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Chris Carpenter is not convinced that was Laynce Nix.

What's there to say about Chris Carpenter at this point? If anything he seems sharper now than he did in 2006, when last he was more than a constant, nagging medical concern. He's throwing his fastball, which is the kind of fastball that a lot of relief pitchers get away with for ten years, less than he ever has—less than half the time up to yesterday's start—and his breaking balls, especially the new-ish slider that he's gone to so often, have gone from good to vicious, an adjective in the set of pitching terms that begins with "carved up."

In a fluff piece written for the Sports Illustrated World Series magazine after 06—momup is a formidable collector of Cardinals ephemera, and I am a formidable reader of anything next to me when I have nothing better to do—Carp attributed his newfound success to the ability, as an older pitcher, to focus exclusively on the next pitch he's going to throw. That seems about right, and the remarkable thing is that he's so good about it that he has the same effect on fans. I was in the car listening to the radio when Laynce Nix—Laynce Nix! Three-time failed Ranger CF of the future, a guy who couldn't even hit in Arlington!—continued his ascent up the St. Louis public enemy chart, and as soon as it left the park I... I calmed down. Carp threw a strike. My car continued up the street in an orderly fashion. The game ended.

All I can say is that you know you're good when Tony La Russa, who last admitted to enjoying something after watching the third Indiana Jones movie, for fear of giving secrets away to the other team, calls you "a pleasure to watch." 

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Carpenter did his job and granted sportswriters use of the term Stopper for the next week, but Albert doing all the heavy lifting wasn't exactly the perfect salve for our continued offensive fear and trembling. I'll take hits from all three outfielders, but I'd like an extra base or two before I resume counting my chickens. 

But one interesting thread on offense has been Brendan Ryan's quiet charge back to offensive respectability, and last night's 1-3 performance has brought his batting average all the way up to .281, the exact point at which people will stop paying attention to what a middle infielder is doing on offense. I've been extremely critical of Ryan in the past, because of how spare his track record as even a passable AAA hitter has been up to this point—and, admittedly, because I'm loath to give backup infielders, with their small samples, the kind of defensive credit that would be needed to carry his 2008 bat. 

But as of today, when he's within thirty points of OPS of matching the 2007 stint that got everybody so excited in the first place, and made a backup infielder out of a long-time suspect who couldn't stay on the field, the egg is on my face. .340/.380 isn't going to bust any games wide open, but on a team that settled for Cesar Izturis last year it's a revelation. 

I have a feeling that this might eventually become a Chris Duncan situation, where a guy's minor league numbers are, for whatever reason, totally inadequate to describe his major league talent. Ryan was last a prospect to be followed in 2005, when he impressed in Palm Beach and treaded water in Springfield; in 2006 he didn't stay on the field and in 2007 he was brought up to the majors as a last resort, and his ugly numbers in Memphis did little to reject the notion that he was overmatched in AA and experiencing a Bo Hart moment in St. Louis. 2008 did little but propogate that notion. But now he's hitting again. 

In the meantime, I throw up my hands. His minor league track record can be read too many ways to be useful; his major league track record isn't quite long enough to be satisfying. All I will say is this: I don't care how many runs UZR says he saves, the way he throws terrifies me; every 4-6-3, no matter how beautiful, ends in a sidearm slider that I am convinced is going to either send Albert careening into Hee Seop Choi or bounce into the hands of a lucky fan. It works, but I don't want to look at it. 

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Good to see Jess Todd up; bad to see Brian Barton, after hindsight wrecks the notion of outfield depth, traded for a guy who the Cardinals are willing to risk DFAing. Boyer's five inning crawl is the kind of move I'm fond of in Baseball Mogul, which doesn't have waiver rules or a 40 man roster—it's all too easy to abuse AAAA swingmen in blowout situations when you can toss them back over the next day.

Todd... well, in a sick way I'm hoping he looks as much like a reliever as was insisted when he was converted. It would cost the Cardinals some theoretical depth in the rotation, but I would stop wondering what might have been.

Sorry for the slim pickings; I'm going to be offline for the next week, traveling, but the VEB wheels will keep on turning. All my writing tics will return to the front page next next Tuesday; in the meantime, somebody let me know if Strasburg falls to nineteen. 

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I can’t help but wonder if this is a showcase of Mr. Todd for potential suitors. Or, slightly related, a test for Todd as one of Perez or Motte or McClellan are shopped around.

Todd + Duncan + Gall + Seabol + Hart + Journell + Dove + ?? for Ryan Zimmerman? Do it yesterday!

by ajabegg on Jun 5, 2009 7:23 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm making an executive decision

and throwing in Josh Pearce and future considerations.

by DanUpBaby on Jun 5, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bah, give 'em Cali

We have this Randy Flores kid to stabilize the left side of the pen.

by mojowo11 on Jun 5, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone here think Dunn might be available as well as Zimmerman?

I believe his contract is something like 2yrs/20mil. What pieces from the Cards could make that happen? Boggs, Perez, Wallace, Todd, Garcia? I’m not too good at this and it looks very far fetched but it’s a nice dream, no? Or would those 5 be too much? Not enough? Or maybe one of skip/dunc instead of Garcia? Either way, Washington looks completely hopeless right now. With Dunn only signed through 2010, whats the point in hanging on to him unless they really think they can turn it around by next season?

by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 8:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nats have no clue

what direction they’re going—draft? free agents? Tom Boswell at the WaPo seems to be the only one who cares what the Nats do. </aWoes Start at the Top>

It’s worth a call to see what’s up.

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by gocards62 on Jun 5, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where did all this talk of Zimmerman becoming available originate?

Why would the Nationals trade their franchise player whom they just signed to a cheap contract in the middle of a fantastic offensive year?

