Morning Thread: Khalil likely to hit DL
Morning entry's going to be late—I'm a little under the weather, which has made dragging gamelogs for Joe Thurston baserunning gaffes a more painful exercise than usual.
I was at the game yesterday, and after Greene's response to his last strikeout I figured something would happen. The odd thing is that it was the angriest—the most stereotypically ballplayer—he's been all year; at this point, after working so hard to get back, I can understand sullenness boiling over into frustration. I'll be pulling for him whether he makes it back this year or not.
On a lighter note, clicking through will get you this quote: "(Thirteen pitchers) was too good for us," said La Russa.
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standings-watching
Forget the NL Central. We’ve got to get past the Giants. The Central as a whole was sitting on the Wild Card but the West is making a run. That’s the benchmark I’ll be watching.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 29, 2009 8:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I'll wait at least until after the ASB to worry about the wild card
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I think the phillies/mets/maybe even braves will make a run at it. I’d be surprised if the NL central wins the WC this year, somehow. The Cubs are the team I’m worried about, still.
I think Mo’s right to trade some depth in an effort to compete this year, however – the NL as a whole looks very weak. With the exception of the Dodgers, I’m not sure there’s a single genuinely good ballclub in the NL. Make the post-season and we probably only have to beat one good team to make the world series. The NL won’t be this mediocre (necessarily) in years to come so it’s not a bad year to try to make some impact trades.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 29, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it's the trade I clamored for.
I guess the proof will be in the pudding.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jun 29, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my view also
The NL in general looks super weak. The 1.5 to 2 games that DeRosa might add to the team might be the difference between the Playoff’s and not making it. If DeRosa becomes the difference between the playoff’s and not making it than the trade was an absolute success. They talk about a players per win equaling around $4.4M but the last few wins are the most important. If he is the difference it is closer to a multiple of 3. His value will be closer to $13M to $26M for just 1 to 2 wins.
That would make the trade look quite a bit closer in terms of value. Plus, if he walks we get a draft pick. With is another $3M or so.
(P.S All numbers were pulled half way out of my ass based on older articles vaguely remembered.)
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind too much
if he either accepted arbitration or they resigned him on a 2 yr deal. That would give the organization more time to decide if the Walrus is MLB ready at 3B or needs to switch positions or be traded.
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 29, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it gives us flexibility in the OF
Particularly with Ankiel leaving (please lord) next year.
by Ray Lankford on Jun 29, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the article I was looking for... I think
It was by Nate Silver a few years back for BP but you need a subscription to read it. If anyone has a Subscription check it out
Value of an acquisition in terms of reaching the playoffs
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a link
To an article by James Click.
by Cardinals645 on Jun 29, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
it’s actually a study he did in one of the books, so there’s no link.
by Cardinals645 on Jun 29, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That explains the smell...
(I couldn’t resist making that joke)
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 29, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The numbers
They were in his butt … and it stinks in there.
Ok, I’m glad we got that one cleared up. Next silly question! Next!
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on Jun 29, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. I was trying to make a joke at your expense but failed.
I could have swore I hit reply to your post but somehow I got bumped down the list.
(P.S All numbers were pulled half way out of my ass based on older articles vaguely remembered.)
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 29, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We call them peakers
n/t
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on Jun 30, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just like knowing there are two tickets to punch to the playoffs
Even if it’s Comedy Central, it’s got more teams and more teams in contention. I would prefer the odds being in our favor.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 29, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am scared of the Giants also
With that said where in the hell did the Rockies come from
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Origin:
It all started in St. Louis and now it’s back to the future and 2007 all over again.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the rockies are on a roll
rocknroll
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of rocknroll
and music. I’m probably the last civilized person to use Pandora radio. It is beyond awesome.
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 29, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes
Pandora rulz
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i thought Pandora was a box that if opened destroyed the world?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 29, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
go ahead
open it up
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought Pandora was a woman that was not to be tempted
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jun 29, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clint Hurdle has got to be pissed right now
I don’t know much about him as a manager, but that team pretty much stunk under him. Tracy comes aboard and BOOM they’re a contender all of a sudden. I can’t imagine that team is as bad as they played under Hurdle or as good as they’re playing now.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 29, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's all relative
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tracy sucked in Pitt
and didn’t live up to expectations in LA. this is totally a shock that team is playing that well under him
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 29, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he learned something?
You guys never want to give players or managers any credit. for learning anything. Doesn’t anyone think these guys are capable of learning from their past mistakes?
Tracy made one key change-he switched Garret Atkins-who was a black hole in the line up- for Ian Stewart. Then he finally just gave Clint Barmes a regular role-he stopped switching him in and out of the line up, in and out of different positions, and up and down between the majors and the minors. So maybe he did see something Hurdle didn’t see, or he decided a change couldn’t be worse so why not? Maybe he’s become a better talent evaluator, or a better communicator.
Maybe it’s all good luck. Still, it is quite possible that he did learn some things he needed to know to be a better manager while failing miserably.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Jun 29, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Things will crash soon enough.
He’s not half the manager Hurdle is, expect a major regression to the mean…….
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by Tackle Box on Jun 29, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Timing of the DeRosa Deal
What I hadn’t considered was the stretch of games upcoming for the Redbirds. We play 4 this week vs. San Fran (the Wild Card leader), then 3 at Cincy, then 3 at Milwaukee, then 4 at Chicago. The next two weeks make up a huge stretch to our season and having DeRosa bolsters a lineup in need of some bolstering as we head into this critical stretch.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes me even more giddy about this deal
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 29, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How 'bout the fact...
that Cincy and the Brewers were in heavy on him, and I think the Mets were interested as well. Just keeping him off of their rosters is a big plus for the trade in my mind. Two or three years from now we may not like this deal so much (especially if it doesn’t lead to cold-weather baseball), but right now I think it’s a win for both teams.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Jun 29, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does that make it, in effect, a 4-win trade.
Not only do we add 2 wins to our team, but eliminate the two wins any other team would have gained as well.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jun 29, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, Al
we really do…
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 29, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
early bird today for cfic
don’t know what to make of Khalil Greene. hope he can figure things out.
hillarious quote by Ton-L
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
more memphis injuries too
also in the article was this note about Bryan Anderson. Impacts a trade chip probably more than a 2009 promotion.
