Viva El Birdos: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
Around SBN: Fedor vs Rogers Results and Live Coverage

League leaders, all-star voting, etc

So I like how the new All Star Game ballot lets fans see what a player's stats are... but found it to be pretty limited. So before voting any more, I wanted to do a little research and see who's shaping up to be someone good to vote for. And although you can only vote for hitters/position players, I also want to look at some good choices for pitchers to make the team, and of course, just to see how the season is shaping up so far.

First off, I am amazed at the season Jason Bartlett is puting together, sporting a mlb leading .373 batting average, .450 wOBA, 1.014 OPS, and 2.7 WAR all while playing plus defense at shortstop and stealing 14 bases so far. His BABIP is a little ridiculous, though. Still, I'll be voting for him at shortstop for the AL.

Next up, you can't deny what kind of a season Kevin Youkilis is having. His OPS is nearly identical to Albert Pujols, but he is leading the majors in wOBA. The guy is a solid defender, and his on-base percentage approaches .500. With a BABIP of .441 it's pretty doubtful he can keep up this level of play, but he can play first base or third and he has a high grit factor.

As an option if you don't like Youkilis (and illogically I'm tempted not to vote for him), there's Mark Texeira... he has a really high wOBA, a very decent OPS, good fielding, with a pretty low BABIP. 16 dingers doesn't hurt either. Carlos Pena is also having a fine season, but not quite as consistent so far.

It's pretty obvious who to pick at first base in the NL... your mang, Albert Pujols. Albert is rocking a .466 wOBA, yet has a very reasonable .313 BABIP. His ISO is 4th in the majors, at .337. For context, Albert's astounding 2008 season produced a .458 wOBA. Despite having an off year on defense, I would still trust his defensive capabilities to start the All Star Game.

Many thought the Phillies acquiring Raul Ibanez was a very bad move... but then again, the guy is having a ridiculous season. The NL is treating his not so good fielding quite well... while not being entirely accurate, at least he's putting up decent UZR numbers in '09. But mainly, I gotta like the guy having 19 home runs right now, an ISO of .366, and a 1.098 OPS. I'd throw him in the outfield and see what he can do with 3.1 WAR.

As much as I'd like to have Brad Hawpe in the lineup for the NL right now with his .439 wOBA, he is a scary bad defender. If Ibanez is going to be in the outfield, he's not much of an option, unless he's a bat off the bench with an OPS of 1.052. A far better option would be Justin Upton who is not as bad a defender, and is similarly capable at offense.

At 2B NL, gotta go with Chase Utley. He's a great defender, is at 2.5 WAR, .437 wOBA... and his ISO is his career best so far at .257. Vote Utley '09.

Another AL OF option is Adam Jones (not this Adam Jones). A .345 batting average is great, he's been sort of unpredictable at center field this year, but his career UZR/150 is 2.7 (1.8 in center). 2.3 WPA and 2.0 WAR are more nice incentives. Gonna vote for the guy I think.

For AL catcher, Victor Martinez is rocking 2.6 wins above replacement level. While I'm not too familiar with this player, his fielding stats don't seem toooo bad, and amazingly he is at .427 wOBA with an OPS of .992. Victor Martinez of the Indians should be catcher imo.

The best third baseman in the AL right now is Evan Longoria... .426 wOBA, 3.2 WAR, 13.8 UZR/150 (career 17.8). No doubt that this is the guy for 3B with elite stats like this.

Similarly, Hanley Ramirez should be starting at shortstop for the NL. The main concern being his defense, still it's at -7.4 for his career, not that horrendous... plus it is buoyed by his 2009 play at 12.8 (not too bad in '08 either). More importantly, he is 2.8 WAR, .971 OPS at shortstop, and is batting .344. Sweet.

Back to AL OF, Nelson Cruz of the Rangers is a great choice. .965 OPS, .416 wOBA, 2.5 WAR, plus defender, what's not to like?

Rounding out the outfield for the American League... I'm voting for Torii Hunter. The guy is a good defender, .417 wOBA, .976 OPS, 42 rbis. Not too shabby. Some would argue that Jason Bay would be a better choice, but he's more of a write in imo... he is not anywhere near as good an outfielder as Torii, and has a lower WAR this season.

To wrap up the AL voting, I'm going go with Ian Kinsler at the keystone. 2.6 WAR, improved defense this season, .398 wOBA, 11 stolen bases. Cool.

NL OF: I think Carlos Beltran is doing good enough to make the team. Mainly because of his .998 OPS. Some worrisome elements are his high BABIP and not so good defense this year, so I have to do the unthinkable and vote for 2 Brewers in the outfield: Mike Cameron and (annoyingly) Ryan Braun. Both of their WPAs are higher than Beltran's, as well as their ISOs. Mike Cameron is a better player than Braun at this point though.

btw, Kosuke Fukudome is having himself a very nice season... kind of makes up for this odd inclusion last season.

Third base is sort of a tough choice between Chipper Jones and Ryan Zimmerman. They are both batting .322, as well as having identical wOBA at .401. Weird. Their BABIPs are nearly identical too, but Zimmerman has a slight edge here probably. Shit, their OPS is basically equal too. In everything else though, it's not really close. Zimmerman has the fresh legs, and is just basically a better player at this point. While Chip's got the experience, Zimmerman's got the higher WPA, WAR, etc. Mainly it's the defense though. Ryan Zimmerman is way better there.

Finally, NL catcher should be Brian McCann. As much as I'd like to vote for Yadi, McCann is the far superior hitter and probably pretty comparable at defense. Yadi is a fine option though, obviously.

Star-divide

So, I'm going to make this next section about pitching much shorter. Can't vote for the pitchers anyway, so let's see who might make the squads... I am using a pretty simple new stat I made up today, an expansion of FWHIP in today's main thread... I call it FIBAWHIP, which means FIP + WHIP + BABIP (obviously BABIP isn't going to have much of an effect on the overall score). (Odd fact: Carp and Ron Villone are both 3 - 0)

NL Possibilities for Starting Pitchers

Chris Carpenter 2.789

Tim Lincecum 3.539

Javier Vazquez 4.034

Wandy Rodriguez 4.081

Johan Santana 4.147

Chad Billingsly 4.379

NL Bullpen options

Trevor Hoffman (!) 2.066

Jonathan Broxton 2.12

Ryan Madson 3.292

Jason Motte 3.983

AL Possibilities for Starting Pitchers

Zach Greinke 2.682

Justin Verlander 3.757

Roy Halladay 4.016

Andrew Bailey 4.173

Edwin Jackson 4.521

Darren Oliver (?) 4.07

AL Bullpen Options

Scott Downs 3.321

JP Howell 3.69

Matt Thornton 3.729

Scott Linebrink 4.249

 

I think the NL might actually win this year.

 

 

0 recs  |  Comment 33 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

More from Viva El Birdos

Patience...please!

Oct 2009 by chuckb - 457 comments

Trader Mo Redux

Oct 2009 by the red baron - 209 comments

Albert Pujols freakout #1

Oct 2009 by DanUpBaby - 647 comments

To Hit or not To Hit

Oct 2009 by chuckb - 709 comments

Vince Coleman Overflow Thread

Oct 2009 by DanUpBaby - 1183 comments

Comments

Display:

thank you, fangraphs.com

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 3:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ZOMG! HOW CUD U NOT VOTE ALL CARDINALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HOW CAN U CALL URZELF A REAL FAN & NOT VOTE 4 R SAVOR RICK ANKIEL?????????

HE ALMOST KILLED HIMZELF 4 US? WHAT MOR DOZ HE NEED 2 DO 2 ERN UR VOTE?????

UR NOT A REAL FAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan

by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 3:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just farted

fwiw

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i should not post after 3am

It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan

by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's all good

I shouldn’t stay up for hours writing these things, and leave out Dan Haren and not realizing Andrew Bailey isn’t a starter (wow, I really don’t know the AL very well).

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you

that was an Epic Humor fail on my part.

i think it’s best you left out Danny. i still cry a little every time i see him or hear his name.

i’d be crying right now, but i’m fresh outta tears.

It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan

by gdm426 on Jun 5, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I think I have put Dan Haren into my blocked out areas of my subconscious. sorry, Dan

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Carp’s been almost Greinke-esque so far this year – and I dunno if you even included his gem last night? I’d think he’s got to start for the NL (although Johan/Lincecum should really be up there too). Throw in Haren and Billingsley and the NL looks pretty unhittable this year…

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 5, 2009 6:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it was included

crap, how did I forget Haren, sheesh. late night, eh. I wouldn’t mind seeing Carp start for the NL if they don’t make him pitch very long

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and for what it's worth

one of your options for AL starter (Andrew Bailey) is actually closing for Oakland at the moment.

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 5, 2009 6:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

crap

by the time I got to the pitching section, I was kinda rushing it

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think.....

AP, Molina, and Carp should all start for the home crowd.

That said, I can’t see anybody else I’d add from our roster.

Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan

by SoonerfanTU on Jun 5, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

definitely Pujols and Carp

I’m on the fence about Yadi, I’ll change my mind if he starts hitting well again

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

but in his defense, I don’t see too many other hot catchers out there. I agree that Yadi’s maybe marginal.

I just realised you said “start” – I’m not sure Yadi’d be one of my three, but I’d definitely start McCann, on merit….

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 5, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I’d start McCann, have Yadi as backup

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what does everyone think of

Victor Martinez and Nelson Cruz? I didn’t really know who those two were before I wrote this

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think V-Mart's been splitting time between C, 1B and DH for the indians

he’s a good hitter, in fact exceptional for a catcher, but I think it’s probably not going to be his primary position, long-term. I’m no expert on catcher defence but I think he’s considered below-average, and they like to get his bat in every day.

I don’t know much about Cruz either but he’s been blistering the ball and a lot of folk picked him as a fantasy sleeper this year, so I’ll guess he has significant pedigree. He finished 08 super-strong from what I recall.

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FIBAWHIP!

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think I prefer FFFWAAPPP

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, you really went to town with the stats

Nice job. I would vote for Carpenter fer sher, he’s been too good already.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on Jun 5, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks

Carpenter looks to be a shoe in

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

with this little project

I looked at wOBA at first, then parsed it down by making sure the player could at least play passable D for their position. It looks like the AL has the edge on offense, and the NL has the edge in pitching this year… wouldn’t it be weird if Motte makes the team? Highly unlikely, but he is doing very well so far.

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here are results as of earlier this week

American League
National League

I don’t know why MLB buries these behind a gazillion different pages instead of making a clear ASG link from their main page. It’s like it’s a big secret or something.

by BTown Birds fan on Jun 5, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

it’s weird

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cmon everyone

let’s bump Nelson Cruz, Adam Jones, Victor Martinez, Ryan Zimmerman, and Mike Cameron up towards the top!

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mike Cameron, no

All of the others, yes.

Brought to you by Karl's Jr.

by The_teague on Jun 5, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's fine

I can understand that

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 5, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cameron's very good though

low average players seem to be almost entirely underrated by trad baseball logic… Branyan and Dunn have both been victims of that in recent years.

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know

ever since the All-Star game started “counting” I have been very tempted to vote for chumps in the AL or just not vote for AL players at all, and the temptation is even easier since I don’t follow it nearly as closely and have to do more research. And the temptation is there even though I am fully aware that the home field advantage silliness really hasn’t had much of an impact on the serieseseses’ outcomes and is a dumb excuse to shaft the AL. I hate you Bud Selig, even though we might be related by marriage…

There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".

by mattybobo on Jun 8, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's what I did last season

I voted for the worst options for the AL… but I also like to get guys like Nelson Cruz into the game, because no one has heard of him before

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 8, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the Internet's #1 St. Louis Cardinals blog.
Start posting about the Cardinals »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Stl_ia_card_45_-_dark_small
Jeff Pearlman Thinks Of Hair Clumps When He Thinks Of The Thief McGwire
Black-spider-monkey_small
Losing my religion (w/ baseball)

Recent FanPosts

Small
40 Man Question..
Cathybachebay1_small
The current Busine$$ of Baseball...how long can it last?
Avatar_small
VEB CheBird T-Shirt for Sale - Red or Powder Blue, CLEARANCE
Stl_ia_card_45_-_dark_small
October Lore: One In A Million
St-louis-cardinals-script_small
A Team of Free Agents
St-louis-cardinals_small
Report: LaRussa Will Return
Small
Skip's Lament: The Curse of Too Many Decent Players
Stlcardinals4070_small
Closer Fail

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Managers

Jack_benny_small DanUpBaby

Editors

Bender1_small azruavatar

Adam1_small chuckb

Trigun_001_small the red baron