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by azruavatar on Jun 5, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know where it came from...

but the logical reasoning would be that the return might never be higher. The Nats aren’t likely to turn things around for a couple of years, and could save some money by trading Zimm. I would think it would take WAY more than any team should be willing to trade, but I could understand making him available.

"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs

by cardzfanbub on Jun 5, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because!

Just because.

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nice sig.

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Jun 5, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

it's brilliant

It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan

by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right, He probably is not available.

If I may be allowed to rephrase my question. Do you think the Cards have the “tradeable” personnel to make Zimmerman and Dunn available? Almost everything is for sale for the right price. One can dream can’t one? It would take a lot I know, and I like many am looking at Zimmerman because he’s a slugging 3b on a team that’s at the bottom of their division. Dunn just makes sense to me because of how unlikely it is that the Nats contend in the last year of his contract so why not save the ~17mil they’d be spending fruitlessly on him.

by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunn maybe, Zimmerman No Way

The Nats may shed Dunn to save money, but Zimmerman is the face of their franchise for the next few years. They are not going to trade him even for a package of Rasmus and Wainwright.

by ubeddie on Jun 5, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think they will trade him...

but they’d be stupid not to make THAT deal

by eglasier on Jun 5, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's like their Pujols

why would they trade him?

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so these career numbers are as untouchable as Pujols?

347obp,471slg,286avg in 1968abs with 69 hrs.

He’s a good 3b but he’s no Pujols. I truly don’t think the guy is untouchable.

by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not saying he's as good as Pujols

but he’s their best player

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe

but what makes him untouchable? I don’t get it. while his career numbers are good they’re not amazing or anything. And the Cards could offer some very good 3b prospects in return. It’s not unheard of for a last place team to trade one of their better players for a bunch of guys who could become very good in the future not to mention the cards have major league talent to offer in trade as well

by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's untouchable

…because of the current state of the Nats. I live in DC, and they’re a disaster right now. They would look like complete idiots to have finally made a positive move (signing Zimmerman) then turn around and trade him away.

I know that from a baseball sense it makes sense to explore trades. But the Nats position in DC is pretty precarious and the few fans they have would revolt if they traded away the “face of the franchise”.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Jun 5, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They do have

another face of the franchise coming in Strasburg but I think it would be a very dumb move on their part to trade away the one bright spot of their franchise

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring" -Rogers Hornsby

by stlwcards on Jun 5, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably

Even though Strasburg is descended from Titans, ancient God-Kings, and Chuck Norris, it would still be kind of a gamble to assume he’s the next face of the franchise already. He is a starting pitcher after all, sometimes they don’t pan out.

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

but he already throws 145 MPH and he is going to be signed to a $102 Billion deal but hes no Bryce Harper

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring" -Rogers Hornsby

by stlwcards on Jun 5, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bruce Lee > greater than Chuck Norris

plus he’s not a total DB like Chuck is

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*sorry

just getting sick of Chuck Norris made out to be some amazing person

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is no Ctrl button on Chuck Norris' keyboard

because Chuck Norris is always in control.

I’m more of a Jean Claude Van Damme guy myself

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't forget Segal either

he plays guitar too

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fuck him

and his guitar

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i have no idea where that rage came from

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is a bastard

and a polygamist, but I could go for that, too, just would want both of them to know about each other.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jun 5, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

kidding

he’s a douche

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chuck Norris's tears cure cancer

Unfortunately they give you AIDs

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that Chuck Norris ever cries

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

let’s say that he is 99.9% untouchable, close enough

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

respectfully, I still don't get it

player A : 261/339/462/801 ops+110 1473 career ab, cf, 28yrs
player B: 286/347/471/818 ops+113 1968 career ab, 3b, 25yrs

Player A: Traded yesterday for 3 minor league prospects (2sp,1of)
Player B: “99.9% untouchable”

Couldn’t it be more like 85% untouchable?

by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I put their age and position in the comment

the age I suppose makes a small difference but not the difference between touchable and untouchable. Player A plays a more premium position.

by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One though played for the Pittsburgh Pirates

aka The Minor League System for Everyone Else

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

And the other plays for the worst team in baseball.

And all I really want to say is that I would hope a GM looking for a 3rd baseman would make the call. Even if he gets laughed at, make the call, ya know?

by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

I just realized they’re 27 and 24 respectfully. But I still don’t think it makes the difference between touchable and untouchable.

by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

player A is also a gold glove winner and a 2008 all star and has only 9 less home runs in 495 less ab than player B

by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh oh

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"gold glove" winner.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...
he’s like their Pujols why would they trade him?

4B – beer baseball bands blog
“OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!”

by Cards Fan in Chitown

Because I want them to?

"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly

by Red Blazer on Jun 5, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good enough.

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right after this, everyone's going to talk about trading for Ian Kinsler.

All this Zimmerman talk makes about as much sense as some other SBN’s board talking about what it would take to get Pujols.

Derosa, or even Beltre, fine. But the Zimmerman banter is worthless. Why not Longoria? Or Hanley? Think we could get Greinke!?! Please.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 5, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The difference between all of these guys...

is that they all are on teams that plan or at least hope to contend before 2011, while Washington at BEST could contend in 2011. Zimmerman is very good…but I’m not sure he’s quite as good as any of those guys.

"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs

by cardzfanbub on Jun 5, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it makes a little more sense

for a team to think about trading ryan zimmerman than for a team to think about trading Pujols.

by Walking Underwear on Jun 5, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ian kinsler doesn't make sense...

The Rangers are in first place.

