Predicted paces for Triple Crown categories
Inspired by Derrick Goold's look at Pujols' chances of winning the batting title, I have taken a look at the numbers regarding the NL HR and RBI race. I believe (and I dont' think it's an uncommon belief) the biggest obstacle to Pujols getting the Triple Crown this season is the fact that he will likely be walked more and more as the season begins. Unfortunately, I don't have a way of using that as a predictor - if anyone does, please enlighten me. Also, I noted to day that STL has played more games than every team except Florida, which could be inflating El Hombre's stats. So, what I did was look at the top 7 in each category and find pace based on team games as well as games played and also looked at career rates in an attempt to predict where players might end up.
Teams and players involved: Florida: Hanley Ramirez; Washington: Adam Dunn; Philly: Ibanez, Howard, Utley; Arizona: Mark Reynolds; Milwaukee: Prince Fielder; SD: Adrian Gonzalez; STL: Pujols. I also looked at Beltran (NYM), since he has a great BA and has played about 20 games less than almost everyone else on that list.
(All numbers as of this morning)
Pujols currently has an 8 HR lead and an 8 RBI lead, but has played the most games in the NL. If all players in the top-7 keep playing at the same rate they have been taking the field (i.e. games played / team games), the final rankings will look like this:
HR (HR/Team games * 162)
1. Pujols 59
2T. Gonzalez 45
2T. Reynolds 44
4. Ibanez 42
4T. Dunn 42
6T. Fielder 41
6T. Howard 41
8. Utley 39
RBI (RBI/Team games * 162)
1. Pujols 156
2. Fielder 145
3. Howard 122
4. Utley 118
5. Reynolds 116
6T. Dunn 114
6T. Ibanez 114
8. Ramirez 110
I figured that didn't account for any injuries that a player had suffered this season and wasn't likely to re-suffer, so I next looked at Expected HR (or RBI) if a player played in ALL remaining team games, based on their current pace of HR (or RBI) per game. With one major exception, the standings don't change that much:
HR (current HR + HR/Games Played * Remaining Team Games)
1. Pujols 59
2. Ibanez 50
3T. Gonzalez 45
3T. Reynolds 45
5. Dunn 42
6T. Fielder 41
6T. Howard 41
8. Utley 39
(Carlos Beltran should end up with 18 HR using this metric). Ibanez shoots up the rankings based on the fact that he has only played in 62 games so far this season.
RBI (current RBI + RBI/Games Played * Remaining Team Games)
1. Pujols 157
2. Fielder 145
3. Ibanez 133
4. Howard 122
5. Utley 119
6. Reynolds 117
7. Ramirez 116
8. Dunn 114
(Beltran should end up with 90 RBI using this metric) Some shakeup at the bottom, and Ibanez moves up the ranking solidly, but not nearly enough to surpass Fielder or Pujols.
How about career pace? A player could be hot right now, and over the course of a season, players tend to end up about where their careers show they should. Using career pace over the number of team games remaining (same calculation as last metric, but career numbers rather than season numbers), the numbers are significantly different, indicating how hot some of these guys have been. HR is a little more reliable,as it depends much less on team help than RBI (which is at least 50% team performance).
HR (expected, using career pace of HR/Game)
1. Pujols 52
2. Howard 45
3. Dunn 42
4. Fielder 39
4T. Reynolds 39
4T. Gonzalez 39
7. Utley 34
8. Ibanez 33
(Beltran should end up with 22 HR this season, based on career pace). While Pujols is still safe, you can really see who is playing out of their minds.
RBI (expected, using career pace of RBI/Game)
1. Pujols 144
2. Howard 130
3. Fielder 126
4. Dunn 114
4T. Utley 114
6. Reynolds 110
7. Ibanez 105
8. Ramirez 96
(Beltran should end up with about 91 RBI this season).
All standard disclaimers apply (injuries, hot streaks, teams pitching around Pujols, etc), but these numbers certainly make it appear that Pujols has a great chance, even if he doesn't get pitched to much, of winning the RBI and HR crowns.