Memphis catcher Bryan Anderson, one of the Cardinals’ top prospects for several years, may miss the rest of the season with a separated left shoulder after he was hurt in a collision at home plate a few days ago.
by ubeddie on Jun 29, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anderson is rapidly becoming a non-prospect
at least in the way he’s viewed by the media. It’s sad how our high-minors strength has all but combusted this year through injuries and ineffectiveness. Three guys who might’ve been centrepieces in big trades in the last two years are now virtual afterthoughts (Anderson, Bombs, Garcia), although I think some or all of those three could be relevant again in the future…. Still, it’s been kindof humbling how our superior depth has been exposed by bad luck this year.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 29, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garcia
I know that you know this, but I’m just adding it. Garcia had Tommy John surgery, so there isn’t any reason to suspect that he won’t be back in the mix next season and possibly in St. Louis come 2011. It’s telling that our best pitching prospect, as Az has opined over at Future Redbirds, may be one who is rehabbing from Tommy John surgery.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard Garcia was already throwing again?
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 29, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is
I wish I remembered where I saw it. But he is throwing his fastball but just not his breaking stuff yet. He might be even ready to come back by the end of the minor league system.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I read he has started rehabbing his arm (which included throwing). I can’t remember if it was from a mound, though. Hopefully, it goes better than Kinney’s.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as he doesn't break his arm...
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 29, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The top two teams in the system...
…that being of course STL and MEM seem completely incapable of hitting. If nothing else, the system is set up in a way that hitting failures from one player can be overcome by promoting or giving more PT for a player who is supposed to be similar, or at least a passable comp., to another. In theory, if Luddy struggles he can be spelled by Mather. Rasmus could be spelled, to some extent at least, by Jay. Freese and Craig were theoretically similar players. A serious Molina injury could give Anderson some at-bats…and so on and so forth.
However, considering that NO ONE is hitting and several are seemingly compromised by injury, this depth becomes illusory at best and non-existent at worst. It’s a frustrating and troubling situation. As you noted, it’s as if the system’s depth seems to have internally combusted.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 29, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
injuries...
have really hit the Memphis lineup hard when it comes to guys we were depending on to bolster the STL team. I’m thinking most of us expected Mather to spend all of 2009 with the Cards, and he won’t play at all. Freese hasn’t gotten over the ankle injury, and he could have been a big boost to our 3B woes.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Jun 29, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
worst baserunning gaffe yet
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I missed the game yesterday
What happened now?
by paposse on Jun 29, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they stopped somebody at third base, and thurston kept running to third...
so he had to turn back to second and was out by a mile… bases woulda been loaded.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good grief
It’s getting to the point where I get pissed everytime he’s in the line up. Tony is usually a ‘play the hot hand’ guy, but Thurston keeps getting starts.
Can’t we just plant DeRo at 3rd permanently now? Alternate Ryan, Greene at SS and have Thurston back up Schu…
by paposse on Jun 29, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
Thurston didn’t start yesterday, but came into the game later on, and still messed up
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His inability to run the bases beyond the skill of 9-year-old Little Leaguer is uncanny
I hope they send him to AAA, and soon, because he has reached the category of a “groaner.” Whether I’m watching on T.V. at home or listening to Shannon and Rooney on the radio, whenever I hear Thurston’s name or see him, I groan. How will he create an out on the base paths today?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW...
Larue would have scored easily on the play IMO. And was ten foot around the third base bag when he stopped. Thurston still should have picked up Oquendo, but I give the secret weapon a little bit of blame there. The rest of what you said…+1.
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 29, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Oquendo should have sent LaRue. Thurston should not have run to third. Both were in the wrong.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thurston should not have run to third
If Oquendo was stopping him. Natural baseball instinct says first-to-third on a soft grounder up the middle. You still gotta use your head and your third base coach though.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jun 29, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am probably more ambivalent about Thurston than any Cards player I can remember
I really liked the signing in the summer, I liked some aspects of his game (surprising patience) but was surprised how bad he was in other areas (less power than his MiLB numbers might suggest, worse defensively than I thought he was going to be, less good of a contact hitter than expected, terrible baserunning etc). I think we perhaps disproportionately pile on the guy but, yeah, he’s sucking at the moment and doing all those things that drive you crazy as a fan. I’d appreciate it if he was a bat off the bench and 3rd/2nd base depth, and nothing more. Joe Thurston is not an every day major leaguer, period.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 29, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's where I come down too
We just see waaay too much of him and that overexposure really magnifies his deficiencies.
Of course, I’m pretty sure I’d never pinch-run Thurston. Ever.
by goodymobb on Jun 29, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but what makes this
doubly irritating is that of all the deficiencies a player can have, the ability to not get picked off base or to overrun a base in a crucial situation is the one that’s easiest to fix! Thurston can’t fix his lack of HR power but he can damn well avoid risky baserunning maneuvers.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 29, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i feel i need to defend thursty
if you read the pd recap, they address this. TLR gives Thurston a pass on it being “one of those plays.”
Joe Thurston, who has had several misadventures on the bases lately, then ran into an out to ruin what might have been a potentially big rally in the ninth.
With Jason LaRue at second and Thurston at first and one out, pinch hitter Chris Duncan singled to center. Third-base coach Jose Oquendo cautiously held LaRue at third, but Thurston went around second too far and was trapped off on a throw from Twins center fielder Carlos Gomez.
“When (Thurston) made his turn, (Oquendo) was waving him on,” La Russa said. "Then he put his head down and looked again and (Oquendo) had held (LaRue) up.
“That’s a tough one. It’s hard to blame Joe on that. You’ve got to look down and touch the base. Joe’s aggressive, got a great jump, probably could have gotten to third base. Joe’s made a couple of baserunning mistakes, but I don’t think that was one of them.”
Some 20 minutes after the game, Thurston stopped by La Russa’s office to apologize and La Russa said roughly the same thing to Thurston that he had told the media.
“I’m not even watching Jose,” La Russa said, “but I guarantee you Jose thought it would be a little risky. Jason’s not a ‘plus’ runner, so he held (LaRue).”
