Post All-Star Game Musings
Hegemony for all!
Once again, the American League will have home field advantage for the World Series. Can't say I'm entirely surprised, seeing as how they've had it every other year it's been decided by the All-Star Game. Sigh. It doesn't seem to do any good to complain, as baseball is apparently set on continuing this ridiculous farce on down into the pits of Sheol.
I am rather upset about something that happened, or rather didn't happen, prior to the game, but I've already said my piece on it this morning, so I won't rehash here. As for the game itself, well, the American League was probably the better team, but not in the way they have been for the past however many years now.
For quite some time, the AL has clearly been the better league. More talent, better hitters, pitchers used to working against all nine hitters, rather than strategically using the pitcher's spot to help get out of jams and the like. As of now, though, I don't believe that's any longer the case. The National League talent level is equal to the American League in nearly every facet, with the exception of one.
The closers.
Let's face it, the American League won largely because they were able to throw arguably the three best closers in the game at the NL in the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings. The NL had no answer, relying instead on Heath Bell, a nice pitcher who looks a whole lot better than he really is due to pitching in baseball's Grand Canyon. Yes, yes, I realise the NL did have Ryan Franklin, whose beard power should have been enough to bring home a National victory, but he was used up early in the proceedings. Even if he had been saved for the end, I'm just not sure that Franklin/ Bell/ Rodriguez is quite equal to Papelbon/ Nathan/ Rivera.
There's a lesson to be learned here, I think, for those of us who follow the Cardinals. Not too very long ago, we saw Chris Perez, at times seen as the team's closer of the future, and a PTBNL, also assumed to likely be a reliever, traded away for Mark DeRosa. Now, I'm not interested in arguing again about whether or not it was a good deal. That territory has been well covered. But what I do find interesting is some of the logic used at the time to justify the move of Perez, a potential shut-down reliever, in the pursuit of DeRosa.
Even among those who believed Perez was, in fact, going to end up being very, very good down the road a bit, there was sentiment that it was alright to give up Perez, because we already had other pitchers who could close games. I wonder, after seeing the AL able to simply shut the game down after the sixth inning due to the presence of such intimidating, overpowering relief pitchers, do we feel the same way?
It has long been an accepted truism that you need a closer and a setup reliever to bridge the gap and get the game from either the starter or various other fill-in type relievers to the closer. But consider a team like the 1990 Cincinnati Reds. The Reds won the World Series that year, and their success was predicated largely on the trio of relievers they had at the back end of their bullpen. Now, please don't think I'm trying to make the case the Reds won solely because of the Nasty Boys; Cincinnati was a very good team that year. But the biggest strength of that club was the fact that they could throw Norm Charlton, Rob Dibble, and Randy Myers at you on any given night, essentially turning any contest into a six inning game. (By the way, all three of those guys were dominant in '90, but Dibble's ERA+ that year was 228. I had forgotten just how terrifying he was for awhile there.)
The lesson here, I think, is that the reasoning of, "We already have a guy to close, so it's alright to move this other guy," is faulty. You can never have too many shutdown arms late in the game, and to consider one expendable because he isn't necessarily going to close games out is, I think, very short-sighted. Now, I will say this: the sheer depth of right-handed relief pitching the Cardinals have managed to stockpile helps to ease the sting of losing a guy or two like this, but I still think the point is a valid one. (Oh, and before anyone bothers, I am in now way implying that Chris Perez is the equivalent of Mariano Rivera. He also wouldn't be pitching to an All-Star team. The concept is what matters here.)
The other thing on my mind this morning relates to our very own Albert Pujols. There has, of course, been much angst amongst the fans of late over the impending end of Albert's contract. I think we can all agree that Albert packing up and alighting for the territories would be a serious blow to the Cardinals, not only from an on the field standpoint, but also from a public relations angle. The rage which would follow the Cardinals failing to retain the greatest player most of us have ever seen personally play the game would be utterly terrifying to behold. On the field, losing Pujols would create an enormous performance vacuum, one I'm not entirely sure any team would be able to quickly fill.
But after watching Albert the past few weeks in his role as All-Star ambassador, I've been thinking a bit about how I would feel if he left. Bob Nightengale, always a favourite of the people here in St. Louis, implied in a column just prior to the ASG that Albert may be on his way out, and the resulting bitchfest over at CardsTalk was magnificent. Over at Gateway Redbirds, a thread popped up asking the question: how would you feel if Albert left as a free agent?
So that's the question I pose to you all this morning. (Morning if I hurry up and get this done; I was out in downtown quite late last night after the game, and didn't get any sort of early start on any of my various writing commitments for the day.) Say Albert does pull up stakes here and go to another team for the 2012 season. What would that do to your fandom? Would you rage and scream against cheap ownership? Accept that there was really no way to build a competitive team around the financial demands of such a contract? Would you give up on the team entirely as a bad job, and take up knitting sweaters for cats?
We all want Albert Pujols to spend his entire career as a Cardinal, I'm sure. We want all of his MVP award and All-Star appearances to be in Cardinal red. When he is inducted into Cooperstown, we want the interlocked STL right there on his cap. But in this modern age of sport, we also must consider the prospect that none of those things may come to pass. Albert may, in fact, play in another uniform before his time in the game of baseball is done. And if that happens, I wonder how so many of us who love this team will react.
Personally, I would be upset, perhaps incredibly so, but I would never stop following the team. I root for laundry, as the saying goes. The Cardinal jersey is what matters to me; I'm a fan of the team, not Albert Pujols. Actually, let me rephrase that: I'm a fan of Albert Pujols because he's a Cardinal; not a fan of the Cardinals because they have Albert Pujols.
When I was very young, my favourite player was John Tudor. My grandfather and I would sit and watch every game we could that he pitched, even to the point that grandpa bought a VCR just to record games. (Sadly, I have no idea what became of those tapes; when I bought the house my grandparents had left behind when they passed away, I didn't find any of them.) But when John Tudor was traded to the Dodgers, I didn't fall out of love with the Cardinals. I followed Tudor still in the boxscores, but the Cardinals were still my first love. Same with Ray Lankford. And Willie McGee. And Felix Jose. (Yes, that's right. I loved Felix Jose. You wanna fight about it?)
To me, following the Cardinals is simply a part of my life. I fell away from it for awhile in my sad and confused teenage years, but the game, and the team, were still there, just waiting for me to come back. All those memories of games as a child, Jack Buck on the radio, impersonating all the players' batting stances, the feeling you get when you walk into a ballpark, those things are all a part of me. I would never question someone else's fandom, but to me, the love of the game of baseball, and the love of the Cardinals, is much bigger than any one player will ever be, no matter how transcendent that player.
If Albert left, I would mourn, and I would rage, and I would likely become even more bitter and nasty in my rantings. But the Cardinals would remain my team.
Well, either that or the cat sweater thing. That does sound pretty cool.
Oops, almost forgot.
The Baron's Playlist for the 15th of July, 2009
An interesting thing happened to me not too long ago. I went out to dinner with some friends of mine, and after the pizza was consumed, we decided to head over to the snow cone and frozen custard stand nearby. This particular snow cone shop has music, generally in the form of a DJ, on Friday and Saturday nights. Guy comes in, plays the current pop stuff, the 10-16 year old kids there with their mothers eat it up, everybody's happy.
Well, on this particular Friday evening, rather than the typical DJ, there was a young man with a guitar playing. Same crowd of families and large groups of children sitting at the picnic tables, but listening to this guy and his old Hohner. I didn't think too much of it at the time, but as we were standing there, I started to realise that I knew the song he was playing, but couldn't place it. So I actually listened, rather than simply treating it as background noise, and I suddenly realised he was playing Johnny Cash's "Fulsom Prison Blues" to a group of twelve year old kids. Now, far be it from me to criticise, as I love Johnny Cash as I love few things in this world, but there was something rather odd about seeing a large group of tweeners listen to man sing about the man he shot in Reno.
Well, needless to say, I was thrilled by this, and immediately began to mentally put together a set list that this delightful troubadour could play for these children. I shall share it now with you.
Fulsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash
Country Death Song - The Violent Femmes
Where the Wild Roses Grow - Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
Where Did You Sleep Last Night - Nirvana
Death Letter - Son House
There. That ought to give the little bastards an idea of what the world is like.
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Why would you tease me saying that tapes existed?
You must hunt them down. It is your life mission.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought of you when I was writing that,
and actually did think to myself, “Boy, this is just going to drive Hardcore crazy. Maybe I should just let it go.”
I’ve asked around the family, but none of them have any idea what I’m talking about. I’ve been through the whole house, attic, basement, everything, as well as everything anyone took out of the place, and nothing. Really depressing, as I desperately wanted to get my hands on those.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check the VCR.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 15, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
car trunk
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This goes for anyone
if you have any Cardinals games on VHS, from 2006 and earlier, please please please let me know.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HL
I figured you had this one, but I have the final game in Busch II on VHS. Do you need a copy of that?
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 15, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I tried looking in the last place you’d ever expect. And NO, RB’s videos are NOT in the ladies’ room of that laser tag place on twelfth avenue.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 15, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's weird.
I distinctly remember something about home movies and a women’s bathroom… huh. Oh, well, I’m sure it’ll come to me eventually.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would be legend,,wait for it,,wait for it,,,
D A R Y if you found those tapes
btw, HL, i’ve got game 6 of the 86 WS on VHS. i was a huge gary carter fan because we have one minor thing in common. i have no idea why i taped that & only that game but i did.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 16, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree with your feelings on APu leaving
It would be crushing, but I’d still follow the Cards. Not sure how I would feel about him, it probably depends on how the negotiations play out.
by OCCardsFan on Jul 15, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If they offer him $120 M/5 or 6 y
and he walks, I’ll be very bitter towards him.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
If they make a competitive offer and he walks, I would be disappointed.
by OCCardsFan on Jul 15, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm the same way,
but … I think a 2-year boycott, i.e., not one penny of my money going into the Cardinals’ pocket, would be involved.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 15, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glaus
I know this is completely off-topic, but b/c Glaus is on a rehab assignment, does that mean the 20 day clock is now running on his activation? I presume so. I don’t understand why you start the clock if he can’t throw the ball.
by OCCardsFan on Jul 15, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because if he hits .350 with power
in the minors, some team will look at him as a DH.
And if some team takes him and gives us nothing in return, we will clear enough to trade for any player that was making $13 M or less this year because of the contract being pro-rated.
That would include Matt Holliday.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems improbable to me
That he will hit with power, yet can’t throw a ball, but I’m no MD or physical therapist.
I’m sure Paletta and crew know better.
by OCCardsFan on Jul 15, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Throwing involves lifting your arm over your head
Hitting is from down to up.
Mulder had this problem too. He could play golf no problem but couldn’t pitch worth a crap.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he really should shut it down & focus on his golf game
i bet if he tried hard enough, one day he could make the senior tour
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 16, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I give you Albert Pujols circa what, 2003?
by sdrone on Jul 15, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be clear this is because of the july 31st trade deadline.
the cards need to know if he can hit, both so they can make a trade for a 3b if he can’t, and so they can consider trading him before july 31st to an AL team who might need a DH who might play a little 3b later.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gut reaction here:
But given his salary, I bet Glaus could be a candidate for a post-deadline waiver trade.
by arch support on Jul 15, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday or Halladay
or Both? Open up DeWallet!!!
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jul 15, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did anyone see this?
Strong organizational suspicion Glaus eventually will require additional surgery. #stlallstarabout 18 hours ago from web
tweeted by strauss.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way!
Paletta and Co. almost always need to have surgeries more than once. Cards’ medical staff really sucks.
Nelly > Dunc
by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 15, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that by the time he's done
Albert Pujols is going to be one of the game’s top few greatest hitters. And I think that letting that player go somewhere else would be a grievous mistake. In the same way that Musial is a Cardinal great, I want Pujols to be riding into Busch VI on a golf cart someday. We may very well be talking about the greatest hitter to ever live before it’s all said and done. That’s the kind of talent that builds the team’s brand. Hell, if no steroid allegations ever come out, Pujols could be remembered as the white knight that led the game of baseball beyond its dark period of drugs and cheating. The face of the Cardinals legacy and whatnot. And as a bonus, he’ll never be paid what he’s actually worth, because the market won’t sustain that kind of contract. I mean, why WOULDN’T you sign him? I just don’t see a reason to let him go.
I’m not going to stop rooting for the Cardinals if they lose Pujols. But I’ll be damn pissed. And as sad as it is to watch Dan (“Who?”) Haren dominating elsewhere, it would kill me even more to watch Pujols make history year after year as a Yankee.
by mojowo11 on Jul 15, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
This is not just a good player, this a franchise player. A player who could turn into a legend. The way Musial, Gibson & Brock are referred to will be the way we are asked what it was like to see this guy play and even more so.
We are so lucky because every game is televised, so we would lament this loss even more so than previous eras.
by Salti Cracker on Jul 15, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't wait to hear
the radio spots with a 58 year old Pujols hocking home insurance or basement sealant treatments.
“Hi, I’m Hhkall o Fahmer Albert Pujols. My hhkome rone hitting days are ober, but my need por quality auto tires goes on. Thas why I trust de pros at Dobbs…”
by arch support on Jul 15, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize Albert was a Jewish Latino
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 15, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Busch 6?
Damn! That’s alot of Ballpark Villages!
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 15, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did anyone catch the ad for the Dominican
They seemed to be building… a ballpark village. On the water.
I hope they’re prepared for the lake.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By my count
That’s still zero ballpark villages.
by mojowo11 on Jul 16, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would hate it if Albert left
I would still be a Cardinals fan, and an Albert fan (unless he went to the Yankees or Red Sox), but I would not stop giving Mo grief. I hope Mo is saving up for Albert’s next contract, because from what I can tell so far, Mo’s been a pretty cheap GM. I’m not saying that Mo being cheap isn’t a bad thing, and it really isn’t. But when Albert wants to be on a contender and you’ve played 15 rookies in a single season (really, in the first half of a season), and your team keeps having injury issues, he may not be around after his contract’s up. And in a way, I wouldn’t be surprised if Albert left – as much as I hate to say it.
I’m really hoping that the Cards have the commitment on Albert, but at the same time, I hope the team contends. I don’t think Albert would like seeing repeats of last year (where STL finished 4th in the NLC), and I have no idea how the rest of the season will play out for the team. I just hope that the team can get healthy, we can contend, and then we can sign Albert.
Nelly > Dunc
by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 15, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it is unfair to call a GM cheap
I would think most GM’s would spend whatever money is available to them. If someone is cheap, it is likely ownership. Is Kevin Tower’s cheap b/c the Padres dumped salary to get under $40 million. No, the ownership made him do it. All the GM can do is to assemble the best team possible for the money alloted.
by OCCardsFan on Jul 15, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mo needs to:
Organize a Bake Sale for Albert…
by OldieWan on Jul 15, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll make the brownies
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jul 15, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes i will!
i’ll even provide the special ingredient for a few batches
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 16, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with you on the tribute
I was really, really disappointed in the pre-game stuff yesterday. I had been looking forward to that for a year and what we got was incredibly lame. I really wanted a celebration of all of our HOF’ers, not just musial, and we didn’t even get a celebration of Musial; what we got was 5 guys in ugly red suits standing around looking uncomfortable, an orange woman singing, and a photo op for a guy from chicago.
the end of every half inning IS a turning point. -Evilfrog
by SleepyCA on Jul 15, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Say what you will about the pregame
but don’t you ever, ever bad mouth those suits.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 15, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think it was due to the increased security with the POTUS being there
I think they had to limit the on-field stuff with the first pitch because of security concerns. Which is understandable.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it was ok
to have a 15 min tribute to the Community All-Stars? Why couldn’t they honor Musial before the president came out or instead of the time committed to the community people?
by Salti Cracker on Jul 15, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I don’t plan these things.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I just find it pretty ridiculous to think that the president’s secuirty would not allow for a 3 min video tribute or speech. The President was in and out in 5 min. The Community montage took quite a bit of time. I have seen many people blaming the President for this and I am just not buying it.
3 Minutes!
by Salti Cracker on Jul 15, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to the Cards, MLB's sponsor's spent a shit ton of jack
on the volunteers. and they had to do that to make the sponsor’s happy. what fucked us outta The Man’s trib was the POTUS & all his security. if he wouldn’t have been there, we would have gotten a lot more tributes for The Man. but the SS locked down everything & put everything & everyone on a short time frame, so we fans & The Man got royally screwed out of his much deserved, and long, long overdue tribute.
so blame Big O. or whatever jackass was responsible for having him in the house. the Cards hands were tied.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 16, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't the
Cardinals invite the President? Or was it MLB? Either way, it’s their faults. Everyone knows what the Secret Service does.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 16, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly, i'm not sure who's idea it was, but it's their fault
Bill DeWitt III says so this morning
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 17, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have to wonder if stan didn't ask them to go easy
maybe i’m just being hopeful..otherwise that was a travesty
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 15, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't ask them to go
easy last year on his tribute day.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 15, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wanted to say nice work on the RFT write-up re: the "tribute"
I was absolutely baffled while watching that “tribute” last night. I just don’t get it, I really don’t. We talked about this in the thread last night too and I thought the same thing: I was under the impression that THIS was gonna be the Cards’ opportunity to celebrate Musial and structure something so that everyone could fawn all over The Man just the way they did Ted Williams. The cart and bringing out the ball was crap, IMO. At the very least, we needed some video instead of Joe Buck reading a couple of sentences.
They really missed the boat on that one. Otherwise, I feel like pretty much everything else was alright, all things considered.
by goodymobb on Jul 15, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm writing it off as FOX is lame
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh
Fox IS lame, but I think that’s too easy of a scapegoat on this one. Sure, Fox broadcasts seem like the game sort of gets in the way of all the ads and promos and junk, but I think MLB, the Cards, AND Fox get to share this blame.
by goodymobb on Jul 15, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
they really didn’t go into the history or anything. it’s almost like the event could have been in any city and it wouldn’t be any different.
I even watched the MLB Network pre-game coverage with the red carpet and all that hoopla and they didn’t even do a good job. I just think that they think the average fan doesn’t give a hoot about that stuff, and I think they are underestimating us
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are not
Since your premise that you are an average fan is incorrect.
by sdrone on Jul 15, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what?
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they think that the lowest common denominator fan doesn't want to see that historic stuff
which I disagree with
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is just so commercialized
and it’s like for some reason, there’s no longer any room for the nostalgia, even thought that is probably MLB’s biggest selling point compared to the other major sports.
It’s unfortunate too, because this mindset even trickles down to the marketing partners: Have you seen that “Forever Young” Pepsi commercial where they show a bunch of old-time players/footage spliced with new(er)-fangled players? Well if not, it’s basically chock full of Yankees, a few Royals, a few Red Sox, and I think Jackie Robinson made the cut, ending with an onscreen shot of the Babe and Jeter.
So Pepsi, one of the most visible corporations associated with MLB, designs this Forever Young marketing campaign to pump up Pepsi around the All-Star game (these things are plastered all over STL too) in St. Louis. Of course, instead of really tying the present to the past and incorporating The Man and Albert (who’s like one of the more marketable players in MLB these days), we get more and more “familiar” images shoved down our throats. They had a chance to capitalize on the local history, which to me would make sense, and even they missed it.
I dunno…maybe it’s “little old me” Midwest complex, but it just bugs me.
by goodymobb on Jul 15, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hated that
Hay guyz, Jeter n Ruth grate comertial!!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stupid corporations
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely
It was horribly done. They needed to hire Ken Burns to interview Red, TLR, Ozzie, Gibby, Lou, Pujols, and Yadi, splice together some of that glorious grainy footage of The Many, including his 3,000th hit, 400th HR, etc. and work in his accomplishments as an All-Star, MVP, World Series Champion, and then end it with someone playing the role of Ford Frisk and a shot of the Statue, ""Here stands baseball’s perfect warrior. Here stands baseball’s perfect knight." And then they could have had a voiceover of Jack Buck calling his name. Then he emerges from the rightfield corner. It’s not hard at all.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 15, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I like how just off the top of your head (presumably)
you came up with a far better tribute to The Man. And honestly, how hard woul dthat have been? Even like a minute or two video tribute would’ve served the purpose of highlighting his achievements.
I heard on one of the STL talk radio shows about how MLB was responsible for “educating” the players and what-not and because they presumably didn’t educate the young whipper snapper players, well, THAT’s why the players weren’t that into the tribute and didn’t come out and show him love. Personally, I think that’s a dumb explanation.
by goodymobb on Jul 15, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would this be the same Ken Burns
who barely mentions Musial’s career in his documentary on baseball? Seriously, nearly 7 hours of footage in this documentary from 1940 to 1965 and we get barely a mention of Stan the Man?
I’d just as soon leave Burns out of that if at all possible.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 15, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why Burns? he's an idiot
he barely acknowledges him in baseball. he has no idea who Stan is or what he did.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 16, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one point about the ASG
The Cardinals don’t really have much control over the pregame festivities. MLB is in charge of the entire show no matter where the game is played. I’m not saying I wasn’t disappointed too, but don’t blame the Cardinals. I’m sure they would have done more to celebrate the carreers of those guys if they could have.
Also, like earlier posters have stated, the attendance of the prez may have had something to do with it. But ultimately, MLB probably made the decision to spend less time honoring the Cardinal’s greats.
The purpose of the exercise is to win the World Series
by Walking Underwear on Jul 15, 2009 3:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I think MLB and Fox are the likely culprits
Only so much airtime before the game. MLB seemed to control the All-Stars Among Us which took up a significant time. Probably not enough time to all do a tribute to Stan. I’m not saying it was right, just I don’t think the blame is on the Cards.
by OCCardsFan on Jul 15, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they can make it up to stan at a home game during the WS this year.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like your optimism
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A nice tribute on fangraphs to musial

This shows Musial as compared to pujols by wOBA.
The whole article is worth a read.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
interesting that Albert had an off year at 27 and Musial had a career year
but most of the other stuff is pretty close
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fangraphs links
to this article, which is freaking great. read it.
(my apologies if this has been posted below)
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 15, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to imagine any player being better than Albert Pujols
Thanks for that graph, it’s very enlightening on just how awesome The Man was
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 15, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how I'll feel if Albert leaves
but I know that I don’t even want to start thinking about it.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 15, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is exactly how I feel.
Thinking about it hurts my tummy.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 15, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's the thing about Albert
it is really simple to keep him this off-season.
*Win the division.
*Sign Matt Holliday, draft picks be damned.
That’s it. Matt Holliday is an uber-religious family guy like Albert. Signing him to play LF, retaining Colby and Ludwick to fill out the rest of the OF, I think Albert will sign an extension this off-season.
It’s going to cost money, there is no doubt about that. But Bill DeWitt has to realize what a colossal cultural mistake it would be for his organization to let what is likely to be one of the Top 5 careers all-time walk away.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and for what it's worth
DeWitt has come out on record and said that they will begin contract talks w/ Albert this winter. I realize that could be just a formality or whatever, but if we win the division, it’d be the perfect time to pounce.
Also we read alot about Tony’s influence on Albert’s decision. Wouldn’t hiring Oquendo keep Albert happy too? Isn’t Albert professional enough to play for any good manager?
by kalmavet on Jul 15, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too
that is, about DeWitt saying they were going to talk this winter. That’s a good sign, to me, as it’s the first time I’ve heard the team acknowledge that they can’t wait until his option year.
Albert, apparently, is a big fan of TLR as manager. I would hope that he would be professional about someone else taking over if Tony decides to retire, but I imagine exactly WHO takes over could play a part in his decision.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 15, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good point
While Holliday’s stats indicate he’s not the best choice for us, there may be other implications to consider.
If that’s what it takes to keep Albert I’d be OK with wasting some extra money on him.
by birdo rojo on Jul 15, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely
A few more points to back this up:
- Holliday will only cost money + pick not already developed MiLB talent
- Holliday would likely put up better numbers in the NL and in mostly hitter friendly NL Central parks
- Holliday is a + defender in LF
- Holliday has hit very well at Busch III
- Holliday would be hitting in an advantageous situation where pitchers will have too challenge him regularly because Pujols is on base almost half the time.
by indakind on Jul 15, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm roughly 10 hours late to the discussion...
But if that scenario played out, how awesome would this offense potentially be (on paper) for the next few years?
C Yadi
1B Albert
2B Skip (I guess)
3B Wallace
SS Boog
LF Holliday
CF Colby
RF Ludwick
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 16, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't there a better OF who's got good morals & ethics better than Matt the Cards can sign?
there has to be isn’t there?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 16, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
morals and ehtics are seriosuly overrated
wait, I know…sign Bonds!
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jul 16, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if only,,,,
i get what HL means though. i’m sure Albert would appreciate another guy on the team who shares some of his belief’s with. but i personally don’t care. i just want the best players the Cards can get. and if they are going to drop $10-$15mil per season on an OF, i’d much rather it be someone else that we know for a fact can actually produce outside of Coors Canaveral
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 16, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert's completely hypothetical departure
Would be greatly eased by the long-term Cardinality of the Raz and Wainer. If there’s one thing I learned from the ‘revival’ season of ‘98, it’s don’t get into Cardinal fandom for one guy, no matter how amazing he is.
The real question is: does Yadier Molina also leave with Albert? If things get so bad that the Cards let two franchise players walk, there’s a lot more going wrong with the organization, personnel or GOB-wise, than just losing Albert.
Do we lose Red? Do we lose Dave Duncan? Does Oquendo walk? Will they deal Motte for a guy who breaks down in five minutes so some other team can enjoy the Sauce’s new pitch? A lot has to happen before I lose interest in the Cardinals. I mean come on. So Taguchi still gets ovations.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some things are just born in you
and being a Cardinal fan was evidently born in me. Over the years, I have drifted in and out pulling for different college and pro football teams but i have never ventured from being a Cardinal fan in baseball come hell or highwater.
by ridgesee on Jul 15, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Albert Leaves
I will leave with him. I never felt the same about the Blues when they let Brett Hull walk.
I am a Cardinal fan first, but there is something to be said about what it means to be a Cardinal fan. When I look back I think of the enjoyment of watching Willie, Ozzie & Jack Clark as well as Jimmy, Scott Rolen and Pujols. Its the players that are associated with the memories.
If Pujols leaves, my fantasy baseball team will be the team I care most about.
by Salti Cracker on Jul 15, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on Albert, but
Brett Hull was, and is, and asshole. Nobody that worked with the Blues organization liked that guy.
The Cards have always done a tremendous job of identifying core, franchise players and making sure they stayed Cardinals. Even though Tudor left, Ozzie was still there.
Pujols is the franchise. If the Cards make a good offer and he goes to the Yanks to win 8 or 10 world series, then I won’t blame the team for that. I don’t think Albert would do that, though. He really seems to love being a Cardinal and appreciates all that the people of St. Louis represent. He is a midwesterner, and shares a lot of moral and religious values with a whole lot of Cardinal Nation. If he went anywhere else, I don’t think he would get that same kind of patient reverie that he enjoys here.
Now, if the team simply lets him walk and cites business decisions, budgets, draft picks, etc…, then I will drop my Cardinals fandom as fast as you can blink. I don’t want to be a fan of an organization that chooses to let its greatest player EVER to walk.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jul 15, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No player is above the game itself
or the team for that matter. There might come a time when it’s best that Albert goes. I was a Cardinal fan before he came and I’ll be a Cardinal fan when he goes.
by ridgesee on Jul 15, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Pujols walks
I will pull a Brad Thompson and kick a puppy.
Then I’ll turn on the game and root for the ’birds.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jul 15, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd be damned depressed if he left but I'd still be a cardinal fan...
I might not watch all or any games for awhile or at least I’d stop looking at the 3rd batter and never look towards 1st but I’d still follow my team. But, PLEASE SIGN HIM PLEASE SIGN HIM PLEASE SIGN HIM!!!! Just it better not be what happened to Eckstein…oh wait I didn’t know you were still interested so we forgot to give you an offer.
by ADMDrayson on Jul 15, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have one problem with your closer theory...
while Rivera was his usual self, the other two weren’t. The box score doesn’t show it, but we all saw Crawford bring back Hawpe’s HR off of Papelbon, and Tejada and somebody else each hit first pitch swings to the warning track (I think off of Nathan). Unfortunately I can’t find play by play to get everything right. All three of those balls were hit harder than Granderson’s slashing triple down the line.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Jul 15, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A GREAT PREGAME!!!
I’m seldom moved by bullshit, but this bullshit hit me just right.
The game itself… wel it was an All-star game.
My favorite subtle moment- as The Man rode past the NL dugout, the players were all paying their props, Stan smiled an pointed to Joe Torre. Joe acknowledged in kind- smile and a familiar wave. “You’re my guy” sort of thing. Torre has enough Cardinal in him to know what The Man means to baseball and StL.
Also, as the crowd poured love onto Albert, and before we could see him say “wow”, the guy next to him (I forget his name and probably his team- although I think it was Phillies), just nodded as if to say, “yeah, he deserves it- he’s the best player in MLB.”
by Scarecrow7775 on Jul 15, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Poor Utley
Utley should know, since he’d be the best NL player the last few years were Albert not around. And his teammates got back-to-back MVP awards. Then Dustin Pedroia gets one, since it’s so awesome to see a good-fielding 2B have a great year at the bat and all.
Sorry, I just feel really bad for Chase Utley sometimes.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, he's no longer overshadowed by jimmy rollins, that's for sure.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there were a lot of underrated players on the Phillies
Too bad they play in Philadelphia.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I told my father in law that if I had to have a player
other than Albert, it’d be a toss up between Utley and Hanley.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those guys are almost always listed as
“guys you’d start a team with” ’cause of the serious power from a non-power position.
by sdrone on Jul 15, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keith Law...
still says he would pick Utley before Albert. Keith Law is a jackass.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 16, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
i wish i could rec this a hundred times
i hate law. what a jackass
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 16, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I would agree with this
and then I looked at this graph
It makes me wonder if he’d be the same home run hitter outside of Philly as he is now. His home splits aren’t that much better than his road splits, so maybe this is just an interesting anecdote.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 16, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you didn't focus on this in today's post RB, but I can't help myself.
I read your RFT article and you were spot-on. This was a huge missed opportunity. If I am just a regular fan, one of those people who doesn’t necessarily “get” Stan Musial, I don’t come away from that broadcast with a sense of how awesome he is. Ted Williams is an interesting comparison because he was already much more appreciated by the country at-large. I think a lot more people associate Williams with the likes of Ruth, Gehrig, Mays, Aaron and the like from the get-go. So not only did he get a better tribute, but he needed it less.
The thing is, I don’t really believe this is entirely the Cardinals’ fault. It’s not just “our” event, it’s an MLB event, and most importantly, it’s a TV event for Fox. When there’s an infomercial for public service featuring every living president, and the current one throws out the first pitch, it’s going to get overshadowed. I’m not sure what the decision-making process looked like but it was probably not much choice in the matter. A lot of stuff probably got pressed on them.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I get...
your quote that your someone "who doesn’t necessarily “get” Stan Musial"
Are you arguing that he’s an all-time great who didn’t get his props or that he is not as great as his numbers would indicate?
by Scarecrow7775 on Jul 15, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is saying that there are casual fans out there
who don’t ‘get’ what the big deal is about Stan Musial.
Those people exist and the broadcast last night did nothing to make them understand.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's saying "if" he was one of those fans
and most of the country does not “get” Stan Musial.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 15, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm implying the first:
He’s one of the ten best position players of all time, I believe. But he seems to always be left out of that kind of discussion. He is perhaps greater than his number would indicate, at least in a manner of speaking; his homerun total for example is awesome but not eye-popping. I believe it’s under 500.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
475
Is his HR total
keep in mind he lost time due to the military in his prime
by Salti Cracker on Jul 15, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He lost one year
and that was back when he was still hitting 12 to 19 HRs a year, so it’s doubtful that would have put him into the 500 club.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 15, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does it matter?
3600+ hits AND he hit 475 homers?!
by Scarecrow7775 on Jul 15, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyhting?
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 15, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very existential question
who am I? Where am I?
by Scarecrow7775 on Jul 15, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i ask myself why am i here every day
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 16, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so do we GDM, so do we
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jul 16, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, there's a bunch of deep motherfuckers up here in
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 16, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't pass up that opportunity
I am actually happy you are here, it keeps you away from the ballpark.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jul 17, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that & all the restraining orders
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 17, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
He might have eclipsed 500 with that prime year. My point wasn’t that he was a worse ballplayer for not having 500 homeruns, but that at first glance, things like that may lead somebody to not understand how great his career was. A lot more people look at HR for example than doubles; Stan is 3rd all-time for career doubles. According to Baseballreference.com, He’s third all-time in runs created, sixth all-time in adjusted batting runs, fifth in adjusted batting wins. He’s eighth all-time in Rally’s WAR. He’s an amazing player but I can see how people wouldn’t really just how amazing he is.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I get into this conversation with non-Cardinal fans
I always start with Joe Dimaggio, who lost nearly half his prime years (ages 28,29, and 30) to WWII.
I ask: “Do you know who Joe Dimaggio is?”
They say “Everyone knows who Joe Dimaggio is”
I say, “Would you believe that Stan Musial was a better player than Joe DiMaggio?” and “Had Stan Musial married Marliyn Monroe and played for the Yankees you’d know a lot more about him?”
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 15, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I’ve had this exact same conversation. Actually, it was similar. It with a very baseball-savvy friend about the same topic. He pointed out that maybe Williams was a better comparison since their careers were more parallel, but yeah.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOF
Here are the numbers at B-ref that amazed me yesterday: 1, 3, 4, and 5.
Those are Musial’s rankings (all time) on the four Bill James-inspired HOF indexes at the bottom of each player’s page. They’re not meant to be sabermetric (e.g., they don’t include “adjusted batting runs” or “ops+”). Instead, they’re simply descriptive: Does the player look like an HOFer on the standard measures (BA, home runs, doubles, rbis, etc.)?
Musial rankings are 1, 3, 4, and 5 for the four indexes. Everyone else—Williams, Mays, Gehrig, etc.—has a rank of 10 or worse on one or more measures. Ruth dips to 7 on one. Musial’s lowest rank is 5.
Musial had an amazingly long career (good for count stats) to go with great rate stats. He is the quintessential HOF player.
www.mpgillusion.com
by ncgostl on Jul 15, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Ty Cobb -- all top 5, too)
www.mpgillusion.com
by ncgostl on Jul 15, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I find interesting
is that Musial is near the top of so many different categories. It’s a huge variety. He’s pretty high on HRs even though he’s <500. He’s high on doubles. And BA. And OBP. And SLG. And OPS. And BBs. And singles. And hits. And AB, and PA, and games. He’s tied for 19th all-time in triples, with Rabbit Maranville, and everybody on the list ahead of him started their career between the 1880s and the 1920s. He’s second all-time in total bases! He might be the perfect counting stat guy, ever.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While that's true
Musial is #1 in “Character” while Cobb is dead last.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 15, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the ghost of ty cobb is going to kick your ass and then push
an old man down in the gutter just because you said that.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Rec'd and rec'd and rec'd.
Oh, if only I could recommend things more than once.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I helped out there
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i got here a day late but i still rec'd
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 16, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actually think
rogers hornsby was last. or at the very least giving cobb a real run for his money.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 15, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did the Raja...
…run into the stands to beat up a handicapped fan?
…beat up a groundskeeper over the condition of the field and then choking the man’s wife when she intervened in the altercation?
…beat up an umpire under the stands after a game to resolve an in-game argument, nearly choking him to death before his teammates intervened?
…slap a black elevator operator for being “uppity”?
…stab a black night watchman who intervened in his fight with the elevator operator?
…beat his own son with a whip after he flunked out of Princeton college?
Hornsby was a mean cuss, but the only moral issue I can find with him was that he was a member of the Ku Klux Klan and a unabashed racist — as was Ty Cobb and a lot of other people who grew up in the South at the time.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 16, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, not "always" left out of the discussion
But ignored far too much. And will continue to be.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that, if not only...
because Sparky had to add himself to the all-whatever team in Boston. HE WASN’T VOTED ON!!!!
In this case, I totally agree with you. Completely underapprciated.
Musial’s name is hallowed in baseball, whether or not they know it in NY or Boston.
The Man, El Hombre, Dizzy, Gibby, Ozzie, Wagner, Brock, et al- I’d put that team up against any other- Yankees be damned!
by Scarecrow7775 on Jul 15, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Things That I Learned from the 2009 All-Star Game
- The best free mini-exhibit downtown is the one in the Arch’s museum. (It’s by the beavers. Insert joke here.) Anything that opens with Ken Boyer’s jersey and ends with a baseball signed by Stan the Man and Albert Pujols is awesome. There’s also a diagram of early pitches to try. Good for a lunchbreak if you’re downtown.
- No one came except other Cardinals fans. We… boosted our own economy.
- Albert was just trying to put Halladay at ease.
- Secret plan: The AL votes in a crappy lineup so the manager can pick a really strong bench, thus winning the game.
- Secret plan: Expectations for Albert will dip, resulting in fewer intentional walks, resulting in a Triple Crown.
- Secret plan: Albert will lose his taste for big media pressure and opt for a smaller market.
- NL secretly lets the AL win because home field advantage means nothing if you split the first two WS games.
- The Padres figured this out, and have been sending their pitchers to close ever since.
- It takes an All-Star Game to put standard safety features on the ceremonial Chevy trucks, like benches and stairs for exiting.
- AJ Pujols is already networking with his young cohorts in the division.
- Molina and Franklin do indeed huddle together and giggle like schoolgirls.
- Taco Bell scares the bejesus out of me.
- Mo needs a bigger van. Fredbird was using it…
Last but not least: Yadier Molina owns you all.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I totally agree with #7.
The whole home-field-advantage-in-the-World-Series-being-decided-by-the-winner-of -the-All-Star-Game thing used to bother me a lot, but the Cardinals and Phillies both demonstrate that earning a split on the road is key to winning it all. And then you get to clinch in your home park, which is awesome.
by cardsgirl95 on Jul 15, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, luckily it hasn't mattered much. The principle matter still stands.
I just looked it up, forgive me if I made an error: Marlins won in 2003, then the AL swept two years in a row (which tells me home field advantage didn’t matter much since those were such lopsided series) then we won in 2006, Boston sweeps again in 2007, Phillies win in 2008.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
But I still say the ‘04 Series is totally different if it starts in St. Louis. I’m not saying we win the thing, but game one turned into a slugfest that wouldn’t have happened at Busch II, especially Bellhorn’s cheap and ultimately game-winning homerun off of Pesky’s Pole in the 8th.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 16, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto....
I was in grad school with a few huge Sawks fans that year. I remember saying how it was dumb that they had to play Game 1 in Boston (Cards had the better record) and how things MIGHT have played out different (or at least a little more competitively) if Game 1 was in STL.
Look, Boston did something historic, coming back from being down 0-3 to their hated rivals. So with all that momentum, and THEN they get to open the WS in their home park in front of their fans, well, you’re really stacking the deck against the Cards, IMO. MAYBE if they start the series in STL and the team with the better record had homefield, MAYBE some of that momentum is negated just a hair, who knows?
by goodymobb on Jul 16, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
- is a great point, plus maybe they want to have a DH too
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
meant #7
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 and 7 do kinda look similar
This is why we should bring back Roman Numerals!
Starting I-Baseman for your MMIX St. Louis Cardinals, number V, Albert Pujols!
Pujols has already got XXXII home runs, over LIII ribbies, and is batting above CCCXXX so far. He’s got a good chance of making a run at the III Crown.
You know Al, he really does.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
they're VEB numbers
Consult the programmers. All I did was use their so-called “formatting guide.”
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even know how it went into the list function
thought I hit 7
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
12
some of the meat Taco Bell uses is lower grade than dog food
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all about the Roosevelts baby!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeee aaah
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Serious Number > Roosevelts
"Every epoch dreams its successor" - Jules Michelet
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 15, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd, but i don't undestand why Yadda owns us
i sold my soul years ago for brownies
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 16, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
RFT blog
There was a comment over at RFT wondering how much MLB may have had in any sort of tribute the Cards didn’t do for Musial. I do think it’s strange that they have done good tributes in the past, even with DeWitt, etc. at the helm (like old Busch).
Then again, I don’t know why MLB would really tell the Cards not to do a lengthy tribute.
by saladdays on Jul 15, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Finally
I can finally read Red Baron’s blog at work. Nit sure what was up those last couple of weeks, but it sucked.
by Salti Cracker on Jul 15, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what I would do
I don’t like thinking about this. The way I felt when I first saw an image of Jim Edmonds in a Cubs uniform would be multiplied exponentially. It would be a visceral anger which I didn’t think an adult could muster. There is no rationality here. Whatever he demands, he will inevitably give in value. He is greatness, a level of which we have never seen. What levels he will reach are left to the realm of the imagination. I cannot think about this. I cannot imagine Albert Pujols striking hit #3,000 in pinstripes or some other ugly jersey design. I want to be in Busch Stadium for home run numbers 400, 500, 600, 700, and 800. I don’t think that I would stop being a Cardinals fan, but I might stop being anything more than a casual fan. It would be, to me, like a combination of ‘94 Strike and Steroids on a baseball writer of America, only with more sullenness and less sanctimony. I need to expand on this, although I don’t want to give this potential outcome that much thought.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 15, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This has probably been covered at some point...
But why does the red baron use the British spellings of words like realize, organization, favorite, etc.? Before anyone jumps down my throat, I’m just asking.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 15, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a habit.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You and Felonius Monk are really the same person.
Admit it!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just curious...
Did you learn them that way from the time you were young or did you just start doing it that way because you like it better?
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 15, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a snob.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 15, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow.
That really hurts, Spants. Just because I write for an indie paper, only buy music on vinyl, only drink soda in glass bottles made with cane sugar, and collect pre-WWII silverware while deriding the modern lack of sophistication in design, I don’t see where you get off calling me a snob.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's fine. Why don't you tell us what your favorite John {Cougar (mellencamp)]}
song is, then? hmm? Hmm?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I despise Johnny Cougar, q
I have to admit, I’ve always had a soft spot for “Cherry Bomb”. I liked it when I was little, and always enjoy when I hear it.
His cover of Van Morrison’s “Wild Nights”, with Me’Shell Ndegeocello is pretty good, too.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fail.
Any “are you a snob?” question answered with the word “Ndegeocello” in it automatically counts against you. Hoist by your own petard.
A: You really ARE a snob.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even get points for pulling "Cherry Bomb" out of the old mental bag?
And what the hell is a petard? I think maybe YOU’RE the snobby one.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
guilty as charged.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Def. - Petard (noun) cousin of a ra-tard.
Official sponsor of Fat Jesus.
by MattK on Jul 15, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shakespeare
hoist with his own petard = blown up by his own bomb
by alberich on Jul 15, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
I was about to say it was a lance or some such but alberich is right (or at least agrees w/ the wiki entry), a (usually) conical bomb with a slow fuse used to breach walls. I checked my World Book and got…. nothing.
The wiki entry notes that the origin of petard is from the french word for “breaking wind”.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 15, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about RB
But I can’t get enough of that “This is our country” song. They couldn’t play that ad too much if they tried, if you ask me.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 15, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry Gross
interviewed him on Fresh Air and I got a new perspective on his music. Essentially, his songs are written as folk songs, but they’re recorded differently to appease the labels and the song charts. They’re a lot better when sung to an acoustic guitar and nothing else. Of course, I’m not running out to buy his albums, either.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 15, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
terry gross could make almost anyone sound like a genius.
except gene simmons. if you ever get a chance to hear it, you should. it’s about the most uncomfortable 15 minutes of radio ever recorded.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She interviewed Gene Simmons?
And I heart Terry Gross.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 15, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes. what a glorious disaster.
she’s may be the best regular interviewer out there since ted koppel stopped doing nightline.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we're going that broad of a spectrum
I would include Charlie Rose and the late Tim Russert.
And call me crazy, but I really enjoyed James Lipton’s interviews on Bravo’s “Inside the Actor’s Studio” as well.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 15, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diane Rehm
interviewed James Lipton once. It was engaging. They were both quite delighted.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 15, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that show is awesome
And her voice problem, and the consequent slow pace of her speech, really seems to help her keep control of the direction and pace of the interview (that and the fact that she’s just a really good interviewer).
The DR Show Friday news roundups are two of the best hours on NPR each week.
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 15, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great moments in radio
Ending goes something like:
Her: “I’d like to think that this sexist, self-centered, etc., etc narcissistic presentation is really just a facade kept up to help cultivate a persona that’s needed to maintain the rock star image, and that underneath it all, you’re a thoughtful, compassionate, etc person.”
Him: “And I’d like to think that underneath the prim, sexless, superior image you present, there’s actually an interesting person that one would enjoy talking to at a party….”
I’m shooting from the hip there, but you get the point. I always disliked BOTH of them, but that whole interview was like a great catfight from which no winners can emerge.
by siddfynch on Jul 16, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She severly overestimated Gene Simmons then.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally disagree with that...
I honestly think that Gene Simmons is probably one of the least respected marketing geniuses since the inception of Madison Avenue. Considering that I’ve seen 3rd grade kids cover KISS songs note-for-note, it’s incredible how much money was made by a band with a 3rd grader’s musical talent.
In terms of entertainment marketing of a particular product I think he’s second only to Vince McMahon in his lifetime.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 16, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt.
But he’s an asshole.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 16, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so am i, but you know what's the difference between him & I?
he’s a fucking rich asshole, while i live in my mom’s basement.
the dude can flat out get people to empty their pockets.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 16, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a snob, too.
Just embrace it.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 15, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1776, RB.
We won. Get over it already. On this side of the pond we write down our Constitution. Go write for Cricket Prospectus or something if you don’t like America.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
he's Adam Dunn?
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, that
AND osama bin laden.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 15, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lord, if only there were a Cricket Prospectus...
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is called Wisden.
And predates professional baseball.
by notmorganfreeman on Jul 15, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GO PUSH THE PRAM IN THE LIFT AND GO DOWN TO THE LORRY, LIMEY BASTARD!
GIVE US A FIVER FOR SOME FAGS! I’M SKINT! I DON’T KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shat on a turtle!
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 15, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think i recall him
saying that he just decided to start doing it in school and has, obviously, stuck with it ever since.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 15, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he can obviously answer that better later,
but he doesn’t seem to be around right now.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 15, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tried spelling like that in high school a while ago.
I read an old verson of The Lord of the Rings that was published in Britian, and I thought it was cool. My composition teacher gave me a C on two papers because she said I had to many misspellings.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jul 15, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
Just picked it up around sixth grade, maybe junior high school, reading lots of Brit authors, and it’s stuck with me.
I had a creative writing teacher in high school who used to refuse to accept my papers until I changed all the c words to s, ie offence and the like, so I actually taught myself not to do that, but strangely enough, she had no problem with all the extraneous u’s and the like, so there they are.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's face it
St. Louis has
1. Great food
2. Forest Park
3. Albert Pujols
When that’s all you’ve got, you can’t really afford to lose any one of those things. The great food and Forest Park are safe, let’s hope Albert as a Cardinal is too. Sometimes I do feel a twinge of guilt though, almost as if we’re holding Albert back from becoming the true colossal mythic figure he’s meant to be. I think the BoSox will be a viable suitor if Albert becomes a FA, and as much as i hate to say it, can you imagine what he would accomplish there (assuming he stays healthy), in that ballpark and with the supporting cast they will surround him with. The Red Sox would dominate the AL for years, they’d be damn near untouchable. And still, another part of me thinks that maybe Albert is not meant for that — that he’s meant to build a different kind of legacy right here in STL. He says he is content here, and so I’ll believe it, and just continue to hope that what Albert wants and what St. Louis fans want coincide in the end.
by mattyp on Jul 15, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You forgot the Casino Queen
Home of the Loosest Slots!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The should pay you!
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 15, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh
we don’t even have that — technically its in Illinois. We have President’s Casino by the Arch, home of the most infirm dealers and problemiest problem gamblers!
by mattyp on Jul 15, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Lumiere Place in St. Louis?
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 15, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I ask...
because I had heard that it was a fairly nice casino.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jul 15, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
but I assumed we were talking riverboat a gamblin. Yeah, Lumiere is pretty nice but I actually don’t like it. I rarely gamble but when I do I go to Harrah’s (near the Missouri River in St. Louis County) and that’s actually a lot of fun. Casino Queen actually isn’t bad either — President’s definitely is though.
by mattyp on Jul 15, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some big river with a metal half oval next to it too
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Jul 15, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Good Lord, please not the Red Sox!
Just for the pure fact that my fiance is a monster RSox fan and the neverending BS that would follow from that deal would be almost more than I could take
by cardfanndeboonies on Jul 15, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not as bitter as some
I think the baseball world got a very good taste about what it means to play in StL
adoring fans, respect for tradition, recognition for good play for home or visitor, booed the Cub, etc.
by Scarecrow7775 on Jul 15, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ichiro visits Sisler's grave
This is very cool:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4329684
"The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness." - Annie Savoy
by redbirdbluedevil on Jul 15, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
indeed cool
props to him for giving props
Quite frankly, east Asians have a better appriciation for what came before them than Americans do. What we dispose- they honor.
by Scarecrow7775 on Jul 15, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ichiro's quotes are awesome
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to do that for a grand upperclassman of the baseball world
well that just adds a little bit more to the list of reasons why I love Ichiro.
The part about the jeans cracked me up
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jul 15, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The jeans part was my favorite
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Japanese people do love their jeans.
Of course, their jeans are all made on our looms, but that’s another subject entirely.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damnit!
Fucking italics button!
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ichiro is probably my favorite non-Cardinal
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 15, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/sb20080525a2.html
(which was followed by http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/24/task-for-the-ussm-readership/ )
by astrostl on Jul 15, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish Ichiro played in St. Louis
He is ridiculous on a Pujols level. He is the complete hitter. He can hit for power (if need be), bunt for a hit, hit an infield single right at the SS or drive the ball in a gap. He can steal a base, play plus defense and gun a guy out from the parking lot.
I hope he gets 3,000 in MLB. He does that, coupled with what he did in Japan, and he’ll be one of the 10 best players all-time.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't tell you how normal this for an Asian
I don’t want to get into stereotypes here, but the fact is that in east Asian culture, history isn’t something that needs to be dusted off the shelves- they live a world of ghosts- it’s always present,
Particularly for the Japanese… for Ichiro to visit Sisler’s tomb- it would be surreal for Westerners, but for him it would be continuity of honor.
He paid respect to his elder. It don’t get more Asian than that.
In other words, it’s a big deal for us Westerners to see that Ichiro would viist Sisler’s tomb, because we never would if we were in a similar situation.
For him, it makes perfectly good sense.
by Scarecrow7775 on Jul 15, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In many Eastern religions
the dead live with the living. Not only must you respect the opinions of your elders who live with you but those that came before you and follow you throughout your daily life.
Pretty cool.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes dinners with guests awkward though
by mysterui on Jul 15, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially if great-great-great grandaddy
Quo didn’t like duck.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's no question about that
they live in a very different world than we do.
I’ve lived in China for the past 4 years, and I can only begin to grasp the depths of what is means in reality
by Scarecrow7775 on Jul 15, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now imagine what you're saying multiplied
by how many people you know, wwho they know, and who everyone they know.
Ichiro’s visit to Sisler’s tomb, while we may think it’s cool, simply cannot be interpreted by Western standards.
I’m guessing it was a very poignant moment for him.
by Scarecrow7775 on Jul 15, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know Ichiro's beliefs, but
I’m sure he’s thinking that a visit to Sisler’s tomb will get him some hits. Asian culture is what we’d consider to be very superstitious.
by Scarecrow7775 on Jul 15, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, RB
for keeping up with the playlist stuff. I always check them out and usually end up downloading some if not all of them.
by mattyp on Jul 15, 2009 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As far as Johnny Cash dark songs go. . .
Delia’s Gone is particularly dark.
“The first time I shot her, I shot her in the side. . . "
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 15, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Delia.
Love that song. I’ve always thought the very darkest songs Cash ever did were either “The Mercy Seat”, his cover of a Nick Cave song, or the version of “Banks of the Ohio” from the Unearthed boxed set.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may not be as dark as these other songs
but they that he did Hurt on his last album was haunting, at least to me. The Man in Black did dark as well, if not better, than anybody.
by cardfanndeboonies on Jul 15, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It should be "the way he did Hurt"
by cardfanndeboonies on Jul 15, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loved that cover of Hurt...
You talking about it made me think about it so I quickly found the video on YouTube.Man, that is a strong vid to accompany a strong song.
by goodymobb on Jul 15, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trent Reznor hasn't listened to the NIN version of that song since he first heard Cash's version
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 15, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a number of really good, dark songs on the "American" records
I See A Darkness, Mercy Seat, Hurt,…. Also some awesome religious/gospel songs like The Man Comes Around, Down There By The Train (Tom Waits cover – woohoo!!), hell, even his cover of Personal Jesus is an inspired choice and really well done. I don’t know how much of the song selection and production was his and how much was Rick Rubin’s, but between the two of them they put together the best work of Cash’s life in the ~10 years before he died.
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 15, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Just to watch him die"
Pretty dark for a snow cone stand; I like it.
And that Nirvana Unplugged album has got to be one of the best live albums of all time. Their version of that song is awesome, and it can’t be an easy task to make a Leadbelly song relevant to a 90’s audience.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
on the Nirvana Unplugged album. That thing never gets old. I love when my Pandora stations toss up something from there.
by goodymobb on Jul 15, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I would put
Unplugged in New York as not only easily Nirvana’s best record, but probably one of the ten best recordings I’ve ever heard. Every single song on that record is the best version of itself. Just think about that. All the Nirvana songs, the live versions were better than the studio. All the covers were better than the originals. Even the Vaselines’ “Jesus Wants Me For a Sunbeam” isn’t as good as the Nirvana version, and I love love love me some Vaselines. Ditto the Bowie cover, and the Meat Puppets songs. And as for the Leadbelly version of “Where…” (which is actually called something else, but I don’t feel like walking into my living room to look at the album), it actually doesn’t hold a candle to the version on Unplugged.
(Note: there is actually one song that doesn’t entirely fit this criteria. “Pennyroyal Tea” is just better noisy and distorted. Nonetheless, the version of it on Unplugged is one of only about three recordings in existence of Cobain playing completely alone, so I think it still works.)
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is an interesting and bold statement....
Every single song on that record is the best version of itself.
I like some of the stuff from the With the Lights Out 3 disk boxed set, but I guess you’re right….I’d be hard pressed to point to a song that sounds better on that (or any of their other albums) than it does on Unplugged. Man, now I’m gonna have to turn that badboy on as I grade exams tonight.
by goodymobb on Jul 15, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And as for the Leadbelly version of "Where…" (which is actually called something else, but I don’t feel like walking into my living room to look at the album), it actually doesn’t hold a candle to the version on Unplugged.
That would be “Where Did You Sleep Last Night”, and it is a perfect finish to that album, especially the climax of the song where he’s essentially screaming the words out and drowning out the entire rest of the band. Instead of playing louder to make themselves heard, they just stay in the background and let the man do his thing.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 15, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pardon?
No, I meant Leadbelly’s version was called something else.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
‘in the pines, in the pines, where the sun never shines….’
by cdb on Jul 15, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The original version by Leadbelly
is called “Black Girl”. Finally had to go grab the album and find out.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
black girl
black girl, don’t lie to me, tell me where did you sleep last night…..
by cdb on Jul 15, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I would quibble with you on the Meat Puppet’s song “Oh Me” as far as the best version of that song, but I’m a huge Meat Puppets fan and that’s one of my favorite songs of theres. They also have a new album out in case you’re interested.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 15, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that.
is it any good? I’ve always liked the Meat Puppets pretty well, and “Oh Me” is probably the closest version to violating my above edict.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's actually pretty good if you're a fan
Most people have only heard about them through the Nirvana covers and expect everything to sound like “Lake of Fire”, which they clearly don’t. Considering that Curt and Cris didn’t speak for nearly 5 years and they have a new drummer, the band itself really sounds well put together and fluid. The title track “Sewn Together” and “I’m Not You” are the songs I dig the most.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 15, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool.
It’s funny, but the second anyone mentions the term 90s music, the song that immediately pops into my head is “Backwater”. That’s just the song that sounds like being fourteen to me.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah
Totally agree.
The funny thing to me is that I’ll hear that come on the radio and comment about how great the Meat Puppets are and inevitably someone will say “That’s not a Meat Puppets song!”. Which is why I love having internet on my cell phone — makes proving people wrong on trivia much, much easier.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 15, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why I love having internet on my cell phone — makes proving people wrong on trivia much, much easier.
This — THIS — is the whole reason the defense department created the internet.
That and porn.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
go intertubez
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fixed!
This — THIS — is the whole reason the defense department Al Gore created the internet.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 15, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should have called it
GORENET!
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 15, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great song
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer the electric versions myself
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For your playlist
you could include the appalling Keb’ Mo version of Folsom Prison Blues, in which the song’s most famous line becomes:
“They say I shot a man in Reno, but that was just a lie.”
I kid you not.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 15, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a musical "Greedo shot first."
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the ten worst covers ever.
And just for the record, I don’t say that lightly, without thought. I actually have made lists in my head of pretty much all these things.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't say that without providing the list
Pretty please
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jul 15, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the real question is "are they gloriously bad?" a la william shatner
or just excrementally bad a la T.A.T.U. covering the Smiths?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She packed my bags
Last night
pre flight
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 15, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for making my day better
The youtube description: “Russian lesbians can apparently pull of dark moody new wave quite well.” You know what Al, you’re right they really can.
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jul 15, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please. "Quasi-lesbians."
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What planet are they from?
Quasbia?
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 15, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Island of Quasbos.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 15, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know
Quasbianism was actually quite accepted in ancient civilizations
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you may know the famous poet Quappho.
in fact, a Quasbian.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell you what.
I’ll put it in next week’s post.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 16, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post RB.....
your quote says it all for me regarding the Machine
The Cardinal jersey is what matters to me; I’m a fan of the team, not Albert Pujols. Actually, let me rephrase that: I’m a fan of Albert Pujols because he’s a Cardinal; not a fan of the Cardinals because they have Albert Pujols.
Glad he’s a Cardinal. Will be sadden if he leaves, but it will happen someday by retirement, FA or the dreaded career ender…. but a Cardinals fan I’ll always be.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jul 15, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Albert leaves...
I’ll always root for the Cardinals; it’s in my blood — but how Albert’s contract talks play out will greatly affect the fervency of my attachment.
As fans, what we can reasonably expect of ownership is that they offer him a contract making Albert, if not the highest-salaried player, than at least in the top 3. (say 6-8 years/$25 million per.) This is not a fellow on the verge of decline — given his age, skill set, and work ethic, we are not looking at a Barry-Zito-caliber contract disaster here, as long as avoids a major injury.
If Albert gets an offer in that range and still decides to walk b/c Boston or someone else decides to offer him $30+ million a year, I wouldn’t hold it against the club. I’d give them credit for doing all they reasonably could.
Red Baron asks if some of us would, in that case, “Accept that there was really no way to build a competitive team around the financial demands of such a contract?” Let’s assume that’s the reality for a mid-market club like ours. i.e., you can choose either (1) Albert finishes his career in Cardinal red, breaking all sorts of records along the way, but b/c of his contract, the team can only manage to be moderately competitive and never really sniffs another title during his career; or (2) Albert walks for a ridiculous deal elsewhere (either for the money or b/c he doesn’t believe he can win another ring in STL), and the organization uses the newfound resources (yeah right!) to build a team that consistently contends for titles. Which do you choose?
by DCRedbird on Jul 15, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what worries me
Boston.
Lowell is gone. Youkiliswhatever moves to 3rd. They blow their wad on Pujols.
The Yankees have Texeira signed through 2016, but it seems to me last time I mentioned that Hardcore came up with some scenario that worried me.
by sdrone on Jul 15, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have that DH thing (spits on the ground) in the AL as well.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 15, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tex and pujols splitting 1b and DH was a possibility
the yanks would be in on the discussions — they might be more likely to spend money elsewhere, but they’d definitely test the waters.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've said it before, I'll say it again.
We’re headed for years of inflation, the kind that hurts, 1970’s-style inflation. Give AP a big contract right now and watch its relative impact on the bottom line shrink and shrink.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 15, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WE'RE GETTIN HALLADAY
strauss says we are wiling to give up an arm and a leg but not whole body
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 15, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wait, what?
we’re getting halladay? don’t do that to me man, i just checked mlbtr and was disappointed.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 15, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but we're giving up an arm and a leg
that has to be enough to make riccardi pull the trigger, right?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 15, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, never mind.
i see the story now. here it is, for the others.
NOTE: we’ve not traded for him, but we are prepared to make a “strong offer.”
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 15, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That note about all the
former Jays starters we’ve employed is just a ridiculous argument; I hope that writer doesn’t think that’s a serious indication of anything.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 15, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking about it
what is the Cardinals philosophy for next season?
If it is to sign Matt Holliday, I say go ahead and give up Daryl Jones in a Halladay deal.
We’d have to take on $20 M+ for Albert starting in 2011, $15 M for Carpenter, $12 M for Lohse, $5 M for Yadi, $7 M for Wainwright and THEN $16 M+ for Halladay, $15 M+ for Holliday. That’d be a payroll in 2011 of $90 M for a 1B, C, LF and 4 Starters.
No way DeWitt spends that kind of cash.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you really think the cards are in the holliday sweepstakes?
for now or for in the offseason
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 15, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the off-season
I think they will be. They coveted the guy pretty hard and if they can please both schools of thought in the franchise (player development and impact players) by signing him as a FA, then that’s what they’ll do.
They don’t need the draft pick next year, necessarily because they can just devote more money to international signings. If Miller doesn’t sign, they’ll get a 1st round pick that is protected anyways.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miller will sign and win 12 cy youngs
not sure why you would even bring that up
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 15, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see them being in the sweepstakes
simply because of the $$$ that are likely to be involved. You have to think someone is throwing a 5Y$70M offer out there and I don’t see the Cardinal ownership wanting to match that for Holliday.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 15, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd give him 5/70 in a heartbeat.
the end of every half inning IS a turning point. -Evilfrog
by SleepyCA on Jul 16, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's $14M a year
for a guy who’s been worth more than 5 WAR twice in his career, while playing half his games at Coors Field. That’s probably where the bidding is going to start as well, so I would expect him to sign for much more than that, the economy be damned.
If he signs for less that 5Y$85M I’ll be very surprised.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 16, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5/85 is probably too much
Actually 5/70 is top end, but he’d almost certainly earn that. He’s been worth $8.5M so far THIS year, a year in which he’s “lost all his market value”.
A lineup of Skip/Holliday/Albert/Luddy/Rasmus just sounds like too much fun to turn down…
the end of every half inning IS a turning point. -Evilfrog
by SleepyCA on Jul 16, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote
That either Halladay or Holliday change their names. They should have an at-bat for it.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe he gets payed to report stuff like that
“An arm and a leg”….“But not the whole body.” Thanks Joe, very informative. Keep up the mind-bogglingly vague updates
by mattyp on Jul 15, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn it! I'm a doctor, not a journalist!
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I'll rec it too.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea that was the point of my comment
its just a waste of ink…or internet ink…kilobytes?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 15, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah.
haha. whose arm and whose leg, i wonder? that’s gotta be the difference between a good trade and a laughing riccardi.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 15, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wallace's arms with jones' legs would make a hell of a ballplayer
30-30 potential
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 15, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if you want to get technical...
legs have more to do with power hitting than arms. So if you want the power of Wallace, you’d want to keep his legs.
Not to nitpick or anything… : )
THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!
by stltrav09 on Jul 15, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i know
just trying to make the joke work
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 15, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
question: Who's your dream zombie Cardinal?
Well, technically it’s more of a Frankenstein, but I prefer chemicals + magic.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mcgwire?
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 15, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know...
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it really is.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 15, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dangit,
didn’t mean to hit post yet. he’d look funny as a zombie, goes my thinking.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 15, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take his arms, but those would violate PED policy by themselves
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his arms on eckstein's body.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 15, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha
chemicals
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 15, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can we give up Franklin's arm
and Thurston’s leg? cuz they both suck
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jul 15, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade value?
Is that worth Zambrano’s finger?
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would the Jays want with a leg?
I get why they want a pitcher (arm), buy why in the world would they want a punter (leg)?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jul 15, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now we have to figure out how to get
darin erstad.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 15, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ba da Bing!!
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jul 15, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Albert leaves....
I will be devastated. I think it will be because it’s ultimately his choice, and I would be sort of betrayed by him, since I expect him to stay his whole career. that is, unless the Cards make him a really bad offer which I totally don’t expect them to do. I think it will be competitive but will ask for a slight discount, which Albert will be ok with I think.
silver lining if he leaves (and this guy doesn’t get traded): put Brett Wallace at 1B
as for the Perez trade, it’s easy to diss it right now since Derosa got hurt right away. But we don’t really have any guarantee that Perez will overcome his control issues and/or be an amazing closer or set up man. good chance it could happen though I guess, but he sure doesn’t look like it now.
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and, of course
I will always be a Cardinal fan, Albert or no
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Perez has sucked something HORRIBLY for Cleveland
by mysterui on Jul 15, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
franklin's sucked for us as well.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 15, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is the worst
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 16, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cards interested in Yunel Escobar according to MLBTR
Put him at SS, move Boog to 2B and Skip to LF
OR
Put him at 3B, Derosa goes to 2B when he becomes healthy, Skip to LF.
The question is, what are the Braves looking for in return? They certainly aren’t sellers so I assume they want talent that will improve their current MLB roster.
THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!
by stltrav09 on Jul 15, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We are all over the place
I like Yunel, if nothing else because he can jump over his bat.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this wouldn't make much sense to me
Brendan Ryan is best at SS imo
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Jays are looking for a SS
It all makes sense now!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 15, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey wait a sec
That kinda makes sense.
by mojowo11 on Jul 15, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah
hmmmmm
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are they still looking for OFs?
Jay, Craig, Henley, etc
by mysterui on Jul 15, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one word jumps into my head:
why?
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by ilrosso on Jul 15, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Yunel
He was a 3.2 win player last year and is on pace for something like that again this year. Okay glove, above-average bat. He’d be a good leadoff option, actually.
by mojowo11 on Jul 15, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If escobar is on offer, the red sox will get him. They clearly need one and an SS of that caliber
is not going to come up often. the sox have the prospects to get him. if he’s available, they’ll overpay. that’s where he’ll go.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they were happy with their rookie?
but I haven’t looked at that situation in a while.
by sdrone on Jul 15, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question is, what are the Braves looking for in return?
The moon and stars, and that’s just to start with.
How is he even on the damn trading block? He’s probably top 5 in the league at his position and cost controlled.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 15, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pissed off bobby cox. full on scott rolen pissed.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby won't be there to see his FA filing in 3 years
so it seems stupid to trade him just to satisfy Cox.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 15, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like this:
“The Cardinals are interested in Escobar, but they wouldn’t trade Ryan Ludwick.”
Tough call, though.
the end of every half inning IS a turning point. -Evilfrog
by SleepyCA on Jul 16, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it'll only make me upset if...
Like others have said, I’m not going to stop being a Cards fan (born and raised) if Pujols walks, but if the effort shown by the ownership isn’t enough to put the blame squarely on Pujols for going elsewhere (and you know if it gets to a FA situation the Yankees will put a big enough contract out there to be truly tempting) then I’m not sure how I’ll feel.
It’s kinda like I’ve since moved to CA from growing up for the past 30 years in Redbird Country, and there’s a lot to like about the Bay Area teams. SF is on the upswing and Oakland is fun to root for as the underdog while they’re still here. I’ve seen what happens in Oakland if the ownership proves to the fans they don’t care about the players on the team and the fans that love the players… I could easily see St. Louis go that same route in a few years if they lose Pujols and refuse to sign long term deals or re-sign any of the kids on the roster right now.
Sometimes it’s not about money, it’s about keeping around guys you can buy a jersey with their name on it, and not wonder if that guy’s gonna be there in 2 years. Oakland squandered that trust between fan and owner, and now they’re lucky to clock 15k on a Sunday Afternoon when anyone can get into the game for 5 bucks and a can of pepsi. Would Cards fans start feeling apathetic if Pujols walks and the biggest star on the ‘12 Cardinals is Rasmus? It’s a scary prospect.
by MasterDave on Jul 15, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gibby says he "probably" would have done steroids...?
Did anyone else hear this interview on ESPN radio, where Gibby apparently said about roids that he would probably have been inclined to “just try this and see what it does to me”?
I don’t have time to listen to it right now so I don’t know anything about the question, context, or any additional elaboration. But I’m quite curious to listen to it….
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 15, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
there’s always been performance enhancers in sports.
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has said that for a long time
I know I saw an interview on FSN during the 07 offseason in which he said he would have probably done them.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jul 15, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, did it this off-season too
in an mlb.tv interview. nice to see an honest man.
Of course, steroids were readily available in 1967. Totally legal, even officially sanctioned by the FDA. And the 60’s were all about experimentation.
the end of every half inning IS a turning point. -Evilfrog
by SleepyCA on Jul 16, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh, not mlb.tv
mlb channel.
the end of every half inning IS a turning point. -Evilfrog
by SleepyCA on Jul 16, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I saw it on espn2
He was basically saying if the whole field was doing it, and you needed it to compete in the field, he’d have done it.
But he also said the first guy who introduced steroids needed a beatdown.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gibby kicking Jose Canseco's a$$
I would pay good money to see that.
by siddfynch on Jul 16, 2009 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
big deal, i would have to
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 16, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
playlist
Rush discography (I’m a huge dork)
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Regarding Albert's pending decision and my response to it
For me, my response will depend on how the outcome comes about. (Pardon my using examples from the NHL…) If it is like Chris Pronger’s departure, sent out of town earlier than necessary for an inferior product to be brought in, then much derision will I have on the organization. As I did with the Blues, I will take a year or so hiatus from watching because I will have no desire to see the games. If it is more of a Brett Hull departure in which he is granted free agency because the team needs to go in a different direction to stay competitive, then I will fully support it as I do now.
by stlfan on Jul 15, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
me too, heh
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Death Letter -- did you like the White Stripes rendition of the song?
They monkeyed with the lyrics a bit, but I liked their version. I think it has a Hamlet reference in it now.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Almost included a note about it,
but decided against it in the end. Love it. In fact, likely my favourite White Stripes song, and one of the four or five best covers I’ve ever heard. (Interesting note: the White Stripes are the only band to appear twice on my list of ten best covers, for Death Letter Blues and their version of Dolly Parton’s “Jolene”.) Actually a whole lot better than the Son House version, but there’s something wonderfully dark about the tone of the original. The harshness of the steel guitar plus one of the most ravaged voices in music history, just wow.
Oh, and if you needed more proof that I am, in fact, an appalling snob, De Stijl is my favourite White Stripes record.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like their covers a lot - "Jolene" highest among them.
some of their b-side covers are great: the captain beefheart “Party of Special Things to Do” is pretty cool. I like the “Lafayette Blues” cover and the “St. James Infirmary” cover too.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The St. James one I'm not actually all that keen on.
The others are all great, but to me, St. James is a bit too fast. Really, though, the only version I like of that song is the Louis Armstrong version, which is by far the slowest and most melancholy.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, we can't all be satchmo.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 15, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops.
Let me clarify that. There are several Armstrong versions, of wildly differing tempoes and moods, but the one I mean is the version from the “Ain’t Gonna Give Nobody None of My Jelly Roll” record. I’m honestly not sure if that particular record has ever been transferred to a digital medium or not; I’ve got a copy from the second vinyl pressing in ’64. Probably my third most treasured musical possession.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 15, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you familiar with the
Alt.binaries.sounds.mp3 news groups. There are at least 50 good ones. All the major collectors hang there. Find a good server, Giga news is big, get a news reader, and you will find almost everything, including bootlegs and the most rare transfers from final. enjoy.
by OperaCard on Jul 15, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I am not.
However, anything beginning with alt. takes me immediately back to about 1993, and that can’t be a bad thing. I’ll check it out.
And you have my thanks.
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jul 16, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've said this before here, I'll say it again
We need to start contract negotiations with Albert ASAP. If we can’t reach an agreement, don’t just let him walk into free agency. We could trade him for so much, but if we let him walk, it’s just 2 first-round picks.
I hope the day when Albert wears another team’s uniform never comes, but the team has to be smart about it if they can’t match his salary requirements.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 15, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
supposedly they're
ramping up negotiations this winter. We’ll see what happens. I agree though: I think IF it is clear we won’t extend him, I’d rather get known commodities AND high ceiling prospects for him instead of rolling the dice with the draft choices.
Or maybe they will make a rule if such a thing happened: They could call it the Pujols Exemption and force not only the team signing him to forfeit high picks, but also the Cards would get to select any other 3 draft choices.
by goodymobb on Jul 15, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a wonderful,
emotional thread started by you baron. You are a true romantic, and I know that is not an easy road to travel. You must learn to take sanctuary in your melancholy, or risk in the end the dreaded,“Embittered Romanticism” of many of the musicians you list. They tried drugs to slow the Bi-polar Express. Your love of life can save you. If you want Albert to stay, give up your fears and see clearly. There are ways.
by OperaCard on Jul 15, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh man...
I love it when Opera drops some knowledge.
Strap on a helmet, VEBers, to protect your brains and such after your heads explode.
by goodymobb on Jul 15, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's not knowledge, that's disinformation
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I read that "Embittered Romanticism" is 1.2% higher among bloggers
than the regular population.
by sdrone on Jul 15, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'Psychic Maps' by Dysrhythmia is highly recommended.
I think it is subconsciously teaching me how to do calculus
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 15, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what do you do when you have an anxiety disorder and they want you to do a parade...
Poor Zack.
“That’s the only thing I want to avoid,‘’ the Kansas City pitcher said Monday. "The red carpet sounds like the most miserable time of my life.’’
"The Royals stuck with me. I’m surprised they did. I probably tried to get traded a couple of times back in the day, but they decided to keep me anyway,‘’ Greinke said, adding that he’s happy about that. “I really like it there.‘’
[…]
Turns out, the red-carpet parade on Tuesday wasn’t so bad, either. Greinke rode in a truck with his fiancee and said he actually enjoyed the experience.
”It was definitely way better than I thought,‘’ he said. "I thought it was going to be longer. The weather wasn’t bad. There were a lot of fans yelling, but it was all positive stuff. I had Emily there to talk to, so it wasn’t that bad.’’
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SI wire
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get zonked out on pills?
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 15, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably not a good idea the day of the game
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but if he just thought he had gone fishing or something
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jul 15, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT- Wednesday night's Baseball Tonight
At nearly the halfway point (about 22 minutes in), just before they do their NL Midseason Awards, they show a highlight package of all of Albert’s 32 HRs from the first half.
Interesting observation is that only about 2 of Albert’s HRs went anywhere besides LF. So far this season, he’s basically a dead-pull hitter when it comes to his big power.
If anyone’s interested, here are some tidbits from their NL Midseason Awards:
- Albert is the unanimous MVP (duh).
- Colby is the unanimous.
- Some dude from ARZ was a midway Cy Young pick.
- Mets (Eduardo’s choice) and Cubs (Singleton’s choice) are the NL’s two most disappointing teams.
by goodymobb on Jul 15, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow, Webb can get the Cy Young pick while only throwing 4 innings all year!
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jul 15, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's talent
[……weep]
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 15, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you mean Doug Davis
I knew we should have traded for him.
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jul 15, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched that too
Cardinal fanatic since '82
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 16, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jess Todd
pitching in the AAA All-Star game on ESPN2
…if anybody’s still here
by Jhusk on Jul 16, 2009 12:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just came from the game
PCL almost had a dramatic comeback. I was standing the in the isles ready to bolt when German hit that 2 run dinger into the bullpen. Todd looked pretty good.
by cloistermaximus on Jul 16, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Albert leaves, i'll be pissed
i’ll never forgive him or DeWitt. but much like everyone, i’m a Cardinals fan, not a players fan. it will probably take years, but i hope i’ll be able to get over the loss of Albert. it will be hard, but i hope i can do it. and if El Douchey himself one day showed up at Busch wearing the BOB’s, i’d become a fan. not because of him, but because of what jersery he’s wearing. i wouldn’t like it, but i’d be a fan. it’s just how i roll.
and i forgot to thank you last week Red for introducing me to the Broken Records. that’s one hell of a band. you’ve got great taste in music, even if you are a gigantic snob.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 16, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ITS FOLSOM PRISON BLUES!!!
not ‘fulsom’
F-O-L-S-O-M!!!
c’mon man!
aside from that – love your writing
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by dylaninthewall on Jul 16, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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