Game 57 Overflow thread
by chuckb on Jun 7, 2009 3:45 PM EDT
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PrintPlease take a pitch or two, guys! We have got to start working some counts, getting good pitches to hit and getting some runners on base.
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What Angel Hernandez made a bad call.
didn’t see that coming.
by Harknights on Jun 7, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gotta thank him, though
Piniero wouldn’t have gotten out of the 2nd if not for Angel today.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 7, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
ha ha ha
pitch to contact. So frustrating. Have they hit one ball well yet this inning? 4 straight crappy singles, 2 runs, 2 on, no outs. Game over.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
Damn it!
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
only in this month
would i ever feel super depressed about a 3-2 rockies lead. here comes perez.
cardinals are the things with feathers that perch within the soul.
realistically
it’s at least 4-2 at the end of this inning, if perez pitches well.
With our offence, I’m thinking climbing back into this one will be hard.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This inning should be recorded and played back anytime someone advocates pitchign to contact.
Really, its the poster child for the problems with it.
what's that you say, mathematics?
Pineiro? Regression? The mean???
Why, I’ve never heard such nonsense!
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
yes and it helps with the lack of run support?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
no shit
I don’t think he’s pitched badly….he gave up 10 singles and not even one XBH. They’re getting lucky to some extent today.
yeah but probably due
he’s been uber lucky so far, on the same said singles/groundouts…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The Turn-Left League
is never a better option.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 7, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was so hoping before they score with 2 on we would have seen Motte.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
just came on
can someone explain how we managed to score two runs on one sac fly? A credit to Colby? or did the OF fall down and it was a no-brainer?
LOL
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 7, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
LF made an amazing catch off a pujols no-doubter double/triple
fell into the wall, flipped the ball to CF. Rasmus made a heads-up play at 2B, holding on the catch and tagging up, and got home on the flip/throw to the cutoff man.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Albert hit a really deep line drive to left,
the fielder caught it at the wall and tumbled over. the runners tagged, the fielder took a long time getting the ball in, and Colby ran really fast.
cardinals are the things with feathers that perch within the soul.
alright, good job jimenez.
now, double play and we’re out of this.
cardinals are the things with feathers that perch within the soul.
This one is on tony
he can not let pin just work through jam after jam
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
harsh
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
only 90-odd pitches and no-one hit him hard.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
With our small bullpen
we can’t afford to have the starters not go 6 innings.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 7, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
ha ha
true enough. I guess it’s EXACTLY what should make it easier to whip out our crappy groundballers when they start to struggle. Point taken.
Put in your K guy (perez/motte) to relieve the jam, then throw in a long guy for an inning or two…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Albert Pujols.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 7, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
out of curiosity, why would a catcher ever setup on the corner with Perez
Just setup behind the plate and let the movement on his pitches do the rest.
Wow...
Albert is going to get killed because he’s the only competent player on the field sometimes…
V, b.
i will be heartbroken
if he ever has anytrhing other than BOB
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
HBP
instead of BB. Perez finding new, interesting ways to put runners on base.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
nice play Albert!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 7, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
"the bullpen is a little thin right now"
“in NUMBERS?”
They honestly SAID THAT???
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Late to the thread
glad to see benching Luddy and going with an all lefty OF is paying off with 2 whole fucking hits so far!!!
(yes, Luddy isn’t killing it right now either, but getting Ank and Dunc in the game because of so weak ass matchups BS just doesn’t cut it with me)
Milt Thompson FTW!
luddy's been tanning the ball last few days
mostly straight at fielders but he’s hit well without luck. Ank and dunc, not so much….
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yes!
the game is still within reach. (i.e., we’re only one run down)
cardinals are the things with feathers that perch within the soul.
The only real problem for this team right now is the lack of offense.
I’m OK with Pineiro and Welley pitching to contact if only our batters can have more than two hits against a mediocre pitcher as Jimenez.
yeah
tbh, pin and welly last two starts haven’t been so bad. Both got a little unlucky (welly happened to give up his 2 HR when pretty much the only other guys he put on base happened to be on, and pineiro gave up a ton of pretty soft GB hits)
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Perez gets a big "WTG" for that effort
we’re still in it…
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this thread just got very 2007
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a wee bit fatalistic
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
by themanthemyth on Jun 7, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm feeling a little 2007 at the moment...
