commitment, so any team attempting to acquire him will need more budget space than most teams have. Has possibly "gone Canadian."
Bottom Line - I wrote before about the Cardinals' possible pursuit of Roy Halladay; at the time, I was in favour of it, but as time has passed, I've become much less sanguine. In the end, the talent cost for Halladay is going to be too large, too crippling. I doubt the Cards will part with the pieces, but the rumours refuse to die. Dan Descalso, my own pet prospect, is now being bandied about as part of a potential package, the thought of which kills me just a bit inside. On the one hand, I can certainly see how a player like Descalso is quite attractive. On the other, if he's being tossed around as possible trade fodder because the Cardinals think they already have their second baseman for the next few years, I swear I will start burning team assets to the ground. I'm not joking.
Matt Holliday, OF, Oakland Athletics - the favourite of many Cardinal fans, Holliday fits the criteria of what the Cards need to upgrade almost perfectly.
Pros - Even without the Coors Field Effect, Holliday is a very good hitter. Over the course of 392 plate appearances on the season, Holliday has posted an .821 OPS, which, for reference, is almost 150 points higher than that of Chris Duncan, and nearly 200 points higher than Rick Ankiel's OPS. He also plays plus defense in left field, something we aren't particularly well acquainted with around these parts. Best of all, he's right-handed.
Cons - Remember when I said he's a good hitter, even outside of Coors Field? I wasn't lying, but I was sort of skimming over the fact he is not an MVP candidate outside of it. Interestingly enough, he's still hitting much better at home than away, despite the fact Oakland's ballpark is notoriously tough on hitters. Billy Beane will attempt to extract a very high price for Holliday's services, knowing he's got a pair of draft picks on the way if he can't move Holliday for the right package.
Bottom Line - I'll be honest with you; I really don't get the fascination some people seem to have with Matt Holliday. He's a very good hitter, yes, but as I think has been pretty convincingly proven by now, he isn't the perennial MVP candidate guy when not playing half his games in Coors Field. As an employee of the Scott Boras Corporation, you can be sure Holliday will get a massive contract after the season, meaning he would likely be unsignable if brought in here. Billy Beane understands perfectly well the value of the draft picks he'll get if Holliday walks, and so won't accept anything less than top dollar for his slugger, I don't believe. With the cost to bring him in, plus the exorbitant contract demands, I just don't see how Holliday wears the Birds on the Bat any time soon. And by any time soon I mean ever.
Adam Dunn, OF (sort of), Washington Nationals - the former Cincinnati slugger is still one of the most feared bats in the game, both for the massive homers he hits and the ferocious winds he's capable of creating with his empty swings.
Pros - There may be no better hitter in all of baseball to hit in front of Albert Pujols than Dunn. The big strikeout totals have always concealed a player with extraordinary patience at the plate, as he has never walked less than 100 times in a full season. Just consider that for a second. Albert has walked more than 100 times only once in his career; Dunn has done it seven times.
Cons - Is left-handed. Perhaps the only player in baseball who could make one yearn, desperately, for the masterful glove work of Chris Duncan. Hates baseball, America, and most other things.
Bottom line - Dunn would be a bold, creative move for the Cardinals, and probably wouldn't break the bank nearly so much as a player like Holliday. He would add patience and power to a lineup sorely lacking in both. On the other hand, Dunn gives back a rather sizable portion of his value in the field, and his low contact rate could very well be a sore subject for both fans and coaches. Personally, I think a Dunn acquisition would be a great idea, as the Nationals are in truly dire straits, and need absolutely everything. Bring him in, stick him in the two hole, and just watch the runs roll in.
Cliff Lee, LHP, Cleveland Indians - Sort of the Plan B for several teams in the Halladay Hunt, Lee is nonetheless one of the best pitchers in baseball.
Pros - He's Cliff Fucking Lee. Durable. Dependable. And oh so very good.
Cons - The Indians have really no reason to deal Lee, who is signed at a reasonable rate for next season, when the Tribe hope to find themselves back in contention. The only reason Lee is even somewhat on the block is because of the potential return. With that in mind, the package offered for Lee would have to be overwhelming.
Bottom Line - Personally, I don't think Cliff Lee is getting dealt. He's wicked good, under contract, and the Indians feel they're very close to being a contending team again. The rumours keep swirling, that various teams really like him, but I think he ends the season still an Indian. As much as I would love to see Lee wearing a Cardinal uni, the price would be far too high, methinks. Pass.
Scott Downs, LHP, Toronto Blue Jays - One of the better left-handed relievers in the game, Downs is sure to draw some serious interest. Of course, the track record of former Blue Jay left relievers is a bit worrisome, but...
Pros - Can function in either a situational or setup role. Downs is posting an ERA+ better than 200 for the third straight season. His K/BB is better this year than at any other point in his career. Is signed to fairly reasonable contract for next season, with a salary of $4 million.
Cons - Is signed to a reasonable contract for next year, meaning the asking price in talent will be higher. Represents only a marginal upgrade due to position.
Bottom Line - A late bloomer, Downs has become one of the best relievers in the game after being moved to the bullpen by the Blue Jays. If the Jays are serious about starting over, Downs would make a great trade chip. Not all that likely an acquisition for the Cardinals, but I could certainly see them trying to upgrade the 'pen if they fail to pick up a player at a position of greater need.
Scott Rolen, 3B, Toronto Blue Jays - As part of their desire to begin a rebuilding process, Toronto will likely consider trading any valuable commodity not nailed down, and that certainly includes their former All-Star third baseman.
Pros - He's Scott Rolen.
Cons - He's Scott Rolen
Bottom Line - I'm really only including Scotty Ro here because Peter Gammons happened to mention on the radio the other day he was hearing the Cardinals might be interested in acquiring Scott Rolen. Unless Tony La Russa is part of the package going to Toronto, I don' t really see this happening, but please god, let this happen.
Clay Buchholz, RHP, Boston Red Sox - We all know the story of Clay Buchholz; kid phenom comes to the majors, tosses a no-hitter, then promptly fell flat on his face in his attempt to follow it up.
Pros - Has ace potential, probably better stuff than anyone else on this list not named Halladay. (And even that's debatable.) Young, cost-controlled, and good. What more could you ask for? Seems to have turned things around after getting knocked around big time in 2008.
Cons - Won't come cheap, as the Red Sox are perfectly well aware of just how talented Buchholz is.
Bottom Line - Of all the players on the list, this is the one I most wish the Cardinals would target. The Red Sox are known to be looking for a young bat to play first base and DH, sort of a guy to replace Big Papi. Both Buchholz and Michael Bowden have been rumoured to be on the trade block, but I prefer Buchholz big time. It just so happens the Cardinals have a young bat with no real position who isn't all that far off. I think there could be a match here, and this sort of move would have enormous repercussions for the organisation for a long, long time. Of course, the Cards also could have saved themselves the headache by just drafting Buchholz in 2005, rather than taking Tyler Greene and hoping he was still there in the supplemental round...
A few other players of interest:
Josh Willingham - Could serve as either a left fielder or a utility player with a nice bat.
Brandon Wood - The Angels just can't seem to figure out what the hell they want to do with Wood, and I think he's suffered from the constant uncertainty and shuttling back and forth. Still a shortstop who slugs near .600. I would certainly have interest.
The Whole Pirates Roster - The Pirates are apparently willing to part with just about anyone and everyone, with Freddy Sanchez and Andy LaRoche both being names that would appeal to the Cardinals. Zach Duke and Paul Maholm are also both very intriguing talents, but I'm not sure Pittsburgh wants to deal in division. (Except if the Cubs call, asking for a freebie, of course.)
I'm sure there are others, plenty of them, in fact, but my hands grow weary.
Looking at this list, it seems apparent to me that the Cardinals are probably going to struggle in attempting to upgrade this roster very much. Where they need help, there's very little, and the pitching help is all likely to be very pricey indeed.
Personally, I think Clay Buchholz would make the perfect trade target. He would represent an immediate impact, by sliding into Todd Wellemeyer's spot in the rotation, and could also be a long-term rotation solution, as his upside is higher than any pitcher in the Cardinals' farm system right now. With what Boston is looking for, Brett Wallace might very well fit in such a deal, and as much as I like Wallace, I think that's just the sort of trade I would be willing to move him in.
The Baron's Playlist for the 22nd of July, 2009
As promised to someone in last Wednesday's thread, I present to you my list of the fifteen worst song covers ever. (I thought it was a list of ten, until I actually opened the file. Yes, I type up my crazy made up lists.) William Shatner covers don't count, as they aren't bad, they're just too brilliant for most people to understand.