Thurston said, "We were down four runs and I knew we can’t be too aggressive. But the ball was hit up the middle and I looked and LaRue was being waved home, so right when I hit the (second-base) bag, I looked down at the bag to make sure I touched the bag. Right after I touched the bag, I looked up and (Oquendo) had his hands up, stopping (LaRue). I guess I was a little too far off the bag to get back.
“It was just one of those plays, one of those things.”
Sounds to me like Joe picked up Jose prior to getting to second, saw Jose waiving him on, put his head down to round second at full speed, then picked him back up (which is what you are supposed to do) and had to put the breaks on. Throw came into second and got him. Heads-up throw, “heads-down” baserunning.
In no way does it excuse Joe’s previous gaffes, but lets not assemble a base-running mob just yet.
In no way was the last statement bigoted or racist, simply an expression.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jun 29, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
block quote fail
BOOOO me.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jun 29, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still a good point of view
Thanks
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't buy it
i read that yesterday & it sounds like the team typically covering for one of “Tony’s Guys”. Thuston f’ed up big time. he’s done it before, and he’ll do it again. he’s just that bad.
if Boog or Colby did that i guarandamntee you the paper & the team would have thrown them under the bus.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 29, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again,
knowing time, score, and situation is a BIG ASS DEAL!!!!!!! You have a slow footed runner in front of you, a ball that’s not hit very hard into the outfield and you’re FOUR RUNS DOWN IN THE BALLGAME!!! There’s no need to be aggressive at that point because your run means absolutely nothing in the context of the situation. The guy at the plate is the tying run and he’s only the tying run if you don’t make an out on the bases, so there’s no need to be aggressive in that situation.
Tony’s covering for Joe because Joe seems to be a LaRussa favorite this season, that’s how I’m reading this. It was an infinitely stupid play on his part and it comes from not thinking about the situation he was in.
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by fourstick on Jun 29, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah. I was at the game, and. . .
Oquendo was absolutely right to hold up LaRue and was emphatic in doing it the whole time. Down four in the eighth, his run means absolutely nothing, and you take no chances in that position. Thurston has to think that through and know that he’s going to get held up.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 29, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if pornstache gets sent it negates the force at 3B
and can perhaps move the guy at 1B to 2B if there’s a throw to the plate. Of course, it’s a balancing act, and the out is FAR more damaging than the run/moving on the runners is positive. I’d say the blame lies 70-30 with Thurston (the rest w/ the Secret Weapon…)
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 29, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game as well...
and vehemently disagree. Larue scores standing up, and if the throw goes through it’s second and third with one out. Still doesn’t excues Thurston for not picking up his coach, but I don’t think the stop sign was the right sign there at all.
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 29, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen LaRue run?
No offense, but LaRue wasn’t even to third yet when the CF was picking the ball up. Granted, I don’t know what kind of arm the CF has there, but with Schu, (Molina? Wainwright?), Pujols coming up, you don’t take any risk there when the run means absolutely nothing.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 29, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're wrong..
Larue was already coming to a stop 10 foot past the bag when the CF came up with the ball. There is a good screen shot of this that HL put up in the overflow thread yesterday. Larue is no speed-demon, but he scores easily on that play. And it’s not so much about the run, but more about the other runner(s) advancing and eliminating the DP risk if the throw to the plate is made.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Jun 29, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Skippy coming up next (I think)
eliminating the DP threat (or at least one of the possible force-outs) was a smart thing to do. If LaRue was going to force a play at the plate, it advances everyone one base anyhow. I kinda agree that that’s only a small advantage compared to the heinous loss of a (potential) out, but from what I saw, LaRue should’ve made it home quite easily.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 29, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skip GIDP?
I thought that was Colby’s specialty?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 29, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparently you havent been paying attention
a ground ball to 2nd is skip’s forte
by FunkeeC on Jun 29, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rasmus and Skippy have each GIDP 3 times
Unsuprisingly, Yadi has done so 11 times, leading the club. Second on that list, with 9, is The Great Pujols. Might he be human?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
Colby’s last two have just been recent and in big situations
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 29, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
he beat one out over the weekend, so I seems like he’s had more.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 29, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, LaRue is very, very slow.
Earlier in the game he hits a fairly soft single and the CF comes up firing to get someone at the plate and despite the throw home, LaRue couldn’t/didn’t move himself into scoring position (2B).
LaRue’s run meant very, very little and the risk of getting hung out to dry and 2 outs as you’re in the process of mounting a rally far outweights the 3rd run you might’ve tacked on had Jason LaRue scored on that play.
by goodymobb on Jun 29, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the game thread someone (i forget who)
posted pretty definitive game stills showing the CF not even reaching the ball until after joe was nearly half way to second. LaRue may be slow but he would have been a 100 foot longer throw.
Decrease runs scored?
Maybe.
Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
-SFTU
by hazel on Jun 29, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardcore did
a link is two comments below
by ubeddie on Jun 29, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan backs up Schu hopefully
And T Greene backs up SS.
by sdrone on Jun 29, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Link to yesterday's second thread
Hardcore Legend posted two shots of the play in yesterday’s overflow thread.
by ubeddie on Jun 29, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ah
so now we have Thurston and Oquendo to blame ;0)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the pointer
I was at the game yesterday and I was already marking down the run as scored when I looked up to see Thurston wildly back-peddling to second. It took me a couple of moments to figure out what went down.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Jun 29, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mort up?
I see on FR the guys are reporting that Mort got the call up last night. Does that mean Khalil is done?
Also, what does that do to the Memphis rotation with Mort, Thompson and Hawk all up? Can we give them Wellemeyer? (/wishful thinking)
by paposse on Jun 29, 2009 9:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I bet they'll give KG another chance, but he'll be on the DL again with anxiety issues
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history tells us again and again how GOB points out the folly of man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Mortenson
will be inserted into the bullpen and pitch once every four days and bail out Wellemeyer from another lousy start.
by nmstar on Jun 29, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did KG do after his last strikeout?
I didn’t see it, or much of the game, but DanUp makes it seem like he blew up again?
by Jhusk on Jun 29, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he dropped the "f" bomb
very loudly- and the broadcast caught it. it was kind of funny hearing the announcers apologize. I don’t know if more anger was vented once he got to the dug out.
I want to be the no-talent ass clown!
by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 29, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow... an F-Bomb gets you the DL
I’m glad my Little League coaches didn’t know this.
by Anonymous Communist on Jun 29, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hunched himself over
it was one of those where the room goes quiet
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 29, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's nice to see us wildly burning even more option years on potentially useful minor league arms
I realise with #4/5-ceiling guys like Mort/Boggs/Hawk etc it’s not so important, but it does seem that we’ve run this roster very oddly this year… I like Mort but I’m not especially high on his chances of succeeding at MLB level. Too hittable, I think. I’d like to see him kept in AAA to (hopefully) compile a solid season then shipped out in a trade at some point.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 29, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Mort
I think he will do well under Duncan. He is a heavy Groundball pitcher. I am just not so sure about him coming out of the bullpen
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Mortenson is up
I hope it is Tyler Greene that is down. It’s not that I don’t like Greene, it’s just that I don’t think he is quite ready. He has always struck out a lot in minors (although good power) and right now I don’t think he will really provide what Cards need in offense.
by ridgesee on Jun 29, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Thurston is down
but with K. Greene going to the DL, looks like we get more mighty joe
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 29, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa replaces Thurston in my eyes
Thurston at least has a good batting eye. He still takes walks while T Greene looks just fooled out there
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
too bad your eyes are TLR's eyes
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 29, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all depends...
if Thurston really becomes a utility guy instead of a 3/4 starter at 3B I’m for sending Greene down and getting him some regular AB’s. If TLR is going to persistently put Joe in the lineup I hope Mo sends him down!
On a related note…what is Joe’s option status?
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Jun 29, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If K-Greene is DL'd, he can get those PAs via his rehab assignment
If we sent Thurston down, he won’t be on the roster. I consider this a plus.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other...
Greene.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Jun 29, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between the two players on defense
Is far greater than on offense. Greene is probably 20 runs better than Thurston at third over a full season, while Thurston is at most 5 runs better on offense.
Numbers pulled out of ass, but should be pretty close
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jun 30, 2009 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting tidbit from Duncan on Perez in the story linked to:
Duncan probably would have preferred that Perez not have to be dealt, but he said, “The objective is to try to win. And it takes more than pitching.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
acknowledging our pitching is our best thing going for us now
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes
He was also against trading Haren, IIRC……
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jun 29, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The writer said
“Duncan probably would have preferred…”
Implies inference. I’m not worried about Perez becoming the next Danny Haren.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 29, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not either
Just stirring the pot ;)
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jun 29, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pot, did someone say pot?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
ba-zing...
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 29, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmmmm pot
They are actually making a big deal about pot right now in Chicago. About this “Super Marijuana” which is turning kids into zombies. It is apparently some dank Purple Kush.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA
If I read exactly what you wrote in a Jim Rome voice, that would pretty much cover a little part of the silliness that was his “burn” the other day.
“Look, G, we know you blow tree…just because you like to puff the MJ don’t treat us like we’re stupid. We know you like to hit the dank and you expect us to believe that you never bake and that you picked the WBC as one of your very isolated incidents to burn the ganj? Unreal.” - Jim Rome, or at least a very slightly exaggerated version of what he said (but that was the gist and it was amazingly awkward/funny)
by goodymobb on Jun 29, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Rome is okay when he doesn't make himself the focus
…BBBBUUUUUTTTT….that rarely happens. Some of his interviews are okay, but his “takes” are just useless. When Everett smacked him around I cheered because I hate smug journalists (or whatever you want to call Rome) who pass personal judgments on athletes. If you want to criticize their performance, that’s fair game. If it wasn’t this site wouldn’t exist…but calling people soft or wimps or Chris is too far.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 29, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calling him a wimp
is part of criticizing his performance. You can’t very well play QB if you’re getting hit by phantom tacklers.
I’d take Rome’s brand of smugginess, where he’s just being upfront with his opinions and thoughts, over Stuart Scott’s smugginess, which is more of a “I’m the shit,” (especially if you’ve ever watched Stump the Schwab. Schwab does is pretty bad too.) brand.
by Cardinals645 on Jun 29, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't bear to listen to Rome...
I wish the local station would rack him (put him on the shelf). He is so pompous and annoying, and he absolutely wears out his catch phrases.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Jun 29, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Puh-Leeeze.
obnoxious voice
Decrease runs scored?
Maybe.
Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
-SFTU
by hazel on Jun 29, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I refuse to listen anymore...
I can’t make it five minutes…
by stlfan on Jun 29, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least they are not out wreaking havoc on the city. Instead they are wreaking havoc on hostess cup cakes.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 29, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were trying to compare Marijuana to crack and cocaine
Give me a break. Go ask a cop the last time he had to wrestle someone down cause he was to high on pot.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude I toked sum a dat dis morna
good shi mang
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jun 30, 2009 4:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I posted something about this yesterday I think
but did you (or anyone) happen to see Jim Rome talking about Soto’s pot bust? It was the funniest thing ever…..
by goodymobb on Jun 29, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I haven’t heard anything Soto getting busted for weed. MLB players don’t get tested for it that I am sure of.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But country's do
it was during the classic
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 29, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure if you're being sarcastic or not
but he tested positive during the WBC
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 29, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I for one
am FAR more concerned that the ptbnl might be Jess Todd, than I am at the loss of Perez. YP could turn into something decent but it’s a relatively slim chance (IMO) that he can improve his control overnight. He’s a good bullpen arm, and was decent value for DeRosa, due more to his upside than his performance so far. However, if they net Todd too (who I think could still be an average MLB starter, and has potential to be at least as good as someone like KMac very soon in the pen IMO) that’ll be a great haul for DeRo, even if we do net a sandwich pick in next year’s draft as compensation.
It also worries me a bit about next year’s pen – KMac, prob Franklin, Motte and Reyes are all definites, but there’s a bit of a lack of impact righties at the high end of the system. If Kinney can find what he had in 06 and can be used more as a ROOGY, I like the look of it, but I think we’re still an impact righty short of a decent bullpen in 2010 if Todd’s gone. Also, I think we’re not going to see the KMac of early 2008 again – I reckon he’ll level out to be a decent middle reliever but not much more, and the jury’s still a little bit out on Franklin’s “improvements” this year and Motte’s hunt for a #2 pitch…
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 29, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Todd
I agree with your assessment of his upside; however, what I think we are failing to recognize is the organization’s impression of him. To me, they seemed very quick to remove him from the rotation—overly quick, even. They have stayed the course, even in the face of poor performance from elsewhere in the Memphis rotation. This makes it clear to me that they do not see Todd as a starter in any way, shape, or form. It also makes me wonder how they value him today, as a reliever. I think that the folks here and at Future Redbirds (writers and community members, myself included) might have a higher opinion of Todd than the F.O. and, for this reason, think he very well could be the PTBNL.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know
and it’s been widely rumoured (perhaps inaccurately) that he’s on the list, along with Samuel. I’d be fine with losing Samuel, wild flame-throwing relievers who walk a batter per inning in AA aren’t that hard to find, guys like Todd are more valuable though, IMO. The move to relief also seems wierd if they were planning on trading him – he’s surely more valuable to another team if he’s stretched out as a starter…
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 29, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
The Indians are relatively wily and this could be the impetus for their targeting him. They could see Todd as a possible starter, get him included on the list because the Cards value him as a reliever, and attempt to get him as the PTBNL because the Cards have undervalued him in the Indians’ eyes.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will be pissed off if Todd is the PTBNL
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As will I
I mean, the guy threw me a baseball he had used in warm-ups when we sat by the Redbirds’ bullpen during their early season visit to Des Moines. Sentimentality alone dictates that he not be traded. Plus, his nickname is “Destroyer.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know that he was on that list that FoxSports put out
But honestly I can’t believe the FO would trade Todd. He is our next best reliever in training in case something happened. He is not a starter any more so he is most apt to pitching out of the bullpen. It just doesn’t make any sense to me.
I know we have quite a few options for RHP but it just doesn’t make any sense. I think the PTBNL has to be traded by the end of the minor league season. I just don’t believe it.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Todd
Todd shredded two levels of the minors as a starter and held his own at Memphis. It seemed like the organization was just waiting for an excuse to toss him to the bullpen, where most experts had him pinned anyway. I don’t know if he is a starter, but by just tossing him out the ’pen the FO will never know either.
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 29, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seemed premature at the time and still seems premature
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's a great way to put it
As I said, the organization is depriving itself of an opportunity to see if Todd can be a starter. This way they can only speculate…if they’d given him a longer leash than they’d know one way or the other.
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 29, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They put him in the pen so in five years DD can be brilliant,
and suggest he be converted into a starter.
Decrease runs scored?
Maybe.
Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
-SFTU
by hazel on Jun 29, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this is MOs version of moneyball...
Draft power arms that move quickly through the system and trade them for major league pieces before they have a chance to be exposed and lose value.
Everyone is always looking for bullpen arms.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 29, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be so excited if that was actually the plan
That seems like a great strategy.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jun 30, 2009 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uhoh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is what I was thinking when I read that quote jd.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 29, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A friend of mine who is a Cubs fan just sent me this link from the Cubs' Official Site:
<a href="http://Duncan probably would have preferred that Perez not have to be dealt, but he said, “The objective is to try to win. And it takes more than pitching.”" >DeRosa deal elicits mixed feelings
(If someone else has linked to this already, I apologize.)
“I think it [stinks],” Cubs shortstop Ryan Theriot said of the deal that sent DeRosa from the Cleveland Indians to the St. Louis Cardinals for Chris Perez and a player to be named.
-[snip]—-
“He’s going to the Cardinals,” Theriot said Sunday. “What do you want me to say? ’It’s good? I’m glad? I’m happy for him?’ He’s going to our division contender. I’m excited for him. I know what type of player he is and what he brings to a ballclub, so yeah, I don’t want to see him in our division, much less the Cardinals. He’ll help them. He’ll help them tremendously.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’ll help them. He’ll help them tremendously
as opposed to Milton Bradley, heh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoops
reverse quote action going on
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this made me chuckle
Phil Rogers at the Chicago Tribune is fed up with Carlos Zambrano and thinks the Cubs should waive him and take anything another club is willing to give. Not a great week for Cubs fans, eh?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 29, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where is that from?
Because that’s pretty funny.
As to Phil Rogers. Really, with Zambrano, you know that you are getting a mentally unstable individual. He is what he is. I don’t know why this weekend would be camel back-breaking straw to anyone, even an antagonistic writer for the Chicago Tribune. Clearly, the Cubs are okay with having crazy people on their club. (Yes, that whole little side note was merely typed as an excuse to link to the photo of Milton Bradley derangedly hurling a bag of baseballs onto Dodger Stadium’s infield.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLBTR
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 29, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He barely went 6 innings again yesterday
But I dunno what the quote’s about. Have to check Phil’s wackiness in the Trib.
by sdrone on Jun 29, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
Send them a bag of balls, and make them pay the rest of the contract
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jun 29, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno.
They might demand another one of our scrappy infielders.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Jun 29, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Miles and Joe Thurston for Chicago's double play tandem!
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jun 29, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This came up in another thread
but I’ll address it here as well. Photos of Mark DeRosa’s wife, however attractive you may find her, do not need to be posted here. Turns out Google is a free service and a) the pictures are objectifying, which I suspect marginalizes some of the female readers, and b) they’re a little risky for those that read the comments at work.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Jun 29, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry
fwiw, I found that while looking for a picture of Mark Derosa in a Cardinals uniform to use as my desktop at work, surrounded by Cubs fans
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know if you've found one yet,
but StLToday’s Cards section has a few you could screengrab.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 29, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thnx
I found a really small pic that I have to tile, maybe there’ll be some higher res ones on there
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about this one?
too risqué?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 29, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
now that's hawt
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was a great futurama episode...
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 29, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez, AZ, get over yourself.
It was lighthearted banter. Nothing inappropriate was said.
And, she was a model. If she didn’t want people posting her pictures, then she would not have posed for them in the first place.
I seem to remember Cardsgirl talking about how yummy she thought Rick Ankiel is. Should you ban all photos of him as well?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Jun 29, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were
you around the other day for the NSFW bacon photos?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 29, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was I ever!
(((Adjusts Tie)))
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
People do read at work
And, I have to imagine that more than a few bosses would not take kindly to such photos. One can just as easily link to such photos and those who wish to see them can click on that link. I don’t see anything wrong with taking them down.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I made my remark yesterday
I just remembered how pretty she was doing the little cook show on TV in Atlanta. I did not know there was spicy photos of her on Google or that the was voted the hottest baseball wife by some magazine.
I just thought that only me and Mark had discovered her beauty.
by ridgesee on Jun 29, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had no problem with your comment from the other day
I was just saying that I understand why the photos of her would be taken down.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 29, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's worth noting
Sites have been blocked for less at many workplaces. We could inadvertently be depriving Cardinals fans from their VEB fix by leaning on the NSFW side.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 29, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bluecoat's "sports" list blocks sportsnation sites
I.T. managers, of course, can get around that…..
by sdrone on Jun 29, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no wonder we've got all of tech support at VEB!
Sweet.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 29, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Google it on your free time if you want to see it.
I’m not mad at CFIC for posting it but it’s not something I’m leaving up either. And it’s only a matter of time before something inappropriate IS said if those pictures stay up and are tacitly condoned.
If any photos of Rick Ankiel in a leotard show up, I’ll take those down as well.
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by azruavatar on Jun 29, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just asked Rick to wear a leotard
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 29, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
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history tells us again and again how GOB points out the folly of man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he does need some help with is stretching...
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 29, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that was embarrassing
some dude just walked by here at work and saw that, guess that’s payback heh
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history tells us again and again how GOB points out the folly of man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mission accomplished!
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 29, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know...
If he were dealt to the Red Sox, there would be pictures of him in a leotard. Small mercies.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 29, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's not a profusion of photos of Rick Ankiel's crotch
Not even his pornstache gets spammed on here.
Besides, if Rick Ankiel’s stache somehow distracts the opposing team, that is baseball-related. Until Mrs. DeRosa is modeling on top of the dugout, it is in no way baseball-related and it reminds me of BCB’s game threads, please let’s not go there.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 29, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if I want to see Jack Baur's daughter
all I have to do is go to BCB
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 29, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ban photos of Ankiel!
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Jun 29, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on man, this is a baseball blog
i look at this like a version of the golden rule. if i was a player, would i want people online looking at my wife? no. so just don’t do it. it’s in bad taste imo.
and this coming from a guy who posted some pics of EA for good luck during a thread last season. there are women here, and pics of that nature might offend them. so next time, think of the female posters before posting pics.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 29, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry dude
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
was sleep deprived and ran across her looking for pics of DeRo in Cardinal Red
and got excited
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took a bunch of DeRosa yesterday at the game, They are on my flickr site
by momup on Jun 29, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no worries, you don't have to apologize to me at all
i only saw the one pic saturday, i didn’t see any you posted. i’m not offended & probably never will be. i was replying to eckstreem anyway. after the EA thing last season, i always try & remember there are ladies here & they might not appreciate the pics like us fellas do.
plus i’m weird about looking at another man’s wife. it’s just wrong to me. i wouldn’t want other guys doing it, so i do my best to avoid doing it.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 29, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
I didn’t even know about the one on saturday. that’s very commendable of you, gdm
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew nothing about those. I will be back shortly...
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 29, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to shabby. Shes a looker.(On Derosas wife)
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 29, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
while we're at it
can I ask why the “Mark Derosa is on the block” thread that had over 150 comments was taken down the other day? Couldn’t it have been turned into a trade talk thread instead (considering there were none up)? There were some really good conversations going on, and then all of a sudden it’s deleted! I agree with most about that if fanpost’s aren’t meaningful they should be taken down, but that led to meaningful discussion, and at the point it was, wasn’t it a little late to delete it? Not sure if it was you or someone else, but I’m just wondering . . .
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Jun 29, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't recall that one
and I’d be surprised if I removed one with that many comments. . . but I have been taking a harder line on fanposts so I suppose it’s possible. If that happened, it wasn’t intended to stifle that conversation.
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by azruavatar on Jun 29, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was just a few days ago.
I think the writer cited the first major article to come out lining us up as suitors. Basically the debate was over whether one of our MRPs was worth it for him, but it branched out to much more. Oh well, no biggie now. We have him, and that’s what counts!
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Jun 30, 2009 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck Khalil
I hope and pray he gets over his anxiety problems. They can be a pain to deal with.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jun 29, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sigh...
current medical practice is to try medication and “wait and see”; if one med doesn’t work, one tries another… kinda akin to throwing darts at the wall….
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on Jun 29, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually, as w/ many MH issues
the most successful treatment is shown to be combo of meds and therapy.
by FunkeeC on Jun 29, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's almost as if KBot was taken off the DL too early.
Oh well. No one could have seen that coming. No one.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 29, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd say that he was
but he hit 3 home runs
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did, and I still think he was brought back too soon.
This is a big issue. Zack Greinke took like a year off away from baseball to get properly medicated and to get his head right and into a place where he could handle his feelings. Khalil took a week vacation and nothing has changed.
Plus, he lost his position and is converting to another one.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 29, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
it was dumb of them to think he’d be fine after a few weeks
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Move Kahil to KC...
…and then the problem’s solved because then there’s no more pressure to win.
by thepainguy on Jun 29, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there really wasn't in SD either...
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 29, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have honestly given up on him this season
He can’t handle the pressure of baseball anymore. We are baseball driven town but the media has handled him very gently this season. If he can’t make it in STL he can’t make it anywhere.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I tend to agree
I’m fine with us not using him any more this year, and I think that’s probably fair enough. It’s probably in his best interests, too.
That said, I’m not feeling especially sorry for the guy – he’s taking $6.5m this year in paychecks to basically not play baseball, and there’s never been any suggestion that he’d give it back, as far as I’m aware. He joined us to play baseball in (presumably) full awareness that he had a disorder that might lead him to suck/spend considerable time not earning his money. Being a professional athlete, he’s not exactly poor. If I was him, I’d have a hard time taking that money, personally.
Perhaps that’s an unreasonable point of view. In any case, I wish him well.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 29, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone's to blame
it’s either MO or the San Diego Padres. Either MO didn’t do his homework on Khalil (or maybe he did and greatly mis-read the signs) or the Padres weren’t forthright in what they found.
You can’t blame him. It’s not like he’s quitting. He wants to play and apparently he wants to play well, so much so that it kills him when he fails. I can’t fault him for that, he just doesn’t know how (actually, more like he’s unable to) to deal with his failures.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 29, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's a question of making it anywhere
Mental health issues are health issues. That’s like saying because a pitcher broke his finger or strained his shoulder or got TJ surgery, he’ll never get his stuff back.
We don’t even know if it’s the pressure of baseball per se. Maybe it’s being away from his family. Maybe it’s getting used to TLR’s style of doing things, which unless you’re Albert Pujols is not at all routine. We don’t know. It’s a personal, medical issue, and the correlation does not mean causation.
That said, I think he does need more time than he’s gotten to heal up.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 29, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might not be done with baseball
But he is most likely done with baseball in STL
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now there's a thought
Are we really ready to put him in the Mulder bin? Hmm. Personally undecided there. Too many variables.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 29, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Luke Gregerson turns into Dan Haren
Than no not the Mulder bin
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
laughing through the pain helps…
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 29, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suppose Khalil wound up in Boston, New York, or Philly
He would get absolutely crucified there. I cannot imagine what that kind of treatment would do to the poor guy.
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 29, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or with the Cubs
There was talk the cubbies were interested in him but MO acted swiftly and made the trade. But, you wanna talk about a pressure cooker? First of all, the clubhouse in Wrigley is small and cramped compared to every other clubhouse in MLB. Then, you’ve got the media which is just as nosy and (while not as rude) aggressive as the media in New York. Finally, you have the fans and the weight of 100 years, and yada yada yada.
Milton Bradley is already cracking and bitching about wanting to be left alone. He said he likes to come in, do his job and then go home. Sorry, Gameboard, it’s a little tougher than that. And had Khalil been traded there, he’d have cracked a long time ago.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 29, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Left alone?
On the other hand, he says he doesn’t have any good friends in the clubhouse ’cause no one is especially outgoing! heh.
Bradley is hilarious. I’m glad hte Cubs got him.
by sdrone on Jun 29, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm shocked!
Shocked to hear there is gambling going on in this casino!
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 29, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Round up the usual suspects.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "5.7 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jun 29, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish the best for Khalil
When I was in my sophomore season at my JuCo, I was literally tying myself in a knot worrying about where I’d sign at. It got to the point where I was having anxiety attacks on a nearly weekly basis. Somehow my performance didn’t suffer, but the amount of F-bombs dropped and helmets thrown and walls punched did increase. I’m very lucky I never broke my hand or hurt someone. These issues were attributed to a degree of depression and high stress and anxiety. And I only played in front of a few buddies, girlfriends, and parents!!!
I simply cannot imagine what Khalil is dealing with…I mean, I have some clue, but I don’t have to deal with my issues in a highly public setting while trying to hit a moving baseball with a round bat in front of 30,000+ fans and untold numbers watching on TV. I really hope that he finds some way to cope with his issues, or else they will literally eat him alive as they nearly did me…and once again I was just worried about where I’d play next year and not whether I can get my frickin’ career back on track! If Khalil never plays another inning for the Cardinals, but manages to pull himself back up, I’ll be ecstatic, because that is the most important thing for the guy.
/amateur psychologist rant number 6,329 ended….
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 29, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The
anxiety prognosis was inaccurate and miss leading. For a reason. Possible a humane reason. He won’t be back this time. Almost all behavioral problems could be categorized as anxiety disorders. Not all are accessible by medications or short term therapy. Self Mutilation Syndrome is most often a byproduct of child abuse. This low self esteem quagmire is augmented by an addiction to self induced pain with its body regulated calming effects. It is vicious, and now that it is exposed, in a high pressure environment, the game is over. The scaring on his arms is so bad he wears sleeves even in 100 degree weather just to cover them. Prayers can’t hurt.
by OperaCard on Jun 29, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
You
are fast becoming one of my favourite posters….
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 29, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My girl had this probelm when I first met her 5 years ago.
It took a few years of meds and therapy to kick the haibt. She is doing great now. Very rarely will she have a setback and they are getting farther and farther apart. So I feel for KG. I hope he can kick the problem soon but it might be a few years before he is stable.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 29, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't heard anything about the self induced pain
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, he is making quite a few assumptions
reality is we have no clue what exactly is going on. we have nothing to say for sure he is cutting and the ONLY thing even hinting at self harm was a throw away line from Strauss (ugh).
by FunkeeC on Jun 29, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not true
Khalil mentioned it himself.
“Greene admitted to feeling increasingly overwhelmed by his situation and did not dispute accounts that he has several times punished himself physically. Several team members have expressed concern about the degree of Greene’s self-punishment.”
TLR and the rest of the baseball world don’t get it. This is a kid dealing with very painful private demons on a very public humiliating stage. Definitely someone I’ll be rooting for the rest of his career, be it on the cardinals, cubs, or wherever he ends up. I don’t care if he’s hitting 3 HRs a game I wouldn’t let him play in his current condition anymore than I’d let someone pitch with a broken arm or play hockey with a concussion. Negligence.
by dugmartsch on Jun 29, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the CBA in this
For an injury like this, Kbot has to agree to be put on the DL and to stay on it.
by ubeddie on Jun 29, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a big leap
to read “cuts himself all the time” from “…did not dispute accounts that he has several times punished himself physically.”
I mean, it could mean he punches walls, slaps himself in the face a bunch, or shoots himself in his little toe with a bb gun…we have no way of knowing. Granted, the sleeves thing is certainly odd and one could easily read into that a bit, given this vague line we got from some old Strauss (IIRC) article, but I don’t think there’s ever been anything to confirm this assumption that KG engages in self-mutilation via cutting his arms.
by goodymobb on Jun 29, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course
we don’t know. they’re not going to come out and say, “khalil greene is a cutter.” it’s humiliating and illegal. people aren’t going to be deeply concerned about “the extent of self punishment” if he’s slapping himself in the face or punching walls. it’s a lot scarier to see someone cut themselves.
also when it was phrased as, “khalil has been out of the lineup because he had a relapse,” it’s pretty telling what kind of situation. it might not be the classic, cutting myself to let it out, but he’s doing something pretty similar.
i’m not going to speculate on the source of his woes, but all of the above, plus his personailty, plus the fact that he always wears long sleeves, definitely make him seem like a prime candidate to be a cutter. i thought he was a cutter before he went on the dl the first time
by prophetjohn on Jun 29, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was an article
that mentioned teammates being alarmed by Khalil who had blood coming out from his sleeve and refused medical assistance from the trainers.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 29, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I googled Khalil Greene cutter
And found a few sources. Honestly he sounds like a distraction in the club house.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh totally.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 29, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard lots.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 29, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing online.
Sorry to be vague.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 29, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a source inside the club house
I will ask him
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
I’ve heard about the sleeves thing from a few people I trust. Playing with them when the heat wave started two weeks ago threw up some red flags for me.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 29, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How were scars missed in the pre trade exam
One would think the medical staff have noticed scars on his arms during the physical exam when he was traded. Then again, maybe they were too focused on his busted hand.
by ubeddie on Jun 29, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you follow this of reasoning
very far, you’re sure to find disappointment. Try to find a positive focus and enjoy your fan aspirations. 4 tough pitchers coming up.
by OperaCard on Jun 29, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this guy reminds me of westcoastbirdwatcher
by dcfcblues on Jun 29, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
smells fishy
has anyone seen wcbw and operacard in the same blog?
by ubeddie on Jun 29, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wcbw is Scout.com forums
And Brian Waltons blog all the time
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I just glance over occassionally
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too
but not exactly like him (unless he’s trying to throw us off the trail)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is
Bird watcher? What is the Trail. What did he say?
by OperaCard on Jun 29, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he too
spoke in nostradamus-like ambiguities that sometimes made more sense when interpreted in hindsight. Not to disparage……
by cdb on Jun 29, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you have me curious.
The hind sight of Nostradamus, or making sense in your hind sight. Can you give an example?
by OperaCard on Jun 29, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is becoming clearer.....................with every comment......................................
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 29, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't remember the details,
but he started by correctly predicting the Lohse signing way back when – something about in a plane, private workout facilities…etc. This of course proved to be true. He then allowed this success to go to his head and started rambling about all things under the sun – most of which proved speculative, misleading, or downright false. I am guessing there is a way to search for his comments somehow….
by cdb on Jun 29, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
West Cost Bird Watcher
Was a guy that stirred up shit. Had a connection into the organization. Knew Lohse’s agent or something. He spoke in riddles and prose.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Problem
I had no problem with the guy. I see him mostly at The Cardinal Nation
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only problem
was that he tended to talk down to the rest of us – thought that we were all idiots it seemed….. seemed to enjoy riling LB up and getting him to respond personally.
by cdb on Jun 29, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well LB doesn't post much anymore
But I do remember that being the problem.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks pistol
I’ve been reading all day. This guy is wacky but the fool is driving a DeLorean. I’m going to look at the other sites.
by OperaCard on Jun 29, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to play, but I just may, oh what the hell why don't we go eat some hay?
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 29, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
but wcbw always had all the “……”’s in his posts (of course he could change his style to fool us)….
youneverknow
by floodOfLove on Jun 29, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know WCBW, and this guy is no WCBW
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 29, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he might be.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 29, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa on ESPN Chicago
I’m listening to ESPN Chicago online and they’re waiting for DeRosa to call in. sounds like it should be soon if anyone is interested in listening in http://sports.espn.go.com/stations/player?station=espn
by nrichar2 on Jun 29, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
let me know what he says
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history tells us again and again how GOB points out the folly of man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nothing special
he talked about coming in on an early flight and finding out he was batting clean-up. waddle and silvy kept most of the conversation on him leaving chicago and how he’ll be hated now. DeRosa’s response to most of it was that it wasn’t his decision to leave, it was jim hendry’s, but he’s excited with the opportunity in Stl.
by nrichar2 on Jun 29, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a lot of empathy for Khalil Greene
and I wish him the best… not only do I think he is a very interesting person but I also believe he has a ton of baseball playing potential…. but holy crap, we have had a lot of drama since winning that world series in ’06
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history tells us again and again how GOB points out the folly of man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ditto
i feel bad for KBot, but i also think it’s time the team did what’s best for them. and in turn it’s probably what’s best for him. i think he needs to be put on the 60day DL and get away from the game like Zack did. this is not a good situation at all. the dude needs big time help & he can’t get it while he’s trying to hit a 95MPH heater or field a bad hop.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 29, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just heard Brandon Backe was DFA
Maybe we should sign him to pitch batting practice for Albert?
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 29, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or just hang around the clubhouse and talk shit.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 29, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Backe's one of those guys with absolutely sub-MLB skills
who’s built a career out of “kinda looking like a baseball player”. I can’t see any other reason why an apparently fairly douchey guy with such a sustained replacement-level track record has managed to stick around at the top level for several years…
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 29, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't give enough credit...
to the Astro’s organization.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Jun 29, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's true
they certainly have an eye for finding mediocre, veteran talent and paying it more than acceptably. You could say it’s the Astros’ “Moneyball”….
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 29, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and it almost worked last season.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 29, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
A career 5.33 FIP pretty much speaks for itself. And a lot of that has been in the pen. I think that he is actually the definition of replacement level.
Derosa.
by vivaelpujols on Jun 30, 2009 5:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if the Cubs...
get completely sick of Zambrano’s behavior and waive him, do the Cardinals put in a claim? That’s 3.5 years at $63 million for a 28 year old with a lot of mileage.
by guayzimi on Jun 29, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
really doubt that would happen
and it would be just too weird if he was a Cardinal
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 29, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs