Chris Carpenter could finish a game of Risk in two hours
by DanUpBaby on Jun 5, 2009 7:15 AM EDT
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What's there to say about Chris Carpenter at this point? If anything he seems sharper now than he did in 2006, when last he was more than a constant, nagging medical concern. He's throwing his fastball, which is the kind of fastball that a lot of relief pitchers get away with for ten years, less than he ever has—less than half the time up to yesterday's start—and his breaking balls, especially the new-ish slider that he's gone to so often, have gone from good to vicious, an adjective in the set of pitching terms that begins with "carved up."
In a fluff piece written for the Sports Illustrated World Series magazine after 06—momup is a formidable collector of Cardinals ephemera, and I am a formidable reader of anything next to me when I have nothing better to do—Carp attributed his newfound success to the ability, as an older pitcher, to focus exclusively on the next pitch he's going to throw. That seems about right, and the remarkable thing is that he's so good about it that he has the same effect on fans. I was in the car listening to the radio when Laynce Nix—Laynce Nix! Three-time failed Ranger CF of the future, a guy who couldn't even hit in Arlington!—continued his ascent up the St. Louis public enemy chart, and as soon as it left the park I... I calmed down. Carp threw a strike. My car continued up the street in an orderly fashion. The game ended.
All I can say is that you know you're good when Tony La Russa, who last admitted to enjoying something after watching the third Indiana Jones movie, for fear of giving secrets away to the other team, calls you "a pleasure to watch."
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Carpenter did his job and granted sportswriters use of the term Stopper for the next week, but Albert doing all the heavy lifting wasn't exactly the perfect salve for our continued offensive fear and trembling. I'll take hits from all three outfielders, but I'd like an extra base or two before I resume counting my chickens.
But one interesting thread on offense has been Brendan Ryan's quiet charge back to offensive respectability, and last night's 1-3 performance has brought his batting average all the way up to .281, the exact point at which people will stop paying attention to what a middle infielder is doing on offense. I've been extremely critical of Ryan in the past, because of how spare his track record as even a passable AAA hitter has been up to this point—and, admittedly, because I'm loath to give backup infielders, with their small samples, the kind of defensive credit that would be needed to carry his 2008 bat.
But as of today, when he's within thirty points of OPS of matching the 2007 stint that got everybody so excited in the first place, and made a backup infielder out of a long-time suspect who couldn't stay on the field, the egg is on my face. .340/.380 isn't going to bust any games wide open, but on a team that settled for Cesar Izturis last year it's a revelation.
I have a feeling that this might eventually become a Chris Duncan situation, where a guy's minor league numbers are, for whatever reason, totally inadequate to describe his major league talent. Ryan was last a prospect to be followed in 2005, when he impressed in Palm Beach and treaded water in Springfield; in 2006 he didn't stay on the field and in 2007 he was brought up to the majors as a last resort, and his ugly numbers in Memphis did little to reject the notion that he was overmatched in AA and experiencing a Bo Hart moment in St. Louis. 2008 did little but propogate that notion. But now he's hitting again.
In the meantime, I throw up my hands. His minor league track record can be read too many ways to be useful; his major league track record isn't quite long enough to be satisfying. All I will say is this: I don't care how many runs UZR says he saves, the way he throws terrifies me; every 4-6-3, no matter how beautiful, ends in a sidearm slider that I am convinced is going to either send Albert careening into Hee Seop Choi or bounce into the hands of a lucky fan. It works, but I don't want to look at it.
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Good to see Jess Todd up; bad to see Brian Barton, after hindsight wrecks the notion of outfield depth, traded for a guy who the Cardinals are willing to risk DFAing. Boyer's five inning crawl is the kind of move I'm fond of in Baseball Mogul, which doesn't have waiver rules or a 40 man roster—it's all too easy to abuse AAAA swingmen in blowout situations when you can toss them back over the next day.
Todd... well, in a sick way I'm hoping he looks as much like a reliever as was insisted when he was converted. It would cost the Cardinals some theoretical depth in the rotation, but I would stop wondering what might have been.
Sorry for the slim pickings; I'm going to be offline for the next week, traveling, but the VEB wheels will keep on turning. All my writing tics will return to the front page next next Tuesday; in the meantime, somebody let me know if Strasburg falls to nineteen.
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I can’t help but wonder if this is a showcase of Mr. Todd for potential suitors. Or, slightly related, a test for Todd as one of Perez or Motte or McClellan are shopped around.
Todd + Duncan + Gall + Seabol + Hart + Journell + Dove + ?? for Ryan Zimmerman? Do it yesterday!
by ajabegg on Jun 5, 2009 7:23 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm making an executive decision
and throwing in Josh Pearce and future considerations.
by DanUpBaby on Jun 5, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as we don't have to give up Carmen Cali
TRADE FOR DEROSA!!!
by Cuttah on Jun 5, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah, give 'em Cali
We have this Randy Flores kid to stabilize the left side of the pen.
by mojowo11 on Jun 5, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone here think Dunn might be available as well as Zimmerman?
I believe his contract is something like 2yrs/20mil. What pieces from the Cards could make that happen? Boggs, Perez, Wallace, Todd, Garcia? I’m not too good at this and it looks very far fetched but it’s a nice dream, no? Or would those 5 be too much? Not enough? Or maybe one of skip/dunc instead of Garcia? Either way, Washington looks completely hopeless right now. With Dunn only signed through 2010, whats the point in hanging on to him unless they really think they can turn it around by next season?
by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 8:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nats have no clue
what direction they’re going—draft? free agents? Tom Boswell at the WaPo seems to be the only one who cares what the Nats do. </aWoes Start at the Top>
It’s worth a call to see what’s up.
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by gocards62 on Jun 5, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did all this talk of Zimmerman becoming available originate?
Why would the Nationals trade their franchise player whom they just signed to a cheap contract in the middle of a fantastic offensive year?
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by azruavatar on Jun 5, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know where it came from...
but the logical reasoning would be that the return might never be higher. The Nats aren’t likely to turn things around for a couple of years, and could save some money by trading Zimm. I would think it would take WAY more than any team should be willing to trade, but I could understand making him available.
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 5, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because!
Just because.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice sig.
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by spants on Jun 5, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
it's brilliant
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, He probably is not available.
If I may be allowed to rephrase my question. Do you think the Cards have the “tradeable” personnel to make Zimmerman and Dunn available? Almost everything is for sale for the right price. One can dream can’t one? It would take a lot I know, and I like many am looking at Zimmerman because he’s a slugging 3b on a team that’s at the bottom of their division. Dunn just makes sense to me because of how unlikely it is that the Nats contend in the last year of his contract so why not save the ~17mil they’d be spending fruitlessly on him.
by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn maybe, Zimmerman No Way
The Nats may shed Dunn to save money, but Zimmerman is the face of their franchise for the next few years. They are not going to trade him even for a package of Rasmus and Wainwright.
by ubeddie on Jun 5, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they will trade him...
but they’d be stupid not to make THAT deal
by eglasier on Jun 5, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's like their Pujols
why would they trade him?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so these career numbers are as untouchable as Pujols?
347obp,471slg,286avg in 1968abs with 69 hrs.
He’s a good 3b but he’s no Pujols. I truly don’t think the guy is untouchable.
by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not saying he's as good as Pujols
but he’s their best player
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
but what makes him untouchable? I don’t get it. while his career numbers are good they’re not amazing or anything. And the Cards could offer some very good 3b prospects in return. It’s not unheard of for a last place team to trade one of their better players for a bunch of guys who could become very good in the future not to mention the cards have major league talent to offer in trade as well
by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's untouchable
…because of the current state of the Nats. I live in DC, and they’re a disaster right now. They would look like complete idiots to have finally made a positive move (signing Zimmerman) then turn around and trade him away.
I know that from a baseball sense it makes sense to explore trades. But the Nats position in DC is pretty precarious and the few fans they have would revolt if they traded away the “face of the franchise”.
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by floodOfLove on Jun 5, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They do have
another face of the franchise coming in Strasburg but I think it would be a very dumb move on their part to trade away the one bright spot of their franchise
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring" -Rogers Hornsby
by stlwcards on Jun 5, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
Even though Strasburg is descended from Titans, ancient God-Kings, and Chuck Norris, it would still be kind of a gamble to assume he’s the next face of the franchise already. He is a starting pitcher after all, sometimes they don’t pan out.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
but he already throws 145 MPH and he is going to be signed to a $102 Billion deal but hes no Bryce Harper
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring" -Rogers Hornsby
by stlwcards on Jun 5, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Lee > greater than Chuck Norris
plus he’s not a total DB like Chuck is
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*sorry
just getting sick of Chuck Norris made out to be some amazing person
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no Ctrl button on Chuck Norris' keyboard
because Chuck Norris is always in control.
I’m more of a Jean Claude Van Damme guy myself
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget Segal either
he plays guitar too
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuck him
and his guitar
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have no idea where that rage came from
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a bastard
and a polygamist, but I could go for that, too, just would want both of them to know about each other.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Jun 5, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chuck Norris has similar qualities
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kidding
he’s a douche
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chuck Norris's tears cure cancer
Unfortunately they give you AIDs
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that Chuck Norris ever cries
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
let’s say that he is 99.9% untouchable, close enough
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
respectfully, I still don't get it
player A : 261/339/462/801 ops+110 1473 career ab, cf, 28yrs
player B: 286/347/471/818 ops+113 1968 career ab, 3b, 25yrs
Player A: Traded yesterday for 3 minor league prospects (2sp,1of)
Player B: “99.9% untouchable”
Couldn’t it be more like 85% untouchable?
by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget their positions either
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I put their age and position in the comment
the age I suppose makes a small difference but not the difference between touchable and untouchable. Player A plays a more premium position.
by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One though played for the Pittsburgh Pirates
aka The Minor League System for Everyone Else
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
And the other plays for the worst team in baseball.
And all I really want to say is that I would hope a GM looking for a 3rd baseman would make the call. Even if he gets laughed at, make the call, ya know?
by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
I just realized they’re 27 and 24 respectfully. But I still don’t think it makes the difference between touchable and untouchable.
by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
player A is also a gold glove winner and a 2008 all star and has only 9 less home runs in 495 less ab than player B
by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh oh
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"gold glove" winner.
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by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
he’s like their Pujols why would they trade him?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown
Because I want them to?
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 5, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good enough.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right after this, everyone's going to talk about trading for Ian Kinsler.
All this Zimmerman talk makes about as much sense as some other SBN’s board talking about what it would take to get Pujols.
Derosa, or even Beltre, fine. But the Zimmerman banter is worthless. Why not Longoria? Or Hanley? Think we could get Greinke!?! Please.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 5, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between all of these guys...
is that they all are on teams that plan or at least hope to contend before 2011, while Washington at BEST could contend in 2011. Zimmerman is very good…but I’m not sure he’s quite as good as any of those guys.
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 5, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it makes a little more sense
for a team to think about trading ryan zimmerman than for a team to think about trading Pujols.
by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ian kinsler doesn't make sense...
The Rangers are in first place.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 5, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
These are the teams that will be trading away assets most likely
Baltimore – 8 Games Back
Kansas City – 5.5 Games Back
Cleveland – 7 Games Back
Seattle – 5.5 Games Back
Oakland – 8.5 Games Back
Florida – 7.5 Games Back
Washington – 18 Games Back
Pittsburgh – 5.5 Games Back
Houston – 7 Games Back
San Fran – 8 Games Back
San Diego – 10.5 Games Back
Arizona – 13 Games Back
Colorado – 14.5 Games Back
So why don’t we try to stick to these teams when making trade proposals
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think that...
the Royals will be making any moves to subtract from their team until right near the deadline if they’re 10-15 (or more) out. They are really trying to put it together to be a .500+ team this year.
by stlfan on Jun 5, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Balto,
whaddya think of Aubrey Huff going back to 3B for STL?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 5, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember the days
When teams could lead raids into other teams’ rosters and simply pillage their players in the night? The legendary Midnight Runners of the Bronx, and the later Windy City shanghais, the quiet renegades who were determined to protect their young talent and still improve their lot.
Then MLB started moving teams around and this trading business put an end to the marauding. Sigh.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 5, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am guilty of banging that drum that you speak of ...I quit though because I know it won't happen.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 5, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we are fans
we’re not supposed to be rational. That’s the GM’s job. If, in my mind, I can trade Duncan and Thompson for Alex Rodriguez, with the Yankees paying the bulk of his contract, then damnit, it could happen.
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know either,
but from what I read, Nate McLouth wasn’t available either and he falls into almost the same category that Zim does with the new contract and all.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except that he's a lot better
and signed for longer, and younger. But if there is any chance of picking him up, I’d trade anyone in the system minus rasmus to get him.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get that.
I’m just saying that McLouth was looked at as the main dude in Pittsburgh, was the un-questioned leader in the clubhouse and had just signed a very team friendly deal a few months ago, and was not being shopped, yet the Braves made an offer and the Pirates decided it was too good (or good enough, or whatever) to pass up.
Just because someone is young and the best player on a bad team and has a cost-controlled contract, doesn’t make him un-available whether he’s a lot better or not. Sometimes you just have to ask and I know a lot of teams are kicking themselves over assuming McLouth was un-available.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
are you saying
trade for a package of Dunn & Zimmerman? That would take a haul, but I would definitely be interested in what they would ask for. 3B of the future and a 40 HR guy behind Pujols (no matter what side he hits from) would be swell. I love living in video game world.
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's past time to bring back the T-1000 nickname for Carp
I’m surprised it’s not used here lately.
by sdrone on Jun 5, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
T-1000
Armed and ready to destroy!
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 5, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't T-1000
also the name of the crappy Pontiac version of the Chevette?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 5, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
A piece of shit hatchback
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 hour games
Thanks to baseball reference I could figure out what game this was and some of the details. Back in 2004 I went to a Cards/Astros game on July 17th. Carpenter versus Clemens. Game time: 1:59, shortest I’ve ever been to. In that game, Carpenter ALSO pitched a 3 hit complete game, except it was a shutout in that game. Clemens wasn’t too shabby either, giving up 3 runs in the 2nd then throwing blanks till he was pulled after the 7th. Cards won 3-0.
by Quel on Jun 5, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So what you're saying is
By allowing a run yesterday, Carpenter is beginning to show signs of decline.
by mojowo11 on Jun 5, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say trade him for Holliday or maybe Ibañez
Either that or trade him to somebody like the Cubs for prospects, they’re a big market team so I’ll bet their farm is stacked.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gotta jump on it while the iron is hot.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, that train has sailed, dude.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. Signs of Decline.
By 2014, he’ll be giving up 2 runs in those 1:59 games. sigh
by stlfan on Jun 5, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mozliak on the clock
Count me in as a Cards fan who sees the cup as half full; first place sounds just fine to me. I’m thinking the Birds have done an amazing job of treading water and fighting to the top in this difficult season. Check out those Cubbies if you want a cool comparison. But for all their toughness, they need some help from the front office. In my view, DeRosa is just an expensive band aid, that will cost the Cardinals dearly in young talent and bring very little to the team. I’ve heard Perez mentioned in any deal for him; that trade would be a disaster – surrendering one of the teams few real strengths. I think the Cardinals need to trade for a true impact bat to plug into the slot below the great Albert Pujols. I’m thinking someone along the lines of Beltre or Holliday.
Is Moliak up to it? Is he capable of navigating the treacherous waters of ownerships bottom line and the wiles of GM’s in Seatlle or Oakland? His job here is to limit the Cardinals damage to salary aquisition, not the surrendering of the teams young core. In some quarters, Mozliak has been given a hall pass, while ownership and TLR take the heat, but his track record is not real strong. But puting together timely deals like this is his job. It’s tough, but that’s why he gets to hold the trophy in the clubhouse on national TV. Deweydell says: get it done.
By the way, How is TLR viewed around the game? Nick Cafardo, the respected veteran baseball writer of the Boston Globe, took an informal poll of scouts, executives, players and coaches and offered a set of rankings. The top five: Tony La Russa, Terry Francona, Jim Leyland, Bobby Cox and Joe Torre. With all his warts, you’ll miss him big time when he’s gone.
by deweydell on Jun 5, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holliday is playing well over the last month+...
and Beltre’s numbers have been trending upward for the last two weeks, but I’m not sure either of them is enough of an upgrade to justify the talent and money they will cost. I’m not convinced that Beltre is
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 5, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Beltre's numbers
just think where they’d be if his numbers were trending downward. Sarcasm aside, I think acquiring Beltre is a better move than DeRosa based on the Cards taking on salary in exchange for a lesser package of players, like Skip or Duncan plus AA potential. Indians are looking to get Motte or Perez which is too much for a super utility rental.
by ubeddie on Jun 5, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My concern with letting Dunc...
or Skip go in that deal is that we then rely on Thurston to play near the same level as Skip and someone else??? to replace Duncan’s production while we pay several million dollars to Beltre and can’t quite be sure that he’s going to produce better than Thurston/Barden (is Mather back in the discussion at 3B yet?).
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 5, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did white sox fans have to do to get Beckhan called up?
would that work for Wallace. Even if he’s not 100% ready it would at least be a fun experience. And I demand entertainment!
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did nothing
The SS and 2B sucked much of the last 2 months.
by sdrone on Jun 5, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is why they will play him at 3rd?
lol 3b has sucked for them too
by FunkeeC on Jun 5, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can understand trading skip
he’s the outfielder without a home… but honestly, i’d rather they toss in ankiel
keep dunc (better hitter)
keep skip for the 4th outfielder (with some 2b duty)
slide thursty over, maybe a slice of boog…
by BirdsonFire on Jun 5, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Indians want Ankiel?
If they’re trading DeRo, it’s because they’re selling and giving up on 2009. Ankiel is a FA at the end of the year. There’s zero reason for them to ever trade for him.
by mojowo11 on Jun 5, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because!
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
besides... and if we triple dog dare them....
they have to in order to show they ain’t scared, right?
