Reversal of Fortune
On the one hand we have Joel Pineiro -- a guy who is now 4th in the NL in FIP, a guy who’s walking just 1.17 batters per 9 innings, a guy who’s given up just 2 home runs in nearly 93 innings so far this season. This is the same guy whose FIP was nearly 2 runs higher last season. His HR/9 last season was 1.33 and this year it’s 0.19. Over the first 70+ games this season, he’s been worth 2.5 WAR – 7th among NL pitchers. Over the last 3 years COMBINED, Pineiro has been worth 2.1 WAR.
On the other hand, we have Todd Wellemeyer and Adam Wainwright. In 2007, Wainwright established himself, in his first year in the rotation, as one of the NL’s best young starters. He got even better in 2008, though he missed 66 games due to injury. Unfortunately, Wainwright appears to have regressed, at least through the first 70+ games of 2009. The primary reason appears to be a decreased ability to throw strikes.
| FIP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | GB% | Strike% | P/IP | IP/S | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2007 | 3.90 | 6.06 | 3.12 | 0.58 | 48.2 | 62.1 | 15.7 | 6.31 |
| 2008 | 3.78 | 6.20 | 2.32 | 0.82 | 45.9 | 62.6 | 14.8 | 6.60 |
| 2009 | 4.07 | 7.71 | 3.31 | 1.10 | 47.9 | 62.5 | 16.1 | 6.53 |
This year Wainwright is walking more batters and giving up more home runs. When he yields his next dinger, he’ll match the number of homers he gave up in 2007 – over 202 IP – and surpass the number he gave up last year, in 132 innings. As a consequence, he’s throwing more pitches per inning and, therefore, more pitches every time he runs out to the mound. If Wainwright were averaging the same number of pitches per inning he averaged last season, he could be averaging 7.12 innings per start this year, instead of the 6.53 he’s averaging right now. We would have gotten nearly 9 more innings from Wainwright so far and 9 fewer innings from our bullpen.
The good news is that Wainwright is striking out more batters and giving up the same number of ground balls as in previous seasons. While his curve ball has been his best pitch, he’s getting killed this season on his fastball – probably b/c he’s been behind in the count so frequently. Only 50% of the pitches he’s thrown so far this season have been in the strike zone, whereas in 2007 that percentage was 51.4 and in 2008 it was 53.4. The bottom line is that Wainwright’s going to have to throw more strikes, and walk fewer hitters, for him to be the pitcher we expected him to 2 years ago.
So much has been written about Wellemeyer that I don’t have the time or the inclination to rehash it. I do, however, want to take issue w/ some of the stuff that Bernie wrote in his column Tuesday re: Wellemeyer. First of all, he lists the GB% of all the Cards’ starters. Do they seem unusually high to anyone but me? Pineiro’s GB% is 71.1%? According to fangraphs, it’s 61.3%. Carp’s is 64.7%? Fangraphs has it at 55.7%. The same pattern falls right down the line – w/ Thompson, Lohse, Wainwright, and Wellemeyer. I checked THT and BP to see what they had to say. While theirs don’t match fangraphs perfectly, they’re within about 1% of what fangraphs has to say so I have no idea where Bernie got his numbers. Unfortunately, he doesn’t let us know where he found them either. (insert random concern about uncited information from a journalist here) Even thought Bernie’s numbers appear to be WAY OFF re: the Cards’ starters ground ball rates, he is correct that Wellemeyer’s are lower than the rest of the staff’s and lower than his have been in the past.
There’s a logical flaw in the next paragraph. He begins by saying that Wellemeyer is having trouble finishing off hitters and uses Daniel Murphy’s 3-2 homer as an example. However, the rest of his paragraph is about Wellemeyer’s supposed inability (I guess) to finish off INNINGS. Wellemeyer stinks w/ 2 outs and is even worse w/ RISP and 2 outs. What that has to do w/ finishing off individual hitters – as the title of this section suggests – isn’t clear. As it turns out, Wellemeyer is just fine after getting ahead in the count. After being ahead 0-1, the splits against him are .225/.258/343. The problem isn’t that he’s having trouble finishing off hitters, it’s that hitters are absolutely destroying him when he falls behind. Bernie is correct that Wellemeyer, for some reason, has been awful w/ 2 outs. The splits against him w/ 2 outs in an inning are .336/.421/.518 – much worse than he is w/ either 0 or 1 out. W/ 2 outs and RISP, the OPS against Wellemeyer is a Pujols-like 1.138. He’s given up 7 extra base hits in 45 ABs w/ 2 outs and RISP. Simply awful.
Bernie concludes by saying that "hitters are assaulting Wellemeyer’s fastball this season" (FALSE) and that he "isn’t using his slider as often." (TRUE) In fairness, Wellemeyer is 3.4 runs below average on his fastball this year but he was considerably worse on his fastball each of the previous 3 seasons. The pitch that hitters are assaulting, according to fangraphs, is his changeup, on which Wellemeyer is a whopping 11.7 runs below average. His changeup is far and away his worst pitch. Usually it’s his fastball. As to Wellemeyer’s use of the slider, this year more than half the PAs against Wellemeyer have been by left-handed hitters. This is unusual for any pitcher and is something that hasn’t been true for Wellemeyer since he’s been a Cardinal. It’s true, as Bernie points out, that lefties are mauling Wellemeyer. While he’s always been vulnerable to lefties, it’s never been as bad as it has been this year AND he’s seeing many more of them. The bottom line is that right handed pitchers simply do not throw many sliders to left handed hitters b/c the ball breaks right into their hitting zone. They’re much more likely to throw curve balls and changeups – 2 pitches that Wellemeyer’s thrown more of this year. The obvious reason for that is that he’s facing many more lefthanded batters. While it may make sense for Wellemeyer to throw more curveballs – he’s 1.7 runs above average on the curveball – and fewer changeups, the reduced number of sliders probably isn’t Wellemeyer’s biggest problem.
This brings us back to Pineiro. (I thought I’d end w/ some good news!) There’s a great article at fangraphs about the additional movement Pineiro’s getting on both his regular 4-seam fastball and his 2-seam fastball. While his fastball speed is down, his movement is up and, as a result, he leads the majors in GB%. Even though he’s striking out fewer hitters than ever (and he never was a strikeout pitcher) he’s having more success b/c he’s not walking anyone and he’s getting ground ball after ground ball. He’s been, partly b/c of Carp’s injury, our best starter this year and one of the best in the league. He absolutely should be considered for a position on the All-Star team. Whodathunkit?
All that said, he is benefiting from a ridiculously low HR/FB % of 2.9%. There’s no way that’s sustainable, even pitching half his games in a pitcher’s park. The good news is that he’s not getting that many fly balls so, even when it does rise, we’re not looking at THAT MANY more homers. I was going to say that it concerned me that he reminds me of the 2007 version of Carlos Silva – a ground ball machine who doesn’t walk anyone, doesn’t strike anyone out, and just isn’t all that good. If you look at the numbers, however, he’s just not that similar to Silva. Instead, think the 2006 version of Chien-Ming Wang.
| K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | GB% | ERA | FIP | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Pineiro ‘09 | 3.88 | 1.17 | 0.19 | 61.3 | 3.40 | 2.97 |
| Silva ‘07 | 3.97 | 1.60 | 0.89 | 47.5 | 4.19 | 4.24 |
| Wang ‘06 | 3.14 | 2.15 | 0.50 | 62.8 | 3.63 | 3.91 |
I thought Silva was much more of a ground ball machine than that. Now, I don’t want to pee in anyone’s Post Toasties but Silva got a really rich free agent contract after that season w/ the Twins and hasn’t been even decent since and Wang has completely collapsed so far this season. That said, as long as Pineiro continues to throw strikes and keep the ball down, he’s going to be ok. Let’s ride this as long as we can and hope that Wainwright becomes the Wainwright of old soon. W/ the Brewers having all sorts of pitching issues and the Cubs having all sorts of issues in general, this division is winnable – as long as we can pitch. We’re going to go as far as the pitching takes us.
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Heads up Chuck
You got Wainwright’s K/9 and BB/9 reversed
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 25, 2009 2:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
fixed
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by azruavatar on Jun 25, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this is why I'm not a fan of Bernie.
His whole “let’s attack the Front Office to stir up arguments in the fan base to help my ratings” put together with his annoying nicknaming of things, see “Eggs, Faberge; and Fruit, Low Hanging”, make him absolutely unbearable to read and now listen to. Now add in opinions and stats that I don’t agree with and/or know are incorrect and you have yourself one hell of a radio character.
Honestly, I get that his job is to get people to talk about baseball and cause discussions to help out his show’s and column’s ratings, but the guy never stops. I could possibly even enjoy the guys knowledge if he was balanced and not so anti-FO. I’m sure I’ll have some pro Bernie people disagree with me, and probably rightfully so.
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by mtzxc on Jun 25, 2009 3:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wainwright has actually been better this year than he has in previous seasons
His K:BB has only decreased slightly, but more K’s are more valuable than fewer walks because a ball in play is more detrimental than a walk. His main “decline” has come from a 12.0 HR/FB ratio, which is worse than league average and 4% higher than his career average. His xFIP sits a 3.97 this year, compared to 4.28 last year and 4.60 the year before. Going forward, we can probably expect his K’s to decrease, his walks to decrease and his HR/FB ratio to regress. ZIPS projects a 3.76 FIP for the rest of the season, which would actually be his best mark yet.
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 25, 2009 3:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Not sure I follow...
a ball in play is more detrimental than a walk
Does this mean you are a proponent of our hitters taking a super aggressive plate approach?
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by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
not sure I agree with that. A ball in play is turned into an out 70% of the time, and even two outs probably 10-15% (SWAG) of the time. A walk never leads directly to an out. Can’t remember who did the analysis the other day of whether or not to walk Pujols, but this statement is completely contrary to that conclusion.
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 25, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't doubt that vivaelpujols has done the research..
..he doesn’t usually say anything he hasn’t researched, but I just don’t see how that is possible. I don’t think league average SLG on balls in play is enough to overcome the difference.
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by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
I respect VEP as knowledgable and attentive to detail. I just don’t think a walk is better than a BIP in any situation…when the type of BIP is unknown.
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 25, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your right, I wasn't thinking right
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 25, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a ball in play is more detrimental than a walk.
I haven’t looked into this at all but I find that exceptionally difficult to believe…. Most hitters have BABIPs in the .300-.350 region and the vast majority of hits are singles. I realise HR aren’t generally counted in “balls in play” stats, but I still find it hard to believe that (even if you include HR and errors in the balls in play, and say that, at a guess, 4 out of 10 balls in play don’t result in outs) less than a 50% chance of getting on base (with a smaller chance of getting extra bases, and a small chance of GIDP) is better than a 100% chance of getting on base (i.e. walking). Also, good pitchers like Wainwright tend to have lower BABIPs (his career BABIP is .300). I’m sure you’re probably right but intuitively it just seems wrong….
What I’m saying is, a walk results in an out 0% of the time, whilst a ball-in-play (i.e. a non-walk, non-K result) results in an out about 60% of the time at least (and 2 outs a couple of % of the time, probably); is the chance of an extra base hit really that valuable? That also seems contradictory to the idea that OBP is far more important than SLG.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 25, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…a ball in play is more detrimental than a walk.
You’re going to have to explain this one because I’m having a very hard time buying this. A ball put in play could be an out or a hit, but a walk is never an out. Even guys with really high BABIP’s still get out 6.5 times out of 10 they put the ball in play. This needs some more explanation, or maybe I missed something.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 25, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it can cause errors
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 25, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are all right
I don’t know why I said that. Using the FIP a walk is worth -3, while a strikeout is +2.
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 25, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unforgivable
"It starts at the top with the manager."
-- Clint Hurdle, when asked what's behind the Colorado Rockies winning 17 of 18 games
by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to unrec every fanpost you've ever made
Wait, I can’t do that. Never mind.
I’m sure it made sense in your head somehow!!!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 25, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can unrec.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 26, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shhh don't tell him
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 27, 2009 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The primary reason appears to be a decreased ability to throw strikes.
Solid analysis Chuck. No run support is often the cause for avoiding the strike zone. Lohse has always been plagued with trying to be to fine. Fear of being hit…Wainwrights mechanics have been rough the last few weeks. He is just not enjoying the confidence he enjoyed last year. Maybe being a Jack instead of and Ace? I have heard a rumor that a number of Cards pitchers are overdoing or over participating in electronic recreations. The worst offender maybe being Wellymeister. I see signs of this. He looks drained. Playing too late, trying to sleep after getting hyped up in an Halo scenario. His delivery changes this year show me he is concerned about longevity. He is avoiding hard sliders and his 12/6 breaking pitch. He is in trouble.
by OperaCard on Jun 25, 2009 4:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Their problem...
is playing too many video games?
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by Alxfritz on Jun 25, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
believe it or not
it has been used as an explanation for poor performance in other sports (rightly or wrongly; personally, I call BS…) see paragraph 4 of:
http://www.netglimse.com/celebs/pages/david_james/index.shtml
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 25, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not BS in this case
There have never been games like todays games. Certain personalties are more vulnerable than others to addiction. Grown men playing ball everyday under intense pressure. Unusual schedules and use of recreation time. It is epidemic in this society, let alone to these guys that are so vulnerable. I’m not even touching on repetitive motion issues. I might not call it “their problem” but it is a factor here.
by OperaCard on Jun 25, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you have
some sort of inside information, I don’t find much to believe here. I’d be way more apt to believe that partying would be contributing to players being tired.
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by spants on Jun 25, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find the gaming scenario completely plausible
as I have friends who have a tough time coping with their jobs because of similar situations. In any event, the real claim here is that the players are over tired and or unable to focus for various reasons. No need to get hung up on the specific activity if you agree with the conclusion.
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by azruavatar on Jun 25, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As soon as I posted it,
I remembered Joel Zumaya’s Guitar Hero injury. Still, this is just speculation.
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by spants on Jun 25, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's absolutely speculation.
I’m not refuting that at all.
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by azruavatar on Jun 25, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think it could be an issue
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 25, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like
my Cardinals addiction that is crippling my life otherwise?
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by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Gym time has been crippling to my sleep lately
although after injuring myself last night, I’ll get some more sleepy time.
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by azruavatar on Jun 25, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All for Skip.
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by Alxfritz on Jun 25, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's getting
out of control, really.
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by spants on Jun 25, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all of us have already snagged our significant other
thank you very much.
(Plus, I just enjoy working out.)
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by azruavatar on Jun 25, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can have mine
if you want. He’s driving me bonkers.
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by spants on Jun 25, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how lovely of you to offer
but no man will ever come close to Skip for Az’s.
if you do find a taker though, i’d like to throw my hat in the ring as a potential replacement. i love home made mac&cheese. :~)
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 25, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I had to quit working out for about a year, and I really forgot how good the ole endorphin high feels.
I got back into it in November when I started training for a road race. I ran in April, and I promised myself that I wouldn’t quit again.
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by Eckstreem on Jun 25, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I should quit working for a year
too much stress
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 25, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did.
Still stressed.
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by spants on Jun 25, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding
not working is more stressful than working. it really is.
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by gdm426 on Jun 25, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still trying to get back on the workout bus
I guess after having people yell at you to work out and run for the majority of your life, it’s harder to find the motivation to do it yourself, especially if you’re married with a bun in the oven
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 25, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you work out
you’ll have more energy to take care of you wife and kid. You’ll sleep better, too.
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by spants on Jun 25, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I worked out for the first time in a little over a week yesterday
I slept like shit last night.
(Small sample size)
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by jd is legend on Jun 25, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have someone you can work out with?
Having someone else rely on you to show up and keeping you accountable for your progress you’ll do much better.
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 25, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Robot parts on backorder?
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by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're short on toes
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by azruavatar on Jun 25, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't want to know how you injured your toe while working out.
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by Eckstreem on Jun 25, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually it was volleyball
after the gym. Went up for a block, came down with broken toes.
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by azruavatar on Jun 25, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
I have to imagine that hurt.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 25, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, another volleyball player?
that’s my game :-)
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 25, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
recd
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 25, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The solution to Bernie's numbers
Bernie is showing the percentage of outs on balls in play (GO or AO) that are ground outs (GO):
Pineiro is 164/ (164+68) = 71% or so
Carp is 85/(85+45) = 65% or so
I haven’t read his column to see how he describes what he’s doing…..
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by ncgostl on Jun 25, 2009 7:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Related to this...
did anyone see David Wright’s batting average on ground balls in DG’s 10@10 yesterday? I think it was .471!!! That’s some crazy luck there…like twice the league average or more.
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 25, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also has only 4 homers this year, I think
pretty dreadful season so far, only to add to the Mets’ concerns. Only his crazy luck on balls in play and good skillz on the bases stopping him putting up KBot-esque suck at the plate…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 25, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dreadful?
Wright is OPSing .935. I suppose that if you take out the mind-boggling .476 BABIP, you could say he’s been dreadful. But, his career BABIP is .352. I don’t think that it’s going to drop 120 points over the course of the season and ZiPS in-season adjusted projection has it falling to .413, which would apparently drop his BA to .337 (or 19 points) and still OPS .956 (with the likely increase in HRs, according to the adjusted projection). I’d say he is the bright spot of their season.
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by bgh on Jun 25, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected
I didn’t realise his career BABIP was so high – I suppose that figures; hard hits + speed = high BABIP…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 25, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The number DG referenced...
was not BABIP, it was batting average on GROUND BALLS!!! Shouldn’t that number be close to .200 for an average runner, and maybe .250 for a speedster? This leaves me wondering what Skip’s BAGB is…?
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 25, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
per b-r
skip is at .205 with the team total at .224
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Jun 25, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what does BR show for...
Wright?
I’m surprised to see Skip’s so low. During one of the games the other day they showed his GB% to be the highest in baseball at 71%. He must be hitting a lot of humpbackers and gappers to get his average up to .300 (or close).
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 25, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
batting average on ground balls, not his GB %
by FunkeeC on Jun 25, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right...
I just thought if he is hitting 70% GB’s and only hitting .204 on them he’d have to bat almost .500 on all other types of batted ball to bring his overall average up to .300. Maybe his GB% has gone down since I saw it flashed during a broadcast…it’s probably been two weeks. Especially when his K% is about 9. Maybe I’m just calculating something wrong, or maybe his GB% is a lot lower than 70.
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 25, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't hink the Mets are all that concerned.
Sure, they’d like him to hit a ton of home runs. Their new park doesn’t play to his home run swing. All it got was a lot of warning track outs. Swing adjustment to drive the ball in to the gaps is what he did. You can’t dismiss the fact that he’s a terrific hitter-and has been his entire career.
He’s going to figure out how to hit homers at home in due time. If the Mets don’t like him or want him anymore, I’ll take him on my team. He’s still extremely productive just the way he is.
I know everyone worships numbers here, and that’s fine-except David Wright is an extremely valuable member of the Mets. When he can no longer sustain what’s going on with his hitting, he’ll make the adjustments necessary. Because he can. I guess numbers don’t tell you that, and I can’t prove it-and I still feel pretty confident that is what will happen.
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by jillsinmo on Jun 25, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt he's a great hitter...
I’m just hoping this number comes down to give AP a better shot at the triple crown.
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 25, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
It’s because I’m selfish AND demanding.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 25, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hummm,,,,suddenly i have desire to pull my hat outta the ring
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 25, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But only about
baseball!
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 25, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just like Anthony Reyes would be an awesome pitcher after leaving Duncan...
right?
:)
I kid, I kid.
by dcfcblues on Jun 25, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. Ha Ha.
Gee, I’m sorry I dirtied this hallowed ground.
Reyes did pitch WAY better when he got out of here last year. He could barely break 85 this year. Surely you are hysterically laughing right now-he’s had two surgeries on his elbow. It’s so funny. So, so, funny.
Whatever his career path is now, it sure ain’t what it was-and yes, I do blame the Cardinals for whatever it was they were trying to do with him. They didn’t like the way he was, they should have traded him. They didn’t, and the team and the player paid a price. I’m sure they’re laughing too. It really is funny.
Except it really isn’t.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Jun 25, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on, i know it's a sore subject
but he was joking….
and I agree about wright (and broadly agree about reyes).
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 25, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never should have stressed the sinker for Joel, either.
players are what they are. Don’t coach ’em up!
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 25, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
If you look at Joel’s days in AAA Tacoma he was a similar pitcher to Reyes at that time. The difference is that he had some good breaking pitches to go along with his mid-90’s fastball. He didn’t have Anthony’s fantastic change-up, but he was an effective pitcher for quite a while in the big leagues and then he just fell off the deck for a while.
Duncan got him throwing the sinker for strikes this season and Oquendo pissed him off by leaving him off the WBC team — both of which may have salvaged his career as a starting pitcher. Perhaps if Reyes hadn’t fought Duncan the entire time he was here he would have had some success before blowing out his elbow, which was bound to happen with his shitty mechanics and poor timing.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jun 25, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, thank you, Dr. Fourstick.
I never knew that Joel and Anthony were the same person.
I don’t really want to get into an argument with you or anyone else, but surely you know every pitcher can’t throw every pitch. Even if they are similiar to another pitcher-that still doesn’t make them the same. It doesn’t mean they can do the same things. If it were that simple, Mr. Duncan would have Todd Wellemeyer fixed by tomorrow-he’d just tell him to throw a sinker like Joel does. Except pitching isn’t that simple, it’s actually very hard to be a good pitcher. Really, really, hard.
She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.
by jillsinmo on Jun 25, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the sentiment...
…but I don’t think DD is the cause of his elbow exploding.
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 25, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No laughing here, but let's be honest
hey didn’t like the way he was, they should have traded him. They didn’t, and the team and the player paid a price.
That statement is all hearsay Jill. They tried to change his approach because he wasn’t going to be successful at the major league level with the repertoire and approach that he had. His breaking pitches weren’t good enough (and still aren’t) and you can’t live on a fastball that doesn’t sink even if you have a great change-up. It’s ridiculous to asset that he was going to be a stud major leaguer when he hasn’t ever shown that he could be that guy. I get tired of this crap, I really, really do. If you want to continue to live in the past, why don’t you bitch about Rick Ankiel a bunch too? I’m sure that Whitey had something to do with the downfall of the great John Tudor, can we revisit that one?
His injuries are most likely a result of terrible Tom House mechanics — want to know about those then go ask Mark Prior, considering he has a right to bitch about them too. Blaming Duncan and LaRussa for that is utterly ridiculous, especially since Reyes himself stated he wasn’t interested in changing “what had always worked for him”. He was better than a AAA pitcher twice in his life: Game 1 of the World Series and that great day at Comiskey.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jun 25, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured it was something like that
let’s see take out the line drives as well as any ball that isn’t an out and then we’ll figure it as a ratio which is OK, I guess, as long as you call it the GO/AO ratio. That’s not what he called it, however. I realize I’m nitpicking there and that I should be happy that a “traditional” journalist is paying attention to those sorts of peripherals but it’s also his responsibility to get the definitions correct if they’re readily avaialble.
by chuckb on Jun 25, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
And he could have merely cited one or the other or both. A question: Should we be worried that Pineiro’s groundout percentage will drop? That is, shouldn’t some of these grounders be finding holes?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 25, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My totally un-nuanced glance at BABIP without really thinking too hard or putting any effort into analysis
tells me his BABIP, per fangraphs, is right at .300. So maybe there’s reason to think the % of grounders turning into hits won’t necessarily jump?
I’m starting to worry that fangraphs and other sites are making it too easy for me to say things like this. I mean, I don’t actually understand pitching that well in any traditional sense, but I feel like I do because the stat sites downright spoil us these days.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "5.7 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jun 25, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
if you’re generating somewhere around 65% groundballs and 30% of balls in play are going for hits you should be safe from regression.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Jun 25, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree he needs to get his definitions right.
www.mpgillusion.com
by ncgostl on Jun 25, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost thought RB was posting today
with the giant wall of text. Great post, I am not worried about Wainwright but I do fear that he might be injured or that his delivery got messed up. After Carp “fixed” him he had a couple great starts then regressed right back into his control issues making me wonder if his release point is back to the “bad” location or if it wasn’t really the problem at all.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
by StLHugo on Jun 25, 2009 8:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The real worry
with me about Wainwright is the amount of pitches he is having to make and the amount he is having to make out of the stretch.
by ridgesee on Jun 25, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ive read
bernie once, and havent read anything again, he’s nuts and i cant stand the anti front office rhetoric he spews out
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
by DESTROYER on Jun 25, 2009 8:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Bernie can be a bit of an alarmist
but he does a good job voicing opinions shared by a large portion of the fan base, right or wrong. He is a columnist more than a reporter. I admit to being a part of that fan base most of the time which is why I enjoy reading VEB. Every time I let myself get too worked up about something the FO did or didn’t do, or a move TLR did or didn’t make, I read this page and usually feel better afterwords. I’ve even gone so far as to voice some of my ridiculous trade wishes and angry tirades after a loss or two, and have been quickly shot down by many of the more level headed posters. I appreciate this, because I am becoming a smarter baseball fan overall and am learning not to be so quick to bark. But, in Bernie’s defense, the world needs antagonists and/or devil’s advocates to spark ideas and conversation.
by Walking Underwear on Jun 25, 2009 8:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats whats great about
st louis cardinals fans to me, anyways, the fact that we have been recognized as some of the smartest baseball fans there is around. Living in KC now i have tried to root for the Royals a tad bit because theyre in seperate leagues. When someone says you cant i say why not, I will and always will root for the Cardinals over anyone else, if not then i got a cardinals tattoo for nothing lol. But the royals fans out here are just not very well educated in baseball and its disappointing to me that a team that is trying to find answers doesnt have a fan base with some patience and support. when the the royals started out 18-11 my entire office was talking about the team, now that theyre currently sitting 8 games under everyone is back to “they suck”.
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
by DESTROYER on Jun 25, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just lost an awesome response to this...so I'll sum up.
They’re so accustomed to losing, both games and players, that it’s expected here now. They’ve been put through a lot and won’t accept being good until the team actually is a good team. They’re not right now, even though I think they could still go .500 this year.
by stlfan on Jun 25, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post
I hardly ever read Bernie or the Post Dispatch anymore. In fact, in honour of his “hilarious” DeWallet quips, I’m going to start calling him Bernia (after hernia – an annoying and debilitating pain in the groin)
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 25, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Wellemeyer just plain isn't good
And he had a lucky streak when he first came over to the birds. I mean, he did get released from the Royals.
by cloistermaximus on Jun 25, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's not good this year
Most analyses of pitchers attempt to focus on that which the pitcher can control. Those stats tend to be walks, strikeouts, and HRs. For his career, Wellemeyer has a 6.80 K/9 rate, which is pretty good. Last year, in typical Duncanian fashion, he struck out a bit less, amassing a 6.29 K/9, which is still good and was one of the higher rates of the rotation (if not the highest). Where Wellemeyer has historically run into trouble has been with walks. His career BB/9 is 4.31, which is not very good. Last year, he reduced that rate down to 2.91, which is pretty good. This reduction in walks raised his K/BB to 2.16 (his previous career high had been 1.58 in his first season with the Cubs). This year, he is only K-ing 5.53 batters per 9 innings, but has seen his walk rate increase to 3.75. Basically, a 0.80 decrease in his K rate from last year coupled with a 0.80 increase in his walk rate have led to a K/BB of 1.47, which is not good and worse than he has done tradiitionally. Does all of this come down to his loss of velocity? It very well may. And that drop in speed (yes, I’m intermingling my nouns) has led many to believe that he may be injured. Especially when coupled with his 191 IP last season, which was about 110 IP more than his previous career high. I don’t think it’s luck.
Also, he is on pace to surrender 22 HR, and he surrendered 25 HR last season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 25, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second
the injury hypothesis. Lots less slider/curves likely means his elbow is tender. Plus, he is facing a lot more lefties this year and they are killing him. I would leave to see a pitch f/x summary vs LH batters from 2008 vs. 2009 to see what is different.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Jun 25, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
throwing strikes?
your table above shows that WW’s strike percentage is actually right in line with ‘07 and ’08. so the problem isn’t that he can’t throw strikes. it’s that despite that he’s walking more guys and giving up WAY more home runs. the walk thing is kind of curious; it’s not that he can’t put guys away, b/c his K/9 is up. so, somehow, he’s giving up more walks despite have the same strike % and a higher K rate.
his BABIP is higher than last year, but lower than ‘07. his GB/FB ratio is the highest of his career. his strand % is a bit higher than last year too. honestly, if he can just cut back on the HR, which might just coming by regressing to the mean, he’ll be in fine shape.
by kindred on Jun 25, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
his strike %
as I pointed out, is lower than in either of the previous years. It’s at exactly 50%, down from 51.4 and 53.4 the previous 2 years. A 50% strike % is not very good at all.
by chuckb on Jun 25, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Table snafu?
The column labeled “Strike %” reads: 62.1 for 2007, 62.6 for 2008, 62.5 for 2009. Maybe that’s what kindred is referring to? I thought the same thing as him when I saw it. Are those numbers incorrect, or did you make some distinction in the text that I am not seeing? Estoy confuso.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "5.7 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jun 25, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly...
… as i said in my comment, in the table it says that his strike % is basically the same as the previous two years. if that’s wrong, then the table is wrong.
by kindred on Jun 25, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strike %
When looking at pitches thrown over the course of a season, a 1 percent difference is fairly substantial.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 25, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
it’s about one extra strike per game. I’d think that’s probably pretty much hidden within statistical noise in most cases. I haven’t looked, but I find it hard to believe that the average pitcher doesn’t vary his strike% by at least 1 or 2% a year.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 25, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 3 percent drop from last year seems a bit large, to me
Just doing some quick searches on Fangraphs (about 10 NL pitchers), and a 1 percent fluctuation seems to be normal. However, a 3 percent drop is not as common…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 25, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I am really confused
Are you guys talking about the total % of his pitches that go for strikes, as in [strikes/total pitches]? Or is there some other number we’re looking at?
I am looking at fangraphs, and it has hit 2008 strikes/pitches ratio at 1222/1951, which comes out to approximately .626 or 62.6%. For 2009 he’s currently at 988/1580, which is .625, or 62.5%. That’s a .1% difference, is it not? I’m clearly missing something here, can anybody explain?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "5.7 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jun 25, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
I was (and I believe that chuckb was also) going by his Zone %, which Fangraphs defines as “percentage of strikes seen in the strikezone.”
It’s interesting, because you’re right. Looking at the raw strikes thrown to pitches thrown data, Wainwright throws a lot more strikes. In fact, he consistently sits at about 62% every season, including this year. Someone help. Is the raw data correct or is the “Plate Discipline” percentage correct?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 25, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, anything that is put into play is considered a strike, right?
Anyway, I’m really confused. The table chuck put up clearly has the “raw” total percentages, but maybe he meant to put in the strike zone numbers?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "5.7 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jun 25, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still confused
Because the “Zone %” definition is “percentage of strikes seen in the strikezone.” I would suspect that to include hits, right?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 25, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beats me
I mean, the raw number might count swinging strikes that are clearly outside the zone or something? I’ve pretty much given up, someone smarter than me is gonna have to tackle it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "5.7 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jun 25, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zone%
Zone% is the percent of pitches that were thrown in the strike zone and has nothing to do with actual called balls/strikes. For instance, you can throw a pitch in the strike zone, maybe it gets called for a ball. You can throw a pitch out of the strike zone, maybe the batter swings at it and it gets called a strike.
Strikes/Balls are taken off the actual count. So a swinging strike no matter where the pitch ended up, is still a strike. A pitch thrown directly down the middle of the plate that is called a ball, would be a ball.
by dkappelman on Jun 25, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quickly glancing at his Fangraphs page
Wagonmaker’s First Pitch Strike for 2009 is a career-high 60.7?! That’s about 3% higher than last year. I thought for sure that he was having a down year in this area. So, basically, we can assume that, by and large, he’s getting ahead and nibbling?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 25, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nibbles
Is there any way to see if he’s been unlucky? I recall one or two games where he was getting squeezed, but small sample size…
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 25, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be time-consuming
You’d have to go through Gameday, I guess, and look for all the “Balls” called that were within the fuzzy strikezone border. Of course, you’d have to do it for the whole league to get a baseline for any actual concrete conclusion.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 25, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe someone will be bored, er, motivated
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 25, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Roy Halladay’s First Pitch Strike % for 2009 is 69.8%.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 25, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lineup is out:
Cards
1. Brendan Ryan, SS
2. Skip Schumaker, LF
3. Albert Pujols, 1B
4. Ryan Ludwick, RF
5. Yadier Molina, C
6. Rick Ankiel, CF
7. Khalil Greene, 3B
8. Chris Carpenter, P
9. Joe Thurston, 2B
Mets
1. Alex Cora, SS
2. Luis Castillo, 2B
3. David Wright, 3B
4. Ryan Church, RF
5. Fernando Tatis, LF
6. Fernando Martinez, CF
7. Nick Evans, 1B
8. Omir Santos, C
9. Johan Santana, P
"It starts at the top with the manager."
-- Clint Hurdle, when asked what's behind the Colorado Rockies winning 17 of 18 games
by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don't get it.
I just don’t.
"It starts at the top with the manager."
-- Clint Hurdle, when asked what's behind the Colorado Rockies winning 17 of 18 games
by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MIF'ers in the OF!!!
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 25, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon man, you know
we don’t have MIF’ers or OF’ers or any of that. We have baseball players.
"It starts at the top with the manager."
-- Clint Hurdle, when asked what's behind the Colorado Rockies winning 17 of 18 games
by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is there a reason
that TLR thinks that Schumaker will hit Santana better than Rasmus? Or Thurston over T. Greene? Sometimes I don’t understand.
On the other hand, this looks to be a fabulous pitching matchup, and a game that should only last 2 hours or so.
Yep, every Hall of Famer did something unique. Mike Schmidt played with his hat sideways. Roberto Clemente chewed other people's fingernails. Tris Speaker was Japanese. Lou Boudreau rode a dolphin into the batter's box. Nap Lajoie would only use John Wilkes Booth's dismembered leg as a bat. And he corked it. Johnny Mize was from the future. - FJM
by Choix003 on Jun 25, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if we're going to throw some lefties against Santana
can we at least play the ones who are good defensively.
No Rasmus = a bad lineup
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Jun 25, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we gotta play Skip, because he's the hot hand!
And we gotta play Thurston even though he’s also a lefty, and isn’t hot, because… well, if we played him at 3B, his throws would kill Albert, so we’re playing Thurston at 2B, so we gotta move Skip to LF, so we don’t have room for Rasmus because we gotta play Ankiel, who isn’t hot, so he can get out of his slump, and Rasmus is in a slump so we can’t play him, and furthermore my brain hurts.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "5.7 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jun 25, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd. if this was shorter, it'd be my new sig
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 25, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Season Splits vs LHP
Skip .571 OPS
Rasmus .402 OPS
Ankiel .474 OPS
Duncan .669 OPS
Pick your poison
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
by stlhulsey on Jun 25, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take the one with the best defense and no discernable platoon split in the minors.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Jun 25, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll go with the good OF glove poison, please.
Not the horrible infield glove/mediocre outfield glove poison.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 25, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I was wrong yesterday
thought for sure Colby would play today. That TLR is a wiley old fox.
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 25, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still
doesn’t explain Skip when Duncan is doing better against LHP.
Call me selfish, but I want to see Rasmus everyday.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 25, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Selfish!
and correct!
"It starts at the top with the manager."
-- Clint Hurdle, when asked what's behind the Colorado Rockies winning 17 of 18 games
by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wanting to win isn't selfish.
At least that’s broadcasters and sportswriters tell me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 25, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes that is a totally representative sample size...
St. Louis relievers... defying win expectancy since 2008
http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/
by vivaelpujols on Jun 25, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is
a correlation between between Tony’s decision and realizing any chance at getting a bat. Ankiel has to be involved in the trade as Ludwick is now valueless. Colby’s batting eye is far superior to Rick’s, especially when patients is the best tactic against Santana. Its business.
by OperaCard on Jun 25, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What. The. Hell. Is. This.
Why Thurston over T. Greene? Why Schumaker if you’re not going to hit him first or last, b/c isn’t that his stated role? Why Ank in center over Rasmus, since they’re both LH anyway? Why this Pujols guy? Maybe not the last one.
VivaElBirdos...Scoring less, but more frequently since approximately 1903.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 25, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Thurston makes a mindless baserunning gaffe two nights ago, K's as a PH last night
Then gets rewarded with a start against Johan Santana? I call shenanigans.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jun 25, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it too early to suggest the
naked photos of TLR theory?
You know, the one formerly attributed to Aaron Miles, Taguchi, et al?
by goodymobb on Jun 25, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fringe major leaguers are actually a seedy and mysterious mafia-like group
They specialize in extortion and blackmail. There’s a surprisingly organized network of agents who constantly supply members with information. They accrue playing time and pool their resulting financial resources into the drug trade, protection rackets, casinos, bribing public officials, you name it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "5.7 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jun 25, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh -- WTF is this shit!!!
No wonder we didn’t score any runs. Thurston at second against a lefty? Why not T. Greene? Why not Rasmus against a strikeout pitcher instead of Ankiel? Skip in LF? Why?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jun 25, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ankiel vs santana's changeup
is not very fair.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 26, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting tired of seeing Joe Thurston getting so much PT
Luckily the lineup the Mets are putting out there these days aren’t so great, either…
Glad to see Ludwick hitting behind Albert…. Rick just seems like he’s gonna K
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by salvomania on Jun 25, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FIXED
Rick is just seems like gonna K.
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by spants on Jun 25, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went up to NYC to see a couple of the games
Coming home on the plane yesterday, an unplanned refueling stop in Inidianapolis gave me a chance to check the game status. A lot of people on board were obvious STLers with Cards gear, so I kind of generally announced the game status aloud to the people around me: “Bases loaded, 2 out…” Everyone perked up …“Ankiel batting.” The audible groan than ensued from everyone around me on the plane was loud enough that the people in the front were looking back and inquiring about what tragic news the back of the plane had heard. And of course, Ank did nothing to prove us wrong.
by mattyp on Jun 25, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you weren't sitting in section 128
If you were, I am sorry. I won’t do that again.
"It starts at the top with the manager."
-- Clint Hurdle, when asked what's behind the Colorado Rockies winning 17 of 18 games
by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder sometimes if LaRussa has made shady deals with voodoo priestesses or gypsies
I think he probably get a certain allotment of times a year where he can trot out a totally illogical lineup and still get awesome results, like 10 or 20 maybe. Maybe he’s just using one of them tonight. Let’s see, we’re going up against Johan Santana desperately trying to split this series. Seems like a good time to go to old Jobu.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "5.7 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jun 25, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Thurston is really adding very little to this team. I would much rather see Brendan Ryan and Tyler Greene starting at 2nd and SS and Barden sitting on the bench. I do not understand why Thurston has had so many chances. He doesn’t play good defense, he runs into outs. And now he is starting against Johan Freaking Santana while Rasmus rides the pine and Skip gets a start in LF.
by OCCardsFan on Jun 25, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thurston, over the last 7 weeks:
.170/.291/.270, in 118 plate appearances…
He’s essentially still getting so much PT because of his hot first 4+ weeks, when he hit .296/.367/.479, over 79 pa.
But his cool streak has been more pronounced than his “hot” streak, and over a longer time, and it is more in line with his career MLB numbers coming into 2009 (.567 OPS in three cups of coffee).
He’s not a great defensive player, and he’s mad numerous boneheaded plays on the bases as well. It just seems weird that he has the 7th most PA on the team….
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by salvomania on Jun 25, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've been saying this for months
only with more F bombs & less stats
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 25, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a good question isn't it..
There’s a reason Thurston was in the minors for 72 years…he’s not that good. Plus he’s one bad throw from killing Albert on one of his weak fading feeds into the runner.
See, this is when “streaks” become normal abilities. I mean, 118 PA is a pretty hefty sample, including the fact that Thurston is a career minor leaguer.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 25, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind him
but he’s a backup MIF, or, at best, one half of a 2B platoon at this level. Playing him every day, in a position he’s not very good at and hasn’t played much before, which traditionally demands some degree of power, isn’t really using him correctly. We need a 3B.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 26, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The not so great lineup the Mets are putting out there
just hung 11 runs on us yesterday (while we managed a fat zero).
Over/Under on number of times on base + errors + bone-headed baserunning plays for Thurston:
I’m setting the line at 3.0.
Rick is horrendous.
That’s about all I’ve got.
by goodymobb on Jun 25, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
their minor league lineup
also got to see a minor league pitcher last night. I don’t like Pineiro & PK back to back, because it’s basically the same game plan and pitches two nights in a row.
haven’t the cardinals hit Santana fairly well in the past?
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by STLRegalia on Jun 25, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point about the Piñeiro and PK thing.
And of course, the inferior version comes second, making it even easier to figure out.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "5.7 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jun 25, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's a minor quibble, but
I did watch Wainwright pretty much concede a homerun in his last start. We were up 11-2, and he ran a 3-2 count to the hitter (don’t recall who that is). He pretty much grooved a fastball over the middle of the plate, which was sent over the left field fence.
Now I know one homer isn’t going to change his stats a bunch, but it was a great move to NOT walk anyone with a 9-run lead.
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by Eckstreem on Jun 25, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Butler at bat, I think
That ball was SMOKED!
by stlfan on Jun 25, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am consistently
impressed with the quality and thoroughness of the content on this site. You guys are writing about material that’s current, and you’re still able to churn out articles like this one on a daily basis. As a fellow blogger, it amazes me. Keep up the good work.
Pineiro is becoming one of those guys that makes me totally reevaluate my perceptions of players. I’m glad he is. I hope he can keep bucking the mediocrity he’s always been associated with. Then I hope we offer him arbitration and end up with at least one supplemental rounder;)
by Toddius on Jun 25, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I read on this site much more than I comment and I truly enjoy the analysis each day. I try to avoid game threads because I find those to be more pointless comments and uninformed negativity, but the daily posts are great. Thanks for the insight.
gonna need more franklins to get through this one.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Jun 25, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heartily agree
This site is definitively revving up my cardinals fanaticism. I barely check the post dispatch anymore and never look at their forums.
The comments section here is truly unbelievable. 500 comments plus consistently and all of them B- and above in quality and many are more interesting than entire bernie (and most better than burrell columns).
No wonder newspapers are dying.
by dugmartsch on Jun 25, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Raz is
0 for his last 16 or 17, with no walks. And he made an error last night.
Why should he be a shoe-in to start?
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 25, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's the best OFer?
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 25, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Colby's OF defense.....
I really do, but I don’t think he is considerably better than Ankiel as far as overall defense. Rick may not look as graceful, but I don’t see him not making plays that Colby would have made.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 25, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see him making plays Rick wouldn't have the time
and making plays that Ankiel barely gets to look routine.
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by azruavatar on Jun 25, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We must be watching the same games.
Also, the idea that a slump of ~20 or ~50 or ~100 PAs is indicative of future results has been thoroughly disproved. Outside of cases of injury, the last handfuls of PAs have no predictive value of the outcome of the next PA.
"It starts at the top with the manager."
-- Clint Hurdle, when asked what's behind the Colorado Rockies winning 17 of 18 games
by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nonsense.....
If a guy is in a slump and not seeing the ball well, or just not swinging it well, he is alot less likely to get a hit his next at bat then if he had been tearing the cover off the ball.
That same thought process is why you “play the hot bat”, or go with the “hot arm.”
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 25, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not nonsense
you are flat out wrong. THE BOOK covered “hot streaks” in great detail. They’re far less indicative of future performance than the larger dataset of what a player has done in the last 2 or 3 years.
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by azruavatar on Jun 25, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on the fence about this...
the study might have shown they aren’t indicative, but there is no doubt that (especially some players) they can be VERY streaky. When they are seeing the ball well they can blast the ball for weeks, when they’re off they’re WAY off. Edmonds is the prime example of this…and Rasmus seems to be pretty streaky as well. It may be a terrible predictor – a slump can turn into a hot streak in one game – it’s still something to consider when making out a lineup.
All that said, neither Thurston or Ankiel are hitting well enough right now (or this season) to justify starting over Rasmus.
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 25, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly does "seeing the ball well" mean anyways?
How can your eyes have streaks?
To me it’s just another tired old baseball adage that’s been disproven by numbers.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jun 25, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem isn't that streaks aren't real
it’s that you CANNOT predict when they might start or end. That’s the issue. No one is denying that players can have a great 10 games. But it might be 8 or it might be 12 or it might be 4. You simply cannot know.
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by azruavatar on Jun 25, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Than the book is wrong.....
Common sense answers this question.
If you have bases loaded, two outs, bottom of the 9th in the 7th game of the WS, and you are down one run…..who would you rather have hitting:
Albert Pujols who has been in a slump the entire WS, where he is 2 for 30, including 0 for his last 15, with 8 K’s…..
or
A guy like Brendan Ryan, who had a decent season, but has been absolutely on FIRE during the WS, and has hit the ball hard all game long?
If you don’t like that “question” with Pujols in it, substitute him for a guy like Ludwick. Or Rasmus. Or whomever.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 25, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly my point
Give me Pujols 1,000,000,000 times over. Brendan Ryan? Are you serious? I don’t care if he is 4-4 with 4 HRs in the game.
"It starts at the top with the manager."
-- Clint Hurdle, when asked what's behind the Colorado Rockies winning 17 of 18 games
by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can sort of see your point.....
with Albert, but I still say if he is all kinds of out of sorts in the box, I’d rather have the hot hand.
But as I also said, substitute Albert for the next best hitter on the team. I have no idea who that is right now, but still.
As for your quote below…..it means nothing. There are reasons players go into prolonged slumps, and it isn’t simply the law of averages catching up. It is usually something mental or mechanical, and those aren’t the kinds of things you are going to easily fix in the middle of a game.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 25, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats why I qualified my original point with..
Outside of cases of injury, the last handfuls of PAs have no predictive value of the outcome of the next PA.
All I am saying is cold bats get hot, hot bats get cold, and what has happened in the recent past doesn’t give a good an indication as to what will happen next. Infinitely more important is the the player’s larger body of work.
I am as superstitious and want to believe as much as the next guy but it has been demonstrated as fact that “riding the hot hand” isn’t predictive.
The quote, btw, is #7 of the sabermetrician’s 10 commandments. Thought surely you had encountered it before =)
"It starts at the top with the manager."
-- Clint Hurdle, when asked what's behind the Colorado Rockies winning 17 of 18 games
by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, #8.
The Commandments:
1) Thou Shalt not Bunt.
2) Thou Shalt Have no Low On Base Percentages Before the Cleanup Hitter.
3) Honor the three-run homer and the leadoff walk.
4) Thou shalt not steal at anything less than a 70% success rate.
5) Thou shalt make no idol of the light-hitting middle infielder.
6) Thou shalt not count to the credit of the pitcher that which is done by his fielders or by his hitters, nor charge him with their failings.
7) Thou shalt not abuse thy starting pitchers.
8) Thou shalt make no effort to ride the hot hand, for the hot hand is but a shape in the wind.
9) Place thy faith not in veterans, when youth be available to ye.
10) Thou shalt not pass freely thy opponent’s number eight hitter, nor his cleanup hitter, nor his left-handed pinch hitter, nor any hitter that is thy opponent’s.
"It starts at the top with the manager."
-- Clint Hurdle, when asked what's behind the Colorado Rockies winning 17 of 18 games
by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
TLR breaks 6 of these commandments, by my count
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jun 25, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is this not green?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 25, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
life illustrates these little points.
obviously, the events of one game are not significant, but you seem to dig these small sample sizes.
going into today’s game, brendan was 5 for 10 against the mets for the series. skippy was 15 for his last 32, as goold pointed out in his 10 at 10 today.
brendan went 0-4, skippy 1-4.
yadi, who had gone 1 for 8 in the series, and 10 for his last 33, was the only person with two hits in the game.
rick ankiel got the only extra-base hit of the game: he was 0-11 for the series, and he was 5 for his last 34.
the rest of the offense was just lone singles.
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by tom s. on Jun 25, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, this is just as useful as all the other pleas to "common sense"
and nice job in answering the question by basically rephrasing the question without actually providing an argument.
sorry, but the answer to the question you pose s pujols every time, unless there is some obvious concern beyond the player simply having a bad streak (e.g., scott rolen playing hurt, jim edmonds playing hurt).
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 25, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Common sense answers this question.
If you have bases loaded, two outs, bottom of the 9th in the 7th game of the WS, and you are down one run…..who would you rather have hitting:
Albert Pujols who has been in a slump the entire WS, where he is 2 for 30, including 0 for his last 15, with 8 K’s…..
or
A guy like Brendan Ryan, who had a decent season, but has been absolutely on FIRE during the WS, and has hit the ball hard all game long?
Ermmmm…. Pujols. Every day of the week.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 25, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fairly certain TLR would have to enter witness protection if he picked BR over AP in this situation
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jun 25, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he might have to play him at second...
…later in the game if you happen to tie the game.
That was the logic behind Rowand-gate, I think.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 25, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I read this
it seems like the opposite of what you are trying to prove because I pick Pujols everytime. or Ludwick. Or whoever the best hitter has shown himself to be over a sustained period of time and not 10 or 30 at bats.
Like I said above, streaks are real. We can measure them. The problem is that you CANNOT predict when a streak will start or end. Any claim that you or TLR will play the hot hand because you know it’s going to stay hot or it’s more likely to stay hot is flat out wrong. This isn’t an area you can equivocate on. You are simply wrong. Streaks are not predictable or predictive.
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by azruavatar on Jun 25, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
[Addendum: Streaks are not more predictive than another sample set of the same size. They still have the same amount of predictive power as any other “normal” set of data.]
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by azruavatar on Jun 25, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you trying to prove here?
That you’d bench baseballs best hitter for some other guy, assuming both are physically sound? Or you’d replace RANDOM GOOD PLAYER with RANDOM WORSE PLAYER? That’s silly.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 25, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the stupidest choice of players used to make any kind of point about anything, ever.
I don’t even care that it’s the World Series. I’ll take Albert Pujols.
Actually, if Brendan Ryan is 3-4 with 3 singles, he’s probably due to make an out.
Similarly, if Albert Pujols has 8 K’s in a 7 game world series we are probably playing an alien franchise from Jupiter where all their pitchers throw 137 mph heat. You realize that he has a whopping 27 K’s in 52 career postseason games right?
Your ignorance on this subject is egregious.
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by fourstick on Jun 25, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
omfg
St. Louis relievers... defying win expectancy since 2008
http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/
by vivaelpujols on Jun 27, 2009 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The point is that
A “hot bat” is just as likely to go cold as a “cold bat” is likely to get hot.
“Thou shalt make no effort to ride the hot hand, for the hot hand is but a shape in the wind.”
"It starts at the top with the manager."
-- Clint Hurdle, when asked what's behind the Colorado Rockies winning 17 of 18 games
by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny.....
Because I see Ankiel make plays, and running balls down at the wall that I don’t think Colby would make.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perception is a sneaky thing.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 25, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right it is funny
About a week after Rick careened into the wall Colby made a play at the wall standing up no problem.
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by azruavatar on Jun 25, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet
you really enjoyed Tony using his last LH batter to Pinch hit for Colby, leaving Ludwick exposed in the 9th. And that left hander in particular. Wait till you see the Twins with Mauer and Morneau, Kubel and the lot. I believe there is now open warfare between Tony and mystery figures. It should be a rich time for observers of Cardinal baseball.
by OperaCard on Jun 25, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 25, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seconded.
I have no idea what that meant
"It starts at the top with the manager."
-- Clint Hurdle, when asked what's behind the Colorado Rockies winning 17 of 18 games
by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OperaCard = WestCoastBirdWatcher
I’m calling it….
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 25, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How not Monk?
Who else tells you whats happening in plenty of time to enjoy it.
by OperaCard on Jun 25, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are not WCBW
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 25, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little veiled maybe.
Tony made a decision based on a coaches prerogative. That is a message to BD. Not a popular decision. Not a logical decision. Its a contest that has been going on for a year. I believe this will indicate some activity on both sides of the line. Its a complex perspective that is best not discussed here. I thought the Cards played fairly well today considering. Here come those Twins. Watch the hitters. Balance, symmetry. No McRaeisms.
by OperaCard on Jun 25, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball isn't any fun if I have to watch.
I’d rather just download the box scores do this super-fast clicky thing that is really exciting. I actually like to imagine the players as numbers. Like Albert is this giant personified “101”. You should see his uniform! It looks really funny on him because he doesn’t even have legs!
"It starts at the top with the manager."
-- Clint Hurdle, when asked what's behind the Colorado Rockies winning 17 of 18 games
by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had Pujols as 74
am I imagining it wrong?
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 26, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your human brain sees 74
My circuitry reads 01001010. Which looks even much funnier in a uniform! Good call!
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by all4tookie on Jun 26, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah see now...
…this is why I think that data are good things. Data are not influenced by anything other than what happened or what did not happen. It’s neat to watch Ankiel run down a ball and whipe out in the process, but Rasmus catching them standing up and catching balls Ank wouldn’t have is a lot cooler.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 25, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD...
I don’t think he is considerably better than Ankiel as far as overall defense. Rick may not look as graceful, but I don’t see him not making plays that Colby would have made.
Colby Rasmus has been one of the very best defenders in baseball according to the best fielding metric in existence right now. Don’t believe me? WELL LINKY HERE!
Don’t like UZR? That’s fair. What is your problem with it? Explain why it’s wrong. Something more than…I DON’T BUY IT!!!…would be preferable. I mean shoot, I don’t think UZR or any other defensive metric is perfect, but UZR is pretty good b/c the methodology behind calculating is logical and sound.
Now this whole “makes better plays” is cool if you’re a Baseball Tonight highlight cutter. But me? I care about results. Don’t buy UZR? Okay I watch the games too a ball that Ank dives for Rasmus catches in stride. Do you buy that?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 25, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of "shoe-in"
Reminds me of the hokey-pokey
"It starts at the top with the manager."
-- Clint Hurdle, when asked what's behind the Colorado Rockies winning 17 of 18 games
by all4tookie on Jun 25, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it really?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 25, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take your pic
The best outfielder. The team’s best hitting outfielder thus far. Ankiel and Ludwick haven’t hit in months and Colby has.
As was said above me, streaks are a predictor of absolutely nothing. The logical extension of your hot hand argument is that if someone has any kind of 0-fer slump, you bench them until someone else has a slump. Then you put them back in. That’s silly. I mean shoot Pujols went 0-14 earlier this season, he should have been benched too!
You look at these last 16 at-bats as some kind of proof that Rasmus shouldn’t be in the lineup. I say that’s unfortunate, but in 215 at-bats this season he’s outplayed any other outfielder on this team on defense alone.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 25, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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