Futures Game Open Thread
by chuckb on Jul 12, 2009 12:01 PM EDT
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PrintBrett Wallace bats 3rd and plays 3rd for the U.S. team today. Daryl Jones is also on the team, though not in the starting lineup. They're unquestionably our 2 best prospects and are both players who could end up being All-Stars for the Cards within 3-4 years. Hell, Wallace is likely to be the team's starting third baseman next year, if Tony will allow it. It wouldn't surprise me if Jones is up w/ the big club at some point next year as well. God knows we could use a left fielder. Game is on ESPN2 at 1 pm. I think I'll have to flip back and forth between this game and the Cards-Cubs clash.
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"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
anyone know if mlb will let them replay this?
I’m guessing not. I don’t see any mlb games available under replay. I was considering just watching later, but…
Looking forward to seeing Drabek
I saw him pitch when he was 15 and he had Cy Young written all over him.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
Stupid rain delay!
Also, I was out of the room on Wallace’s play.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
Raining hard at Busch
Rain at the Stadium – via tweet from John Marecek
....my quick smells like french toast...
Azru and Fritz are must be bummed.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
Ummm
yes.
The field looked awful when we left. Standing water on the track. Just soaking wet. I hope they don’t let Daryl Jones play in this as it’s perfect for tweaking knees.
At least the tourists are seeing real STL weather.
(And the play by Wallace to his left was ok — he only had to jump about 6 inches though.)
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ha
everyone else was saying it was a really nice play
has he slimmed down as much as advertised?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Fritz and I didn't notice it
He’s built big through the hips and quads/hammys but he looked about the same to me as he always has.
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He looks smaller on camera, compared to ST.
But the dude is huge.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
Slimmer Walrus?
I thought Wallace looked slimmer (and that he moved reasonably well).
His thighs are still big, but not out of proportion. Part of the thing is that he likes his pants cut loose in the thighs and tighter at the ankles (ala relaxed or even loose fit jeans). He may also have a longer torso (ala a swimmer like Michael Phelps).
Unfortunately, I was there in person (3B loge) but saw all of 1/2 inning of the game. My 9YO couldn’t stand the rain delay once the Cards/Cubs game was over.
It would have been more fun
if I wasn’t protesting beer at the stadium this year.
Although the rain did provided for what was Azru’s probable highlight of the day: A girl biting it on the concrete behind us. Hard.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
I'm guessing her entire right hip is one giant bruise this morning.
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Wallace looked pretty good to his left.
I hope the rain delay clears up soon. I’m looking forward to getting a chance to see these guys.
any
news on when this game should get going?
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
by OKCardsfan on Jul 12, 2009 3:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
radar still doesn't look promising for a bit.
i’m hearing its a fast moving storm though…
....my quick smells like french toast...
no time frame
but they said the storm is moving through quickly and expect to play the full nine
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
That is a canned message
they’ve been playing 5 times now during commercial breaks.
I bet they cancel the game.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 12, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
They might.
But the chance of precipitation really drops around 4:30pm.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
damn youre right it is a recorded message
i hope theyre able to play…
....my quick smells like french toast...
Yes, it's canned.
That, or that blond girl really has nothing better to do then keep walking down the stairs. I’m in O’Fallon, MO, and the rain has finally quit out here. I would guess they would be able to get started around 4:30 – 5:00.
what's it look like in stl?
anyone near busch?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
from twitter
dgooldRT @BaseballAmerica Game restart in one hour, approx. 4:30 CT. #stlallstar 7 minutes ago from web
woot
go walrus!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
It looks like we might be getting back underway here soon.
They’ve at least restarted the broadcast.
I might regret it...
… but I was at the game and left. After two hours of downpour, my couch sounded too good.
I'm right there with you.
Wasn’t worth it after watching the radar for a few hours. After the Cubs game got over, we were just watching greens, reds and yellows.
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I was pretty excited to see Walrus and D. Jones play...
…but just couldn’t stick it out. That storm was pretty impressive though.
Did you see the tents getting blown around
in ballpark village lake dewitt the softball field media area.
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Ha...
…yeah; looked a mess over there. You notice all of the LF wall HOFers being covered up by ads? I wonder if that’s a Cardinals’ decision or MLB decision?
Fritz picked up on that right away.
Because there’s not enough advertising at Busch of course.
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Looked Trashy
Will they be up for the big game or did this just go along with the minor league concept?
Since Taco bell is sponsoring the Derby
I hope it’s only up Monday night.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
@busch
here’s the press release
rumor going around that the stadium that the game may be shortened to seven innings, but mlb will get it in (the softball game, too). just too many sponsors not to, i guess.
after the cubs/cards it’s the 08 all-star game on the stadium televisions.
this just in—three US futures are throwing a disc around the outfield grass. crowd is entertained.
Whoever is saying that doesn't understand STL storms.
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Of course after my first glance at the radar
I think I said it was a 20min storm. 2+ hours later. . .
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I have to go out in about 20 minutes
And will be gone for 2 hours. Are they going to get this started anytime soon?
I’m pissed this will overlap with the Cards game on ESPN. My DVR is near full already.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 12, 2009 5:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I saw a tweet from BA that was saying
5:30 or 6pm.