- "Downtown Train" - Rod Stewart
- "Fairytale of New York" - Ronan Keating
- "I Love Rock and Roll"** - Britney Spears
- "Folsom Prison Blues" - Keb' Mo
- "My Generation" - Hillary Duff
- "911 Is a Joke" - Duran Duran (No, that isn't a typo)
- "American Pie" - Madonna
- "Anarchy in the UK/ USA" - Motley Crue
- "And It Stoned Me" - Bob Dylan
- "Open Arms" - Mariah Carey
- "Sweet Child of Mine" - Sheryl Crow
- "When a Man Loves a Woman" - Michael Bolton
- "The Dock of the Bay" - Michael Bolton
- "Love Me Tender" - David Hasselhoff
- "You Shook Me All Night Long" - Celine Dion
** - The rare double cover, in which a cover version manages to appear on both a best and worst list. The Arrows wrote and recorded "I Love Rock and Roll", Joan Jett made it awesome, and Britney Spears tortured and then murdered it.
I just realised, the blog software only allows for lists to go from low to high, so reverse the order to get a proper countdown effect.
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You should add a paragraph about Julio Lugo
You know, just in case.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
See, I figured
“Oh, he’s a DFA guy, and I don’t really see the Cardinals going out and getting a guy who doesn’t really represent any kind of marked upgrade. That would just be silly.”
Why do the Cardinals hate me so much?
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 22, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And now apparently the buzz is that it didn't happen and Chris got optioned.
Have faith Baron, the Cardinals don’t hate you. It was a test! This is your “sacrifice of Isaac” moment.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Viva el Biblical
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 22, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know Tom Waits; Tom Waits is a friend of mine*; and you, Rod Stewart, are no Tom Waits.
*not actually true
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 22, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stewart
was so excellent when he arrived with Jeff Beck. The long slide into disco platitudes have diluted one of the great blues voices. Tom Waits is an acquired taste.
by OperaCard on Jul 22, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did Stewart do with Jeff Beck?
I know he (Stewart) and Ron Wood kicked ass in the Faces (“Stay with Me” is one of the best rock’n’roll songs EVAH!), but I didn’t know he ever teamed up with Beck…
by santiagofish on Jul 22, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Jeff Beck Group
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 22, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes.
What a gaffe! That’s what I get for not taking ten seconds to google it…
by santiagofish on Jul 22, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read
a story on Stewart a gazillion years ago in Rolling Stone in which he described a record company exec coming up to him after a show with The Jeff Beck Group and saying something like, “Great show, Jeff. And your guitarist kicks ass.”
by Youneverknow on Jul 22, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1, the Album "Truth" is totally badass
There is no doubt that Jimmy Page listened to “Truth” once or twice before recording the first Zep album. Rod Mod is on top of his game, and Beck is as always ridiculous.
youneverknow
by floodOfLove on Jul 22, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you love exploration FoL
there are 4 or 5 bootlegs of Zeppelin concerts along with a few Hendrix live in Europe in the UseNet system. You can almost smell the Marshall vacuum tubes burning!
Alt.binaries.sounds.Mp3 1960s and 70s.
by OperaCard on Jul 22, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
floodOfLove
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Jul 22, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My question
is why would the Red Sox want a 1st base/DH when they have Lars Anderson coming up and is a great prospect?
At Fangraphs, they suggest Carl Pavano might be a nice addition, especially to a NL club, and make a case that would make me think that he might be a good fit for us this year.
by JBagKY on Jul 22, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I found that intriguing
To my surprise Pavano really looks like one of those “very unlucky with the traditional stats, could be a great bargain” types. His K/BB, his FIP, etc. all look pretty darn good. BABIP kinda high, LOB% could also be unlucky, etc.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carl Pavano
I think Pavano would make a good fit for the role he would serve on this team. It depends what we’re looking for in the trade deadline. A replacement for Wellemeyer, or another ace at the top of the rotation? Personally, I don’t think the latter is as pressing of a need for what it would take to acquire that kind of pitcher.
If you look beyond ERA, he really is putting together a solid year. I have a little bit more on him here.
Doug Davis is another name worth considering as well.
by rockin the red on Jul 22, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carl Pavano looks like a great addition
when you consider that he is worth almost 2 runs more than 4 players combined on our team. (Ankiel, Duncan, Thurston, and Wellemeyer combine for a whopping .6 war.) Pavano 2.5. He’d probly be cheap and he’d definitely be better than Wellemeyer. I can’t even watch games when he pitches anymore.
The poster formerly known as JoeyBombs.
by RasRoY on Jul 22, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
we all know the deals that count are made before the 31st of July
So the Larry Walker trade didn’t count? :P
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 22, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping to see a post like this soon...
Thanks for the analysis. I was really big on picking up Halladay and still would be excited, probably swooningly so since that would mean no more last nights.. but Our top 4 are doing well, and that’s all that matters come playoffs. Welly won’t be pitching there. Hopefully.
Holliday, I like him alright, and we need an upgrade in LF badly. Badly. I like Duncan and Ankiel, I like them enough that it hurts me how badly they are doing. I don’t get down on them but results are results and they just simply aren’t performing. I didn’t want to trade Dunc or Ank when the rumours were swirling last year, but as far as team benefit over player loyalty I wished it happened.
Bucholz- I love good pitchers with fun stuff..but giving up Wallace for him seems a little tough…a talented young hitting prospect for young talented pitching prospect. I say just let Oquendo loose on Wallace and teach him infield better..it worked for Skippy. (I think, look at his double plays..the one with BRyan tossing it to Skip and Skips cannon to first. I jumped for joy).
..playlist..I didn’t read the caption before the list and almost decided to never read your posts again.
by ADMDrayson on Jul 22, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually thinking about the Bucholz trade..
last time we traded a good young hitter for a young pitcher it was JD Drew for Wainwright (and Marquis and Ray King), but we got Wainwright.
by ADMDrayson on Jul 22, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
weird timing for this post, eh?
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or not
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm confused
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or are you?
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jul 22, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I say England's greatest Prime Minister was Lord Palmerston!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pitt the Elder!
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
by tgreenfield on Jul 22, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lord Palmerston!!!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gladstone!!
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Jul 22, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After I punch out Wade Boggs I'm coming for the both of you
Possibly my favorite Simpsons episode.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Halladay's suitors
From Jayson Stark:
“Ricciardi said he considers four teams to be “really, really serious” bidders on Halladay, with “a couple” of others “on the periphery.” It’s believed that the Philadelphia Phillies continue to top that list, with the St. Louis Cardinals, Milwaukee Brewers, Los Angeles Dodgers and Chicago White Sox still involved at various levels, and the Tampa Bay Rays and Boston Red Sox continuing to check in."
So, are the Cards one of the “really, really serious” teams that Ricciardi himself mentioned?
by santiagofish on Jul 22, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am concerned that the Brewers are still in the mix
They get Halladay, we are not making the playoffs. Bank on it.
/gut-feeling
I’m okay with Mo continuing negotiations if only to push the price beyond what the Brew Crew can afford.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 22, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to like Mo
He’s crazy like a fox.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 22, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, he strikes me as a smart guy.
also, he sounds little like nicholas cage, which weirds me out.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 22, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He reminds me a lot of a high school buddy of mine
Somewhat in looks, mostly in speech and inflection, that sort of thing. They’re both very intelligent and they both have Polish names too!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
That’s great! It just came to me as well.
by hghallstar on Jul 22, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
most reports I've read
suggest they’re at least still in it. Of course, getting down to it, both GMs are gonna end up playing the old “Eh, they’re asking too much/No offers have overwhelmed me” game up until the deadline.
Saw something the other day that suggested the Cards would have enough ammo to do it without Rasmus, which seemed to be a “dealbreaker” for Mo (and most, if not all, of us fans).
Whether or not we get Halladay, I am excited that we’re in the conversation. I get so sick of not being included in the conversation…every year we hear all about how X, Y, and Z are serious players for Joe Trade Target, yet the Cards never seem to come up. For once Cards fans can kinda fantasize about acquiring an impact player instead of simply assuming he’ll go to NYY, Mets, BOS, LAD, or CHC as per usual.
by goodymobb on Jul 22, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duchcsherer...
hasn’t pitched at all this year, and won’t likely be off the DL before the deadline.
I’d call the D-Backs and see what they want for Doug Davis or call the Pirates about Ian Snell. Snell hates Pittsburgh and has an 0.34 ERA in AAA, including a 17 K game, since being sent down a month ago. While Halladay, Lee or even Buchholz would be nice, we just need someone, anyone, not named Wellemeyer in the 5th spot.
by mopack on Jul 22, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Doug Davis makes sense to me too.
Snell is interesting, but Albert wears him out so much that it would be a shame if he’d never get to face him again.
by goodymobb on Jul 22, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like a good buy-low...
opportunity. The guy obviously has the stuff and he’s still young enough to think he can put it together again. Get him around a club that’s in contention and see how he does when he’s pitching in an actual meaningful game.
by mopack on Jul 22, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit. You're right.