There doesn't appear to be anyone else who can break 50 HR (Ibanez is the only one in these projections that gets past 45, and his career certainly indicates that 40 will be a stretch). So, 15 - 20 more HR in the next 74ish games for Pujols and he should be safe in that category. Another month like June, and he's sitting at 46 before you can blink.
RBI will be tougher, it looks like 150 should be impossible for anyone else to reach, and 140 might be safe. This means another 60 RBI in the next 2 1/2 months. Certainly possible, the way he's been playing this season. However, BOTH of these numbers would be career highs, which casts some doubt on his ability. I think that the batting title will be his best chance, unless Joey Votto is still hitting around .360 after another 280 AB. He's only 11 points behind a guy who is currently batting more than 15 points above his best season ever and is tied with a guy (Beltran) who is 30 points above his best ever season. The less teams pitch to him, the better chance he has of increasing his average.
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Just to clarify one of my last points....
If Pujols continues to hit HRs at this season’s pace, he should be expected to hit around 27 more. With RBI, that number is 72.
If he produces HR and RBI at around 2/3 the rate that he has been so far this season, he should get 18 and 48 more, putting him at 50 HR and 133, both of which might be good enough to win the crowns this season.
Nomination for the "It Was Only A Matter Of Time..." Award: Carlos Zambrano was suspended for "Inappropriate and violent actions on the field and in the dugout."
Only guy crazier than Carlos Zambrano in baseball is Julian Tavarez
by Andy--01 on Jul 11, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Coolness
For someone to win the Triple Crown in this era would be ridiculous. Fortunately Albert is a ridiculous kind of guy.
Interestingly enough, via Fangraphs, the ZiPS rest-of-season projection expects Hanley and Albert to both finish the year batting .333. Beltran is expected to finish at .314. ZiPS also expects Albert to finish at 52 homers, 145 RBI, tops in both for MLB.
Lucky for us Albert is in the NL and doesn’t have to worry about Mauer (ZiPS projected .359 end of year average) and Ichiro (.342); however Albert has shown us that he’s capable of hitting for AVG in that range, so who knows. I don’t put anything past Albert; in fact it’s a fair bet that he eclipses the 1.000 APP mark this year (Albert Pujols Percentage), which is supposedly mathematically impossible for various reasons.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 11, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Forgot to mention
Hanley and Albert’s AVG would be tied for 1st in the N.L. according to the ZiPS projection, didn’t know if that was clear.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 11, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quit pre-emptively stealing my ideas
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 14, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing that bothers me
is that in recent history, some of the people that take part in the HR Derby have had trouble keeping up their pace. I think that it really screws with their mechanics to go out and solely try to hit HRs. In AP’s case, he is more of a linedrive hitter that just drills the ball over the fence, rather than your typical Barry Bonds type of HR swing-type. This may help him keep himself centered. I really hope so. It would be a shame to have this type of season ruined for the sake of a HR Derby.
by cardfanndeboonies on Jul 11, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Albert...
… has been swinging for the fences this year. his FB% is up 10 percentage points from last year, and 12 percentage points over his career average. as a consequence, his LD% and GB% are well down. his GB/FB ratio is the lowest of his career, while his HR/FB is the highest of his career. (because of those things, his BABIP is well below his career average, but that isn’t surprising nor is it necessarily a bad thing). his HR/PA is well above his career norms.
not saying his participation in the HR Derby won’t have an adverse effect; i worry about it too. but this year he has been swinging for the fences more than in past seasons so maybe it won’t affect him as much.
by kindred on Jul 12, 2009 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for pointing that out
I don’t get to see many games, except on the radio, so I haven’t been able to tell a difference in his approach. He just looks like, well Albert. And I am usually too happy to see a game when I can to care.
by cardfanndeboonies on Jul 12, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he still doesn't look like he has
that big loopy HR swing. Maybe that is just me.
by cardfanndeboonies on Jul 12, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've noticed that too.
It really shows that it looks like he does not go to the opposite field anymore. His spray chart at Busch Stadium this season shows this:
21 singles- 12 to left, 9 to center- 0 to right
12 doubles- 9 to left, 2 to left-center, 1 to right
0 triples- 0 to right
16 HRs- 15 to left and center, 1 to right.
so out of 49 hits at home, 2 of them were to right field
The poster formerly known as JoeyBombs.
by RasRoY on Jul 12, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's taking a lot more pitches on that outside of the plate
I don’t know if I’m the only one to notice this, but he seems to be taking a lot more pitches away and daring pitchers to get him out by throwing three strikes on the outside of the plate without missing near the middle. When they miss near the middle, he hits a bomb or hits it off the wall. He’s essentially setting pitchers up by not nibbling at the outside pitches and waiting for more pitches that he can drive.
Interestingly, he’s not walking in the non-intentional style as much as he has in past years despite this.
Can anyone verify this with pitch f/x? Harry P.?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 13, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His swing
isn’t loopy.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 12, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what he was saying
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jul 12, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was affirming.
He said “maybe it’s just me.”
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jul 12, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well then, yeah
pujols has about the most level swing in baseball
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jul 12, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post, I like the career pace especially
Just for conformation on your method, ZIPS projects Pujols to lead the NL in homers (52), RBI’s (145) and tie for the lead in average (.333). It’s cool that you basically got the exact same numbers by using a much simpler method then ZIPS does. Kudos again, this was a great read.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 12, 2009 5:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
can he still win
the triple crown if he’s tied in any of the categories?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jul 12, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he can if tied in HR and RBI
But, I don’t know how far they round for BA. If he’s .33333 and the guy “tied” with him is .33349, I don’t know if they give the batting title to the other guy, or they call them both .333.
Nomination for the "It Was Only A Matter Of Time..." Award: Carlos Zambrano was suspended for "Inappropriate and violent actions on the field and in the dugout."
Only guy crazier than Carlos Zambrano in baseball is Julian Tavarez
by Andy--01 on Jul 12, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh awesome, so I when I mention the ZiPS stuff nobody cares
But vivaelpujols is all “I’m mister smarty pants who writes for Driveline Mechanics and knows way more than mattybobo so I can steal his stuff and people think I’m awesome”. Lame!
(I hope it’s obvious how un-serious I am being, but if it isn’t: I’m totally not being serious.)
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I usually skip your comments...
something about the bobo in your name makes me think of clowns, and I’m scared to shit of clowns. I have Steven King to thank for this I think….
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 13, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I almost find it weirder for people not to be afraid of clowns.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jul 14, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For real?
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 13, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's totally serious.
tell you what, i’ll go rec your original post, mattybobo.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 13, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
viva has stolen some of my ideas too
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 13, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your peanut butter and bacon time machine
was never going to work, though.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jul 13, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly, if there's peanut butter and bacon involved, who cares
if you get to travel in time. because, hey, bacon!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jul 13, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm working on a fudge & bacon powered one now
fritz is dead on about peanut butter. it’s just not conducive to time travel.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 15, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry
At least I didn’t steal the bear.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 14, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can have him if you want him
the bear told me he liked you better anyway. something about your sabermetrics satisfying him more than mine ever could.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jul 15, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would go to out to the thousandths of a point I think
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jul 13, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols has some valuable new advantages
The emergence of Rasmus in front of him and the return of Ludwick behind him means that AP has someone else reliable to drive in, AND someone to provide protection. Also worth noting, we have very few games remaining against the Brewers and Cubs (most of which are at home).
If Albert can keep his batting average above .335, he has a VERY good chance of making this happen.
by JWO on Jul 14, 2009 8:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My favorite thoughts about the triple crown
Yaz won the triple crown with this line:
.326/44/121
Albert’s average per 162 games:
.334/43/130
I’ll take Albert’s average year over Yaz’s Triple crown year, thankyouverymuch.
Oh yeah, and Albert’s pace this year:
.332/67/157
hehehe
by stlfan on Jul 14, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

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