"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly

by Red Blazer on Jun 5, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

These are the teams that will be trading away assets most likely

Baltimore – 8 Games Back
Kansas City – 5.5 Games Back
Cleveland – 7 Games Back
Seattle – 5.5 Games Back
Oakland – 8.5 Games Back
Florida – 7.5 Games Back
Washington – 18 Games Back
Pittsburgh – 5.5 Games Back
Houston – 7 Games Back
San Fran – 8 Games Back
San Diego – 10.5 Games Back
Arizona – 13 Games Back
Colorado – 14.5 Games Back

So why don’t we try to stick to these teams when making trade proposals

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't think that...

the Royals will be making any moves to subtract from their team until right near the deadline if they’re 10-15 (or more) out. They are really trying to put it together to be a .500+ team this year.

by stlfan on Jun 5, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Balto,

whaddya think of Aubrey Huff going back to 3B for STL?

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 5, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

remember the days

When teams could lead raids into other teams’ rosters and simply pillage their players in the night? The legendary Midnight Runners of the Bronx, and the later Windy City shanghais, the quiet renegades who were determined to protect their young talent and still improve their lot.

Then MLB started moving teams around and this trading business put an end to the marauding. Sigh.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 5, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am guilty of banging that drum that you speak of ...I quit though because I know it won't happen.

"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly

by Red Blazer on Jun 5, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we are fans

we’re not supposed to be rational. That’s the GM’s job. If, in my mind, I can trade Duncan and Thompson for Alex Rodriguez, with the Yankees paying the bulk of his contract, then damnit, it could happen.

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know either,

but from what I read, Nate McLouth wasn’t available either and he falls into almost the same category that Zim does with the new contract and all.

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

except that he's a lot better

and signed for longer, and younger. But if there is any chance of picking him up, I’d trade anyone in the system minus rasmus to get him.

- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc

by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get that.

I’m just saying that McLouth was looked at as the main dude in Pittsburgh, was the un-questioned leader in the clubhouse and had just signed a very team friendly deal a few months ago, and was not being shopped, yet the Braves made an offer and the Pirates decided it was too good (or good enough, or whatever) to pass up.

Just because someone is young and the best player on a bad team and has a cost-controlled contract, doesn’t make him un-available whether he’s a lot better or not. Sometimes you just have to ask and I know a lot of teams are kicking themselves over assuming McLouth was un-available.

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

are you saying

trade for a package of Dunn & Zimmerman? That would take a haul, but I would definitely be interested in what they would ask for. 3B of the future and a 40 HR guy behind Pujols (no matter what side he hits from) would be swell. I love living in video game world.

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's past time to bring back the T-1000 nickname for Carp

I’m surprised it’s not used here lately.

by sdrone on Jun 5, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

T-1000

Armed and ready to destroy!

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 5, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't T-1000

also the name of the crappy Pontiac version of the Chevette?

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 5, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

A piece of shit hatchback

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 hour games

Thanks to baseball reference I could figure out what game this was and some of the details. Back in 2004 I went to a Cards/Astros game on July 17th. Carpenter versus Clemens. Game time: 1:59, shortest I’ve ever been to. In that game, Carpenter ALSO pitched a 3 hit complete game, except it was a shutout in that game. Clemens wasn’t too shabby either, giving up 3 runs in the 2nd then throwing blanks till he was pulled after the 7th. Cards won 3-0.

by Quel on Jun 5, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So what you're saying is

By allowing a run yesterday, Carpenter is beginning to show signs of decline.

by mojowo11 on Jun 5, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say trade him for Holliday or maybe Ibañez

Either that or trade him to somebody like the Cubs for prospects, they’re a big market team so I’ll bet their farm is stacked.

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Gotta jump on it while the iron is hot.

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, that train has sailed, dude.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. Signs of Decline.

By 2014, he’ll be giving up 2 runs in those 1:59 games. sigh

by stlfan on Jun 5, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mozliak on the clock

Count me in as a Cards fan who sees the cup as half full; first place sounds just fine to me. I’m thinking the Birds have done an amazing job of treading water and fighting to the top in this difficult season. Check out those Cubbies if you want a cool comparison. But for all their toughness, they need some help from the front office. In my view, DeRosa is just an expensive band aid, that will cost the Cardinals dearly in young talent and bring very little to the team. I’ve heard Perez mentioned in any deal for him; that trade would be a disaster – surrendering one of the teams few real strengths. I think the Cardinals need to trade for a true impact bat to plug into the slot below the great Albert Pujols. I’m thinking someone along the lines of Beltre or Holliday.
  Is Moliak up to it? Is he capable of navigating the treacherous waters of ownerships bottom line and the wiles of GM’s in Seatlle or Oakland? His job here is to limit the Cardinals damage to salary aquisition, not the surrendering of the teams young core. In some quarters, Mozliak has been given a hall pass, while ownership and TLR take the heat, but his track record is not real strong. But puting together timely deals like this is his job. It’s tough, but that’s why he gets to hold the trophy in the clubhouse on national TV. Deweydell says: get it done.
  By the way, How is TLR viewed around the game? Nick Cafardo, the respected veteran baseball writer of the Boston Globe, took an informal poll of scouts, executives, players and coaches and offered a set of rankings. The top five: Tony La Russa, Terry Francona, Jim Leyland, Bobby Cox and Joe Torre. With all his warts, you’ll miss him big time when he’s gone.

by deweydell on Jun 5, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Holliday is playing well over the last month+...

and Beltre’s numbers have been trending upward for the last two weeks, but I’m not sure either of them is enough of an upgrade to justify the talent and money they will cost. I’m not convinced that Beltre is

"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs

by cardzfanbub on Jun 5, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Beltre's numbers

just think where they’d be if his numbers were trending downward. Sarcasm aside, I think acquiring Beltre is a better move than DeRosa based on the Cards taking on salary in exchange for a lesser package of players, like Skip or Duncan plus AA potential. Indians are looking to get Motte or Perez which is too much for a super utility rental.

by ubeddie on Jun 5, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My concern with letting Dunc...

or Skip go in that deal is that we then rely on Thurston to play near the same level as Skip and someone else??? to replace Duncan’s production while we pay several million dollars to Beltre and can’t quite be sure that he’s going to produce better than Thurston/Barden (is Mather back in the discussion at 3B yet?).