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm thinking september 2006
everyone was so sure we were doomed.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
yah
and theres a ton of newcomers since 06 and they tend to be a wee bit “the sky is falling”
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
woo
glad to get outa that inning
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 7, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions
And why does
Rick Horton keep finding a way to say the word ‘pinch’?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
another Dusty miscue
Taveras pinch hits and stays in the game in Centerfield, moving Dickerson, the CF starter , to a corner. Dickerson made two great plays in CF yesterday and looks better there than Taveras. Dusty emulating Tony ?
old st. angel
giving presents to pitchers since 1991.
cardinals are the things with feathers that perch within the soul.
if im COL
i walk him..make one of the duds beat me
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Save us Colby1. You're our only hope.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 7, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
yet horton critisizes
the guy got a double…shut up
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Colby with another double...
Please Tony find any reason whatsoever to not play him….dumbass.
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FOR THE LOVE OF BABY JESUS
PLEASE DO NOT PUT COLBY OR LUDWICK ON THE BENCH AGAIN, THIS YEAR, EXCEPT FOR OFF DAYS.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
Rasmus - then 17 outs - then Rasmus again
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
haha. yeah.
it’s like he’s good or something. how many of his last hits have been for xb?
cardinals are the things with feathers that perch within the soul.
What’s gotten into Raz. Is he trying to become and evryday player? He’s better switch to SS.
"I don't take no anesthetic. Did Lincoln ask for any girlie gas when they blowed his head off?"
It's this terrible farm system
that Tony thinks need to be held accountable. If the best they can produce is Colby Rasmus, they should either hire Walt back or hire Tony.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 7, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Colby has gotten XBH happy
such a poor hitter. Al can’t be pleased.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 7, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
sarcasm?
is this related to als comments when he was coming out of the slump with hrs?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
I'm gonna go out on a limb
and call a single up the middle just so I can actually be happy if I’m right
+1
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
he'd never do it
because Ankiel is one of his “guys”
Milt Thompson FTW!
Mr Clutch comes to bat
Couldn’t TLR give Ludwick a chance here?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
ank can't hit high FB
jimenez throws like 96mph. Bad spot???
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there it is
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
everyone else but TLR would pinch hit luddy right?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Someone check this...
Colby is batting over .500 this last week, probably .600 now with a 2-3 game.
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I posted last night that he's been hot
the last 20 games or so.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 7, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If you bat Colby every day
He will have a mental meltdown in the playoffs, gotta protect the rooks at all cost!
He's been tattooing it for about 3 weeks now
so of course he gets 2 days off so we can play ankiel in centre….
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
this is a MAJOR rally for us
2 guys on with 2 outs…such excitement
Milt Thompson FTW!
The Rox were going over the strategy to get out Ankiel. “If you want him to pop up on the infield, throw it down the middle, If you want to strike him out, throw it head high and off the plate.”
"I don't take no anesthetic. Did Lincoln ask for any girlie gas when they blowed his head off?"
yeah, i agree.
he’s sucking it up right now. but still, it seems a little drastic to say he’s dead to you.
shrugs to each his own.
cardinals are the things with feathers that perch within the soul.
if im a pitcher (or AP)i hold a meeting with TLR or MO
go get us someone
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
That would require playing both Raz and Lud
We know that cannot happen….
Can't blame that strike on Angel
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
Fuck this shit.
Everyone on the face of the planet knew how that would turn out. Everyone. Yet he still gets to go up there and do it…
V, b.
You are right
TLR had to hang with Ank when the guy can’t hit a lick right now. Next, we get to see Dunc flail futilely
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
BOOOOO
WHY ARE YOU PLAYING ANKIEL? BECAUSE YOU HIT A HOMERUN YESTERDAY IN ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE IT DIDNT FUCKIN MATTER?
We need two new outfielder please.
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we just need a LF
preferably a RH one who is an average-ish player. Ank and Dunc are both below replacement level this year, and it’s over a third of the way through the year.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
the two OFers Im talking about are Dunc and Ank
If preferable, it can be 1 new OFer and 1 new big bat
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what is intolerably horrible
is the part of me that actually roots for Ankiel to screw up… so we get closer to NOT playing him at all. I can’t stand not rooting for all 25 on the roster. I don’t like Rick.
not even close
to being a ball
though angel herandez is a horrible umpire. i’m always surprised when he has a job the following year, but he always does.
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Ankiel is done
I mean this is just awful
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
i think we are seeing
the result of the late switch to being a position player
rick-dick is not optionable and really need to be in memphis getting sorted out.
awful for horrible = atkins for ankiel
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colorado are out of it
they do not need a 4 month OF rental.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we going to get fucking swept by the last place Rockies?
in a 4 game series….AT HOME
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they will be lucky to score 40 in June
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
that's how it is looking
with the offense playing this poorly, I don’t see it turning around soon
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
starting Ankiel over Ludwick is really dumb
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 7, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions
not to mention that before today, ankiel started over Rasmus two games in a row
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
Ankiel is apparently...
going to have to start airmailing throws to the backstop in order to get benched. Worked last time…
V, b.
The annoying thing is
know how we solve this BS against RH pitchers? Schumaker in left field, Rasmus in centre, Ludwick in right. Thurston at 2B, someone new at 3B, Ryan/Greene at SS.
So if we, say, CRAZILY play everyone in their actual positions, this problem goes away.
Oh, also, if we don’t carry 8 men in the bullpen we might be able to burn pinch-hitters in really important at-bats. Like that one ankiel just K’d in.
Why is this not obvious?!?!
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
Randolph, dont make weak popups sound like homeruns...
you senile bastard
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lol +1
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
As bad as Ank has been
we forget how terrible Duncan has been.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
and as i understand it
cd could go to memphis. true?
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
and it COULD GO...
oh, wait, the right fielder caught it.
cardinals are the things with feathers that perch within the soul.
about 20 yards from the infield ;-)...
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Jay Randolph...
actually got excited over that fly ball from Duncan. He’s worse than the offense…
V, b.
at least if we make 4 more straight out
pujols and rasmus get to bat against huston street. If the rain doesn’t f that up.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
Did Randolph just say we could call all the Rocks pitchers tough?
Please don’t confuse anemic offense for good pitching
we just throw up mediocre player after mediocre player up to the plate
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
This team is playing with no energy
someone needs to raise some Hell! I suppose TLR will chew Bernie out to inspire his team.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
CHOP! CHOP! CHOP!
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
New low point of the year
Now eclipsing the sweep by the shirttails in Milwaukee.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
Needy, needy
Well I have all the respect in the world for Ankiel. What he’s done has made my Cardinal heart proud. Having said that, he needs to get out of the lineup and into a situation where he can work on his game. The Post article saying he was coming around was a joke. Do those people actually watch the games? Anyone looking at Ankiel the last six games could not possibly conclude that he was figuring out squat.
Mo, the position players batting behind Albert in this game are 0 for 15, with 5 K’s. Get something done.
one step forward, two back
having watched the last couple of games, i DO feel that ankiel was showing some (very early) signs of life. But he’s sucked again tonight. Thing is, only one of him or dunc should be playing, at all, at the moment. And they shouldn’t be hitting 2, or 4.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
How about DL him with anxiety disesase?
and trade for a proper major league batter who can bat .300 with some pop.
Ho… wait!
I forget our GM is MO who has a very succesfull strategy in looking for “low hanging fruits” and “stay put” at the trade deadline. I fear we will finish the season with Brendan Ryan on the outfield avoiding any major trades in order to save our precious farm system for the future.
by Brianzaredbird on Jun 7, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
he's done ok
not his fault TLR decided to start him tonight while his wife’s in labor. Dumb decision if you ask me.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean
i know the production of a bunt pop out, fly out, and strike out are just so staggering but come on!
we're 2 out
and possibly going to be 3, if the brewers come back in atlanta…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
if we lose this 3-2 it'll almost be more demoralising than if we get hammered in this inning....
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
that's a weight off my mind
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
ha ha now 6-2 in this inning
my name is felonius_monk and I am doom.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
ha ha ha ha ha
7-2. WHAT. A. JOKE.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
pitcher gets a hit
oh well at least it’s not gonna be close.
Jesus. We are so f’ing bad at the moment….
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We have not played more than 2 of our 3 best hitters in a game in a long time
So of course we cannot score runs.
the rocks pen does too
not that i think that’ll make any difference….
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
non-save situation now anyway
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
lefty gets a hit
why do we have 8 men, including two LOOGYs, in the BP again????
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as bad as this is, it's 3:25 in the morning here. .. How bad can it become?
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HL Mencken
just hold on a minute for the answer
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we are going to be swept by the worst team in the worst division
thompson going tomorrow
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Our team just sucks period right now
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
so KMac's throwing garbage
and we have EIGHT MEN, EIGHT FUCKING MEN in the bullpen, tony. FOR CRYING OUR F’ING LOUD WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING HALF YOUR ROSTER FULL OF RELIEVERS WHEN YOU ONLY EVER USE FOUR OF THEM…..
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at least they are using Perez more
but they are just going to burn out McClellan again at this rate
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 7, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
he's not even pitching well
pretty sure his FIP is pretty much replacement level. I reckon he can turn it around and i’m not too worried about our pen, but I do feel TLR mis-uses them at times. When you have 8 men and TLR as a manager the WHOLE POINT of that is to take advantage of favourable match-ups; so why is KMac facing a lefty in a high-leverage, late inning situation when we have reyes and miller available? Why do we have guys sat in the pen for weeks without being used?
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
kmac wasn't over used last year
he had a flash and then folks caught up with him somehow and he hasn’t done well since
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He's done pretty well
until his second inning today.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
yay
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 7, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions
thursty didnt even attampt that?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
If only I had the discipline to not watch, listen to, or check online on this team
the game’s not even on here and I hate following this team right now
well, I can guarantee
I won’t be watching next time Duncan and Ankiel are in the lineup together. I refuse, its just too maddening.
This team on the field is not the Cardinals...
The Cardinals I know and love give a shit and care about winning and losing
im still watching because I wanna see Rasmus stick another hit in LaRussas face
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true nuff
think i’ll watch this one out. Rasmus and Pujols get to hit again, other than Carp, Waino and Motte they’re about the only good thing about this time right now.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Shut The Fuck Up Rick Horton
Quit talking about comebacks…it aint going to happen
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well fuck this
probably still only 2 games out but, right now, it’s hard to see how we’re not going to fall back further this month. Treading the tightrope for a month thanks to the starters but when their luck doesn’t hold out….
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Does this team have redeemable qualities?
Are they good guys that just can’t play baseball? Are they fun to party with but can’t hit a baseball with a tennis racket? Maybe they all are focused on outside endeavors that are very altuistic. Or maybe they have all been donating blood for sick kids in Africa so we’’re just drained come game time.
The two most vaulable players outside of Albert right now:
Colby Rasmus
Brendan Ryan
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Oh, good time for another inning full of John Beal commercials. Honey, call John Beal . . and send down Ankiel
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I don't know what's worse
losing to the Rockies, or losing to a team that wears vests instead of jerseys…
Albert's going to hit a 5 run homer
"I don't take no anesthetic. Did Lincoln ask for any girlie gas when they blowed his head off?"
Never
I have never seen an entire team go into a 6 week hitting slump. Other than Albert, nobody else on this team can hit. Making a trade for DeRosa or Holliday will only help if some of these other guys get their heads out of their asses. It’s not like they are going up against Johan Santanna every night.
Can someone tell Colby Rasmus that being nonchallant to look “cool” doesn’t cut it in the big leagues. Quit your lollygagging!!!!
I HATE JAY RANDOLPH!!!!!!! I am sure he is a nice man, and he does a pretty good job with golf, but PLEASE never let this guy do baseball games anymore!!! It isn’t just that he sucks, it is that his voice reminds me of the dark years of Cardinals baseball when Vern Rapp was the manager.
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!
I've seen Rasmus lollygag once, he was yelled at for it.
And I hate Jay Randolph too.
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Whats funny is that of all the people you rant at, you rant at the one player who
is actually producing…how about directing the anger towards the players that deserve it…
Elvis needs to change his name to Al Hrabosky
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Not Al
First of all, I did not “rant” at Colby Rasmus. I want to see him play more, but that won’t happen as long as he keeps giving his appearance of a lack of hustle on defense. Everybody knows that Tony loves hustle. Rasmus doesn’t charge the ball in center field and he lobs the ball back into the infield far too often. (Many times this does not change the outcome of a particular play, but over the course of a year it will several times and Tony knows this.
You can’t pick a guy on this team to “rant” about. It is a giant collective sucking sound coming from their dugout. However, if I am going to rant, I would start with Jay Randolph. The sound of his voice makes me want to change the channel.
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!
He hustled home
from 2nd on a sac fly. People do this with Beltran, too. Gifted fielder =/= lazy.
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by spants on Jun 7, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's the most realistic offensive scenario I can think of for us right now
"I don't take no anesthetic. Did Lincoln ask for any girlie gas when they blowed his head off?"
Rasmus hits another ball hard...too bad that one was right at the left fielder
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In case no one heard “This is not a save situation for Franklin”
"I don't take no anesthetic. Did Lincoln ask for any girlie gas when they blowed his head off?"
This game has me so depressed
I don’t even want to watch TiVo… Congratulations Cardinals you’ve sucked my will to live.
by ducttape16 on Jun 7, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
"ankiel has a hit streak going here"
pretty sure he left an “s” out of that statement somewhere. Any guesses?
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
At least
Ankiel leads the league in broken bats
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
Dunc
will hit one out now and TLR will bench Rasmus for him tomorrow
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
The base hit will mean that Bumpkin’s in the lineup again tomorrow
"I don't take no anesthetic. Did Lincoln ask for any girlie gas when they blowed his head off?"
at least the cubs and reds are getting worked
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 7, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions
The main thing we have going for us is
that we are in the second weakest division in baseball.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
I give up.
This team fucking sucks. Make some trades, DeWitt.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
What can we do with this lineup?
Somebody has to play but other than pujols and maybe rasmus, no one is going to start based on their hitting. We have no good options at 2nd, SS, 3b, and two outfield spots.
I think I miss the offseason.
Good point
This team isn’t very talented. And, with the exception of AP, the talent we have isn’t very experienced. Could be a long season.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
Ludwick and Rasmus
should start every game in the OF. Get a real 3B.
There, I’ve already started to solve a lot of the offense’s problems.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
I might also suggest...
Get a real 2B (or play Thurston there) and put Skip back in LF where he belongs.
that would honestly solve a LOT of our problems
find a RH 3B who can hit, pick up a cheap, average RH OF, move skip to LF, stop giving Ank/Dunc much playing time. Makes life much easier.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
and skip in the OF
greene and ryan in the MIF
if we can’t do anything with offense, why not improve the d?
only improve the defense in late innings when you have the lead
that is clearly the only time it’s important. Plus you get to pull the nifty move your 2B to the OF trick and who doesn’t love that. It makes you look so smart.
Trades
I am normally not in favor of this, but I think Moz has to make a trade just to make a trade. This team is stagnant and needs a shake-up.
There is no trade this team can make that would help this team by itself because one player can’t turn it around with the whole team slumping.
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!
Pagnozzi for Longoria would be a start....
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Draft
I am looking forward to the draft this week. I am curious to see how conservative they are this year.
If a Porcello or Mehlville falls to them, will they pony up, or will they take a mediocre guy who is more “signable”?
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!
Did anyone notice almost 43K fans in the park today? This ain't going to last long.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Is it remotely possible that these past few games have really been a "slump"?
or is this team REALLY wretched supported by a handful of quality players and successful magage and pitching coach?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
This past month the team keeps springing leaks
Just when you’ve got one leak stopped, another starts.
I wouldn’t really credit TLR for anything this year, this year has been the worst I’ve seen him manage. Yet another game Ludwick or Rasmus sits. Skip is still at second.
Slump
The past few games could be considered a slump.
However, the offense is beyond a slump. They have been awful for almost a month and a half solid.
Is Hal McRae nervous yet? He should be. The only guys hitting are the ones he really doesn’t do much with.
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!
Some of this falls on TLR
he doesn’t play the best players or the hot hand consistantly. Just look at today’s lineup. No Ludwick, no Greene. That just takes hits out of the lineup. TLR refuses to play Rasmus against lefties because of some small sample size BS, but has no problem trotting Duncan or Skip out there time after time.
It’s pretty easy for a decent pitcher like today to navigate deep into the game. He’ll have 3 near automatic outs in the ice cold Duncan and Ankiel + the pitcher. Beyond that there is a bunch of MIF players to contend with.
Also it doesn’t really matter if the offense gets better, because you will still have major holes in the defense at 3rd and short.
Basically I don’t like TLR and probably never will.
I'm sure that TLR would LOVE an everyday lineup come what may. He probably feels
that he has to tinker with the cast of clunkers assembled. He has a track record of preferring experienced players over promising young ones. Yet Cards lead the league in rookies player (and players on the anxiety DL). Tough TLR times indeed
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
There is tinkering and there is benching Ludwick
There is tinkering and there is completely ignoring the defense.
I think we could have at least a couple more wins if we had a manager who didn’t try to get to cute and just played the best players. I usually think managers don’t really impact a game, but most managers have the good sense to start their best players. I don’t know when TLR went all lineup crazy.
Tony
He is the ultimate “tinker” man. I am sometimes surprised he doesn’t platoon Albert. While most other teams carry 11 pitchers, this team carries 13 so that he can use 5 or 6 per game. If he had 13 position players he would be double-switching and platooning like a maniac.
I do think he is one of the best ever at getting the best out of his bench players, but there are times when I wish he would just stick with a few guys and give them a chance to get a rhythm going. Ludwick should be in there everyday. Unless he gets going, this team can’t go anywhere.
I think Tony will leave at the end of this contract. He is too close to the end of his career to put up with having teams full of rookies and a front office that is unwilling to go get the little pieces here and there that he needs to compete.
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!
Hey!
My twittering just got mentioned on the post game show! Go me!
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
boxcar_fritz@JohnMarecek what were jimenez’s splits against all star silver slugging rf’ers?
JohnMarecek@boxcar_fritz LOL. If that stat exists, Bernie would have it
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
that's the first good news out of the weekend of baseball
was Yadi the star of pooches in the park?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
He had a very good time.
Lots of butts to sniff.
The rain and craptastic baseball team really put a damper on the day, though. Hopefully an evening of gyros and wine can turn around the day.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
That's a good line. Funny and hopefully it got someone on the TV talking about ludwick being benched.
I feel it’s a topic not discussed enough, considering the stuff they usually end up talking about instead.
Shouldn't we just pull a Willie Mays
and start batting Albert leadoff every game? At the very least, he’d get more at-bats and the fans would get to leave in the 8th inning and avoid traffic when he gets his last-at-bat.
Double hyphen for the win!
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 7, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
if he is only going to get to hit solo shots
might as well have them with 0 outs in the first. At least then we will all get a false sense of hope for at least most of that first inning*.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
few will read this
but I am miffed at Peter Gammons, who said that the reason the Rockies didn’t IBB Pujols in the first inning today was because Ankiel had “hammered” the Rockies on Fri and Sat.
Huh??
Rick was 1 for 4 Friday and 1 for 3 Sat, yes with a meaningless solo HR.
That’s “hammering” ?
Yeah.
I heard that, too, and was so upset by it I literally couldn’t yell at the television. I thought this guy was a Hall of Famer. How does he say that with a straight face?
You can't teach a hammer to love nails.
by the red baron on Jun 7, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Position Players
Colby Rasmus – 177 PAs – 1.8 WAR
Ryan Ludwick – 154 PAs – .6 WAR
Rick Ankiel – 126 PAs – .3 WAR
Chris Duncan – 195 PAs – .4 WAR
I’m surprised there isn’t more talk of the constant shuffling of players in the mainstream media. For all that some players prefer to hit in certain spots, we’ve heard nothing about the constant juggling that TLR does with the outfield and the lineup. (I’m not an adherent to the lineup position thinking but many are.)
Perhaps part of the reason that the team struggles is the constant movement in position, lineup spot and just playing time that goes on because of LaRussa. To me, Colby Rasmus and Ryan Ludwick should be daily mainstays in the outfield. Rasmus is head and shoulders above the rest of the outfield crop right now (in large part due to defense — he’s still projecting as a +3 defensive player) that it shouldn’t even be a quesiton. Ludwick is the only other outfielder that you could expect to be any kind of an impact player. Dear STL P-D, make this more of an issue. It needs to be hashed out.
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And maybe Rasmus'
Stats wouldn’t look so good if he were playing everyday, going up against guys that he might not matchup against. His numbers vs lefties this year are terrible. OPS wise, considerably worse than Duncan’s, and about the same as Rick’s.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
And this ain't the minors.....
Any decent lefty is pitching in the Bigs. Doubt Raz was facing much in the way of decent lefties in the minors.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
Babip, bro.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 7, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well
Duncan’s splits vs lefties in the minors – poor. Rasmus’ – pretty good. I think it’s a fair point that pitchers, in general, are better in the majors, but rasmus has had a pretty good split vs lefties his whole career and so you’d expect that to translate to the majors. His major league splits so far vs LHP are so small as to be practically meaningless. The dude has 38 at-bats against left-handed pitching.
We already know dunc and ankiel can’t hit lefties. Rasmus is a much better fielder than either of them, and he has shown (albeit at a lower level) that he can. He’s worth playing vs lefties for that reason. He should be our every day centre fielder. Although I realise you think he “hasn’t earnt it”.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
actually
maybe i’ve done dunc a slight disservice there, he wasn’t THAT bad against lefties in the minors:
Duncan minor league OPS
vs LHP .758
vs RHP .824
Ankiel minor league OPS
vs LHP .842
vs RHP .879
Rasmus minor league OPS
vs LHP .826
vs RHP .860
However, Raz has hit & fielded better than both of them this year, and he’s done it with a .286 BABIP which will surely go up. His hitting stats would probably be hurt by making more PAs against LHP, but he’d gain overall value (i.e. more PAs and more time on field to gain defensive value = more overall value) so he’d probably be over 2 wins by now.
I realise there’s an argument that tony doesn’t want to expose the rookie to situations where he might fail (facing LHP), and that’s fair enough and an entirely valid argument. However, he’s the best CF, our most valuable OF this year, and one of the top prospects in baseball. He’s shown he can handle the major leagues. It’s not time to “protect” him in favour of two guys who are sinking fast – he needs to be playing everyday.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i cant believe anyone would still defend not starting Rasmus everyday over a platoon of Dunc and Ankiel
ridiculous….if anything he needs ML experience vs. lefties. Not playing isn’t going to help him improve.
Go drink some more Kool-Aid.
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Maybe they wouldn't.
But when things aren’t working, shouldn’t you at least put your best players on the field and presume they’ll succeed rather than presume they’ll fail? You’ve got no evidence to suggest he’d actually be worse and, to date, there IS evidence he’s been better.
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by azruavatar on Jun 7, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
there is a growing consensus
about Rasmus playing nearly every day (I am and remain a charter member)… BUT, with LaRussa it probably ain’t going to happen. But with me (and I know with other fans too) it’s not just the grrrr of a good talent not getting his chance to learn from his mistakes… it is how obviously inefficient Ankiel, and to a slightly less degree Duncan, have become.
Rick is really making me sick with his Tino Martinez-esque over-swinging and trying to muscle everything and his extremely poor plate discipline.
As for Dunc, Cowboy Jeff Brantley just blurted it out in the recent series vs. Cincy; namely, never throw him a fast ball (except maybe to show him a waste pitch outside) because little Dunc CANNOT hit a breaking ball. Granted his eye and plate discipline aren’t as bad as Ankiel’s, but add in his defense (ha)… more like a disaster ready to happen at any time, and, well there ya go.
If Tony wants to ‘protect’ Rasmus from time to time, ok, but at least do it with someone other than Ankiel or Duncan. As someone above alluded… maybe Colby can’t hit lefties consistently yet… but we KNOW Chris and Rick can’t.
There's a valid point here
both dunc and ank have major, consistent weaknesses, holes in their swings. It could just be (at least to some extent) that the book on them is increasingly widespread. It’s also easier to throw them the pitches that they’re weak against when they’re slumping and the rest of the team is too.
Just throw duncan sliders/breaking balls, esp. away, and he’s not gonna hit with any power (and, while he’s pressing, not walking much). Ank can’t hit high fastballs, or catch up to any sort of heat really with his swing when he’s struggling. You can’t help but feel that they’re both very pitchable – they’re mistake hitters.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 8, 2009 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions
What media?
The St. Louis media is either afraid of Tony yelling at them at press conferences, is an old school sort of baseball person that believes in hustle and agressiveness, not sabermetrics and so loves Tony*. Or is basically on the Cardinals payroll in some form or another.
*I actually got banned from the STL P-D forums for a sarcastic statement about being surprised that anyone there (besides Goold) had even heard about fangraphs *after BernieM mentioned it briefly in a blog post). Touchy, touchy.
And the national media...
can’t be bothered to pay attention. They have a short attention span outside the Yankees/Red Sox.
bernice will ban anyone for looking crosseye at the monitor
he’s a little bitch when it comes to that place
it’s a combo of both. hummel, strauss & gordon don’t care about stats & are TLR lemmings. Bernie & Goold are the only guys who care about stats, but have no spine to stand up or call the Cards out for fear of the team & fans calling for their heads. Bernie had to blow up with Tony once, but ever since then he’s bent over for Tony & gone out of his way to kiss his ass.
it really is pathetic. most fans are clueless & the media doesn’t help by not having the cojoes to go up against the team. so they constantly get away with murder.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
I was banned for a week
I emailed his boss and they reinstated me.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 8, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
What heresy did you utter? I enjoy your posts and your insights. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
I am ready for Adam Dunn. At this point I don't care about his defense. Give me that OBP and 40 homeruns behind Albert.
We need runs.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
One contradictory note. If you coach, pitch - pitch to contact inducing ground balls, the team has an obligation to field a decent defense.
Izzy2 and Kennedy stank at the plate, but at least they were ++ defenders. This team stinks at the plate and is – - defensively. Pitchers must feel anxious each time a fly ball goes in the direction of the Duncster or a grounder goes anywhere other than Albert.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
If either Thurston or Schu could hit like Dunn and protect Albert I would absolutely love them right now.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
so... when do we start asking what the hitting coach is doing?
I seem to remember this thread from last year……..
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
If anyone here did their job this badly, they would have been fired already...
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Damnit...
Here I was actually looking forward to class tomorrow so I wouldn’t have to watch the game. But now I find out my second class is canceled, meaning I’ll be home to see the masterpiece from Jason Marquis in its entirety. I wish I was stonger…
V, b.
clubhouse morals is low?
gee, you think Bernie? i gotta wonder where he’s getting his info. this sounds like rampant speculation to me. like he just walked through the clubhouse sunday afternoon & he saw some heads down & suddenly it hit’s him. huzzah! i’ll write they are sad & MO’s about to lose his team! if i think it, it must be true!
you don’t make a move just to make a move. you don’t give up Walrus, Motte, or YP for a guy that will cause Tony to put Ludwick on the bench next to Colby. that’s just stupid. like carrying 13 pitchers stupid.
his brilliance amazes me. playing Colby more will help the OF’s numbers go up? no f’ing way!
in sadder news, apparently the Reds have a player with issues similar to KBots. this sucks. and not just because Votto is a hell of a talent like KBot. Greinke, Willis, Kbot & now Votto are the latest players with emotional issues, really make you wonder how many players this type of situation has happened to in the past? did Rick also have these problems? what about what happened to chuck knoblauch?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
I didn't know that about Votto
I thought it was a residual ear infection (affecting balance) following a bad case of the flu; it appears there may be more to it than that. I saw him in Louisville…he’s a stick!
They're
probably all anxiety-related issues, but I doubt everyone on that list is practicing “self-punishment” like KG.
Oh, and I think Rick still has issues.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
I have the answer to our offensive woes...
Everyone but Pujols and Schu will bat opposite of what they normally do.
Turn Dunc and Ank around and let them hit from the right side.
What is the worst that could happen? They strike out?
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 8, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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