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The Glaus Experiment

Sorry for the late post. With family in town, access to the home’s 1 computer has been…dicey, we’ll call it. Anyway, I was tinkering around on the internet and a couple of things caught my eye. First is this post over at fangraphs. You may be aware that the site is counting down the trade value of players from #50 to #1 – the player w/ the greatest trade value. I think numbers 5-1 will be posted today and my suspicion is that ol’ #5 will be on that list somewhere. I was pleased to see that our very own Colby Rasmus was listed at #18 on the list which means, in fangraphs’ eyes, only 17 players in the majors have more trade value than Rasmus. He sits right between All-Stars Adam Jones of Baltimore and Felix Hernandez of Seattle. If you were thinking that maybe we should consider giving Rasmus up in a trade for Halladay, consider the fact that fangraphs had Halladay pegged at number 37 on their list. Part of that’s age, a $15 M contract, and the fact that it’s up at the end of next year. If the Jays want Rasmus in a deal for Halladay, they better throw in someone like Aaron Hill as well (and I still wouldn’t do it.)

 

But to me the more intriguing column came from this morning’s p-d. The surprising (to me, at least) activation of Mark DeRosa from the DL draws our attention to the fact that Troy Glaus, who has now less than 2 weeks left on his minor league rehab stint, still cannot throw across the diamond from 3rd to 1st. Over at fangraphs, our own erik (can we still call you "our own?") explored the notion of swapping Pujols and Glaus – putting Glaus at first and Pujols over at third. It’s certainly a potential option and Erik’s take on it is that, essentially, it would be better than trying to trade Glaus to an AL team needing a DH. Pujols wouldn’t be a standout at third but for a couple of months, it would help the team get Glaus’s bat in the lineup. The improvement of Glaus over Thurston at the dish would have to be much greater than the defensive hit the team would take by putting Albert at third and Glaus at first. Considering the fact that Thurston grades out as a below average third baseman it’s not even clear that the team would take a big step backwards at the hot corner. Pujols, OTOH, is one of the game’s best defensive first baseman but the step backward from him to Glaus couldn’t be that large. That said, it’s doubtful that Tony would even consider moving Pujols. It would allow DeRosa (if he’s healthy!) to move to LF, thus improving our offense by changing out Thurston for Glaus and Dunckiel for DeRosa.

The news from this morning’s p-d, however, indicates that the team is considering trying Glaus in left field which, in my mind, is an idea completely out of left field. Glaus has played exactly 0 major league innings in the outfield, though he has played 70 at shortstop and his minor league experience in LF consists of just 1 game – last night’s game for Palm Beach. The team is considering this experiment in the same vein as the way Pujols was used in 2003, when he couldn’t throw well at all. If you remember, Pujols was sent to shag flies in LF and, whenever a throw had to be made, he deferred to Edmonds or shot-putted it to Renteria who then threw the ball in. Maybe the Glaus experiment would work similarly.

In 2003, Pujols’s UZR in LF was minus 4 runs and minus 5.6 runs per 150 games. It was his worst defense at any position at any point in his major league career. That said, minus 4 runs isn’t awful, particularly in LF, especially when you consider the value of Pujols’s bat (Pujols was 76.8 wRAA at the plate in 2003 – highest in his career). Pujols, however, had some experience both in LF and in RF. He’s also a smaller guy than Glaus, who’s 6’5" and 240 pounds. That said, Glaus would essentially be replacing 2 injured and unproductive hitters – Rick Ankiel and Chris Duncan – so the threshold he’d have to meet in order to be an improvement over what we’re currently using out there isn’t very high.

In 2008, the worst defensive LF was Adam Dunn, whose UZR/150 was minus 20. Fortunately for the Reds and D-backs, Dunn only played 119 games in LF or he would have cost his teams 2 wins with his defense in ’08. Let’s say that Glaus as bad in LF as Dunn was last year. It’s reasonable to believe that he won’t be any worse than that, right? Ankiel right now is grading out as an above average LF and Duncan, as we are all too aware, is Dunn-like in LF (ok, he’s probably not THAT bad) so let’s assume that Glaus is replacing league average LF production. Given that he’d play LF for about a third of the season, we could say that he would likely cost the team about 6 runs defensively, compared to Chrick Dunckiel. So, as long as Glaus’s offensive production would be more than 6 runs greater than Dunckiel’s, it’s liable to be a reasonable conversion.