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jun 5, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you're onto something
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
indians... probably not
but we could potentially use ankiel to get an actually good 3b… instead of a halfway decent guy that plays several positions
dero is another stop gap
by BirdsonFire on Jun 5, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how does ankiel get us an "actually good" 3b that's better than derosa?
by strapping himself with dynamite and sitting next to his wife and kids, threatening to blow himself up unless the guy plays a full season for us?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
by tagging him with others
but his contract is up and i’d rather not re-sign him
by BirdsonFire on Jun 5, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is exactly why he would have very little value to other teams.
it doesn’t follow from the fact that it’s convenient to discard him that we could get something good for him.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that depends
on whether the other team would want to resign him and if they think they can do it
by BirdsonFire on Jun 5, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or they could resign him in november without trading anybody.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
clearly, you fail to understand the purpose of trades.
the purpose of trades is to allow US to dispose of declining, uninteresting, or surplus players, while taking good and useful players from other teams.
kind of like trading your empty propane canister for a full one.
brian anderson, brad thompson, and joe thurston for jason bay! who’s with me?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm in!
But only if we can also throw in Ankiel, PJ Walters, and Stav but get back Pedrioa and Bucholz. Mo, make it happen.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 5, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're undervaluing walters there:
we gotta get at least lester with him in the trade.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that comment is justa sig in the making
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jun 5, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think Holliday.....
Would be a massive upgrade over what we’ll likely get out of Ank/Duncan the rest of the year?
Don’t forget, Thurston has been arguably our 2nd best hitter this year, we may get Glaus back evenutally, and Mather is finally healthy and hitting. I really think we can fill 3B from within. The questions is, do you think Luddy is going to return to form and/or what do you think we’ll get from Ankiel/Duncan the rest of the year?
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 5, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, if I could swap out Ankiel and/or Duncan for Holliday I'd be ecstatic
Because I am pretty sure he is a better all-around player than both of those guys. There are the issues, though, of contracts, what we’d be giving up, what the actual roster/playtime ramifications would be in contrast to what would make sense to me/us, etc. etc. I ask myself “would having Holliday take at-bats from the right players or wrong players” and I’m not so confident. Maybe that’s unfair on my part.
As an aside, the fact that Holliday may very well not be as good as a lot of people think he is confuses matters and kind of skews the arguments sometimes. I am confident he’s a very good player though, and have come to terms with that.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Witht he way the roster has been handeled this year
I’d expect Holliday to end up in the middle relief core somehow.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
hahah
rec’d
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW: posted yesterday, but Holliday career home/away splits:
Home: .350/.418/.631/1.049
Away: .281/.350/.456/.805
Both samples are >1500 PAs, so I don’t think you can damn the Coors effect.
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those away numbers are not amazing.
“BA at home = OBP on the road” says a lot.
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who's gonna stop me?
Damn the Coors effect
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can..
“damn the Coors effect” you should call TLR – he could have used your skills pre-DUI.
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find
that a Bologna, cheese, hashbrown, green olive, sour cream, pepto bismol sandwich does the trick
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true but players also get a homefield advantage
that is separate from park effects (with the exception of some extreme environments — Petco I’m looking at you) so .805 is probably a little lower than should be projected.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Jun 5, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but how much?
Can’t be more than slight, no? Certainly not .240+ points of OPS. That’s the difference between Evan Longoria and Randy Winn.
Well, picking a few of my favorite hitters:
Albert:
H: .338/.434/.628/1.062 (holy sht)
A: .332/.420/.624/1.044 (holy sht)
Arod:
H: .313/.394/.595/.989
A: .298/.384/.561/.945
Miggy
H: .316/.389/.549/.938
A: .307/.376/.535/.912
Not saying my 3 cherry-picked sample is representative, but their numbers are slightly lower away, nothing like the "BA at home = OBP on the road" type disparity for Holliday. Can’t imagine discrepancy like his is anywhere near normal for someone that doesn’t play in a park with a huge (or tiny) park factor.
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True enough
but I don’t think anyone really thinks holliday is a true-talent .950 OPS guy.
He’s probably about .850, give or take. Don’t forget his road split is aritificially suppressed by having to play in Petco, San Francisco (whatever they’re calling it now) and Dodger Stadium in about half his away games, all of which are crappy stadia for hitters. Add, say, .030 for the natural home/road split of most players, add .020 for the crappy away environment he’s played in and he’s a .850 OPS guy.
.850 OPS with a glove that’s worth nearly 10 runs a year is pretty good for a corner outfielder, not great, but good. He’s a big upgrade over Dunc/Ank.
I just don’t want him because I feel he’d cost too much in prospects.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 5, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but I don’t think anyone really thinks holliday is a true-talent .950 OPS guy.
That’s where you’d be wrong, I’m afraid. Plenty of people think he’s that player, despite the Coors effect.
by mojowo11 on Jun 5, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, but the Monk was talking about rational people
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jun 5, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
About .850 sounds right
and that puts him in the company of:
2008
Raul Ibanez
Jack Cust
Xavier Nady
Pat Burrell
2009
Fred Lewis
Marlon Byrd
Denard Span
Carl Crawford
How much would you give up to rent one of those guys for four months?
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Jun 5, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have to dig up some research.
I agree that we’re not talking about more than 50 OPS pts and certainly Coors has inflated his numbers but likewise I’m not sure it’s accurate to just point at his road numbers and use it as a projection.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Jun 5, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something most people forget
is that Holliday played mostly on the road in San Fran (pitcher’s park), San Diego (pitcher’s park), and LA (pitcher’s park) along with Arizona, another hitter’s park.
If you take away his stats from NL West parks in general, here’s what his career numbers are:
In 905 AB, he has a slash line of .295/.371/.485/.856.
Also, at new Busch, he has a slash line of .385/.478/.872/1.350.
by stlfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truthfully...
no, I don’t think he’ll be a massive upgrade, unless Ank/Duncan don’t turn their current struggles around. I think he’ll be better…maybe by 1.5 wins, but I don’t think that’s worth what would likely be three SOLID prospects and $9M still owed to him.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Jun 5, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am telling you guys that Moz is going to make a deal
He is just waiting for the right one. We have a lot of guys that are going to be eligible for rule 5 draft in December so we need to clear house. Right now everyone is just asking for a top quality prospects (Wallace, D Jones, Perez, Motte). He is most likely trying to package quantity for quality without giving anyone up we really need
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's what Leach's blog
seemed to indicate.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Jun 5, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah
the voice of reason
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of the reason I'm not getting too worked up by talk of deals and DeRosa and whatnot
is that I think you’re correct—not that I came to this conclusion by myself, I just think it makes a lot of sense. I feel confident that MO will do something prudent.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you guys want to know all the guys elgible for the Rule 5 Draft
Read This
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don Tony is da man.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 5, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Barton
Gets called up on June 3rd. Enters game as pinch runner in bottom of the ninth and gets caught stealing, plays 2 innings in RF and is on deck when the game ends in the 11th. Optioned back to AAA the next day. Tough year for Crabman.
by ubeddie on Jun 5, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
almost reminds me of moonlight graham's career
by BirdsonFire on Jun 5, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If you build it
he will come
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring" -Rogers Hornsby
by stlwcards on Jun 5, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im suprised that
somebody didnt get that sooner
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring" -Rogers Hornsby
by stlwcards on Jun 5, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
feel sorry for the guy, he is kind of getting shuffled around
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's making a lot more cash than you and I combined
I don’t feel too bad for him…..
;-)
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
I feel way more sorry for myself, j/k
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
$2469 for the game
which is a lot, but not so much.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus the 402k he's making for the season
and that’s a pretty decent haul. One I’m sure Cards Fan in Chitown and I would happily split.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You two could split it in three with this guy [double thumbs to the chest]
and it would still be awesome. 400K / 3 = 133K
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not making 400k this season
You don’t make anything near that in AAA. The $2469 is the one game salary at league minimum.
He made 400K last season, though.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The $2469 is close to what his salary is per month now in AAA
It actually might be closer to $2000
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true.
If he is on the 40 man roster, he is making the major league minimum.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
source?
I’m almost certain that you don’t make the league min just for being on the 40 man. There are salary scales in the basic agreement for “first year on 40 man, second year on 40 man” etc that are 60k-ish; it wouldn’t make sense to have those negotiated if that was true.
I think he has to make at least half of what he made last year (or something like that), though.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Cots:
Brian Barton of
1 year/$0.402M (2009)
* 1 year/$0.402M (2009)
o re-signed by St. Louis 2/28/09
o acquired by Atlanta in trade from St. Louis 4/20/09
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Offense
Not a good source. It doesn’t factor in the fact he is in AAA
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
None taken, just saying he's got a ML deal
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, from Purple Row Academy's 101 on the 40-man:
Another reason for putting a prospect on the ML Reserve List (40 man) is if they are ready for the Show before their 4 or 5 year evaluation period is up, as was certainly the case for Tulo, Jeff Francis, and others. The procedure is that the major league club must purchase the contract of the prospect from his minor league team (even though they already pay his salary) so that they can sign him to a major league contract—coming with better pay, benefits, MLBPA membership, and the satisfaction of being on the fast track to the Show. For instance, as I pointed out in my Rockpile yesterday, Greg Reynolds, a member or our 40 man roster, will be paid $114,795 in the minors and $402,000 in the majors.
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
read page 12 of the CBA
major league deal only pays major league money if you are in the major leagues. Otherwise, he gets pro-rated amoutn of league min for service time in MLB and then 60k or so.
Of course, the club COULD pay him whatever they want. They are forced to pay the min, so he might be making 400k, but not necessarily.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh NOT forced to pay the min
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mlb4u.com explains it out better in their wiki
The minimum minor league salary for a player a that has at least 1 day of Major League service or has spent two years on the 40-man roster will be $62,500 in 2008 and $65,000 in 2009 and 2010. In 2011, the minimum will be $65,000 plus a cost of living adjustment, rounded to the nearest $100, provided that the cost of living adjustment does not reduce the minimum salary below $65,000.
All players on 40-man rosters whether or not they have any service time must receive a salary of at least $31,250 in 2008 and $32,500 in 2009 and 2010. The minimum in 2011 will be $32,500 plus a cost of living adjustment, rounded to the nearest $100, provided that the cost of living adjustment does not reduce the minimum salary below $32,500.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the resources..
Makes a lot more sense than having to pay every guy on the 40-man $400k. That’s $6 mil on 15 guys not on the 25 man roster, don’t know why I thought that was possible.
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. I was way wrong there.
I knew a guy that bounced up and down with the White Sox for a couple of years. He seemed to indicate that he made the minimum just for being on the 40 man. I guess I just misunderstood him.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like a cool resource, when available.
by astrostl on Jun 5, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right on Ryan
If he keeps his defense up as he has so far this year, I’d be happy with him getting on base at a .340 pace.
by sdrone on Jun 5, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hell yeah
a good defensive SS that gets on-base at a .340 clip is valuable…i guess i need to stop rolling my eyes when i see Ryan leading off…
"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." - Red Barber
Yeah, I'm a loser...
by nomar34 on Jun 5, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine if Khalil gets his head straight and comes back strong
We’ll be overrun my middle infielders!
by mojowo11 on Jun 5, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be like trading for an all-star shortstop..........
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get off my lawn.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Ricky!
Get this Lame-O out of your yard!
Hey, lame-o, get out of my yard!!!!!
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i believe that was the first movie with both coreys
by BirdsonFire on Jun 5, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't believe it.
Haim wasn’t in it.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
i thought both were in it
i don’t think their first together was lost boys
were both in liscense to drive with heather graham?
by BirdsonFire on Jun 5, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup, both were in L2D.
But, Lost Boys was their first.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boog?
I can’t think of anything about him that’s quiet.
Hopefully Wainer told his pal BB about the regular ups and downs of STL…
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 5, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what about Hank Blalock?
Rangers need relievers. He could fill in at 3rd and play some 2nd when/if Glaus gets back?
by eglasier on Jun 5, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but then, while drinking Franklins,
I will have to resort to yelling “Hank the Tank! Hank the Tank! Hank the Tank!”
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We might as well move Skippy to 3rd.
Blalock is not worth much at 3b defensively. PLUS, he rarely gets through an entire year healthy.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hank Blalock?
He of the .296 OBP? No thanks.
(Interesting fact: Blalock is hitting better away from Arlington this year.)
by mojowo11 on Jun 5, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was looking more at his
850 OPS and 117 OPS+
by eglasier on Jun 5, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitch to Pujols?
I guess Albert has shown why teams shouldn’t pitch to him. I don’t remember the last time he didn’t hit the ball hard, hit or out. You always see the hot shot right at the third baseman, but I can’t recall seeing one much harder than last night. It was catch or die, because there was no getting out of the way.
Ryan keeps this up and Al might not only stop telling him to get off his lawn, he might invite him inside for cake and coffee.
Good to see Ankiel start making solid contact at least. The ball caught at the track looked good coming off of the bat, and he’s starting to show signs of putting together some semblance of an offensive game.
Finally, after 20 days of growth, I am finally to the point, where a little just for men facial hair dye, can transform my upper lip into a mustache…just in time for a coed softbal tournament this weekend.
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
"a little just for men facial hair dye"
This made me laugh.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 5, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not only does it take me about a month for solid growth
it comes in too light to see without the proper angle and good lighting.
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel your pain STL
I’m 31 years old, and every deer season, I take two weeks off work and quit shaving. People generally look at me and laugh, as my mustache grows in blonde, my goatee grows in a light-reddish color, and my beard grows in brown. It’s quite a sight.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're my facial hair twin!
Except I only have like 65 facial hairs.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so your like a human calico cat?
(even though there are no male calico cats)
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not true
about one in every three thousand cali’s are male. this happens because they posses the two x and one y chromosomes necessary, but it also makes them sterile.
(I’d like to genetics 342 for that useless piece of info, you’ve finally paid off)
HE SAID WITH A SMIRK
by Dave Barry on Jun 5, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to “thank”, face in palm.
HE SAID WITH A SMIRK
by Dave Barry on Jun 5, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you could have had a V8
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Jun 5, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had one of those cats
I’d name his Laynce.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you would name him laynce
or name his laynce something seperate. Cause that’s kind of disturbing
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. I think my face in palm is even better than Dave Barry's!
Anyway, I’d name him Laynce. Not that it matters anymore.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks to Physics
I will always remember that gravity is 9.8 m/s2
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speed of light
3.0 × 10^8 m/s
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(the gravity part that is)
the speed of light (in a vacuum) is also 3.0 × 10^8 m/s in other locations!
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 5, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, we have a base-10 system.
The more advanced of us on this planet use the metric system for everything possible.
Why in the he** can’t we change our measurement of time to a base-10 measurement system too?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is in Vernor Vinge’s more recent sci-fi books: kilosecs and megasecs are their standard references for time. But this is for people that live on ships that don’t revolve near a sun, so who needs days n’ shit.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Jun 5, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you a socialist???
In all seriousness, I think that’s an overblown issue. Nobody clamors for a base-10 system of measuring angles. The real deal math folks are fluent in radians, for crying out loud, and measuring things in radians is like Greek to most folks. I think the English vs. Metric thing is only such a big problem because there are two common systems. Everybody forgets which is which sometimes, even NASA.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
With hilarious and expensive consequences.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Jun 5, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup!
Not so smart now, are you ya bunch of nerds!
Ahem. I mean. J/K?
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
brian barton -- now 700 miles closer to NASA.
coincidence?
perhaps he can help them out some in his spare time. prevent those kinds of silly errors.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard a rumor that the NASA guys are still using OPS+ and RZR
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's a pretty short drive from the Alabama base.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woo Huntsville!
My hometown got (sort of) a shoutout on VEB! 3 hours from ATL!
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never use the English system anymore
I pretty much exclusively use the Metric system
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well you can take your fancy meters and go to France!
because I love America damnit! it’s 90 ft to first base, not 27.6923 meters!
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder
if baseball would work at all if the dudes who invented it used 30M instead of 90 feet to first base. So much of what we take for granted would change; almost no one would be able to steal, there’d be almost no infield hits, etc.
A lot more balls would get through the infield, though.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And would that have an effect on the outfield dimensions as well?
And smaller homerun totals, more doubles, harder defense, etc etc etc?
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cue the Lee Greenwood
…cause I’m proud to be an American, where at least I know…how far the fence is
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the signs on the outfield in Toronto still throw me off
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
papelbon hates pitching there.
he thinks it’s so unfair to have to pitch in a stadium where the walls are only a hundred or so feet away from home.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
bigger douche
Papelbon or Braun?
I’m voting Papelbon X 8
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by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely papelbon
the tiebreaker is that only Ryan Braun looks exactly like a silent film star.
by DanUpBaby on Jun 5, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mostly related
american and british auto manufactures use both metric and standard hardware on their models, which can be very frustrating. I only bring this up to show how far away we are from standardizing one system.
HE SAID WITH A SMIRK
by Dave Barry on Jun 5, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
same age
but it comes in as blond, brown, white, and gray
by BirdsonFire on Jun 5, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Color scheme? Yes. Coverage? Much Better.
I have dirty blond / light brown hair and a mostly red beard, with blond, brown, and black hairs just for fun. But I’ve been rocking the full playoff-style beard for 6 months now. A little light on the cheeks, but thick & lustrous for the Van Dyke, jawline & neck.
If I didn’t have to resort to hair coloring, I would love to copy my beard color scheme to my scalp.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on Jun 5, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mascara. Lengthens AND broadens!
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Jun 5, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will have to raid my wife's makeup bag and see what I can do
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by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Risk - A game of world domination played
By people who can’t manage their own lives…
by OCCardsFan on Jun 5, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
its really all about kamchatka
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
by themanthemyth on Jun 5, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To continue my pronunciation nitpicking from yesterday...
Can anybody tell me how Laynce Nix’s name is actually pronounced? I have been assuming it is pronounced like “Lance” but have yet to hear his name said on the radio because my ability to pay close attention to the games lately has been wanting (not from lack of desire, just real life stuff like, say, a six month old daughter taking priority).
I am dubious that it could actually be pronounced the way it is spelled, unless it is based on some sort of archaic French variant of Lance, or something like that. When I read it I can barely bring myself to pronounce it “Lance” even though I am pretty sure that is how it is supposed to be spelled. I can deal with unconventional spellings up to a point, because usually they at least make sense phonetically. When the unconventional spelling doesn’t even make sense when sounded out I have to draw a line in the sand.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Said like Lance
his parents just wanted to show how happy they were to have a boy, and inserted his Y chromosone into his name. Which makes me think; Do I change my future son’s name from Blaine to Blayne? After writing that out, definitely not.