"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs

by cardzfanbub on Jun 5, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What did white sox fans have to do to get Beckhan called up?

would that work for Wallace. Even if he’s not 100% ready it would at least be a fun experience. And I demand entertainment!

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They did nothing

The SS and 2B sucked much of the last 2 months.

by sdrone on Jun 5, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can understand trading skip

he’s the outfielder without a home… but honestly, i’d rather they toss in ankiel

keep dunc (better hitter)

keep skip for the 4th outfielder (with some 2b duty)

slide thursty over, maybe a slice of boog…

by BirdsonFire on Jun 5, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would the Indians want Ankiel?

If they’re trading DeRo, it’s because they’re selling and giving up on 2009. Ankiel is a FA at the end of the year. There’s zero reason for them to ever trade for him.

by mojowo11 on Jun 5, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just because!

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

besides... and if we triple dog dare them....

they have to in order to show they ain’t scared, right?

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Jun 5, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think you're onto something

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

indians... probably not

but we could potentially use ankiel to get an actually good 3b… instead of a halfway decent guy that plays several positions

dero is another stop gap

by BirdsonFire on Jun 5, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how does ankiel get us an "actually good" 3b that's better than derosa?

by strapping himself with dynamite and sitting next to his wife and kids, threatening to blow himself up unless the guy plays a full season for us?

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

by tagging him with others

but his contract is up and i’d rather not re-sign him

by BirdsonFire on Jun 5, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

which is exactly why he would have very little value to other teams.

it doesn’t follow from the fact that it’s convenient to discard him that we could get something good for him.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that depends

on whether the other team would want to resign him and if they think they can do it

by BirdsonFire on Jun 5, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or they could resign him in november without trading anybody.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

clearly, you fail to understand the purpose of trades.

the purpose of trades is to allow US to dispose of declining, uninteresting, or surplus players, while taking good and useful players from other teams.

kind of like trading your empty propane canister for a full one.

brian anderson, brad thompson, and joe thurston for jason bay! who’s with me?

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm in!

But only if we can also throw in Ankiel, PJ Walters, and Stav but get back Pedrioa and Bucholz. Mo, make it happen.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 5, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're undervaluing walters there:

we gotta get at least lester with him in the trade.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that comment is justa sig in the making

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 5, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't think Holliday.....

Would be a massive upgrade over what we’ll likely get out of Ank/Duncan the rest of the year?

Don’t forget, Thurston has been arguably our 2nd best hitter this year, we may get Glaus back evenutally, and Mather is finally healthy and hitting. I really think we can fill 3B from within. The questions is, do you think Luddy is going to return to form and/or what do you think we’ll get from Ankiel/Duncan the rest of the year?

Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan

by SoonerfanTU on Jun 5, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, if I could swap out Ankiel and/or Duncan for Holliday I'd be ecstatic

Because I am pretty sure he is a better all-around player than both of those guys. There are the issues, though, of contracts, what we’d be giving up, what the actual roster/playtime ramifications would be in contrast to what would make sense to me/us, etc. etc. I ask myself “would having Holliday take at-bats from the right players or wrong players” and I’m not so confident. Maybe that’s unfair on my part.
As an aside, the fact that Holliday may very well not be as good as a lot of people think he is confuses matters and kind of skews the arguments sometimes. I am confident he’s a very good player though, and have come to terms with that.

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Witht he way the roster has been handeled this year

I’d expect Holliday to end up in the middle relief core somehow.

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   5 recs

hahah

rec’d

Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."

by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha ha

You, of all people, misspelled “corps.”

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jun 5, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn

working with a network called “core” has successfully erased five years of brain washing!

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW: posted yesterday, but Holliday career home/away splits:
Home: .350/.418/.631/1.049
Away: .281/.350/.456/.805

Both samples are >1500 PAs, so I don’t think you can damn the Coors effect.

Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."

by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those away numbers are not amazing.

“BA at home = OBP on the road” says a lot.

Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."

by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who's gonna stop me?

Damn the Coors effect

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you can..

“damn the Coors effect” you should call TLR – he could have used your skills pre-DUI.

Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."

by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find

that a Bologna, cheese, hashbrown, green olive, sour cream, pepto bismol sandwich does the trick

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true but players also get a homefield advantage

that is separate from park effects (with the exception of some extreme environments — Petco I’m looking at you) so .805 is probably a little lower than should be projected.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Jun 5, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but how much?

Can’t be more than slight, no? Certainly not .240+ points of OPS. That’s the difference between Evan Longoria and Randy Winn.

Well, picking a few of my favorite hitters:

Albert:
H: .338/.434/.628/1.062 (holy sht)
A: .332/.420/.624/1.044 (holy sht)

Arod:
H: .313/.394/.595/.989
A: .298/.384/.561/.945

Miggy
H: .316/.389/.549/.938
A: .307/.376/.535/.912

Not saying my 3 cherry-picked sample is representative, but their numbers are slightly lower away, nothing like the "BA at home = OBP on the road" type disparity for Holliday. Can’t imagine discrepancy like his is anywhere near normal for someone that doesn’t play in a park with a huge (or tiny) park factor.

Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."

by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True enough

but I don’t think anyone really thinks holliday is a true-talent .950 OPS guy.

He’s probably about .850, give or take. Don’t forget his road split is aritificially suppressed by having to play in Petco, San Francisco (whatever they’re calling it now) and Dodger Stadium in about half his away games, all of which are crappy stadia for hitters. Add, say, .030 for the natural home/road split of most players, add .020 for the crappy away environment he’s played in and he’s a .850 OPS guy.