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CST?
Smoke coming from ears!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 12, 2009 5:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Either we have a new canned message
Or that prospect really had a bodacious hangnail to be working on for an hour.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 12, 2009 5:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
7-inning game to start at 5:30 CT. No inning will start later than 7:30 pm CT.
via Leach tweet
....my quick smells like french toast...
Is it going to be televised when it comes back on?
ESPN2? ESPNEWS? MLB Network?
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
espn2
man, josh hamilton hr derby. so epic
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Anyone know if the celebs/legends game will be televised?
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." ~Al Gallagher, 1971
go cards.
I believe that is pretaped
And shown after tomorrow HR derby.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 12, 2009 6:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wallace having a decent AB
Hes not tall, but hes already got some OMS
Dick and Dunk, the answer to your pitcher's problems...
not sure
old man strength came from VEB. . . heard it plenty of other places. . . just sayin
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Yeah I don't know where it came from...
but the Acronym OMS is used around here, and it is a term used around here quite frequently, therefore….shrugs
Dick and Dunk, the answer to your pitcher's problems...
Good AB from Wallace.
This pitcher looks pretty tough, and he fouled off some very good pitches to draw the BB.
wallace BB!
that announcer pissed me off when the announcers were talking like he was going to easily strike out wallace
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
How do these guys get chosen to play?
Also, is the World vs. US designation about their nationality?
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." ~Al Gallagher, 1971
go cards.
mlb picks the rosters
mlb gave each team a list of candidates and the team had a chance to say no to any player based on injury or whatever.
goold interviewed luhnow about it… video here
thanks!
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." ~Al Gallagher, 1971
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 12, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Annnnd...
Now I see the flags on the “world” players.
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." ~Al Gallagher, 1971
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 12, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Drag bunt, and stole 2nd & 3rd.
Gets driven home on a DP. Oquendo’s playing Whiteyball with a kid that looks like Coleman.
was going to say the same thing
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Yeah, one of more touted pitching prospects, oughta be interesting...
Dick and Dunk, the answer to your pitcher's problems...
HR USA
That has to feel great for that kid.
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." ~Al Gallagher, 1971
go cards.
Eric Young Jr.?
God, I hate his father with a passion…just because of his ‘act’ on BBTN
Dick and Dunk, the answer to your pitcher's problems...
samuel pitching to wallace this inning
cool
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Catcher looked a bit like yadi there!!
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." ~Al Gallagher, 1971
go cards.
Announcers need to be clued in
got both of the starter wrong for tonights game, that is unless Lou and Tony got together and decided a matchup of welly and Big Z would be better than the actual matchup.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Two BB's for Wallace
talk about not getting a chance to shine…
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and samuel
isn’t making much of his chance. . .
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Yeah, Samuel was kinda all over the place.
It’s a shame Wallace isn’t getting a real chance to put the bat on the ball.
Wallace doesn't look smaller to anyone else
does he?
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Like I said earlier, he's not real tall, but he'll hit...
Dick and Dunk, the answer to your pitcher's problems...
i think he looks a lot slimmer
than the videos i saw of him last year in college waddling down the line after a hit
he’s still got monster legs, but i don’t his size will be the reason he can’t play 3B if he can’t
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
the size in and of itself isn't a problem
the immobility at third is still an issue.
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To be clear
I don’t care how big Wallace gets. DGoold commented that he’d lost weight on Twitter. I don’t see a difference. It doesn’t change my opinion of his defense.
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Is he really that lacking in range?
I haven’t seen him play before now, so I’m just wondering if those who have seen him play think he really is missing the mobility to keep him from being an average 3B. Does his speed keep him from really being a corner OF option?
His lateral movement is a problem, imo.
And I’d be shocked at a conversion to the OF. I think they trade him before they try that.
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well,
i’ve seen him make one play at third, so i can’t really argue with you. he does look like he’s running faster, though, which is a defensive advantage
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Is Gilles about to cry?
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." ~Al Gallagher, 1971
go cards.
Looked like it
Great guy (or so it seemed from that interview)
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jul 12, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
As someone who hates human interests stories
I think I felt something where my heart is supposed to be.
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by azruavatar on Jul 12, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you still at the game?
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." ~Al Gallagher, 1971
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 12, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
I was there @ noon and stuck around until 3:30. Frankly, I’m glad I called it when I did. I’d have loved to see it but I have other things that have to get done beyond sitting under an overhang for 4 hours.
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Yea,
And now you can watch the cards-cubs game too!
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." ~Al Gallagher, 1971
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 12, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well we watched the end of the first one
cursing at Wellemeyer with the crowd at the television. There were a lot of expletives (not mine — though I had plenty) issued toward BRyan and CDunc from the crowd.
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Wellemeyer
I think he’s hiding an injury. Maybe his elbow is loosening up. He was crazy wild.
That degree of wildness isn’t just mechanical.
I still think it was a crafty move
by Duncan to not catch the ball.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
He definatly seems like a stand up guy
Excuse me, I have something in both of my eyes…
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." ~Al Gallagher, 1971
go cards.
by thecoolalonzo on Jul 12, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
okay
one more walrus and one dj plate appearance before 7
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I still hate watching infielders field the ball off to the side.
This matador style that they teach is maddening. It’s like they tell the infielder, “Don’t worry, it’s the pitcher’s fault that the guy hit it that hard. It won’t show up on your stat-line.”
I know, but ...
I was taught that you keep the ball in front of you. Even if that means taking one in the teeth occasionally. It just strikes me as selfish baseball.
I Teach My Kids To Square Up...
…on everything they can because that is the right way to play the game. They only go to the side when they absolutely have to.
Of course it’s harder to hammer that message home when they don’t see the pros doing it (and in the worst case they see pros going to the side on balls that they don’t even have to move on).
It’s pathetic.
Here we go.
One more on base, and you have Wallace up with two on. They can’t walk him, then, can they?
Sounds like Walrus is done now...
RT MatthewHLeach Wallace on deck. @kingclip just reported Vitters will come in for the next half-inning, so Cards fans should hope D.Jennings gets on here.
....my quick smells like french toast...
OT
Did anyone watch UFC 100 last night? And was it as awesome as I’ve read?
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watched some of it
Saw Hendo knock out/shut up Bisping and watched GSP dominate yet another opponent.
Hendersons quote immediately after the fight was awesome: “I knew he was out and I don’t usually fight like that, but that last one was to shut him up” (Or something along those lines.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I wasn't feeling great last night so I stayed home
but the Lesnar thrashing sounds like it was awesome. I’m hoping GSP moves up a class to face Silva next.
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me too
GSP has done all he can at his current weight class. I didn’t go anywhere to watch, but the link I was on crapped out before the lesnar fight, but I knew where it was heading before it started.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Waiting for them to sign the Russian away from Affliction.
Lesnar v Fedor for UFC 105(?)
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they have to do something
there is no one in the UFC that can handle Lesnar. He is a beast
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
That movie "Orphan" actually looks scary....
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." ~Al Gallagher, 1971
go cards.
well,
he’s slugging and fielding 1.000. can we call him up yet?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Daryl Jones
I wish you were right handed
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No one who might be ready in less than 3 years.
Unless you count Allen Craig. . . and I’m not sure I do anymore.
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Did Craig piss in somebody's cheerios, or what?
Why has he not even gotten a sniff anymore? Is he that bad defensively?
They don't like him at third.
He’s slumped at the plate. I still think the bat is potent and would be nice off the bench but I’m a little less confident than I was 3 months ago in that opinion.
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The question is, is he better than Brian Barden or Joe Thurston?
That’s all he needs to be right now.
Francisco Samuel already pitched
so that is all
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I missed all of Wallace unfortunately
Seeing him in the dugout, he didn’t look that hefty to me. Of coarse, his thunder thighs weren’t visible.
Daryl Jones
Looks a lot like Brian Jordan.
From watching BP
Wallace had a better BP than Heyward or Alvarez, though Heyward did connect on a bomb. Wallace squared up the ball more consistently than anyone else I saw and had a 3-in-a-row pepper session with the bullpen that was impressive.
Jones is as advertised, spray hitter. If he’s Skip with speed/defense I’d be very happy.
Stanton on the Marlins AA has MONSTER raw power. Moon shot fly balls and put a ball about 3 rows from the concourse in left. Ridiculous.
Heyward has big raw power but he’s pretty long to the ball getting his hands out front and hit several balls foul down the 1B side, can’t keep it fair down that side if you’re out front. He shortened up during the game—-but going by his BP swing I’d bet big leaguers could beat him pretty regularly with the generic hard-inside soft-away. My first thought was that he looked a lot like Kyle Russell though not nearly as long…..but there’s no one in baseball with a swing like Russell’s. Color me skeptical on him being able to consistently square up with power swings for the 35-40 HR he’s being predicted to have for now. Seems he has the athleticism to make up for it and change his approach so far, so what do I know but just my opinion…
Alvarez is really quick to the ball I can instantly see why scouts love him. Very simple swing with a good plane/path.
Not afraid to nitpick
Colby Too?
“but going by his BP swing I’d bet big leaguers could beat him pretty regularly with the generic hard-inside soft-away.”
I happened to get on the field during BP for 3 of the 4 games against the Giants 2 weeks ago and had the same thought when watching Colby take BP. He arm bars during his load, which will make it hard for him to cover the inner 1/3 of the strike zone unless his hands are incredibly fast. This swing “flaw” doesn’t hurt Griffey’s power numbers (but it does hurt his average) but I’m not sure Colby is Griffey.
Something to watch, especially next year.
I know this is part of Duncan’s problem and it may be part of Ank’s as well.
Never seen a Colby BP
Or paid attention to his swing, but he doesn’t seem to have a problem with the inner half in games. In fact he tends to roll over on outside pitches more than anything I’ve noticed instead of (like last night!) just pumping them the other way.
Not afraid to nitpick
Looking for a TV replay
I had a busy day and the rain delay killed my recording.
Saw a bit of Wallace and Jones live, but I’d like to watch the whole thing.
ESPN360 has it.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
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