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the Y chromosome story true?
Because if it is that’s pretty hilarious. I still stand by my statements though.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's true in my mind of made up information
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just as good
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's all the truth I need
TRADE FOR DEROSA!!!
by Cuttah on Jun 5, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The upside of having a Blaine is that he will make the major leagues...
The downside is that after 2 semi-frustrating years, he will be released by two of the best organizations in baseball and probably be claimed by the Nationals.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blaine was my dad's middle name
so I was thinking it before I had even heard of Blaine Boyer, luckily I don’t think people will remember Blaine Boyer by the time he has friends, so his name won’t be too tarnished.
In hopes that TLR is still managing somewhere in 20 years, I am planning on training him to be a swtich hitting 2B
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the grit
gotta have that extra high grit factor.
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 5, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep..
make sure your wife gives birth in a sandbox. Then little Blaine will be born into grit.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to make him sprint to the bottle
when it’s time for a feeding
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Once he gets there
make him dive head first.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
don't most of them do that anyway?
maybe once he crowns I’ll yell “SAFE” and give the safe sign in the delivery room
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should call him "out"
so he starts to develop a tough skin and never ever takes anything for granted.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I plan to train my son of the future
To be a field goal kicker. Not a flashy position in sports at all but one in great demand. Should at least get him a college scholarship
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna go the Long Snapper route.
Takes basically zero athletic ability and isn’t all that difficult to teach.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
I was a long snapper
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was too in high school
and quit because I hated playing on the line. Now I look at a guy like Chris Massey and kick myself.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel ya
I hated being on the O Line playing center. I got tired of some dude shoving his hands next to my balls every day while I am looking between my legs.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always said that if I could do it all over again
I would start training to be a place kicker in grade school and get a full ride to Hawaii and then see what happens from there.
that or, how does one go about becoming a bullpen catcher? has to be the best job ever.
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullpen catcher sucks.
Thats a shitty job. You friggin’ squat all day and catch…and catch…and catch….
Not fun.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what they make
but I guarantee it’s a heck of a lot more than most of us make. Put a sponge in your glove and hang out with all the goof balls in the bullpen. where do I sign up
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by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hip flask in your pocket is the most important part
of that uni.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't think its much.
Plus, I’d think the life of the job would be pretty short. Really hard on the knees and I doubt they’d be interested in you once you had to have your knees fixed once. There’s always some schmuck who will do that shit for peanuts and doesn’t care if he destroys his knees.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that'd be me
besides, those knee saver things make a huge difference
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by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peyton Manning's backup
Best job in the world
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you still have to know the playbook
and that’s just a little too much reading for me
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by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always felt Tom Moore had the best job in sports.
He was the offensive coordinator for the Colts (just realized he retired) and his whole job consisted of him calling play and then standing there while Peyton Manning changed the play and then scored a touchdown.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought
he gave peyton a bundle of plays and Peyton picked which one out of those, and then audibled if needed?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Peyton did whatever the hell he wanted out there.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure it's "Lance"
but remember that this is a guy whose brother is named Jayson (Jason). Their family loves the superfluous “y”.
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 5, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot about that actually
Again, Jayson is totally fine with me because it makes sense. Laynce is too much of a stretch for me. Therefore, he and his entire family are bad bad people and suck at life. Phew. I feel better now.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you say it lance
only you need to make sure everyone hears the uncertainty in the middle. It’s really more a Laa?nce.
by DanUpBaby on Jun 5, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahah . That is EXACTLY the way it was pronounced on the MLB recap video
on the Cards website.
by sdrone on Jun 5, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And exactly how I have been pronouncing it in my head
Well done, Mr. Up.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's how I say it to
Or I just go full out I’m-kidding-about-this-voice and call him “LAAAAYYYYYYYYNCE!” It’s easier that way.
by mojowo11 on Jun 5, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the unnecessary Y
his brother has the same issue.
I’m guessing it’s a family tradition. kinda like giving kids names that start with the same letter.
by _pistol_ on Jun 5, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's also having a much better year than usual
not that it means anything.
by TheBirds on Jun 5, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a general question of the VEB community.
Todd is here, and will promptly destroy us all, so that makes most of this post pretty much useless.
I’m going to ask anyway.
We all pretty much agree that a trade of some sort is needed to upgrade the offense. OK, let’s look at it by position.
1b – Unless we can move Albert to another position and replace his production with that of Babe Ruth or Barry Bonds in his roid-rage prime, not gonna happen.
2b – You know, I think this may be an overlooked spot. I don’t know who is out there on the 2b market (Ill look on MLBtraderumors), but we COULD theoretically upgrade at 2b, dump Ank or Dunc, and move Skippy back to the OF. He is an upgrade with the glove and bat (right now) in LF. So, we could possibly trade for a 2b, and upgrade both the 2b position and the OF.
3b – Obviously the position with the big neon sign above it sayng “PLEASE find somebody!!!” Personally, since we are still above .500 and it’s early, I would love to give Joe Mather a try at 3b now that he seems to be healthy. If he doesn’t pan out, then we can look to fill that hole.
SS – The emergence of BRyan seems to have helped a ton here, as I am counting Greene as a lost cause. I don’t think there is much out there that would play defense as good as Ryan and still upgrade the offense. If there is, why not go for it?
OF – I have a hard time believing that we cannot find 3 guys that can hit from among the 37 outfielders we have right now. Unless we can really get a big-name star to hit behind or in front of Albert, I think we try to mix and match as well as we can with our current parts.
C – Yadi is there and not moving any time soon. Pornstache isn’t going anywhere either.
So, if I’m not missing anything, it looks to me like 2b, ss, and 3b make the most sense.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Skip might currently be an upgrade in LF
but even if he keeps doing what he’s doing, is that good enough for what a LF should do?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Mark Loretta?
He could play a competent 2b or 3b, he’s right-handed, and his OBP is always around .350. He is currently riding the pine for the Dodgers. He shouldn’t cost too much to get.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know enough about him
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by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen him play...
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahah
nice. Have you seen what that Gary Sheffield character is doing for the Mets this year?
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.269/.406/.472
Consistent
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Mets are really just one bat and one arm away from being a contender.
I won’t say they are a great team, but if they can add a cositent player or two to lead the clubhouse everyday they have a chance at making the playoffs.
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But nobody can cosistenly carry that team like Sheff
I think pitching is going to be very important this year down the stretch. Davey Concepcion belongs in the Hall of Fame.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, thats a statement from you.
Since I know you don’t like commenting on players who belong in the HOF, considering your status as president of the veterans committee.
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all about concetration
You’re right, a bat, an arm, ‘concetration’, and focus.
And Gary Sheffield.
I know whom to call for a hole in my roof or a whole new roof.
by lightbulb on Jun 5, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They just need a pitcher with a good slide piece
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Joe Morgan's All-time Lineup
1. Joe Morgan 2B
2. Pete Rose 3B
3. Willie Mays CF
4. Barry Bonds LF
5. Tony Perez 1B
6. Gary Sheffield RF
7. Johnny Bench C
8. Davey Concepcion SS
9. Slidepiece P
Reserves: Robinson Cano, Hustle, Cositency, 1972, Just for Men
Manager: Frank Robinson
Bench Coach: Sparky Anderson
GM: Billy Beane (just kidding; Joe Morgan)
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do these batters hit with sufficiently open stances?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only if they cosistenty cocetrate, of course
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw loretta
why don’t we just go get Durham or Grudz? They’re both free, and, last time I checked, unlike Skip, they’re above replacement level.
We could probably add 1-2 wins right now by picking one of them up, giving them the 2B job, and moving schu back to LF.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 5, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned Durham about a month ago
and had my head handed to me. Still think either of these guys would make sense.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 5, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
He’s such a perfect fit right now that there must be a reason why he hasn’t been called, imho.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think we have plenty of LH middle infielders IMO
you think he is really gonna outplay Thurston at 2B?
by FunkeeC on Jun 5, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Durham is RHB
Well, switch. And the age is certainly an issue.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His stance that he won't go anywhere as a bench player doesn't help
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we get a 2B who hits like a LF
does that help? I’m not a big fan of assigning certain types of hitters to certain positions.
by stlhulsey on Jun 5, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's fine
I just assume that it would be easier to find a LF who hits like a LF than a 2B who hits like a LF, i just want some runs. Even after winning last night, i wasn’t too impressed offensively, outside of Pujols. bases loaded 0 out = 0 runs…I felt like a cubs fan
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
serious question
would thursty and boog be an upgrade at second if we can get a real thirdbaseman while moving skippy back to the outfield (4th man)??
by BirdsonFire on Jun 5, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who plays SS with boog at 2B?
I’d guess it’d have to be Thursty and Barden at 2B, boog at ss.
And to answer your question, yes. If Schu had hit like he has this two months, and was playing a corner outfield spot (with his career UZR) he’d be worth more than half a win. As it is, he’s played at 2B, and was below replacement level last time I checked…
He definitely passes the eye-test defensively in terms of his basic skills and ability to turn the double, but his range is terrible. I’m in favour of a back to the OF…
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 5, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you forget that Dunc and Ank or Tony's pets
they will not be dumped
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*are
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn, did y'all see the Pirates players response to McLouths trade?
theyre not happy. at all.
by longhornscardinals on Jun 5, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Link?
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's one
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4233488
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 5, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Lord
On Thursday, at the clubhouse table where McLouth used to play cards with relievers Sean Burnett and Jesse Chavez, a candle bearing McLouth’s uniform No. 13 was lit, along with a photo of him in uniform, the Post-Gazette reported. “We’ll miss him,” Burnett said.
You’d think he’d died or something, that’s kinda creepy if you ask me
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's hilarious.
Gallows humor!
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the joke
I thought it was funny.
by mojowo11 on Jun 5, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“There ain’t a guy in here who ain’t [ticked] off about it,” said first baseman Adam LaRoche
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"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing the didn't ask McCuthen then.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, McCutchen loaned McClouth
his copy of The Ghost Whisperer Season 3. He’s mad as hell he’s not getting it back.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 5, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
you would think the Pirates would be used to this by now
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was still a damned good trade.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Jun 5, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could we put a package together for
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by gocards62 on Jun 5, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He just seems like a guy that would prosper under LaRussa
Even though the Angels have been jerking him around. He would not come cheap at all.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is a comp for wood? what would they be looking for?
i can’t imagine we’re in the running.
if the sawx with their neck-deep farm and profound need for an SS can’t lure him away, i doubt we can put together a better package. funny, because the comp i think of is hanley for josh beckett.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Hanley quality
And don’t need Josh Beckett. A young starter though like Jonathan Sanchez of the Giants would seem appropriate. It matters if the Angels are buyers or sellers. I can’t see them selling though. What they need is offense not pitching. Duncan would probably be a starting point plus two more quality prospects.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would guess they more likely trade to make room for him -- chone?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They like Chone more than they like Wood
But Chone is also a FA next year
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how much wood would a wood...
How are they at 1B? How does this guy rate vs. Wallace? Would it be straight up? Wallace for Wood and others? Wallace and others for Wood?
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by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't we already have him?
and his name is Tyler Greene?
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, No
Tyler Greene is not as good as Brandon Wood.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I don't think Brandon Wood is very good to begin with
So, I still don’t see the reason to acquire him as opposed to playing Greene instead.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Wood vs Tyler Greene
Wood’s avg at AAA the last 2 years .967 OPS vs around .700-.725 OPS for Tyler Greene
Wood’s bat is not and day better than Greene’s
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not and day?
do I say that like Naught and Day?
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by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do the Angels
actually consider him a viable option at SS. I have heard many times that he will end up at 3B.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Jun 5, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, B. Wood can play 3B
We could do worse than have both on the left side of the infield.
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by gocards62 on Jun 5, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really haven't figured out why they haven't gotten at bats for him
on a consistent basis. Maybe it’s just not Sciosa’s style to spread at bats around. I think he’s more a “start the same guys every day” like we wish some other, ahem, coaches were.
by sdrone on Jun 5, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they played him a ton down the stretch last year
since they were desperate for two middle infielders to emerge and he put up a line of .256, .270, .430, .700 and struck out 22 times while walking only twice.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it does matter
But FWIW, Wood hit .322/.375/.644/1.019 in spring training. I’m not sure what he has to do to get a look.
by mojowo11 on Jun 5, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I knew where to find Spring Training numbers
I’d throw up Khalil Greene’s numbers right here…
but I don’t…….so, we’re just gonna have to use our imaginations. ;-)
And FWIW, in limited time this year (9 ABs) Wood has good numbers with the big club (.333, .400, .333, .733). Granted I wouldn’t want to base anything off of this 9 big league at bats (10 PA), and his ST numbers, but it might show improvement. Then again, it might not.
But, it would be fun to make the statement that he’s sacrificing his power (0 HR) to improve his OBP (1 BB). Heh…
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mlb.com has them under 'stats.'
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, thanks.
Never noticed that tab (or whatever it’s called) before. I was looking for past ST stats a month or so ago and had a devil of a time.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
K bot batted
.408/436/.535 in spring training with 17 RBI’s and 1 HR in 71 AB’s
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring" -Rogers Hornsby
by stlwcards on Jun 5, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
K Bot was unlucky this season
He has a very low BABIP of .221. Unfortunately he was also mentally unstable. He couldn’t just accept that baseball is a long season with up’s and downs.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW that line scared me: no walks, no power, all average.
by astrostl on Jun 5, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
those RBI #'s extrapolated(did i just make a word up?) over a full season
would give him 119-120 RBI. no wonder he started the season in the cleanup spot
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought we were done with the damn holliday trade talk?
stop it. the Zimmerman stuff is a PD Board special as well. that doesn’t belong here either.
and no more Hank the Tank talk either. his shoulder is about as good a shape as Rolen is.
have a good trip Dan. who’s filling in for you? i hope it’s not that one dude that filled in for you once already. ever since he did, the team forgot how to hit. he’s got some bad joojoo.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
since you bring him up
think we can be indian givers and take Rolen back in place of Glaus’ medical bills?
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by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that might be the only move MO could make that would make TLR retire
hummmmmmm,,,,,,,,
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
would we also be indian givers
if we traded for DeRosa and gave them prospects?
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by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's got to be one ot the top 10 nightmares for TLR
bringing back both ARay & Rolen. i might drink a bottle of wine at dinner each night too if i was him & that was one of my dreams
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ARey?
He said DeRosa, or am I missing something?
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was trying to make the circle complete
he brought up getting back Rolen from the Jays so i lumped in bringing ARey from the Tribe.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Rey didn't cross my mind until I hit post
but Rolen is actually doing something productive and, as we all know, plays stellar D
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by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
adam kennedy anybody?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we're goin crazy
let’s just try to trade the entire farm system for Jason Bartlett and Evan Longoria. clean house.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i proposed we develop community guidelines for trade suggestions.
it feels like the damn hot stove season in here. and it’s making me way too cranky.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the offense is making me cranky
causing all this hullabaloo
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lack of sleep & caffeine along with a crappy O makes gdm a very cranky boy
i think tom is onto something. i don’t know how you would enforce it, or make it happen, but it’s worth a shot.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt it's enforceable. i'm sure the only thing the mods would like less than
“lets trade duncan for evan longoria” threads is sorting through 5000 comments flagged for “stupid.”
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear the Mets are trying to figure what to do with Reyes out
B. Ryan, Thurston, Duncan for David Wright?
ok, sorry, I’m done now
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by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only if they throw in Santana
Dunk is a 40-40 man waiting to happen!
damnit! i’m infected too!
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also if the mods could combine about half of the fan posts that'd be swell
they are all basically beating this subject to death
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe just one big fanpost at the top that says:
“what the cardnals rilly need is a major league BAT that can actually make sum RBIs and not these AAAA guys who all hit .250 and if we have goood fieldering at third sometimes we can afford to play matt holliday there sometimes too because it all balances out and he has a fielding percentage of .979 anyway so he’s a good defender and could probably play third base and i dont see why the cardinals can’t trade mitch boggs for ryan zimmerman straight up and also i don’t think rasmus is so hot he is only hitting .250 too i’m sik offaberge eggs and trade him for adam dunn plz and kinsler hanram brian roberts and HOMERUNS!!!! is what we need to give albert some protecshun and voices talk in my head and i write down what they say well that was brian burwell there acshully and i think we need to play for the world seres and not just to finish third and im sik of the frontoffice just saving its money and matt holilday. also.”
then below there’s a caption that says “do you agree? yes or no.” and if you click yes it send you to espn.com.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
feel better?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was probably Peter Gammons...
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 5, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A rec for you ...
and I think I know that guy.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 5, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, what is wrong with going after Loretta?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
because we have two second basemen who hit better than him.
one of them is defensively equal to loretta and is just playing at third.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
too old and his bat ain't big enough.....
I know….. “That’s what she said”
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jun 5, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny stats
Apparently, the Cards are 8-0 on Thursdays – reminds me of Lohse’s day/night splits last year…
Link
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
by BVHeck on Jun 5, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice anti-reverse- jinx.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't worry
i’ve logged his post in my memory banks…
by BirdsonFire on Jun 5, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone is bored, I put up a new blog post
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 5, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
that's about what my blog is turning into
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"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem is that there is so little Cardinals stuff
out there that it really wouldn’t interest very many people here.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 5, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for the 1968 series on there
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much obliged
I put that poll up to see what kind of traffic I get.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 5, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should
just get sitemeter.
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by spants on Jun 5, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I put that on my blog
and it seemed like it was getting a lot of hits, but then it stopped working. now if I put up a new one, it will not be correct
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Virginia/Ole Miss Super Regional on ESPN2...
The play-by-play guy sounds just like our beloved Dan McLaughlin…that’s him isn’t it? Is that why we had Horton last night?
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jun 5, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Go Hoos!!!
playing for their first trip to Rosenblatt.
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by gocards62 on Jun 5, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Go Rebs...
One of my really good friends plays 3rd base for Ole Miss, so I turned it on and was surprised to hear Dan. Too bad he can’t bitch about maple bats…
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jun 5, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
from another ’Hoos fan/grad.
youneverknow
by floodOfLove on Jun 5, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's definitley him.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and here i thought he needed the day off because of his new twins
i wonder why Fox is letting him work for the WWL?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering the same thing.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe this is the end of an era
Have Dan & AL called their last game together
I will be really pissed if after all this bitching, they fire the wrong guy!
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jun 5, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ricky just said he's only filling in for Dan
so maybe the band is still together.
there is still no fucking way i’m watching FSNMW tonight. i hate the Rocks guys, but they have to be better than Ricky & AL. they can’t be worse.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they dont
necessarily set the bar very high
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring" -Rogers Hornsby
by stlwcards on Jun 5, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So are we going to try to keep Boyer?
Also can they pull him back from the DFA or he basically now has to be traded, released, or agree to be sent to the minors?
Also if he is put on waivers do we lose him or have to work out a trade?
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 5, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if anyone wants him
they get him… if not, and he agrees to it, he goes to the minors I think
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite
if someone claims him they can pull him back. Only once though. If they DFA him again and he gets claimed, then he’s gone. I’m pretty sure that’s how it goes.
Although, I doubt anyone will take him.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought by DFA'ing him, they have 10 days to decide what to do:
1. Trade
2. Release
3. Place on irrevocable waivers
No?
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is waivers
I don’t think DFA’s are revocable waivers (can pull back) I think they are irrevocable(can’t pull back)
Because than anytime you needed a short term slot for less than 7 days you could than just DFA someone than just pull them back
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wiki is the best for that kind of stuff.
that’s where i’ve found all my answers on esoteric rules of baseball contracts and procedures.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read a footnote somewhere that said..
..if you DFA someone the corresponding move can’t be to recall someone on optional assignment. How is that going to impact our moves?
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is an optional assignment?
Boyer is removed from the 40 man roster right now
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They purchased Todd's contract
So I think we can do anything now.
by Glowsticks on Jun 5, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have 7 days to trade him
Than he goes through waivers, If anyone claims him they get him for free (someone will)
If he passes through waivers than he can be sent to the minors BUT…
He can also object and choose to be a free agent instead
So he is not coming back to this team in any form. He is better than some guys on the Nationals bullpen
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless I think Boyer is going to be traded
His FIP of 4.35 is not great but is not horrible either. Everyone knows that the Nationals would pick him up off waivers since they have the worst bullpen in baseball and also have the first shot off waivers to claim him. So they DFA him to jump start trades for him since everyone knows in 10 days he will be gone.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to be optimistic
and take it as a sign of an impending trade
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the only way it makes sense. At least I hope.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 5, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lied...
I said I wouldn’t bang on the Z Man drum anymore but,
Who thought Miguel Cabrera would be available a few years back? I know he wasn’t signed to a team friendly contract but didn’t he still have a few cost controlled years left at the time?
Also I have finally calmed down enough to say that I am glad we passed on a second 1 baseman and an emotionally challenged left handed pitcher.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 5, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two Words
Florida Marlins
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still better than this one word...
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 5, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you mean Natinals?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per HCWDB
Milwaukee Brewers outfielder Ryan Braun is launching a line of douche-wear. For when Ed Hardy isn’t scrotey enough.
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
link
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Those shirts are awful looking
they look like the side of an airbrushed van
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring" -Rogers Hornsby
by stlwcards on Jun 5, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe the irony kids will get into it
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if they had a
Wolf on it
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with lightning of course
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a Wolf fighting a Narwhal
With lighting in between them while a Unicorn stands on top of the mountain ledge above them
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out of this whole list
the wizard hat got me.
Rec’d.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(vomit)
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 5, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I felt that way too, spants
That link was chock full o’ douche.
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 5, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it’s amazingly lame on so many levels
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we already talked about this the other night
not to be all douchey, but we did. there was even a pic.
of course i guess me being douchey is appropriate considering who the subject is
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, I wasn't around and just saw the link on HCWDB
(douchebag)
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can you be a full fledged douche if you don't dress the part?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goold via twitter
Tyler Greene up and starting at shortstop. Kyle Lohse goes on the 15-day DL to make room on active roster.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
huh
kinda weird decision there imo
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying he's being showcased OR
we’re gonna sit Ryan now that he doesn’t suck offensively so that we can keep his stats up and trade HIM! hehehe.
by sdrone on Jun 5, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I think it’s the case of playing the better SS. I like Boog and his slick glove, but Tyler is the better player. He has a very good bat and can slap leather with the best of them.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 5, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
T Greene at SS and Ryan at 2B perhaps.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
INDEED!
1. Brendan Ryan, 2B
2. Rick Ankiel, CF
3. Albert Pujols, 1B
4. Ryan Ludwick, RF
5. Nick Stavinoha, LF
6. Yadier Molina, C
7. Brian Barden, 3B
8. Adam Wainwright, P
9. Tyler Greene, SS
Ankiel against the Lefty instead of Colby. Holy fucking shit.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well it's not like Colby's hitting
or anything —/sarcasm
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by gocards62 on Jun 5, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel against "fill-in-the-blank" instead of Colby = Holy fucking shit
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
don't get greedy
not playing Schumaker against a lefty is enough for its own minor feast day. Ankiel still has his lefty-capable rep, and if they’re going to play him—and they are—they might as well do it when the difference between Rasmus and Ankiel at this very moment is less drastic.
by DanUpBaby on Jun 5, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that really tonights line up?
what more does Colby have to do to start over Rick? he does everything Rick does, only he does it hell of a lot better. Rick can’t buy a hit right now, he’s swinging out of his shoes & is as automatic of an out as they come, his last two worthless doubles not with standing. all the while Colby is just starting to get his grove on. logic & reason say you ride the hot hand & play the better player.
but i almost forgot who were are talking about here. logic & reason go out the window when it comes to Tony’s man crush on one Dick Ankiel.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean it could be worst I guess
Ankiel could be Delmon Young who is on pace to be a NEGATIVE 6 win player.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that just sounds way to reasonable
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree w/ your logic
since Tony will play ankiel over Colby it might as well be vs a lefty. Ankiel sucks vs everyone and since Colby hit rh pitching better than lh this is better than starting Ankiel over Colby vs a RH
by kalmavet on Jun 5, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hate the Ankiel part,
but damn, I do love watching me some TGreene/Ryan at SS/2B. They are fun to watch.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 5, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been asking for that for a while now.
not here, mind you, but Cards Fan in Chitown can attest to my pining.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if Greene is being showcased then...
we can start to put the pieces of a trade together.
Greene, Todd/Perez/Motte, etc…
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 5, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is the idea coming from that bringing a player up is "showcasing" him for a trade?
Why can’t scouts see these guys at AAA? Instead, here’s an idea:
Todd was brought up because he’s a better reliever than Boyer. Ergo, he’s going to help the Cards win more games than Blaine. Being the last guy in an 8-man pen gets you DFA’d sometimes. That’s what happens when you’re a fungile commodity (i.e. a RH reliever who can’t quite put it together and who’s already been DFA’d by another team).
Greene was brought up because he was the best infielder at Memphis and can play for Thursty while he’s gone.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 5, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know. I was just following a thought...Your right. They are probably up because we need them.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 5, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see us showcasing Greene
Because he fills a need that we have a shortage at SS
Now Todd on the other hand is where we have a surplus at. Todd didn’t even need to be on 40 man next year so he was brought up before we had too. I think Kinney would of been better than Boyer if we were just looking to replace someone
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree -
I don’t think we’re trading Greene because I think he’s going to be the starting SS next year. Ryan is a fine utility/backup guy or RH’d platoon option at 2b, but that’s it. Greene can hit 15hrs and steal 20 bases. If he can cut down on his K’s (a big if but he’s made progress this year), he’s legit.
I also agree that we have RH-relief surplus (unfortunately, probably the least valuable commodity in baseball). But, again, I’m fine with a Franklin, KMac, Motte, Perez, Todd, Reyes, MIller (ugh, only against lefties please) bullpen. Looks good to me. If we trade one (preferably Perez IMO), fine, use Kinney/Thompson or whoever in that last slot.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 5, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right about RH relief have low value except ...
During the actual season when a team is most desperate for it. Plus, these guys are cost controlled for 4 more years at least after this season. So they are cheap too
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't the Nats trade Dunn to Boston? He is so a DH. Ortiz seems like he is done unless it is just his vision.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 5, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tony is still fantasizing about a big bat
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's what carmella said?
fanook.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least this year it's warranted
Last year, it was a little ridiculous, but this year we’re lucky if we score 3 runs and there’s basically no guarantee Glaus returns before September. Now, I’m not really sold on getting a corner outfielder (although Ank and Dunc are doing their best to convince me we need one) but we desperately need a third baseman since we can’t magically combine Barden’s glove with Thurston’s bat (and I’m not entirely excited about having that hybrid either, but it’s better than nothing).
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT -- glad you're back. sounds like you had a tough time a while back & we weren't
hearing from you. i hope all is okay.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
yeah, I had a tough time for a little while but was extremely busy too. High school baseball takes up a ton of time in the spring.
I’d read all the daily posts but by the time I was able to get into the comments, they’d already be at about 400 comments so I’d just stay out. One benefit is I’ve got a full compliment of FLAGS just burning a hole in my pocket……
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll do my damnest to help you use those
welcome back
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FLAGGED!!!!!
(language)
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sic
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder who it will be...
I think something will be done in the very near future
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or will it be a pitcher?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it'll be a bat.
Pitching is fine for the time being (hoping with all my might Piniero is good to go….and not in the sense that Lohse was good to go), but this offense is giving me an ulcer.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lohse ain't fine, apparently
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you're right
we need to do something about scoring some runs first
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
And by the way, why does anyone expect Glaus, IF he comes back, to be at all useful with the stick? It’s a lost year for him, period.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 5, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rotowire bit on Lohse says
“Expect Lohse to miss far more than the 15 days.” WTF?
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 5, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't like that box.
It never has anything good to say.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what???
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The money quote from Strauss' write-up on ths issue:
The condition likely will sideline the hard-luck righthander significantly longer than the minimum 15 days, according to a club source.
That doesn’t sound good.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jun 5, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't it seem
ridiculously unlucky for us that Lohse’s main perk was durability and as soon as we sign him to a long term contract that he has this kind of freak injury
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring" -Rogers Hornsby
by stlwcards on Jun 5, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you even surprised by it anymore?
It saddens me that I’m not. It sucks…
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Jun 5, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
you think with this one guy we could avoid the injuries… but it sure didn’t happen. maybe these guys are actually trying too hard?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he has to get injured i'd rather have this kind of injury.
it was engendered by a HBP. which may mean that there’s nothing wrong with his pitching, his ligaments and labrum aren’t fraying, etc.
it could be that the HBP just set off an already existing problem but i’m hopeful he’ll make a recovery.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's probably just
inflammation. Nerve inflammation, that is.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 5, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paying for durability
Can, ironically, be as risky as anything. Mostly because it is pretty much an illusion when it comes to pitching. At least when someone has a history you can bake that into the cake when it comes to dollars and years of contract. But this whole thing is ridiculously flukey, so not necessarily the best case to support what I am saying.
On a separate note, how does this turn from “He’s going to start any day” for a couple weeks to “He’s going to be out a long long time” now? Is there a medical staff that misses more diagnoses than ours? I’d hate to think there is. I don’t believe anything I hear about this stuff anymore. I just wait until I see them play, and they wait to see if they hold up to make their next appearance.
by Merry CRasmus on Jun 5, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's pretty much what I am wondering
maybe they are going to play it safe with him and showcase some young starters.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember how much COL paid for Hampton's "Durability" ?
Perfect example of why there is no such thing as a “sure bet” for pitching.
by DriverZn on Jun 5, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it probably has as much to do
with the team culture of grit as anything. I think TLR gets most of the blame for this, not the medical staff.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Jun 5, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MO said this moring he could be out a month
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shit
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Lord? Why?
Does every other team have this many problems keeping players on the field?
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 5, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but I think the Cardinals have a unique combination of injury proneness and extremely vague injuries. I expect the official press release to attribute Lohse’s injury to disrupted arm humors and call for a reevaluation some time in August.
by DanUpBaby on Jun 5, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doc panetta's bleeding should clear up the excess of bilious humours.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
worst part is
most of the cards injuries happen to valuable players… other teams I think it’s more evened out
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have some friends who beg to differ.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
I shoulda said most other teams ;)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can they really be counted as a team?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
team?
how bout friends
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds, Miles, Taguchi, etc
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Anakin Skywalker still your friend when he turned into Darth Vader?
I like to think not
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Taguchi never made the team
I like to tell my self he purposefully tanked it just so he wouldn’t have to wear those pajamas they call uniforms.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he's in their minor league system
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
crud...I thought they released him.
Though he’s only played in 12 games spreading them out between April 11th and yesterday. Wonder what’s up? Although looking at his stats, I think I’ll stick with my original assumption but they just haven’t released him yet.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Total misuse and bastardation of the word "friends".
FLAGGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
like i said.
good to have you back.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No more DP jokes
End of an era
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah. I like DP jokes.
Btw, who was it that made that horrible joke after the TESS game that had something to do with that but with less people involved and a different take on the areas? (I’m trying to be vague here…)
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I was the one last night
After I watched our team hit into the fourth double play in the night make this comment
I feel like I am watching a porn
Cause all I keep seeing are DP’s
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but somebody made a really bad joke
late after the TESS game (it was bad and good but REALLY bad). I remember the joke and kinda remember who said it, but I can’t remember exactly and am wondering if he’s still around.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was really confused
thanks
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jaime Garcia
Did you guys know he is already throwing to batters?
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is not something I knew
Any news on the quality of his stuff?
by mojowo11 on Jun 5, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fastball has some pep
Not throwing breaking stuff yet
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's good
Not that I have a medical basis for this, but the first thing I’d want to hear is that his velocity appears to be making a full recovery.
by mojowo11 on Jun 5, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had TJ which is a good thing
Most pitchers come back stronger than before
He sounds like he wants to pitch this year but the organization wants to take it slow
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will
be nice to have a lefty in the rotation again.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 5, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if he will have a chance to be in the rotation in 2010
Right now he is already accruing playing time since he is on the ML DL not the Minor League one.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldn't he be in the rotation?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 5, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The STL one.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 5, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got it from Jeff Luhnow
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great. i remembered seeing something about him throwing off a mound in ST,
and was really surprised. hadn’t heard anything since. hopefully, he comes back throwing well in 2010.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB network is saying that last year we were a handshake away
from trading Ludwick, Schumaker, and Boggs for Holliday while they are talking about the Cards need for a big bat.
by sdrone on Jun 5, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
excuse me while I puke in my mouth a bit
by FunkeeC on Jun 5, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not ludwick
He is cost controlled for a few more years, It would be unwise
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure Holliday is better than Ludwick outside of Coors
And I know Ludwick is cheaper. The fact that we would have to give up more to get him is just yuck.
I wonder if Jockety makes this deal.
by TheBirds on Jun 5, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jocketty says
“Are you sure you don’t want us to throw in Rasmus too?”
/cheap shot
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MO has said in the past the rocks did in fact ask for Lud
but he said no, he was not going to trade him for holliday. so i wonder who their source is?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
souds more like burwell
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would sound more like burwell
if it had a bit in there about the WNBA or some other league St. Louis sports fans care nothing about.
"Every epoch dreams its successor" - Jules Michelet
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 5, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The quote makes sense
They were a handshake away. Mo’s handshake. Which he didn’t shake on b/c that trade would have been stupid.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unbelievable
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Replace Luddy.....
With just about anybody outside of Pujols, Rasmus, Molina, Carp, Waino, Motte, or Wallace, and I’d probably do it.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 5, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols now has a career OPS of 1.054, best in NL history (min 3000 PA). Barry Bonds is 2nd (1.051)
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I recommend this comment.
That there is good information.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should get this guy
.333/.413/.531/.944 so far this season…. Wait a second it is
Adam Kennedy
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
F to the L the A to the GGED
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
try this again
You can’t handle the truth!!!
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Son, we live in a world that has second bases and those second bases need to be guarded by men with DP’s & RBI’s. Who’s gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Skippy? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for AK and curse the Flubs; you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that AK’s death, while tragic, probably saved lives and that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties you want me on that base, you need me on that base. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use then as the backbone of a life trying to defend something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said “thank you,” and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a bat and stand a post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Hey!
that looks familiar!
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ANOTHER GREEN ONE!
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
with style.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Counteracting the flag
with a rec.
"Every epoch dreams its successor" - Jules Michelet
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 5, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
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"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet the Rays are dissapointed too
Since now they need a 2B
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt it when they have 2 players they can plug in there once bartlett comes back
Zobrist and Aybar
by FunkeeC on Jun 5, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this may occasionally happen
when your manager is a giant baby
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by themanthemyth on Jun 5, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much
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"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT
next book I’m going to read: http://www.salon.com/books/review/2006/09/05/levitin/
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"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's about music
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure
probably just going to read it… last time I did that, with David Toop’s ‘Ocean of Sound’, I assembled a collection of music that the author mentioned in the book
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"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The next music I'm going to listen to
is about a book.
"Every epoch dreams its successor" - Jules Michelet
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 5, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So yeah, Glavine
Anybody interested in 43-year old lefty? Before answering, let me just do a Morgan/Kruk/Phillips/Sutcliffe analysis w/o the need for ‘suh-tistics’ (in honor of the Joe Morgan comments earlier in the thread):
Proven winner
300 game winner
Knows how to win
Lefty
Crafty lefty
Umps like him
Am I missing any?
I know whom to call for a hole in my roof or a whole new roof.
by lightbulb on Jun 5, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wakefield throws harder than he does now
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure I said crafty.
I know whom to call for a hole in my roof or a whole new roof.
by lightbulb on Jun 5, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I get he is crappy
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine.
Fine Flim, you buzzkill.
From fangraphs:
Glavine (2009) projection: 4.93 FIP
Peneiro (rest of season): 4.27 FIP
Wellemeyer (rest of season): 4.40 FIP
Brad Thompson (rest of eason): 4.21 FIP
See, that’s why I didn’t look at stats before posting. You win.
I know whom to call for a hole in my roof or a whole new roof.
by lightbulb on Jun 5, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thompson's projection is for a reliever
His career FIP as a starter is 5.18. I think Glavine could top that.
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on Jun 6, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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