.850 OPS with a glove that’s worth nearly 10 runs a year is pretty good for a corner outfielder, not great, but good. He’s a big upgrade over Dunc/Ank.

I just don’t want him because I feel he’d cost too much in prospects.

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 5, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but I don’t think anyone really thinks holliday is a true-talent .950 OPS guy.

That’s where you’d be wrong, I’m afraid. Plenty of people think he’s that player, despite the Coors effect.

by mojowo11 on Jun 5, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

About .850 sounds right

and that puts him in the company of:

2008

Raul Ibanez
Jack Cust
Xavier Nady
Pat Burrell

2009

Fred Lewis
Marlon Byrd
Denard Span
Carl Crawford

How much would you give up to rent one of those guys for four months?

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Jun 5, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd have to dig up some research.

I agree that we’re not talking about more than 50 OPS pts and certainly Coors has inflated his numbers but likewise I’m not sure it’s accurate to just point at his road numbers and use it as a projection.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Jun 5, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something most people forget

is that Holliday played mostly on the road in San Fran (pitcher’s park), San Diego (pitcher’s park), and LA (pitcher’s park) along with Arizona, another hitter’s park.

If you take away his stats from NL West parks in general, here’s what his career numbers are:

In 905 AB, he has a slash line of .295/.371/.485/.856.

Also, at new Busch, he has a slash line of .385/.478/.872/1.350.

by stlfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Truthfully...

no, I don’t think he’ll be a massive upgrade, unless Ank/Duncan don’t turn their current struggles around. I think he’ll be better…maybe by 1.5 wins, but I don’t think that’s worth what would likely be three SOLID prospects and $9M still owed to him.

"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs

by cardzfanbub on Jun 5, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am telling you guys that Moz is going to make a deal

He is just waiting for the right one. We have a lot of guys that are going to be eligible for rule 5 draft in December so we need to clear house. Right now everyone is just asking for a top quality prospects (Wallace, D Jones, Perez, Motte). He is most likely trying to package quantity for quality without giving anyone up we really need

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's what Leach's blog

seemed to indicate.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jun 5, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah

the voice of reason

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Part of the reason I'm not getting too worked up by talk of deals and DeRosa and whatnot

is that I think you’re correct—not that I came to this conclusion by myself, I just think it makes a lot of sense. I feel confident that MO will do something prudent.

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don Tony is da man.

"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly

by Red Blazer on Jun 5, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian Barton

Gets called up on June 3rd. Enters game as pinch runner in bottom of the ninth and gets caught stealing, plays 2 innings in RF and is on deck when the game ends in the 11th. Optioned back to AAA the next day. Tough year for Crabman.

by ubeddie on Jun 5, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you build it

he will come

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring" -Rogers Hornsby

by stlwcards on Jun 5, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im suprised that

somebody didnt get that sooner

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring" -Rogers Hornsby

by stlwcards on Jun 5, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

feel sorry for the guy, he is kind of getting shuffled around

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's making a lot more cash than you and I combined

I don’t feel too bad for him…..

;-)

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

I feel way more sorry for myself, j/k

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

$2469 for the game

which is a lot, but not so much.

- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc

by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus the 402k he's making for the season

and that’s a pretty decent haul. One I’m sure Cards Fan in Chitown and I would happily split.

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You two could split it in three with this guy [double thumbs to the chest]

and it would still be awesome. 400K / 3 = 133K

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's not making 400k this season

You don’t make anything near that in AAA. The $2469 is the one game salary at league minimum.

He made 400K last season, though.

- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc

by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not true.

If he is on the 40 man roster, he is making the major league minimum.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

source?

I’m almost certain that you don’t make the league min just for being on the 40 man. There are salary scales in the basic agreement for “first year on 40 man, second year on 40 man” etc that are 60k-ish; it wouldn’t make sense to have those negotiated if that was true.

I think he has to make at least half of what he made last year (or something like that), though.

- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc

by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From Cots:
Brian Barton of
1 year/$0.402M (2009)

    * 1 year/$0.402M (2009)
          o re-signed by St. Louis 2/28/09
          o acquired by Atlanta in trade from St. Louis 4/20/09

Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."

by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Offense

Not a good source. It doesn’t factor in the fact he is in AAA

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

None taken, just saying he's got a ML deal

Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."

by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, from Purple Row Academy's 101 on the 40-man:
Another reason for putting a prospect on the ML Reserve List (40 man) is if they are ready for the Show before their 4 or 5 year evaluation period is up, as was certainly the case for Tulo, Jeff Francis, and others. The procedure is that the major league club must purchase the contract of the prospect from his minor league team (even though they already pay his salary) so that they can sign him to a major league contract—coming with better pay, benefits, MLBPA membership, and the satisfaction of being on the fast track to the Show. For instance, as I pointed out in my Rockpile yesterday, Greg Reynolds, a member or our 40 man roster, will be paid $114,795 in the minors and $402,000 in the majors.

Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."

by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

read page 12 of the CBA

major league deal only pays major league money if you are in the major leagues. Otherwise, he gets pro-rated amoutn of league min for service time in MLB and then 60k or so.

link

Of course, the club COULD pay him whatever they want. They are forced to pay the min, so he might be making 400k, but not necessarily.

- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc

by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

eh NOT forced to pay the min

- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc

by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mlb4u.com explains it out better in their wiki

link

The minimum minor league salary for a player a that has at least 1 day of Major League service or has spent two years on the 40-man roster will be $62,500 in 2008 and $65,000 in 2009 and 2010. In 2011, the minimum will be $65,000 plus a cost of living adjustment, rounded to the nearest $100, provided that the cost of living adjustment does not reduce the minimum salary below $65,000.

All players on 40-man rosters whether or not they have any service time must receive a salary of at least $31,250 in 2008 and $32,500 in 2009 and 2010. The minimum in 2011 will be $32,500 plus a cost of living adjustment, rounded to the nearest $100, provided that the cost of living adjustment does not reduce the minimum salary below $32,500.

- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc

by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the resources..

Makes a lot more sense than having to pay every guy on the 40-man $400k. That’s $6 mil on 15 guys not on the 25 man roster, don’t know why I thought that was possible.

Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."

by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks. I was way wrong there.

I knew a guy that bounced up and down with the White Sox for a couple of years. He seemed to indicate that he made the minimum just for being on the 40 man. I guess I just misunderstood him.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like a cool resource, when available.

by astrostl on Jun 5, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right on Ryan

If he keeps his defense up as he has so far this year, I’d be happy with him getting on base at a .340 pace.

by sdrone on Jun 5, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hell yeah

a good defensive SS that gets on-base at a .340 clip is valuable…i guess i need to stop rolling my eyes when i see Ryan leading off…

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." - Red Barber
Yeah, I'm a loser...

by nomar34 on Jun 5, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be like trading for an all-star shortstop..........

I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain

by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get off my lawn.

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Ricky!

Get this Lame-O out of your yard!

Hey, lame-o, get out of my yard!!!!!

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the burbs

TRADE FOR DEROSA!!!

by Cuttah on Jun 5, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't believe it.

Haim wasn’t in it.

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

i thought both were in it

i don’t think their first together was lost boys

were both in liscense to drive with heather graham?

by BirdsonFire on Jun 5, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup, both were in L2D.

But, Lost Boys was their first.

Here’s their wiki.

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boog?

I can’t think of anything about him that’s quiet.

Hopefully Wainer told his pal BB about the regular ups and downs of STL…

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 5, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what about Hank Blalock?

Rangers need relievers. He could fill in at 3rd and play some 2nd when/if Glaus gets back?

by eglasier on Jun 5, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

but then, while drinking Franklins,

I will have to resort to yelling “Hank the Tank! Hank the Tank! Hank the Tank!”

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We might as well move Skippy to 3rd.

Blalock is not worth much at 3b defensively. PLUS, he rarely gets through an entire year healthy.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hank Blalock?

He of the .296 OBP? No thanks.

(Interesting fact: Blalock is hitting better away from Arlington this year.)

by mojowo11 on Jun 5, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitch to Pujols?

I guess Albert has shown why teams shouldn’t pitch to him. I don’t remember the last time he didn’t hit the ball hard, hit or out. You always see the hot shot right at the third baseman, but I can’t recall seeing one much harder than last night. It was catch or die, because there was no getting out of the way.

Ryan keeps this up and Al might not only stop telling him to get off his lawn, he might invite him inside for cake and coffee.

Good to see Ankiel start making solid contact at least. The ball caught at the track looked good coming off of the bat, and he’s starting to show signs of putting together some semblance of an offensive game.

Finally, after 20 days of growth, I am finally to the point, where a little just for men facial hair dye, can transform my upper lip into a mustache…just in time for a coed softbal tournament this weekend.

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

"a little just for men facial hair dye"

This made me laugh.

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Jun 5, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not only does it take me about a month for solid growth

it comes in too light to see without the proper angle and good lighting.

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel your pain STL

I’m 31 years old, and every deer season, I take two weeks off work and quit shaving. People generally look at me and laugh, as my mustache grows in blonde, my goatee grows in a light-reddish color, and my beard grows in brown. It’s quite a sight.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're my facial hair twin!

Except I only have like 65 facial hairs.

"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah

by Alxfritz on Jun 5, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so your like a human calico cat?

(even though there are no male calico cats)

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not true

about one in every three thousand cali’s are male. this happens because they posses the two x and one y chromosomes necessary, but it also makes them sterile.

(I’d like to genetics 342 for that useless piece of info, you’ve finally paid off)

HE SAID WITH A SMIRK

by Dave Barry on Jun 5, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to “thank”, face in palm.

HE SAID WITH A SMIRK

by Dave Barry on Jun 5, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you could have had a V8

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Jun 5, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I had one of those cats

I’d name his Laynce.

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

you would name him laynce

or name his laynce something seperate. Cause that’s kind of disturbing

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow. I think my face in palm is even better than Dave Barry's!

Anyway, I’d name him Laynce. Not that it matters anymore.

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks to Physics

I will always remember that gravity is 9.8 m/s2

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speed of light

3.0 × 10^8 m/s

I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain

by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(the gravity part that is)

the speed of light (in a vacuum) is also 3.0 × 10^8 m/s in other locations!

by ArkansasTravs on Jun 5, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know, we have a base-10 system.

The more advanced of us on this planet use the metric system for everything possible.

Why in the he** can’t we change our measurement of time to a base-10 measurement system too?

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is in Vernor Vinge’s more recent sci-fi books: kilosecs and megasecs are their standard references for time. But this is for people that live on ships that don’t revolve near a sun, so who needs days n’ shit.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jun 5, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What are you a socialist???

In all seriousness, I think that’s an overblown issue. Nobody clamors for a base-10 system of measuring angles. The real deal math folks are fluent in radians, for crying out loud, and measuring things in radians is like Greek to most folks. I think the English vs. Metric thing is only such a big problem because there are two common systems. Everybody forgets which is which sometimes, even NASA.

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

With hilarious and expensive consequences.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jun 5, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup!

Not so smart now, are you ya bunch of nerds!
Ahem. I mean. J/K?

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

brian barton -- now 700 miles closer to NASA.

coincidence?

perhaps he can help them out some in his spare time. prevent those kinds of silly errors.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard a rumor that the NASA guys are still using OPS+ and RZR

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's a pretty short drive from the Alabama base.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Woo Huntsville!

My hometown got (sort of) a shoutout on VEB! 3 hours from ATL!