With Glaus’s injury, however, we have no idea how productive he’d be at the plate. He hasn’t exactly been tremendous at the plate for Palm Beach in the first 6 games of his rehab but it is just 6 games and he is coming off injury and…It’s not likely that he’d be as productive as he was last season for the team. For his career, he’s averaged about 19 wRAA per season at the plate. Having him for a third of a season would put him at, you guessed it, about 6 runs above average for the last 2 months. He gives up 6 runs in the field and gains 6 at the plate – if Dunckiel is a league average performer. He hasn’t been, of course. So far this season, Duncan’s been about 4 runs below average and Ankiel’s been nearly 12 runs below average in their 546 combined PAs this season. So they’ve been minus 16 runs in roughly a full season’s worth of PAs this year. If they continue at this pace, they would be worth roughly 5 runs below average through the end of the season. All told, Dunckiel expects to be roughly league average in the field and minus 5 runs at the plate whereas our best guess has Glaus coming in at minus 6 runs in the field.

The answer, therefore, to the question – "How much does Glaus have to contribute at the plate in order to justify playing LF every day?" – is about 1 run above average. Essentially, if we believe that Glaus can be at least a league average hitter, this experiment is worth trying. We may end up having the worst defensive 2B and LF in baseball but it’s still an idea worth exploring. That’s how bad we’ve been in LF this season.

What about leaving Thurston at third and putting DeRosa in left? Thurston’s been worth minus 7 runs at the plate and minus 1.2 in the field. Playing him every day at third, considering the pace he’s on, would probably cost the team about 7 or 8 runs over the last couple of months – and that doesn’t even consider the base running gaffes. He’s probably a worse option than Dunckiel. He’s just not an every day player. If Glaus can swing the bat and be pretty good – not as good as last year, but pretty good – moving him to LF, or at least finding out if he can do it, is probably the best option available to us right now. God knows it’s better than going w/ Stavinoha 5 times a week.

Perhaps Rasmus’s speed and range can help Glaus out some. I think that Ryan (UZR/150 of 15 this season and 14.5 for his career in 116 games) is a better defensive player than Renteria (UZR/150 of 8.6 in 2003) was so maybe his range could help even more than Renteria’s did in 2003. While the Glaus experiment sounds fairly crazy on its face, it’s a better option than leaving Glaus on the bench to pinch hit and I personally like it more than moving Pujols across the diamond. I’d prefer to leave Pujols where he is. It may be worth an extra run or 2 defensively but I don’t want to risk exposing Pujols to injury any more than we have to and if we can avoid having him throw the ball across the diamond 5 times again, I think it’s worth the 2 runs.

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It still doesn’t work for me.

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by MattK on Jul 19, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

it doesn’t work for me either

by madeintaiwan on Jul 19, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What browser are you using?

I’m using Firefox and the link comes right back to this page.

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by Tackle Box on Jul 19, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you should use google chrome instead of ie

it’s so much quicker than ie

....my quick smells like french toast...

by mstreeter06 on Jul 19, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im so used to FF

but I will check it out and see whats up.

Apparently google is taking over everything….

by madeintaiwan on Jul 19, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha ya

i still use FF alot but i’ve been using Chrome alot more lately. i can’t remember the last time i’ve used ie tho lol.

....my quick smells like french toast...

by mstreeter06 on Jul 19, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I use IE

only to watch mlb.tv (FF for everything else). Not sure what the deal is but on my computer (which is old and slow at times) mlb.tv just works better in IE. But I still can’t use the HD options on this computer but I don’t mind too much. I still get to watch the games.

I’ve never tried chrome. Does it use less resources than FF? My lame ass old computer sometimes gets a little bogged down with FF. Which is sad….

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by Tackle Box on Jul 19, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The HD resolutions...

set the feed back more than a minute compared to real time. I don’t like that at all. The standard definitions are good enough for me, too.

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by LukeMP1186 on Jul 19, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

It sets me back more than a minute since I usually have to restart my dumb computer……

But, I try not to complain too much since i’m still getting the game and standard is still a pretty good feed.

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by Tackle Box on Jul 19, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not sure about the resources but...

it definitely runs really fast. much faster than ff

....my quick smells like french toast...

by mstreeter06 on Jul 19, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fangraphs trade value posts

can be found on this page.

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by spants on Jul 19, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

Much better.

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by MattK on Jul 19, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully if Glaus is called up...

it will signal the end of the 8 man bullpen.

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by MattK on Jul 19, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pujols' Elbow

Putting Pujols at 3B puts his elbow at significantly greater risk.

IMO, it’s a non-starter for that reason.

by thepainguy on Jul 19, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+100

why take a guy who’s the consensus league MVP and risk his health in that manner? I’d take a chance on the “Glaus-in-LF” experiment, at least for a couple of weeks.

by tbell61 on Jul 19, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

There’s pretty much no chance that would happen in my opinion. Nor should it…

V, b.

by LukeMP1186 on Jul 19, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, he's had leg and foot issues in the past

Didn’t he have plantar fasciitis?

Either way, I’m in favor of leaving him at first.

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by Tackle Box on Jul 19, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as long as we're mixing and matching

apu in left and tg to 1st?

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by sportsman on Jul 19, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, let's see...

One or two really aggressive max effort throws every few games at first…

OR

Several throws of varying efforts a game…

Yeah there’s no real debate there. If Albert’s elbow blows, this team is toast. Leave the guy at third and use the Glaus shot-put plan in left if you have to.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 19, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn!

Use the preview…

This should have read “Leave the guy at FIRST.”

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 19, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lineup

Skip 2B
Raz CF
AP 1B
Luddy RF
Duncan LF
Molina C
DeRosa 3B
JP P
Ryan SS

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by SoonerfanTU on Jul 19, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DeRosa in the 7-hole is interesting...

But it’s pretty solid outside of the revolving door of suck in left field…

V, b.

by LukeMP1186 on Jul 19, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Holliday.

jk.

sortof…..

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by Tackle Box on Jul 19, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why

continue to bat dunkiel fifth?

retarded

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jul 19, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glaus is an interesting idea in left

You wonder if TLR has developed trust in Ryan’s arm at short and he’d just tell him to set up for cutoff deeper in left.

by sdrone on Jul 19, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ryan's range

also would give Glaus less ground to cover in LF… Boog goes back on fly balls extremely well. His “slinging” the ball is (usually) only used on throws to 1B. When he needs to make a throw “over the top”, he does.

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by The Ol Goaler on Jul 19, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since Stavinoha played LF yesterday...

I’m thinking that TLR is looking for any answer in left field… with C-Dunc and Ank both looking totally “lost” at the plate, Glaus could (maybe, ahhope-ahhope-ahhope) provide the Cards with a couple of additional wins.

Glaus has to prove he can hit with at least some of his pre-injury “pop”… we’ll see. If he rakes at Memphis, then the experiment may be worth trying.

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by The Ol Goaler on Jul 19, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Problem is, he's not playing at Memphis.

He’s at Palm Beach where he should rake.

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by Tackle Box on Jul 19, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First live pitching in awhile.

But yeah, it is concerning.

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by spants on Jul 19, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he should rake at Palm Beach ...

… but the last I checked, he wasn’t raking. Current stats?

by StanTheManFan on Jul 19, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

.200, .231, .240, .471 (6 games)

6 k’s, 26 PA, 1 BB, 1 2B, 4 rbi.

What I can’t find on B-R is how many times he’s thrown his helmet.

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by Tackle Box on Jul 19, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

One time for each K...

The real mystery is how many times has he slammed down his bat in disgust? For that, we need to find out how many routine pop-ups he’s hit…

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by LukeMP1186 on Jul 19, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've heard he's not getting the same rebound off the ground with the bat like he did last year.

Obviously the shoulder is still an issue….

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by Tackle Box on Jul 19, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmmm

from what i understand if hallady is traded it could start a firesale in toronto they have several players that could help us out rios would fill the hole in left. Is rolen an option? marco scutaro looks to be available and maybe even aaron hill pick up either of those guys and we can move skip back to lf which would give us a pretty solid lineup and help us with d in lf and 2b. skip lf
scutaro/hillcf
ap 1b
ludwick rf
rasmus cf (to break up a run of righties and to be a run producer)
derosa 3b
mollina
ryan ss

pretty solid all around. sorry if it looks weird it’s my firt post from my phone

by callmesir on Jul 19, 2009 12:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

"Is Rolen an option?"

No.

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by Tackle Box on Jul 19, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given Rolen's past

Relationship with TLR, trading for him would be a big mistake, IMO.

by sbentley on Jul 19, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he'd never approve the trade

so it’s kind of a moot point.

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by Tackle Box on Jul 19, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

didn't realize...

…Rolen ranked a no trade clause. At some point in the past he probably did. No trade clauses are a pain in the butt.

by sbentley on Jul 19, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

he had to waive the clause to complete the Rolen/Glaus deal which I’m sure he didn’t have to think twice about.

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by Tackle Box on Jul 19, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rios has a ridiculous contract...
Rios gets $5.9 million in 2009, $9.7 million in 2010, $12 million each in 2011 and 2012 and $12.5 million apiece in 2013 and 2014.

No thanks.

Rios

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by LukeMP1186 on Jul 19, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reply fail...

It really pisses me off when I do that…

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by LukeMP1186 on Jul 19, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rios would look awfully good in LF

He’d probably be around +10 defensively there, be a 3-4 WAR player overall, and is right-handed, so he’d help against LHP. And he’s a good candidate for an edmonds-like breakout in his age 29 season, imho. The price tag is high, but it’s not something that would be crippling, and it’s what he’s worth, more or less.

if taking on Rios’ salary is enough to get halladay without giving up the Walrus or Rasmus, I think Mo has to find a way to get it done.

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by SleepyCA on Jul 19, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We can probably take on one contract....

but unless we’re trading a contract back to Toronto, I really don’t think we can take on two. But if Mo can convince DeWitt to up the payroll to go after a championship for the next couple years, Rios/Halladay for lower level prospects would be amazing.

Doubt it’s realistic on either end though.

by mtalken on Jul 19, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's playing like me right now.

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by Tackle Box on Jul 19, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah.

he saw a lot of that last hole.

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by Tackle Box on Jul 19, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

getting ready to go one down

on the first playoff hole.

Too much club on the 2nd shot on 18 cost him.

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by gocards62 on Jul 19, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't there a minor leaguer that can play some left?

What happened to our glut?

I’m starting to really hate dealing Barton (a trade I didn’t like in the first place).

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by Gregatron on Jul 19, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Our glut?

is either hurt or is playing in Gwinett.

Although, I’m being a little facetious, I wouldn’t mind calling up John Jay or Allen Craig.

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by Tackle Box on Jul 19, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd think late 2010 at the earliest?

no later than 2011 for sure, i’d think.

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by Tackle Box on Jul 19, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about trying out Glaus at 2nd?

Derosa at 3rd, and Skippy back in the outfield? I realize that the double play throws might be extremely difficult, especially when fed from the SS in a more parallel line with the 1st to 2nd basepath, coming across the shoulder and all, but 90 feet is not that far. Also, the number of routine grounders which require a simple toss to first would be the highest percentage of his defensive plays, which should reduce the wear on his shoulder, and has to be easier to make than a toss from the outfield…

The biggest issue would probably be that he is so large, and therefore his range, quickness, and athleticism might not be conducive to the position at all…

Maybe the best solution is what you had last night, Stavinoha or someone similar in Left, Derosa at 3rd, and leave Glaus alone. Maybe a bench bat, if he can actually hit, wouldn’t be such a bad idea, considering how unproductive Duncan and Ankiel were last night.

I know Stav is not a long term solution in Left, but I don’t feel the utter despair with him that I feel with the other two.

by fuegophil on Jul 19, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Glaus

Actually hasn’t been terrible at third. His +/- from 2006-8 ranks him 8th in the league over those years. UZR and UZR/150 were 0.7/0.9 in ‘07 and 4.5/5.0 for us last year, which are around/barely above league average. Looking through his past he has had some pretty bad years, but given his more recent trends I wouldn’t say he is a butcher in the field. Obviously he’s another year and an injury away from all that, but eh. Maybe 2nd base wouldn’t be such a terrible idea.

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by lunchboxbomb on Jul 19, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with fuegophil... sorta

he said: “I know Stav is not a long term solution in Left, but I don’t feel the utter despair with him that I feel with the other two.”
Maybe it is because of my teeth gritting over the very SIGHT of Ank or Dunc in LF, but I believe that the ‘problem’ with Stavinoha is not with Stavinoha; it is with Tony. What I mean is the infection man strikes me as one of those players that has to play almost every day (be a regular) to produce.
Like fuego, I don’t see Stav in the future but if he was penciled into the 6-hole every night, I think he might surprise; namely something like a .265 ba with always the ‘threat’ of power each time up. And he bats right-handed.

Sorry I don’t know how to retrieve his pinch-hitting avg vs his performance as a starter, but I’d be surprised if the latter wasn’t better. And again my point is I think it would better still if he played every day.

by the Tewk on Jul 19, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

splits

Stav:

.232 as a starter
.182 as a sub (includes late game substitutions)

Small sample size (104 and 35 pa, respectively).

by k randolph on Jul 19, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

google his name

one of the first links that comes up will be to baseball-reference.com. Click it, then click “splits”, then click 2009 (or career, or whatever you think is most demonstrative of the player’s abilities).

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by SleepyCA on Jul 19, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyway, the thing about stavinoha

he’s the epitome of a hitter who does well in the minors, but won’t do well in the majors. i don’t have numbers on it, but I’d be shocked if high-BA, high-BABIP, low (OBP-BA), low ISO, and bad defense in the minors regularly translates to a successful MLB career.

I’m sure it does happen, but Nick just seems like a mistake hitter who won’t prosper when he faces pitchers who don’t make many mistakes. IMHO he really, really, really needs the benefit of a good hitting instructor to teach him strike zone/pitch recognition/game theory skills. because he is a fairly talented hitter; he’s definitely not a BAD hitter, he just needs to get on base via walks/HBP more etc to offset his lack of power and improved pitching/defense in the majors.

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by SleepyCA on Jul 19, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Cardinals are seriously driving me nuts

why don’t they just do this. have Troy & KBot (if they can be, i’m not planning on getting anything from either one of them the rest of the season) be bench players & put Skippy back in left, then bring back the Hoff & insert him at 2nd. is it really that hard to do? with DeRo & KBot holding down 3rd, a real SS & 2ndbaseman & a 3 real OF’s, we have almost everyone playing their almost natural positions. then & most importantly there would be no more of this Dick, Dunk & thurston dead weight crap holding the team down.

there was also this article in the PD this morning sending out the word that all is well in Cardinal land & everything will be A OK. now i totally understand the FO can’t show their hands to the rest of the league, but to come out & tell the fans everyone is back healthy & ready to take the division crown is down right foolish. DeRo’s not anywhere close to 100%, and never will be. i don’t care how good he looks in BP, dude looked beyond awful last night at the plate. Glaus & KBot are a total crap shoot right now. Dick & Dunk are,,,,well,, Dick & Dunk. Welley is a mess. is Lohse really back? last i checked Carp still going one pitch at a time right? can they really count on Luddy being completely out of his slump & back to his 08 form? our bench is still the worst in either league & i’m in no way comfortable with how the bullpen has preformed. especially when they walk in a run when a freaking pitcher is standing in the box. my point is, this team needs a lot more than the “fringe” parts the article claims they need. it’s really aggravating that the team thinks they can still just say whatever the hell they want to say & the fans will buy it. again, i get they can’t come out & say all this. but please stop trying to blow sunshine up my butt. that’s all i ask.

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by gdm426 on Jul 19, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Hey, you...

…quit this logic shit. Don’t you know you can’t play guys at their normal positions? Don’t you know baseball? Have you no decency?

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 19, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel your pain, gdm

I’d offer you a xanax if I had one to spare

by the Tewk on Jul 19, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

f'in gdm

It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan

by gdm426 on Jul 20, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

flagged for logic

(rec)

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 19, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose Glaus in the OF could work

it sounds really nutty at first, but when you compare it to when Albert (or Adam Dunn for that matter) is in the outfield, it doesn’t sound quite as insane. If he’s just a pinch hitter you of course aren’t going to be able to get him a) warmed up to major league pitching and b) in the lineup to do more damage than a Joe Thurston or similar player. remember, the reason to put Skip at second is to prevent what we had last year, two offensive holes in the lineup. so far it’s been Thurston and to a much lesser extent brendan ryan. now if derosa and ryan can play above average offense, we won’t really have any holes in the lineup.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 19, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All this manipulation...

reminds me of the Mark McGwire situation in 2000…whatever injury he had (I just don’t remember off the top of my head), he could not play the field, but even then, he still had a potent power bat so he could hit…you may recall that TLR wanted to get him at least one PA a game, so, for road games anyway, he was in the starting lineup batting third, he’d get his time at bat, and then would be replaced when it was time for the Cardinals to play the field. I remember that this happened, I just don’t recall for what period this lasted…they had Will Clark that year, so that helped. That was a crazy year. It was the Ankiel meltdown in the playoffs and Matheny cut his hand open just before the end of the year. Wow!

by tbell61 on Jul 19, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup

That’s how Mark Mcgwire got starts in 2B and LF in September of 2000. He was mainly a PH, though.

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jul 20, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not set a record for biggest second baseman ever.

Put Glaus at second, Schumaker in left, and DeRosa at third. It would be safer than Pujols playing third and it’d be safer than glaus playing third, and our OF defense would improve. I don’t get why we just don’t sign Grudz. Now he’s almost signed by someone else. But I’m fine with Glaus in left if thats our only option.

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by RasRoY on Jul 19, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Glaus

is being showcased for the AL scouts as a DH. No way he plays left. What pitcher do you do that to? Do you thing Troy has been out doing speed work?
Mo is just filling time till after the deadline. He is a waver wire master…. garbage man.

by OperaCard on Jul 19, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BTB says floppy traded to MIL

For several garbage prospects.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jul 19, 2009 7:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

One man's garbage is another man's treasure

I’d say Mercedes has some definite upside.

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jul 19, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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