I’ve got Duchscherer mixed up with somebody else, but I can’t think of who. My bad, everyone.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 22, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe.
Gammons (atleast i think it was him) had a post yesterday comparing Duchscherer’s numbers from last year to Halladay’s this year. That might be the confusion.
by mopack on Jul 22, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
Like I said, I have no idea where that came from, so I took Duchscherer out. Serves me right for doing the bottom section off the top of my head, rather than actually looking anything up.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 22, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fine you 200 internet dollars
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 22, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fire up the van, Mo. time to pillage the desperate!
Though: Buchholz getting Duncan’d. That’s an intriguing thought.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 22, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i love the idea of bucholz for wallace
That’s exactly the kind of thing that makes complete sense for the cards. Too bad anderson is injured, since he would have made an excellent complement to that trade package.that, like halladay, will be a wallace ++ trade.
Also, hooray willingham, boo dunn.
On the long list of offenses meriting specially instituting the death penalty for rod stewart, “downtown train” is the lead charge.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 12:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
you can boo dunn
while he hits home runs and helps Pujols stay in the RBI lead.
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and while our pitchers ERA shoot up? and when we miss out on a FA in the off-season
b/c we owe him $10M for league average performance? can i boo him then?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't see how he's "league average"
I don’t care how bad his defense is. This team needs runs. I heard all the run saved vs run scored talk, I just can’t be convinced otherwise that Dunn wouldn’t help the cardinals and that he wouldn’t be worth his salary.
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its easy.
He’s been worth 23.0 runs over replacement offensively, while being 23.4 runs below replacement defensively. 90+ games into the season and he has a 0.8 WAR. Josh Willingham, on the other hand, has been worth 1.8 WAR, 250% the value of Dunn.
by mopack on Jul 22, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it's a good thing
I don’t fully understand or car that much about defensive metrics. If we were talking about a slightly above average hitter, then defense becomes important. 100+ walks & 40+ hrs is far from slightly above average.
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
defense is only relevant to average to slightly above average hitters?
so if a superstar misses outs left and right, they don’t count or hurt the team?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously you can't have 8 adam dunn's on defense
but if you have 7 average to great defenders + 1 adam dunn you will be fine. how many misplays has Manny had in his career?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good question
I’ve seen more of Manny than I have of Dunn. How many runs is he below replacement on defense?
by sdrone on Jul 22, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
will having adam dunn sink the team? no. but his defense
subtracts in a huge way from his value. he ranks between melky cabrera and corey hart in value.
manny’s value is diminished by his defense too. In 2007, he had a slump at the plate and was almost worthless — he hit 20 HR that year and was still a below average player.
defense is more important than a lot of people think.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea if Adam Dunn could play defense
The Nats would be in first place… or at least have 30 wins.
The poster formerly known as JoeyBombs.
by RasRoY on Jul 22, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he'd be replacing Chris Duncan.
He’s not replacing a “league average” fielder. He’s replacing Chris Duncan.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jul 22, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he'd be better, no doubt.
he’s a worse fielder than duncan but a much better hitter.
i wasn’t saying he’s not an upgrade. he’s just not enough of an upgrade to put that kind of money into.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but with Colby in CF, and a good SS & 3rd base,
isn’t his D a moot point?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno about moot (pun totally intended, deal with it)
But I would think it would at least lessen the impact.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Duncan wasn't exactly the full-time LF
Dunn, right now, would be replacing some strange combo of DeRosa, Duncan, Ankiel, Stavinfection, the ghost of Felipe Lopez and Fredbird, wouldn’t he?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel's the best outfielder of that bunch.
but he’s also the worst hitter of that bunch by a mile (well, Stav and Fredbird are giving him a run for the crown).
I think, Dunn is an upgrade over everyone on that list if you move DeRo to 3rd permanently.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jul 22, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might agree with you
Has Ankiel spent enough time in LF for any defensive metrics to really mean anything yet? I imagine not, just curious if anybody knows offhand.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would we want Dunn,
when we can probably get Willingham from the same team for less prospects, less money, and more value?
Decrease runs scored?
Maybe.
Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
-SFTU
by hazel on Jul 22, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I believe we should target Willingham or Cody Ross.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 22, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm no chick, but I dig the long ball
I’ll admit a bit of irrationality(is that a word, and if so, sp?) on the matter. I just want Dunn
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing is, even though I'm not really behind Dunn,
he still really fits into that average-to-moderately-above-or-below-with-some-upside-or-no-upside-LF-who-could-add-2-wins-over-the-remainder-of-the-season mould like Kearns/Dukes/Ross/Murton/Willingham/Schumaker/Edmonds/Bonds almost anyone could add significant value to this team by playing LF for us.
Decrease runs scored?
Maybe.
Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
-SFTU
by hazel on Jul 22, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's supposed to be easy to find a decent LF, right?
We have great options at CF and RF but LF is a black hole of doom for us.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
But with a $10MM price tag this year and $12MM price tag the next.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 22, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, consider for your BEST cover
list:
“Sunday Morning Coming Down” by Crooked Fingers
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 12:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
+1
rec’d — truly awesome cover.
Kris Kristofferson: Most underappreciated song-writer in the last half century?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 22, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he's pretty good at taking out vampires
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laura Nyro.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Jul 22, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i might
actually be willing to think about wallace for buchholz. though, i’d like to get buchholz and a hitting prospect back, too. we need offense more than pitching and brett wallace seems most likely to be able to fill that hole
that said, chone figgins!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jul 22, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Carl Pavano
Carl Pavano is the perfect candidate for our #5 spot.
He woun’t cost much, he’d be easy to deal for, and he’s an instant upgrade over Welly.
Many more reasons are detailed in this fangraphs post…
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/potential-trade-deadline-bargain-carl-pavano/
by salukihoops on Jul 22, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am actually on the Willingham-wagon
I think he’s a poor-man’s version of Holliday, with minimal salary commitment, that could probably be had with a B-level prospect (purely speculatory). Without diving into too much statistical interpretation, I think Willingham is a decent grab for left field. 28 years old, Career line of .268/.367/.480/.847/121 (BA/OBP/SLG/OPS/OPS+), which he is outperforming this season to a tune of .283/.406/.537/.942/148, and owed a prorated $2.95M for the remainder of the year, FA after that. Again, should be a minimal cost for a cheap RH bat whose defensive average-ness is probably better than Glaus/Duncan in LF. I think he could be a decent grab.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jul 22, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His hitting this year (just guessing) lookis a tick better than Luddy's last year
A bit more on-base, a bit less slugging. I have no idea how his splits/platoon stuff breaks down though. One of those quietly competent guys that I learn about every so often and think “he’d be nice to fill a hole with”.
(Pre-emptive TWSS)
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willinham is a fine player, above average
But unfortunately due to his flaming start this year, he might be overpriced. Then again, the Nats should be looking to sell high on him…
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I attempted a fan shot about Kevin Correiha(don't remember how to spell it)
wouldn’t help come playoff time, but you have to get to the playoffs before you win in the playoffs, and he would surely be an improvement over Wellemeyer
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Duncan to Memphis
is it true?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes; link
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jul 22, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so Dunkiel
now become Stavkiel? Ank-Infection? Craigkiel? DeRokiel?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or bring Ray Lankford back
and have Rick?ANKiel? (caps is the lankford part of the name)
The poster formerly known as JoeyBombs.
by RasRoY on Jul 22, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it has stan in it, it has to be good right?
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
by elirock83 on Jul 22, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going more for "stank" to describe their play
but I applaud your optimistic approach
by Ray Lankford on Jul 22, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Ascent of Stan
That little ditty by Ben Folds is now stuck in my head. Which isn’t a bad thing actually.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on Jul 22, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although that song is not my favorite
The Album “rockin the suburbs” is still one of my all time faves
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great album
Ben Folds is awesome
The poster formerly known as JoeyBombs.
by RasRoY on Jul 22, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on both counts
I just have an encyclopedic knowledge of useless bullshit and can reference it nearly at will, especially for completely unrelated topics. Ask me to remember something for work and I’m screwed.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on Jul 22, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Train your brain.
I simply classify work as “useless bullshit that makes me money.”
Voila. I remember everything.
by sdrone on Jul 22, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or convince yourself there is a 31st ML team with a "roster"
that includes players like “V.P. Uvmarketing.”
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This can't be TLR's decision
I can’t imagine after his comments yesterday he was in favor of this. Good job Mo. This is in the best interest of the club.
by OCCardsFan on Jul 22, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you imagine the insane lineup we'll be seeing tonight
in protest of this move?
I can only guess that Dave McKay will be starting in LF.
by dcfcblues on Jul 22, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't mind seeing..
the SW at 2nd for nostalgia reasons.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Jul 22, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
should be interesting
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been a proponent
for dealing for Sanchez for a while now. He’s got the ability to be our best defender at 2B and 3B and provides a good bat for the #2 spot or even 2nd leadoff.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Then Skip shifts to LF
And we have solved two problems, right?
by Ray Lankford on Jul 22, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Or he stays at 2B, DeRosa goes to LF and Sanchez to 3B.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
Skip to LF, DeRo to 2b and Freddy to 3b.
*I dont know how good DeRo is at being a 2b, but to me it seems like a good fit all around.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 22, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would give up a lot to get Sanchez
can you imagine the RBI totals for Pujols with Sanchez always getting on in front of him?
by dcfcblues on Jul 22, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh
.350 obp is good, but it’s not amazing. especially considering he’s hitting .311.
Although it’s a vast improvement over a lot of what we’ve got on the team right now, but it’s not an amazing level. But he would help out immensly.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jul 22, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a contact guy
watching him, he’s a guy that will chase bad pitches but make contact with them as well. He takes the ball the other way a lot like Yadi does.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, i get that.
I’m just not wanting people to think he gets on base at a .400 clip or something which is what looked to be starting to happen.
Is he a major upgrade for the top of our order? You betcha.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jul 22, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And consider the fact that he would have so much better protection
in the 2 hole in front of Pujols. So the average could go up as well.
The poster formerly known as JoeyBombs.
by RasRoY on Jul 22, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would give up that same amount
to get Yunel Escobar, if he is truly available. He made webgems twice last night…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 22, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a Braves fan friend who loathes Escobar
I still can’t figure out why. I told him I’d trade him Ankiel for Escobar and he said “Hell yeah!”
Unfortunately his name is not Frank Wren.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 22, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Life is cruel that way
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is his name Dayton Moore?
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 22, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooh, good point!
Moore has to be sour after he missed out on Jeff Francoueeurezeeauxur, I’ll bet he’d be ecstatic to trade for Ankiel. And think of the Jos Posnanski articles that would follow! That’d be so awesome.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't remember whether i read an actual article
or it was some bs comment post, but i’ve read that Yunel is one of those uncoachable guys.
Plus, his hair just screams “DBAG”. but, alas, let us not judge him for his hair…
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
by BVHeck on Jul 22, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be willing to see if Oquendo, a haircut, and a brand new mustache could cure him
Price would have to be right
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is nothing D-Baggy about this
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yunel is good.
He’s young. He’s different, a cuban defector. He plays with flash; he makes mental mistakes. Sure. That sounds exactly like the kind of player LaRussa wants on the team.
“Uncoachable?” Try young, flashy, and doesn’t speak or understand English very well. Throw in some cultural differences, like growing up playing in an environment that liked, even encouraged the flash. The Braves would be stupid if they move him for any of the above reasons. I don’t think they’re stupid. You would have to give them an uber prospect to even discuss Yunel.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Jul 22, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yunel is overrated
He is a 3 WAR player, who is in his prime and will be starting arbitration soon. That’s valuable, but not worthy of an Uber prospect. He would only be a 1 win upgrade over Ryan anyways.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
Position scarcity. 3, 2, 1 WAR, doesn’t matter. There currently isn’t enough adequate shortstops to go around, of any age.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Jul 22, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan is an adequate shortstop
Yunel is more adequate, but so much that it’s worth giving a shitload to Braves for.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buckholz is way too good of a prospect
He has a career 4.30 FIP in the majors and has not even come close to realizing his potential. I think he would take more than Wallace to get.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he's pitched a no hitter and Wallace hasn't even played a day in the majors yet
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bud Smith pitched a no hitter
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bud Smith never had Buccholz's stuff
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they are going to trade Wallace
I would much rather get a proven commodity not past his prime than a could be great
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's proven that he's capable of being an above average pitcher in the majors
He also has the potential to be an ace. The downside on this trade is a 3 WAR pitcher who is cost controlled. The upside is 5-6 WAR pitcher that is cost controlled. I would say that Wallace looks to be somewhere in the middle, making it a perfectly good trade.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe I just hate anything associated with Boston
or maybe I’m just uninformed when it comes to Buc-whatever-holz, but I’m not overly intrigued by him
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on hating Boston everything
"It reminds us of all that once was good, and could be again." - Terence Mann.
by TurdFerguson on Jul 22, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Wallace isn't exactly a proven commodity either.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
neither was colby this time last year
in my opinion if wallace played excellent defense he would be an amazing prospect. and that is exactly what he will be if we trade him to boston. his defense will no longer matter and he will just be a fantastic bat.
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
by FutureMan on Jul 22, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll also lose a shitload of value for being a DH
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible he'd gain value?
Isn’t it possible to gain value by moving to DH, even after positional adjustment, if your defense was bad enough at your previous position? All hypothetical of course. If he were truly that bad then I don’t think there would be as much disagreement about his defense in the first place.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He would have to be -20 at third
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it's pretty difficult
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
-17.5, actually.
I just got done writing a 15 page research paper on advanced metrics for an english class. haha
by mopack on Jul 22, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The DH penalty is -17.5 runs
The third base adjustment is +2.5 runs.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You get to write about baseball for English?
That’s pretty awesome, I’m stuck with fucking Shakespeare.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How bad did your HW have to be ...
that you got stuck fucking Shakespeare?
by etp_stl on Jul 22, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
yeah.
just a basic writing class where we get to pick the topic. So far I’ve written a comparison essay on Maddux and RJ and the research paper on sabermetrics. Pretty cool. AND on top of that, my professor was volunteering at a fundraising beer stand at Miller Park when the Cards were in town, so I bought beers from him too.
by mopack on Jul 22, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best. Class. Ever.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a college credit for
Racketball
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 22, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got an A in piano
and to this day, still can’t play the piano
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Bud Smith than Welley
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cards beat on stltoday is now saying barden likely gets the call.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What does Craig have to do? Seriously?
by Ray Lankford on Jul 22, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stop sleeping with TLR's family members?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
start sleeping with TLR's family members?
by mopack on Jul 22, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hit better than a .770 OPS at Memphis?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's still a much better "prospect" than Stavinoha
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't there some upward trajectory with Craig at least?
His OPS for the last 7, 14, and 28 days are all over 1.000
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure how predictive trends are
Maybe it’s different in the minors.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, isn't half a season in the minors a little weak too?
I mean, I know the 7/14/28 days stuff is tiny sample size, but it at least says he’s doing something right at the present moment. Even Ankiel’s full season stats to this point overestimate how bad he is right now.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I'm confused
In the majors, trends have been proven to be crap. However, in the minors it could mean that the player in question is “adjusting” better and it might be more predictive than earlier on in the season. This is where it would be nice to have a scouting report on Craig.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's kind of what I meant
Only you did a better job putting into words.
All I remember about Craig is that some people were big believers in his hitting (Sickels maybe?) and I never really heard his defense discusses until recently, which led me to just assume it was good enough.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sickels does like Craig, I remember reading that.
Decrease runs scored?
Maybe.
Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
-SFTU
by hazel on Jul 22, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hat tip
to Duncan for accepting the move to AAA.
Is anyone interested to see what Jay would do?
by TNCardsFan on Jul 22, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On what basis is his consent required?
by guayzimi on Jul 22, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's out of options or something
The PD article linked says he approved it.
by sdrone on Jul 22, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has options but has over 3 years of playing itme
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 22, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did it become a three year rule?
I thought it was five.
by guayzimi on Jul 22, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno when
But check the Basic Agreement page 78
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 22, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THAT is true.
and if I were GM, craig would be up right now. i just don’t think that he’s the no-brainer move that some people think he is.
if somebody said, should we burn a roster spot on a guy who may come up and not hit better than what we have, i understand why the club hasn’t jumped on craig yet.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't your own analysis show...
that he has to be on the 40 man this winter to avoid Rule V anyway? Not really wasting a roster spot in the end.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Jul 22, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he does -- there's some room there. like i said, they'll probably want one
spot for pagnozzi. making room for craig or jay would be a little complicated, but possible — probably mather would hit the 60-day DL. outrighting someone — say, shane robinson — would clear another spot. it’s not insurmountable, but it has a cost. for instance, if craig comes up and bombs, and we need to make a trade, finding a further spot may get even harder.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if craig bombs, outright him
the lack of a call up this year leads me to believe Craig won’t be protected from the Rule V draft, so might as well have a test drive while they can.
by ubeddie on Jul 22, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so many options....
I first heard about the Dunn interest from Joe Strauss on Bernie’s radio show, either Monday or yesterday. And I thought to myself “you know what… that actually makes some sense.” I mean we’re used to not so hot defense in LF anyway, and I sure do like his bat and walk rate, strikeouts be damned. I would actually be very satisfied if the Cards made this move. Rumor is that Nats officials were scouting Memphis as recently as Monday or Tuesday as well (I think I picked this up in mlbtraderumors.com or else Strauss’ twitter). Anyway, I’m not sure what it would take (maybe a couple mid-range prospects?) but I’d like it.
Also, I’m really keen on Wallace. But if we could one-for-one with Boston for Clay Bucholz, I would very much be all about that. That would be a hell of a… i don’t know what. Not a coup, because I’d see it being more win-win. Anyway, love this idea too RB.
Lastly, as AC/DC’s “You Shook Me All Night Long” was the first song I ever learned to play to completion on the guitar – solo and all (yes, I was quite proud of myself)- I can’t even begin to fathom the depths of Hell it must have felt like to listen to Celene Dion sing perform… sigh…. there are no words.
by A1R3Z on Jul 22, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
once more...
…you’ve opened the door…
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
really? like that?
Like watching the Titanic sink – you know how utterly disastrous it’s going to end, but you just… can’t… stop… watching.
Thank you for allowing me one of my favorite metaphors.
by A1R3Z on Jul 22, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just like watching all the people richocet (sp?) off of stuff
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
The guy who literally bounced off what looked like a table bolted to the deck really caught me off guard the first time I watched it – one of those half laughs, half “oh jesus” moments in a room full of silence. I got the feeling everyone else didn’t find it as amusing as I did.
by A1R3Z on Jul 22, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favorite metaphor, eh?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL "...the firm but icy hand of Science triumphant."
Bravo, the Onion, bravo
by A1R3Z on Jul 22, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goo bad they got sold to the Chinese.
Actually it’s totally awesome.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Too bad" not "Goo bad"
In my defense, G is close to T on the keyboard.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that headline and forgot to actually view it
Looks hilarious
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suppan just gave up three homers in the span of four batters
He’s given up four so far through three innings; Pirates lead Brewers 5-2.
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 22, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looper really let me down
he was giving up gopher balls at a huge rate until last night. Then he wins a 2-0 shutout.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd and 3rd, 2 outs in the second inning for the Phils against Big Z
2 out his are important for scoring runs.
Unfortunately, the batter is Paul Bako.
Oh well.
by mojowo11 on Jul 22, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't download dirty pictures of Erin Andrews
Even if you are on a mac—Figured I’d post this as it seems to be the ultimate honey pot for our baseball loving bloggers here.
by cloistermaximus on Jul 22, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how about
don’t install a media player you’ve never heard of
period
by brackenthebox on Jul 22, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
[Quietly deletes "TrojanSeXWyrmMediaPlayerByAdWarezPlus.zip" from his harddrive...]
Yeah, what’s with these morans!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
leave me out of this
i haven’t even seen the video
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have
She’s a beautiful woman, for sure, but I felt a little dirty and creepy just watching it.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 22, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you think I felt shooting it?
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
lulz
Rec
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 22, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
awesome
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gave this the 5th rec...
You keep that in mind…
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 22, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you banking rec's for the future over there?
Cause that’s totally cheating.
by ducttape16 on Jul 22, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole Erin Andrews thing is just depressing.
It’s a terrible thing to happen to somebody, and of course there have already been stupid reactions to it as well. And of course the damn malware bunch has to get involved too! Sometimes I feel like I could get behind capital punishment for people who write viruses.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depressing in that
it’s not full color HD video?
She’s a celebrity. And she’s well paid. I’m not worried about her.
by sdrone on Jul 22, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit.
No one should be subject having someone break into their home or hotel room or whatever like that. I don’t care who you are. If she’s out in public and can’t cover her crotch while getting out of a limo, that’s one thing. But she was alone in her hotel room and this fucking pervert stuck a camera through the peephole. That’s a crime and an invasion of privacy no matter how famous someone is.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jul 22, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That is my feeling about it too
And I usually don’t have much pity for celebrities, because so many of them do stupid stuff and invite the trouble. Imagine if a friend of yours were just an attractive woman and a creep did the same thing to her in her hotel room. Also, celebrities already have different standards applied to them in many areas, such as different rules for slander and libel since they are public figures. I think I have to draw the line at this.
Anyway, the geeky blog-obsession with Erin Andrews is pretty silly but mostly harmless; now it is going to become a scapegoat and yet more fodder for stupid writers to blame things on. I am very worried about that.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I also think it has to be literally scary for her to stay in a hotel. How vulnerable must she feel? I don’t mean just her privacy. I mean her safety.
by Youneverknow on Jul 22, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't recall saying it wasn't a crime or invasion of privacy
I’m not sure what getting worked up about celebrity invasion of privacy on the internet is accomplishing.
by sdrone on Jul 22, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that you're feeding into it
by watching the video and adding to the creepiness and broadening the invasion of privacy.
The you there is in the plural form, I do not mean to single you out as you may not have even watched the video.
I think we can agree that it is wrong to surreptitiously videotape people naked, and it is also wrong to get off on the fruits of those acts. If it were your sister, and you liked your sister, you’d be pissed.
by dugmartsch on Jul 22, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it were your sister, and you liked your sister
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 22, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
not like like your sister, just a qualifier for those who have acrimonious relationships with their siblings.
by dugmartsch on Jul 22, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
Malware is just reward for people who aren’t satisfied with the large selection of women who want to, or were at least paid to, be seen naked on the internet, and who are also pretty fucking stupid about it.
If its 2009 and you’ve been using computers for a while and you haven’t learned not to install programs you aren’t 100% sure about, you deserve to have your computer zombified.
by dugmartsch on Jul 22, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And even then
I’ve installed stuff that turned out to be a virus, and that’s what anti-virus is for it automatically stops that shit.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 22, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that it happens to dumb people doesn't make it OK
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not just dumb
but dumb people trolling for creepy videos.
Cost of doing business.
by dugmartsch on Jul 22, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's fitting ...
that if you download such an abhorent violation of the lady’s privacy that you get a virus. It’s already pretty obvious that you have some kind of illness for helping to perpetuate that kind of crap.
by etp_stl on Jul 22, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
50 internet bucks says it was Rick Sutcliffe who did it
he’s obsessed with her
by dcfcblues on Jul 22, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is disgusting and horrible
FAP
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 22, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Boston just K the entire paragraph on Bucholz
by trading for LaRoche?
by slash2049 on Jul 22, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It drives me INSANE that it seems like everyone BUT the Cards
ponies up to the trough that is the Pirates organization.
by sdrone on Jul 22, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been wanting him since he requested a demotion.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jul 22, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've been wanting him since 2006!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well....that too!!
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jul 22, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously, the guy doesn't want to play in Pitt
why won’t they deal him?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaRoche...
isn’t any good. Not sure what there is to be envious about here.
by guayzimi on Jul 22, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not envious of LaRoche...
Just that it doesn’t look like Boston would be looking for another 1B/DH guy in exchange for Bucholz following this trade
by slash2049 on Jul 22, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pirates have 2 players we can use. Right now.
We never seem to talk to these guys. And I’m not sure why.
by sdrone on Jul 22, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They ripped us off...
something terrible last time. It was a while ago though…
by guayzimi on Jul 22, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Pena Ruled!
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 22, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Organization might be miffed
after the Matt Morris situation, although we lucked out.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They only help the Cubs...
/still bitter about A-Ram
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 22, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Boston, I've heard nothing of Bucholz on the block
The Red Sox are trying to move Brad Penny to the NL. They figure they’ll land prospects for him despite his struggles in the AL ,as most of the NL contenders are desperate for a #3/4 starter which is what he slots to in the NL.
by olddomination on Jul 22, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitt Post Gazette
and ESPN have it reported
by slash2049 on Jul 22, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is, except for Halliday
The Sox were going to acquire a 1B/3B guy so as to rest Lowell down the stretch.
by olddomination on Jul 22, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now, we are trotting replacement level players in LF and 5th starter
Here are a couple of players who we could get for almost nothing that would likely represent at least a 1 WAR upgrade in those positions:
Austin Kearns
Ian Snell
Matt Murton
Jim Edmonds (can he still play?)
Those guys would be amazingly helpful, and given the difference in cost between, say, Halladay ans Snell, it would probably better to get the latter.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Snell
anyday… unlike Wellemeyer Snell at least has flashes of brilliance every month or so
by slash2049 on Jul 22, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, ZIPS projects a 4.30 FIP
So right now, he’s above average, and he has potential to be better.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Jimmy of 08
in LF
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
by BVHeck on Jul 22, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about this???
What if Johnny Mo called up Boston and Oakland and worked a three team trade like this:
Boston Gives Up: Clay Bucholz to Oakland
Oakland Gives Up: Matt Holliday and a double A prospect to saint louis and the AA prospect goes to Boston
Saint Louis Gives Up: Ankiel to Oakland with Wellemeyer and Kyle McClellan and Pete Kozma to Boston
"i'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse."- Marlon Brando
by Matt on Sports on Jul 22, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No team would take Wellemeyer
Especially Boston—they have better pitchers than him in their sub-A level farm system.
by olddomination on Jul 22, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good one...
isn’t there a rule in the community guidelines about this kind of thing?
by guayzimi on Jul 22, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re:
Posts wherein Ankiel and Wellemeyer are accepted in trades by non-Pittsburgh clubs
by olddomination on Jul 22, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys, guys
I was once a newb. I used to have irrational love for David Eckstein and So Taguchi (actually I still love So Taguchi and I won’t back down on it) (and really, Eckstein was something like a 4 WAR player in 2005 wasn’t he? He was at least good/decent for a while, I never got the hatred for him by some) and now I’m a much, much smarter baseball fan because of this blog.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get off my lawn!
But basically Kozma for Holliday AND a prospect?
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 22, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now
there were a couple of corpses in there that could be sold to a local medical school… so that’s several thousand dollars there too.
by ducttape16 on Jul 22, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ms. Spears
should make your list twice for her cover of “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction” — truly horrible….
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 22, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
One of the great rock ‘n’ roll songs ever, just shat on by Britney
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 22, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
Wellemeyer to Oakland
"i'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse."- Marlon Brando
by Matt on Sports on Jul 22, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Without anything in return its still a great deal
by Ray Lankford on Jul 22, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
A hall-of-fame deal if it's within the division
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 22, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Box of balls
new or used… we’re not picky
by ducttape16 on Jul 22, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is a very good trade.
i like it. we probably gain some wins just by not having him on our team anymore. wellemeyer to oakland, for nothing. get on this, FO!
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 22, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks like Brewers and Cubs are going to win
hope Carp is on his game tonight, because we need a win.
by dcfcblues on Jul 22, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs will take over 1st place
In the loss column if Carp doesn’t pitch his ass off.
by olddomination on Jul 22, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought wins was what mattered
/end sarcasm
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 22, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second
it is 7-7 in the 6th in Pittsburgh.
And the Phillies have 2 on with no outs in the 6th in a 5-1 game.
A base hit here and the game is 5-3 with Kevin Gregg still availible.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5-3 now
runner at 1st and 1 out.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Zambrano up to 93 pitches after 5.1
by ubeddie on Jul 22, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what happened?
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swing and a miss bounced in the dirt
the catcher caught the rebound, showed the ump and batter was called out. Manuel argued and got tossed. The ball even kicked up some dirt on the bounce.
by ubeddie on Jul 22, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so then why did manuel argue?
was it on strike three?
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
batter should have had another chance. Instead Big Z got a K
by ubeddie on Jul 22, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah
i got it now
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I stupid for not really being as scared of the Cubs as everyone else?
they got a break playing the nationals the first series after the break… i still don’t think that they are a better team than we are
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ramirez is back
Lee is starting to hit and hit well.
The Wells kid is pitching great.
by sdrone on Jul 22, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but we are not bad
I don’t know… i still am optimistic that we can pull it out
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but every time I think that I end up
uh, sorry. I love my kids. Really.
by sdrone on Jul 22, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The realization that we have...
no good options for a fifth starter has to fire up the Halladay talks. Wallace, Jones, Kozma, and Riefer is the price, and I think we should just pay it.
by guayzimi on Jul 22, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Question:
How does “no good options for a fifth starter” equal “trade for Halladay?” Why not trade for Carl Pavano and then a Willingham/Ross type for LF?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 22, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yay! that would make my day!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be pretty sweet as long as we didn't give up too much.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Replay of last night's game on FSNMW
if anyone is interested…
sarcasm.
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." ~Al Gallagher, 1971
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 22, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i would do wallace for bucholz yesterday
like seriously…getting bucholz would make it less likely that we would re-sign pinero, who i think is having a career season and won;t ever be this good again
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 22, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
can we option Stavinoha to Memphis too?
please?
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
jess todd plz.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
joe thur,,,,,,screw it
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, let's be realistic
We all know Thurston ain’t going anywhere.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just to be clear for everyone, i've turned this into a joke
i’m no longer beating that dead horse
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it helps when Mark f'in Derosa supplants him and hits 2 home runs the night before
don’t it?
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, but even i was getting on my nerves
i shouldn’t have gotten that bad, i know better
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in fairness, the dude stinks.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aubrey Huff.....SIAP
He should be on the list too. He can play all the corners, a dream come true for Tony if he had two above average bats that profile all over the field. He also probably won’t cost a whole ton.
And I know I saw he was available somewhere, so this isn’t just some rumor yanked out of my hindquarters.
by slu on Jul 22, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'd be ok with him in left
wish he was righty though
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 22, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No tracks from "No More Mr. Nice Guy"
The Pat Boone metal cover album?
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Jul 22, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
gameday is really screwed up right now… at least for me
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tweeted by SI's Jon Heyman:
“[The Cards] have looked at lugo. chris duncan for lugo was discussed. but laroche trade may end that.”
by santiagofish on Jul 22, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For all we know,
We might be his source
by mysterui on Jul 22, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would not shock me
he screwed the pooch with the mets-halladay thing
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 22, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF Pirates...
Bases loaded, tied 7-7, 1 out in the 7th, and they let pitcher Hanrahan hit for himself?
Then he grounds weakly into DP. Thats stupid managing…
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 22, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the Pirates are anti-baseball
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah they pinch hit with Salazar
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 22, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, damn you gameday
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 22, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who manages the pirates?
What a stupid fucking decision.
by dcfcblues on Jul 22, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so i guess that whoever took over for charlie manuel is stupid too
cause why is chad durbin still pitching?
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA says bucholz is untouchable
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 22, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh and john heyman says Brewers are serious players for halladay
should we pre-empt that move with one of our own…i think if the brew crew got halladay, they’d win the division
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 22, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
though i dont know how much i trust heyman
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 22, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't trust Heyman,
or a policy of preemption. But, back to Heyman. He’s sort of like Ankiel with his rumor reporting. He swings for the fences every time, misses a lot, but it goes a long way when he connects. I’ll just choose to disregard his rumormongering and patiently not check a single internet site until the deadline is over and done with—then, I’ll come to VEB and see what we did.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 22, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who is he anyway?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SI's resident rumormonger.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 22, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, i was thinking he ran MLB trade rumors
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's tim dierkes.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 22, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
brewers do not have the budget for halladay. i call bs.
suppan and looper are going to be paid more for their “services” next year. cameron and hoffman are free agents — but they’ll also open serious holes in the roster.
their payroll didn’t decline at all this past year. think they can absorb another $14m next year?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And isn't Fielder a FA after next year?
I don’t get what the Brewers are trying to do. They already gave up a ton for CC last year, and now they’re looking at doing it again for Halladay. Call me crazy, but the Brewers are further away from winning the World Series than just Roy Halladay. I feel like they would need a 2006-type playoff run even if they get in to the postseason. And as you pointed out, he also puts a strain on your budget, so I’m not sure how you really improve this offseason in order to make a serious run next year. I don’t get it…
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 22, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they owe fielder $10.5m next year, in 2011 he's a FA.
suppan gets $12.5m (snort), looper gets $6. Bill Hall gets $8.4m. Dave Riske gets $4m. Frank Cattalanotto gets $5m or a $2m buyout. Braun gets $3.5m.
cameron, kendall, counsell, and hoffman are FA. Hardy and Bush will be in the last years of arb.
they are paying a lot of money for a club of their size to some not very good players. a lot of their cheap resources are close to leaving. that braun contract is a beautiful thing, though.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
srsly. did that guy rep pedroia and longoria too?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least Braun...
has his graphic tee business. That should bridge the gap…
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 22, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can only assume those come with a waiver that states one must wear them untucked at all times.
by ducttape16 on Jul 22, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a surgeon general's warning...
for douchebaggery.
by mopack on Jul 22, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's not forget his valuable feminine hygiene line.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
At least Braun got his stupid money guaranteed
Longoria’s contract is an utter joke.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 22, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering he'd be replacing Looper and his 6.28 tRA
Your probably right.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Chad Durbin...
is being pelted with batteries.
by dcfcblues on Jul 22, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Moyer was garbage today
the Phillies have to be thinking about Halladay that much more.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the Phillies will be the ones who land him
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok so this is off topic
but… what would you do if you sat next to a guy at work who chomped his gum with his mouth open?
1)Would you ignore it?
2)Politely ask him to be an adult and chew with his mouth closed?
3) Bring in some gum of your own and chew louder than him?
These are the three options that I have but I am open to other suggestions
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Simply ask him if his heritage is of Bovine nature...
if he doesnt know what that means, hes an idiot…
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 22, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In honor of The MooCow who apparently isn't around, I am offended by that.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 22, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he also doesn't ever put his phone on vibrate....
I asked him one time (after his phone ringer went off for the 3rd time at full volume that day) if his phone had a vibrate function and he said yes… but did nothing
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always been a fan of fighting fire with napalm
so do 3 as hard as you possibly can.
by ducttape16 on Jul 22, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking of picking up some big league chew for the occasion
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thinking slurping my soda would be good too?
I haven’t lifted my leg and let one fly yet, but that is an emergency option too
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
be careful
he might think you want to start a contest
by ubeddie on Jul 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not doing it purposely to annoy me
He just has no manners
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could pick up chewing tobacco.
Play music from your desk at an uncomfortably loud volume.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jul 22, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Groundball Grape!!!
Greatest flavor known to mankind. I pick up 2 pouches of GG before each of my baseball games
by mopack on Jul 22, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec
I love grape.
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loud voice
“DUDE CUT THE CRAP.”
Or make a phone call and start with “what? I can’t year you over this crap in the next cube.”
by sdrone on Jul 22, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a tough sell...
he isnt chewing loud enough that it drowns out the phone… im hoping to be loud enough to get other people involved… then whey they ask why im chewing so loud I can say “well he does it and nobody said anything so I thought that it would be ok”
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing to sell
If it’s annoying you, it’s sold.
Wait, I forgot #3.
3. Work remotely from bar with wireless internet.
by sdrone on Jul 22, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they pretty much have to give up Happ to do it
If I was Toronto, I wouldn’t do it until someone gave me a top line pitching prospect in return. Is Happ + prospects too much for Philly to give up? Possibly.
by olddomination on Jul 22, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I live in Milwaukee...
but the game was an mlb.tv exclusive, and it still gave me the stupid blackout restrictions page. How am I supposed to adequately root against those assholes if i can’t watch the game?
by mopack on Jul 22, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you look at my fanposts
I provide instructions how to get the MLB.tv blackout
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 22, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Moss walkoff HR
Pirates beat Brewers.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tying run at plate in Phillies game
Feliz vs Marmol, 2 outs.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Have I ever mentioned that I love watching Marmol?
1. HIs arm looks like he’s gonna snap it off.
2. Man he can be fun to watch. K K WALK WALK WALK WALK.
by sdrone on Jul 22, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused. Did he mean Guzman?
Guzman isn’t nearly as exciting for me to watch.
by sdrone on Jul 22, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what inning?
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top of the 8th now
1 out, 1 on for Cubs.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
score?
(gameday is not working for me)
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still 8-5
Top 8, 2 outs. Runners at 1st and 2nd.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im thinking that somehow the phils pull this one out
(wishing on a star i know)
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers just don't scare me
As much as the Cubs or Astros
by olddomination on Jul 22, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Astros don't scare me at all
even if they sweep us.
They are a BAD team.
by dcfcblues on Jul 22, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Gammons
Since May that Holliday has a higher OPS than Jason Bay…surprising!
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 22, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bay is really slumping
He’s in like a 2-36 stretch…
by olddomination on Jul 22, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lineup via FSMW tweet:
Schumaker 2B
Rasmus CF
Pujols 1B
Ludwick RF
Ankiel LF
DeRosa 3B
Molina C
Ryan SS
Carpenter P
Pitcher batting 9th!
....my quick smells like french toast...
by mstreeter06 on Jul 22, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That is the best lineup we have had all year
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 22, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty good
i think we get this one…. Carp eats the astros for lunch (at least I hope)
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well... tony is a genius
don’t forget that :)
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for some reason I think Ank will do better now
but probably not, probably just wishful thinking
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me likey
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boner
Someone had to say it…
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm shocked...
we didn’t get a grudge lineup from Tony. Something along the lines of…
LaRue C
Carpenter P
Ankiel CF
(Empty) LF – In honor of the fallen…
Barden 1B
Thurston 3B
Ryan SS
Stavinoha RF
Schumaker 2B
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 22, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
niiiiice
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"In honor of the fallen"
Is that interweb lingo for “pouring out a 40 for my homeys”?
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jul 22, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Tony DIDN’T go with the “pissed-off” lineup featuring 8 pitchers at the field positions and Nick Stavinoha pitching
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 22, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again with the
auto-out batting fifth. Sheesh.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 22, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I know a way we could trade Chris Duncan and LaDunc would not get mad
He is a right hand hitting RFer that is currently hitting .272/.368/.558/.926 in AAA with 23 HR’s (Leads AAA in HR’s)
Did I mention his name…. Shelley Duncan
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 22, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In now way
would Tony and Dave be disappointed if Chris was traded. Their praying for it.
by OperaCard on Jul 22, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna say, doesnt it get old babysitting your middle aged son after awhile?
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 22, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially if he's a large bird
And doesn’t like to stay in his cage
by olddomination on Jul 22, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
G-U-N-P-O-W-D-E-R
Tobacco!
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on Jul 22, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure it would be some sort of relief to get out of that situation
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like it if they turned Duncan into relief
pitching
by olddomination on Jul 22, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave is a magician
but that is some serious work.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could easily
15 day him with rehab to get him out of the firing line. Mo won’t allow it till after the deadline on the off chance he could be part of a move.
by OperaCard on Jul 22, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That error by Aramis was bizarre
he just dropped the grounder and then kicked it.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Runner at 2nd for Phillies
2 outs, top of the order.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he hasn't been doing that well since coming back as far as I can tell
they probably rushed him back, glad that the cards aren’t the only ones who do that
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tying run at the plate
Kevin Gregg coming in to face Utley.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I AM WATCHING
I AM WILLNG CHASE UTLEY TO HIT A BOMB
I AM EVEN DOING ALL OF THIS IS CAPS
by mojowo11 on Jul 22, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take a 2 run double
and let them win it walkoff style in the 9th.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll settle for Utley hitting this one into Plaschke's apartment knocking him on the head
And in a bizarre medical miracle, he learns how to write in full paragraphs and not be a blowhard.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 22, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Impossible
Plaschke’s writing will always be terrible, and no serious brain injury can change that!
by mojowo11 on Jul 22, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully they can plate at least one this inning
And work on Gregg some more in the 9th.
by olddomination on Jul 22, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok this is sad...
but i actually will not type cubs.com into my browser here at work… i go the the cardinals website and click on the link to the cubs site from the standings… is that really a sign that I am pathetic and need helpe?
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you just need help with helpe
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you need to go to cubs.com?
by olddomination on Jul 22, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to get to the gameday link
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just go to mlb.com and use the left-hand sidebar.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ouch
my bad
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone here that Tony made comments stating this morning
that Chris Duncan would be in the lineup tonight? Someone in Joe Strauss’ chat mentioned it.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He will be in the lineup....
in MEMPHIS.
ZING
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right from the PD
As part of a biting defense of the left fielder and the criticisms he receives, manager Tony La Russa had said Tuesday it was likely that Duncan would start tonight’s game against the Astros.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
0-7 with 5 K vs. Gregg...
Ugh…
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 22, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howard has 5 strikeouts in 7 ABs
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
due factor?
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is the grand slam master though.
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, tomorrow will be against us
by olddomination on Jul 22, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
it will be versus the Padres
They don’t come to town til Friday
by dcfcblues on Jul 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
other way around
got tickets for fridays game in philly only series all season
by dugmartsch on Jul 22, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just realized the game was on WGN, and I turned it over, I see Gregg walking off the field...
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 22, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does this make sense?
I watch quite a few cub games a year and I’ve noticed something… Last year the Cubs beat teams when they won more often than not. It seems that this year they don’t beat the other team, they win when the other team loses (or beats themself) … does that make sense? I’m not trying to channel joe morgan here so don’t go too hard on me
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Last year the Cubs did well against everyone
This year they often play to the level of competition.
But Soriano is a wildcard. He just makes random errors on the most routine plays, usually with multiple runners on.
by sdrone on Jul 22, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They aren't as good this year...
So where they may have blown away a team either way last year, they need help more often this year.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 22, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which doesn't make sense to me
the talent is there and they underperform…. that’s why i think that maybe we have a stronger mental makeup than they do
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jul 22, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just can't wait to see DeRosa hit a home run at Wrigley
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hate to break this to you
but no more Cards at Wrigley this year
by ubeddie on Jul 22, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that sucks
I hate the unbalanced schedule with a passion
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The unbalanced schedule + wild card = stupid
One or the other would be fine. The two together just create a strength of schedule problem that makes the wild card standings meaningless.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Jul 22, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In October maybe?
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 22, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please, no
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Jul 22, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
after we resign him for next year
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
9-5 Cubs as Lidge coming unglued in the 9th
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 22, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's lame
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone probably already mentioned this
but those Tom Waits covers by Scarlet Johansen were pretty bad
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
she sings?
she can’t even act, who the hell told her she could sing?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure
she’s never heard the word “no” in her entire life…
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
by stlhulsey on Jul 22, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, don't stop
Thats all I would say…
-shrugs-
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 22, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Video of LeBron getting dunked on
http://ebaumnation.com/2009/07/22/jordan-crawford-dunks-on-lebron-james
This is just an awful PR move by him to try and cover this up. That dunk is nothing particularly embarassing. He got there late, and the other guy dunked on him
by mysterui on Jul 22, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OT but exciting news
Just booked a flight to St. Louis for the September 12 game against Atlanta. It’s my first trip to St. Louis and (of course) Busch! Can’t wait!!!
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 22, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How'd you become a Cardinal fan?
Just wondering…
by guayzimi on Jul 22, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
flipped a coin?
rolled some dice?
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lost a bet?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of the above
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 22, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half of my extended family is from Memphis
It’s a big Cardinals town. Though I grew up in Braves country right when they started dominating, and my Dad is kind of a Braves fan (doesn’t really follow MLB), I tired pretty quickly of rooting for the Braves. My Mom and Uncle were pretty instrumental in turning me onto the Cards. The first year I really followed St. Louis was ‘96. Every year since then my love of the team has grown more and more. I can’t see myself rooting for any other team.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 22, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: The Erin Andrews Debacle
Was that video taken in St. Louis? Thats bad PR. Kinda like saying:
’Don’t come to our town hot chicks, we’ll film you naked through a peephole.’ – St. Louis
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 22, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW, thats pure speculation.
I hope it wasnt in St. Louis.
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 22, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
considering they have been up on daily motion since Feb, i highy doubt it
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've found my new signature@!!!!
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To some people
That sounds like good PR
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 22, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if it was in St. Louis
it could have happened practically anywhere.
What “hole” was the guy filming through, anyway?
by saladdays on Jul 22, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Probably drilled a hole in the wall or something like that from what I've read
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 22, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to a Deadspin post:
So Chavez combined some digging, direct messaging, and dart throwing to narrow the culprits down to someone who lives within driving distance of an SEC football stadium. That should help the dragnet.
It wasn’t me.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 22, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok phew...I was wondering because the video just became public very quickly.
So I was wondering.
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 22, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has apparently been online for months...
It somehow went undiscovered.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 22, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
look up, i already said that
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said wondering twice, I do this often. My bad.
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 22, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duncan has been traded
for Lugo. Official.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
wow
wow
wow
woohoo… now wtf wants ankiel???
can we get a bag of balls and some bats for ricky?
by BirdsonFire on Jul 22, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that is anticlimatic
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're not just pulling our collective leg now, are you?
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Link?
'Stay Thursty My Friends' - Tony LaRussa
by The_teague on Jul 22, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Post Dispatch
Bernie on Twitter.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are Tony & Dave quitting?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 22, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that would be faaar more interesting
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it looks like mo
called the bluff?
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 22, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was no bluff.
Tony and Dave will be happy. We should all be celebrating because Lugo is worth much more than Duncan in any scenario. Worst case scenario was Duncan coming back in August to haunt us. Thats probably the motivation. Mo is clogging up player development with KG and Glaus as it is. Neither is worth a damn.
If you want Halladay. Give Lohse 5million to go to the Phillies. They give you their 2 top prospects which you send to Toronto plus one of ours. You get Halladay, the Phillies win the world series, and Toronto is rebuilt. Everybody is happy.
by OperaCard on Jul 22, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You seem to have a higher opinion of Lohse than I do.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Jul 22, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was
spanking the world until he fatigued. If he had 5 runs a game before the 6th inning he would be doing fine. Phillies would leap at that deal. The Cards lineup is dead. Every game thrown, like tonights is a threat to a pitchers heart. Thank heavens Roy likes to challenge Pujols. Thats our only hope at scoring runs tonight.
by OperaCard on Jul 22, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fatigued? he twisted his knee and got hit by like 3 different pitches.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Fatigues is throwing 6 scoreless against Atlanta while you puking your guts out, and get nothing. Or having to be too careful pitching to Berkman because you know the 2 you got, are all your probably going to get. Carpenter is showing signs of this fatigue. If he goes down, which has to be in the 40% range of chance as his inning begin to mount, this team is finished.
Rasmus has already cycled back to Mays hitting troubles, Ryan is the man now so he chooses his own roll. Shu isn’t spraying as he should be. We don’t run…………..I could go on all day. These problems aren’t going away. We’re a platoon. F troop.
by OperaCard on Jul 22, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Phillies have seen that movie before
Not sure they’d want to see it again
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 22, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do you feel about Lugo?
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 22, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take his OBP
but that’s about it. Hopefully we’re not paying him much.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 22, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefull, we'll slide him over to second
And put Skip in left. They are probably both at least league average in those positions. It would be a pretty big upgrade.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else see anything about this officially?
Man, I might have to break my Tweetering boycott.
by goodymobb on Jul 22, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes more sense
if true HC. That will make Tony and Dave very happy. Mo probably picks up little or no salary.
Lugo to 2nd or Ryan to 2nd. Shu to left.
by OperaCard on Jul 22, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Ryan going to Toronto?
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jul 22, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how I'll feel
if next year, after his neck heals up and he hits the weights in the off season, he drops 30 bombs or so for Boston?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
isn’t that what we thought he would do this year?
by saladdays on Jul 22, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't sure
he just had the surgery last year. I imagine something like that taking awhile to heal completely.
maybe we can hope for a Felipe Lopez resurgence from Lugo
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, how does this play out?
Do we pay a prorated share of his salary or have the Red Sox already eaten it?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 22, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we pay league min.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 22, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
linky
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 22, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
props to HL who was the first to scoop this that i saw and i believe was taking grief for it
over at the p-d boards earlier today. poor lugo, starting his cardinal career in the doghouse already for being the guy they traded duncan for. i kid…i think
by kalmavet on Jul 22, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A "Let's rock" shoutout.
I am pleased.
by arch support on Jul 22, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it
He he was DR last time I checked
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 22, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, is the conventional wisdom that he's a backup SS/platoon partner for skippy?
that would make some sense.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 22, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tony will make him the 3rd catcher...
out of spite.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 22, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
him, Skip, and DeRosa
will switch back and forth from 3B, LF, 2B every three innings
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would want to see him start at second
And move Skip to left. Skippy’s good for a ~.340 wOBA and +5 defense in left, that makes for a league average player. Lugo is projected to have a .327 wOBA, and <a href=“http:// ”http://www.baseballprojection.com/lugo-ju0945.htm" target="_blank">http://www.baseballprojection.com/lugo-ju0945.htm" >CHONE’s defensive projections have him at +4 at second base. That’s a 2.5 WAR player.
Considering LF has been replacement level so far, ditto with second and third, simply putting league average players at those positions would be huge for us.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think TLR would put Skip in LF?
it was his project and I don’t know if he’s about to abandon it. especially with how not bad he’s been there.
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLBTR giving VEB credit
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
heh
points up 7 posts
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 22, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
all yours said was linky. how was I to know?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 22, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLBTR commenters are awesome...
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 22, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
today has been an utterly
f’ed up day in terms of confusingness about the cardinals. i hope more and more of this story comes out so we can know how exactly this went down.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 22, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chris Duncan Traded
Ankiel hits the batting cages
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 22, 2009 6:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
correction
becomes designated pitcher for batting practice
by BirdsonFire on Jul 22, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rick actually has one of those PackRat
mobile storage units following him around on the road now.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 22, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barden gets picked up in Memphis by a car
He is getting drove on 55 North falls asleep and wakes up and he is going South on 55
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 22, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think we have all missed the really bad news of the day
Welley seems to still be on the ML roster
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jul 22, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
all in due time. mo was workin on this deal. he has 3-4 days to figure out the welle mess
please call up boggs
by kalmavet on Jul 22, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is me trying to be optimistic
i’m convinced it will take the Phillies abusing him to get him off the roster
by kalmavet on Jul 22, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there was ever a lineup to do it, it's the Phillies...
Lefties DESTROY Wellemeyer, and the first 5 for the Philis…
Rollins S
Victorino S
Utley L
Howard L
Ibanez L
He’s going to be utterly annihilated…
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 22, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They put 20 on us in a Welley start last year
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 22, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In regards to Lugo in Boston...
You have to imagine the distaste for Lugo from Red Sox Nation stems from the fact that he is getting paid 9 Mil per year rather than not being worthy of being on a MLB roster.
Paying Lugo the league minimum over the next two seasons to be your backup middle infielder should be welcomed.
I have serious doubts that Chris may ever see the Majors again. We all know his bat and his father were his ticket to the show, and now he has neither.
by El Hombre on Jul 22, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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