I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain

by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never use the English system anymore

I pretty much exclusively use the Metric system

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well you can take your fancy meters and go to France!

because I love America damnit! it’s 90 ft to first base, not 27.6923 meters!

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wonder

if baseball would work at all if the dudes who invented it used 30M instead of 90 feet to first base. So much of what we take for granted would change; almost no one would be able to steal, there’d be almost no infield hits, etc.

A lot more balls would get through the infield, though.

- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc

by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And would that have an effect on the outfield dimensions as well?

And smaller homerun totals, more doubles, harder defense, etc etc etc?

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cue the Lee Greenwood

…cause I’m proud to be an American, where at least I know…how far the fence is

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

papelbon hates pitching there.

he thinks it’s so unfair to have to pitch in a stadium where the walls are only a hundred or so feet away from home.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

bigger douche

Papelbon or Braun?

I’m voting Papelbon X 8

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

absolutely papelbon

the tiebreaker is that only Ryan Braun looks exactly like a silent film star.

by DanUpBaby on Jun 5, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mostly related

american and british auto manufactures use both metric and standard hardware on their models, which can be very frustrating. I only bring this up to show how far away we are from standardizing one system.

HE SAID WITH A SMIRK

by Dave Barry on Jun 5, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh, cool.

by astrostl on Jun 5, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

same age

but it comes in as blond, brown, white, and gray

by BirdsonFire on Jun 5, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Color scheme? Yes. Coverage? Much Better.

I have dirty blond / light brown hair and a mostly red beard, with blond, brown, and black hairs just for fun. But I’ve been rocking the full playoff-style beard for 6 months now. A little light on the cheeks, but thick & lustrous for the Van Dyke, jawline & neck.

If I didn’t have to resort to hair coloring, I would love to copy my beard color scheme to my scalp.

Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.

by Solanus on Jun 5, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mascara. Lengthens AND broadens!

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jun 5, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Risk - A game of world domination played

By people who can’t manage their own lives…

by OCCardsFan on Jun 5, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

its really all about kamchatka

How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor

by themanthemyth on Jun 5, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To continue my pronunciation nitpicking from yesterday...

Can anybody tell me how Laynce Nix’s name is actually pronounced? I have been assuming it is pronounced like “Lance” but have yet to hear his name said on the radio because my ability to pay close attention to the games lately has been wanting (not from lack of desire, just real life stuff like, say, a six month old daughter taking priority).
I am dubious that it could actually be pronounced the way it is spelled, unless it is based on some sort of archaic French variant of Lance, or something like that. When I read it I can barely bring myself to pronounce it “Lance” even though I am pretty sure that is how it is supposed to be spelled. I can deal with unconventional spellings up to a point, because usually they at least make sense phonetically. When the unconventional spelling doesn’t even make sense when sounded out I have to draw a line in the sand.

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Lance"

I’ve only heard it pronounced this way.

by saladdays on Jun 5, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Said like Lance

his parents just wanted to show how happy they were to have a boy, and inserted his Y chromosone into his name. Which makes me think; Do I change my future son’s name from Blaine to Blayne? After writing that out, definitely not.

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is the Y chromosome story true?

Because if it is that’s pretty hilarious. I still stand by my statements though.

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's true in my mind of made up information

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just as good

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The upside of having a Blaine is that he will make the major leagues...

The downside is that after 2 semi-frustrating years, he will be released by two of the best organizations in baseball and probably be claimed by the Nationals.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blaine was my dad's middle name

so I was thinking it before I had even heard of Blaine Boyer, luckily I don’t think people will remember Blaine Boyer by the time he has friends, so his name won’t be too tarnished.

In hopes that TLR is still managing somewhere in 20 years, I am planning on training him to be a swtich hitting 2B

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget the grit

gotta have that extra high grit factor.

by ArkansasTravs on Jun 5, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep..

make sure your wife gives birth in a sandbox. Then little Blaine will be born into grit.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to make him sprint to the bottle

when it’s time for a feeding

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Once he gets there

make him dive head first.

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

don't most of them do that anyway?

maybe once he crowns I’ll yell “SAFE” and give the safe sign in the delivery room

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should call him "out"

so he starts to develop a tough skin and never ever takes anything for granted.

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I plan to train my son of the future

To be a field goal kicker. Not a flashy position in sports at all but one in great demand. Should at least get him a college scholarship

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna go the Long Snapper route.

Takes basically zero athletic ability and isn’t all that difficult to teach.

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

I was a long snapper

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was too in high school

and quit because I hated playing on the line. Now I look at a guy like Chris Massey and kick myself.

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel ya

I hated being on the O Line playing center. I got tired of some dude shoving his hands next to my balls every day while I am looking between my legs.

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 5, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've always said that if I could do it all over again

I would start training to be a place kicker in grade school and get a full ride to Hawaii and then see what happens from there.

that or, how does one go about becoming a bullpen catcher? has to be the best job ever.

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bullpen catcher sucks.

Thats a shitty job. You friggin’ squat all day and catch…and catch…and catch….

Not fun.

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what they make

but I guarantee it’s a heck of a lot more than most of us make. Put a sponge in your glove and hang out with all the goof balls in the bullpen. where do I sign up

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hip flask in your pocket is the most important part

of that uni.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't think its much.

Plus, I’d think the life of the job would be pretty short. Really hard on the knees and I doubt they’d be interested in you once you had to have your knees fixed once. There’s always some schmuck who will do that shit for peanuts and doesn’t care if he destroys his knees.

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that'd be me

besides, those knee saver things make a huge difference

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peyton Manning's backup

Best job in the world

I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain

by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but you still have to know the playbook

and that’s just a little too much reading for me

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always felt Tom Moore had the best job in sports.

He was the offensive coordinator for the Colts (just realized he retired) and his whole job consisted of him calling play and then standing there while Peyton Manning changed the play and then scored a touchdown.

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I thought

he gave peyton a bundle of plays and Peyton picked which one out of those, and then audibled if needed?

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Peyton did whatever the hell he wanted out there.

I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.

by Tackle Box on Jun 5, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty sure it's "Lance"

but remember that this is a guy whose brother is named Jayson (Jason). Their family loves the superfluous “y”.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 5, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot about that actually

Again, Jayson is totally fine with me because it makes sense. Laynce is too much of a stretch for me. Therefore, he and his entire family are bad bad people and suck at life. Phew. I feel better now.

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you say it lance

only you need to make sure everyone hears the uncertainty in the middle. It’s really more a Laa?nce.

by DanUpBaby on Jun 5, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And exactly how I have been pronouncing it in my head

Well done, Mr. Up.

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's how I say it to

Or I just go full out I’m-kidding-about-this-voice and call him “LAAAAYYYYYYYYNCE!” It’s easier that way.

by mojowo11 on Jun 5, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the unnecessary Y

his brother has the same issue.

I’m guessing it’s a family tradition. kinda like giving kids names that start with the same letter.

by _pistol_ on Jun 5, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although

they Y in his name phonetically makes more sense.

by saladdays on Jun 5, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

he does have that I-work-out-3-hrs-a-day, body building, gabe kapler kinda frame.

by _pistol_ on Jun 5, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a general question of the VEB community.

Todd is here, and will promptly destroy us all, so that makes most of this post pretty much useless.

I’m going to ask anyway.

We all pretty much agree that a trade of some sort is needed to upgrade the offense. OK, let’s look at it by position.

1b – Unless we can move Albert to another position and replace his production with that of Babe Ruth or Barry Bonds in his roid-rage prime, not gonna happen.

2b – You know, I think this may be an overlooked spot. I don’t know who is out there on the 2b market (Ill look on MLBtraderumors), but we COULD theoretically upgrade at 2b, dump Ank or Dunc, and move Skippy back to the OF. He is an upgrade with the glove and bat (right now) in LF. So, we could possibly trade for a 2b, and upgrade both the 2b position and the OF.

3b – Obviously the position with the big neon sign above it sayng “PLEASE find somebody!!!” Personally, since we are still above .500 and it’s early, I would love to give Joe Mather a try at 3b now that he seems to be healthy. If he doesn’t pan out, then we can look to fill that hole.

SS – The emergence of BRyan seems to have helped a ton here, as I am counting Greene as a lost cause. I don’t think there is much out there that would play defense as good as Ryan and still upgrade the offense. If there is, why not go for it?

OF – I have a hard time believing that we cannot find 3 guys that can hit from among the 37 outfielders we have right now. Unless we can really get a big-name star to hit behind or in front of Albert, I think we try to mix and match as well as we can with our current parts.

C – Yadi is there and not moving any time soon. Pornstache isn’t going anywhere either.

So, if I’m not missing anything, it looks to me like 2b, ss, and 3b make the most sense.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Skip might currently be an upgrade in LF

but even if he keeps doing what he’s doing, is that good enough for what a LF should do?

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Mark Loretta?

He could play a competent 2b or 3b, he’s right-handed, and his OBP is always around .350. He is currently riding the pine for the Dodgers. He shouldn’t cost too much to get.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jun 5, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know enough about him

How did the pig corner the breakfast market?

by STLRegalia on Jun 5, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't seen him play...

I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain

by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahah

nice. Have you seen what that Gary Sheffield character is doing for the Mets this year?

Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."

by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

.269/.406/.472

Consistent

I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain

by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Mets are really just one bat and one arm away from being a contender.

I won’t say they are a great team, but if they can add a cositent player or two to lead the clubhouse everyday they have a chance at making the playoffs.

Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."

by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But nobody can cosistenly carry that team like Sheff

I think pitching is going to be very important this year down the stretch. Davey Concepcion belongs in the Hall of Fame.

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 5, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, thats a statement from you.

Since I know you don’t like commenting on players who belong in the HOF, considering your status as president of the veterans committee.

Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."

by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all about concetration

You’re right, a bat, an arm, ‘concetration’, and focus.

And Gary Sheffield.

I know whom to call for a hole in my roof or a whole new roof.

by lightbulb on Jun 5, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They just need a pitcher with a good slide piece

I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain

by jd is legend on Jun 5, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Joe Morgan's All-time Lineup

1. Joe Morgan 2B
2. Pete Rose 3B
3. Willie Mays CF
4. Barry Bonds LF
5. Tony Perez 1B
6. Gary Sheffield RF
7. Johnny Bench C
8. Davey Concepcion SS
9. Slidepiece P

Reserves: Robinson Cano, Hustle, Cositency, 1972, Just for Men

Manager: Frank Robinson
Bench Coach: Sparky Anderson
GM: Billy Beane (just kidding; Joe Morgan)

Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."

by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

do these batters hit with sufficiently open stances?

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Jun 5, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

only if they cosistenty cocetrate, of course

Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."

by all4tookie on Jun 5, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Screw loretta

why don’t we just go get Durham or Grudz? They’re both free, and, last time I checked, unlike Skip, they’re above replacement level.

We could probably add 1-2 wins right now by picking one of them up, giving them the 2B job, and moving schu back to LF.

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 5, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mentioned Durham about a month ago

and had my head handed to me. Still think either of these guys would make sense.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 5, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

He’s such a perfect fit right now that there must be a reason why he hasn’t been called, imho.

- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc

by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think we have plenty of LH middle infielders IMO

you think he is really gonna outplay Thurston at 2B?

by FunkeeC on Jun 5, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Durham is RHB

Well, switch. And the age is certainly an issue.

- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc

by SleepyCA on Jun 5, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs