i wouldn’t make that deal

have they learned nothing from the Mulder deal? don’t buy what Billy is selling. evar.

Perez is easily replaceable and depending on the prospect, this could end up being a very good deal. I like Ludwick, but he’s probably no better than a 3 WAR player going forward, while Holliday could probably do that the rest of this year.

depending on the prospect of course. not the best deal, but who knows if luddy will break out of this funk

…I’ll stay tuned.

I love how Twitter has become like the new blog. People don’t have enough to attention span anymore to write/read a blog, which is SO hard of course, so they Tweet. Go figure.

before I start whining or cheering about it. If we are giving up that much for him I hope the A’s can eat some of his salary.

Bernie via Joe…via this guy via a locker manager via the guy who brought down hot dogs..sorry just found it funny

IMO, Joe uses a little literay license to arrive at the package.

Reluctant to commit a multi-player package to the Colorado Rockies for Holliday last November, the Cardinals are now open to sending a similar package to Oakland for the 2007 National League batting champion.

Such a package would probably include right fielder Ryan Ludwick and either reliever Jason Motte, Chris Perez or Kyle McClellan, plus a prospect.

He does a fine job finding out that the Cards are open to a similar package that was proposed in November. That package per rumors at the time was Ludwick, Skippy and Boggs for a full season of Holliday. The Rockies ended up getting Huston Street, Greg Smith, and Carlos Gonzalez. for Holliday.

Strauss’ rumor keeps Ludwick in the mix and then adds in one of the RH relievers that are rumored to be in the DeRosa deal. Strauss’ package is too much for half a year. Ludwick and two AA prospects, maybe.

while it’s obviously way too early to get excited/upset about this (and I lean more towards excitement), the package does seem to scare me a bit, if in fact it is close to being correct. I

First, i do think one of our strengths is our RH relief; I’m not sure who would go, but I lean towards Motte more than Perez if it were my choice due to the fact, that I see Motte as one of these always-tantalizing but never achieving potentials. I’d rather keep KMac since he may have value as long-man/starter where as the others are locked into relief.

Ludwick has two more seasons of control as opposed to one, so I really am not up in arms about the deal if it stopped here. Oakland would get the rough equivalent of a first round/supplemental round pick if it were Ludwick + RH Reliever, but…

adding the “prospect” provides way too much ambiguity at this point. If it were a top tier (Wallace/Kozma/Daryl Jones/etc.) then I do not like it at all. A Boggs, Anderson, Freese and/or Hawksworth would also give me pause. This is where the deal could fall apart.

This type of trade also lends itself as a precursor to FO’s plans for 2010 and beyond.
-I do think this is in part, a move to keep the Mang happy.
-I also think the club feels confident that they can either sign Holliday to some sort of deal (and I will NOT speculate as to what that looks like, but I’m leaning towards an Ibanez type deal from last offseason)
-I think it indicates the club will offer arb to one or both of Ankiel/Holliday and see if they can get them back on one-year deals, again to keep Mang happy with a competitive team, and also to limit long-term commitments so that Pujols gets his contract.
-I think the club is optimistic on a return of Glaus towards Aug/Sept.
-I think the club is optimistic Mather will contribute next season in some shape.
-It could potentially fast-track Wallace to the pros, though we could lean way-too heavily on the left side of the plate, making it imperative we add some sort of RH bat (Holliday, Derosa, Glaus, etc.) in the offseason.

Lots here—fresh off of A LOT of coffee!!

That has the potential to be Dan Haren all over again.

K Mac could be a decent starter where as with Perez/Motte the best for them would be to develop into an elite closer.

That would hurt but not as much as watching Oakland slam K Mac in the rotation have him put up great numbers and then trade him back to the NL for nice package of prospects.

I could live with losing Perez. I think Motte is the keeper of the two and we still have guys in the system like Todd, Freeman, & Riefer who could replace Perez.

Duncan has got to be in this deal somehow. He will have no place to play. He would be a perfect AL player. His ideal postion is DH. I bet he would tie for the league lead in UZR per 150 for the DH position.

for next year. Who plays the corner in 2010? If we don’’t sign Holliday long-term it might be even uglier than this year. Why would the A’s want Ludwick anyway? Better for them to get Ankiel, then pocket the picks.

WTF??!!

That package is way too much for a full year of Holliday, let alone a rental. The chances of him signing long-term are virtually nil. If he is signed long-term he better be absolutely f’ing great, because the payroll wad will be shot for many years. He will end up someplace like Texas.

Even if he walks as a type A there is no guarantee of a first round pick, plus any first-round pick would likely be late in the round. Just makes no sense to give up that much for a guy whose only unquestionable skills are LF defense and good OBP.

wish we could get a small window of time to edit comments.

There was a way to get Holliday without moving Luddy. I hate the left handed outfield we have. Luddy, Holliday, and Rasmus would be sweet. Moving Luddy to get Holliday seems to leave the same problem we have now…always complaining about ank and dunc.

His numbers seemed to bottom out on May 4th. On that day, here was his line, which was in 23 games and 100 PA:

.223/.270/.351, 4 2B, 2 HR, 5 BB

Starting May 5th, Holliday started climbing northwards. Here are his numbers since that date, in 49 games and 204 PA…

.302/.422/.479, 12 2B, 6 HR, 30 BB

So, I think Holliday will hit. You won’t see the Coors Field monster of 2007, probably, but he’ll be adequate. I think this trade is worth making IF there is some reasonable assurance that Holliday is willing to resign here and IF the prospect is someone we can afford to lose, meaning not Jones, Rasmus, or Wallace.

It would add some protection for AP, but Holliday being a Cardinal would likely only be a short-term thing. I’m not a big fan of the move if that’s the case.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/athletics/ci_12692171

I agree that our right-handed relievers are expendable, but that doesn’t mean I’d just given one of them away. I don’t think we’d be able to re-sign Holliday. I just pray that we’d offer him arbitration so we could at least get a compensation pick after he signs elsewhere.

Luddy rest-of-season prediction: .363 wOBA
Holliday rest-of-season prediction: .371 wOBA

Over 350 PA’s, that amounts to paying $7M and 2 years of Ludwick for about 2.4 runs on offense. Plus whatever defense Holliday adds; if any; Luddy is a plus RF and Holliday is a plus LF. Both are 7.5ish runs UZR/150 for their careers in the corners.

but MLBTR now relaying a report from Peter Gammons that any discussions with the A’s have to start with Wallace. Uh…GTFO. For the love of god, don’t make that deal Mo (not that I think he would in the first place, I have a little more faith in him than that — but you never know)

pass

let the conversation end as soon as it started. it’s no slam dunk trading away luds and .220 or so babip, but moving wallace is retarded. if it turns out he really can’t play 3b and has no place in st louis wait until he comes up and wins rookie of the year. then sell high

anyway, i think the cardinals played this one right. make the indians think perez was a hot commodity by having these holliday talks, and then flip him for derosa.

if we could get him for a package that doesn’t include Wallace (or Daryl Jones preferably)

is there the need for the Holliday deal? Both he and DeRo will be free agents at the end of the year.

Holliday has a higher OPS, but has less homeruns and ISO. I don’t think Luddy will continue such a low batting average. Holliday is the better defender, but the only way this trade would be fair to us is not give them any more than Ludwick, and even then it’s a bad thing.

Are there any other guys out there that might be up for grabs that might be a high OBP guy with a good glove instead of MH? I’d love some more power in the lineup but I’d rather have a guy who can get on in front of Pujols than have another thumper behind him. Even if we got some power at cleanup that doesnt fix the problem of Albert always hitting with the bases empty and hitting solo shots. Would the Dodgers dump off Juan Pierre when Manny comes back or is he even worth it?

I feel like everytime Welly’s turn comes around it’s another big L. BThomp somehow seems to get the job done, but I would love to see a package to get us another starter.

Would Wellemeyer and Stavinoha get us someone like Doug Davis from Arizona?

but I don’t think that Arizona could be asking a whole lot for Davis. He is not an Ace by any stretch. For all I know Arizona might give him up for a bag of balls…they don’t have much to loose with his contract ending this year. At least Welly would give them someone cheaper to put in the rotation till the end of the year.