Revisiting the projections
by chuckb on Jun 18, 2009 10:56 AM EDT
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I’ve taken the ZIPS, the Chone, and the PECOTA preseason projections for each of the Cards’ position players (except LaRue) and averaged their wOBA. I had to estimate PECOTA’s wOBA based on its other numbers. I, then, figured out the projected wRAA based on each player’s current number of PAs to compare it to their actual wRAA. Run diff. is the run differential between the actual numbers and the projected numbers. A positive run differential means that the player has outperformed his projections and a negative run differential means he has underperformed his projections. To the numbers:
| Proj. wOBA | PA | Proj. wRAA | Act. wOBA | Act. wRAA | Run diff. | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ankiel | .348 | 161 | 2.20 | .314 | -2.1 | -4.30 |
| Barden | .291 | 112 | -3.97 | .298 | -2.9 | 1.07 |
| Duncan | .354 | 230 | 4.39 | .331 | 0.2 | -4.19 |
| K. Greene | .322 | 123 | -1.10 | .266 | -6.5 | -5.40 |
| T. Greene | .276 | 75 | -3.68 | .317 | -0.8 | 2.88 |
| Ludwick | .365 | 180 | 5.13 | .318 | -1.7 | -6.83 |
| Molina | .314 | 230 | -3.53 | .335 | 1.1 | 4.63 |
| Pujols | .446 | 282 | 28.03 | .460 | 30.5 | 2.47 |
| Rasmus | .326 | 211 | -1.15 | .344 | 2.5 | 3.65 |
| Ryan | .296 | 143 | -4.45 | .325 | -0.5 | 3.95 |
| Schumaker | .327 | 235 | -1.03 | .317 | -2.4 | -1.37 |
| Stavinoha | .300 | 66 | -1.85 | .263 | -3.7 | -1.85 |
| Thurston | .312 | 183 | -3.24 | .313 | -2.5 | 0.74 |
According to the numbers – Barden, Tyler Greene, Molina, Pujols, Rasmus, Ryan, and Thurston have outperformed their projections. Molina, Ryan, and Rasmus have all outperformed them by more than 3 runs. Unfortunately, only one of those guys would be considered a vital component to our offense. Most of our most important offensive players – the leadoff hitter and the other middle of the order hitters – have underperformed their projections. I have also, of course, left out Troy Glaus who, if healthy, should have been between 5 and 8 wRAA so far this season. In addition to Glaus’ injury, Ludwick and K. Greene have really hurt the team so far.
All told, the current players’ wRAA is minus 4.55, meaning that our offense has underperformed its projections by about 4.5 runs so far this season. In other words, poor performance – rather than poor players – has cost the team about half a win offensively to this point in the season. The point is that I don’t expect to get a lot more from the offense at least until Glaus returns, assuming he plays well when he does return. We should get some more from Ludwick and Ankiel but I’m not expecting Duncan to turn into a 25-30 homer guy and I think we’re deluding ourselves if we expect Khalil Greene to turn into a productive offensive player. We can hope, but I’d say that anything positive we get from K. Greene has to be considered gravy.
Hopefully, Rasmus and Ryan can continue to play well and hopefully Molina continues to outperform his projections. We can talk about making trades all we want, but if Ludwick doesn’t come around, we’re going to be in a heap of trouble. We shouldn’t expect Ankiel’s ability to get on base to increase materially but we can hope for some more homers. He has just 4 – fewer than Duncan. In fact, it’s fewer than Molina has.
Should we expect a lot more from Skip Schumaker? The projections tell us no. Maybe a little, but not a lot. Duncan? I haven’t seen any indication that he’s going to hit for a lot more power, Monday night’s homer notwithstanding. I don’t see any indication that the Khalil Greene experiment is going to work out. I hope for his sake that it does b/c his mental health is more important than the couple of wins he might provide the Cards’ team. It comes down to needing more from Ludwick and Ankiel and hoping that Glaus returns healthy and productive and that Duncan’s power returns. The first two games against the Tigers have been a pretty good start.
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Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
That is all.
by stlhulsey on Jun 18, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd like to make a motion
that all fanpost, fanshot, and main story comments must start with this or something like it.
by stlfan on Jun 18, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously guys? Seriously?
I’m still pretty skeptical of the Albert Pujols Experiment at this point. I mean, sure, he’s leading the majors in wOBA by ten points, but the guy isn’t even slugging .700 anymore. Maybe slugging .695 with an OBP in the .440s is good enough for you but I think he can do better. He’s a lot like Beltran, so much talent but he doesn’t seem to care. On the bright side, at this pace he might manage to scrape together 50 homers this season (finally. Is it so much to ask for our “super duper star 1B” to hit 50 homers in one season? He gets over 160 games to do it, this shouldn’t be as difficult as it has been for the guy).
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 18, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't see him doing the little things like derek jeter. also.
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by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya I no rite how many rings???
Seriously though, the Pujols ridiculosity quotient continues to climb. Small sample of His Greatness: so far, 25 Ks, 23 HR, 21 IBB.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 18, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But can he do this?
hit more HRs (18) than his team has wins (17) like Adam Dunn????
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by gocards62 on Jun 18, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if Dunn will end up with 2x as many BBs as the Nationals have wins?
I’d take that bet.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 18, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say that's pretty much a given.
He’s on pace for 128 walks. That’d mean the Nat would have to win 64 games and right now their on pace to go 43-119. To get to 64 wins, they’d have to go 47-52 which while only being a .475 win percentage. That’s not nearly as steep a hill to climb as I originally thought, but considering they’re winning at a .270 clip, that’s a major improvement.
I think this depends on if he’s a Nat all year, or not. If he is, I could see his walk rate actually go up since there’s really only him and Zim in that lineup that’s should worry anyone. If he gets traded, he’s probably likely to get walked a little less, but then Washington would probably have more trouble winning the required 47 games without him.
Oh…but I forgot….he’s fat, lazy and hates baseball…….so now I’m not sure anymore.
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by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't discount...
Nick Johnson. Washington has some talent in their lineup…Guzman, Dukes…they just don’t have ANY pitching.
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 18, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rotation
in like 3 years, their rotation will be pretty ridiculously good and cost-controlled. They just have 0 up and coming young IF and few OF. Also, their bullpen is a shambles, so they’re probably going to have to trade those young SP, which will then mire them in mediocrity forever-ever-ever-ever-ever
by spencegrif on Jun 18, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only he has more than baseball is America
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kahlil back for today's game
per rotoworld
by saladdays on Jun 18, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of deluding ourselves,
I wish we could just dispense with hope for anything from Glaus. Assuming he actually gets healthy again, to think that his offense will magically return to its normal level when he steps on the field just seems absurd to me after such a long layoff.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 18, 2009 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rolen is looking pretty good this year
I guess the Cardinals won year 1 of the trade and the Blue Jays win year 2.
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by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be interesting to see how Glaus 2008 + Replacements 2009 stack up against Rolen 2008 + Rolen 2009
It might also be kind of sad, but I’m sure this will make an excellent WARlike debate at VEB or BtB or what have you.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 18, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it would be Rolen by a mile so far
But Glaus was a fucking monster last year. He was a 5 Win last year. His 2008 season has been more productive than Rolen’s 2008 + 2009 so far.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 18, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize that
And of course, when deciding which team “won” the trade it’s only fair to factor in the Cardinals’ replacements for Glaus. It’s not like we went and signed a FA to play 3rd this year, it’s all been internal.
Well… K. Greene will change that somewhat. But bah.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 18, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the Cardinals will win Year 3
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by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to delude myself that Glaus will hit 20 home runs when he gets back
because I can
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do people really think that he's even gonna play this yr?
It just seems so fishy….and we never hear a thing about it.
Okay, so let’s set the “Troy Glaus’ next major league at-bat” at Sept. 15th.
I think I’m taking the over.
by goodymobb on Jun 18, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I predict he starts august 28th
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that sounds about right
I’m not expecting him to be 2008-vintage Glaus though. If we make the playoffs he could be really important…
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 18, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Mdredbirdfreak
I was getting ready to make the same comment, then read his
by ridgesee on Jun 18, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This happens to me every year around June or so
But it is still a weird feeling that we have only seen 66 games so far. That’s something like 40%, or 2/5, of the season. We’re still not even halfway through this thing. So don’t worry, there’s still plenty of time for things to get better or worse!
It also seems like Molina has outperformed his projections the last couple of years. I guess that shouldn’t be much of a surprise. He had a pretty terrible offensive bottoming out that year he hit .214 or whatever it was (2006?). I wonder at what point his recent success will have enough weight in the projection systems that he stops outperforming them? And will we continue to see something like league-average offense from Yadi going forward? It is very tempting to believe he’s a significantly better hitter than he used to be. Also, if something like league average is his true level of current ability as a hitter, I would think that B. Anderson’s status in the organization will continue to fall. Anderson’s appeal seems to be that he can play catcher and he doesn’t seem to be a bad hitter. This is very valuable since we’re talking about catchers, but Yadi seems to already be a catcher who isn’t bad at hitting… and he’s very good defensively. So I just don’t see Anderson doing much for the big league club right now, for better or for worse.
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by mattybobo on Jun 18, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nor anything next year when matt FRICKING pagnozzi becomes our backup.
if that’s really where the club wants to go with catching, then we need to trade anderson before his trade value drops. right now, all he is is yadi insurance. although, we shouldn’t totally discount the value in that.
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by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson
We should have dealt him last winter or the winter before, I think. Hindsight is always 20/20, as the saying goes, but it’s clear that his future with a TLR-managed Cardinals club is nonexistent. TLR has said on more than one occasion that he doesn’t care about offense when giving a backup catcher a roster spot. All that matters is defense. Dan ‘n Al have parroted this TLRism over and over to defend Jason LaRue over the last couple of seasons. The conventional wisdom on Anderson is that he is below average defensively. So, I don’t foresee him in St. Louis any time soon, not even for a cup o’ joe. However, we will probably see a no-hit catcher fresh off the farm later this year. Pagnozzi has been heating up with the weather after an atrociously horrendous start to the year. His slashes have risen to .250/.323/.393/.716. In June, he’s hitting .348/.348/.391/.739. (Yes, he’s walking in a Rasmusian fashion this month.) Pagnozzi has undoubtedly raised his offensive production enough to justify a future roster spot on the big club, based on TLR aforementioned philosophy on backup catchers.
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by bgh on Jun 18, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with anderson
a year ago, he was a young-for-his-level catcher whose defence was almost major-league ready who could comfortably hit over .300 despite his lack of power. Now, he seems to only be playing every other day, he’s a year older without any notable advance in his skills (apparently his defence keeps getting better, but he’s still supposedly sub-par), which means he’s no longer THAT young for his level, and his bat seems to have cooled off. I think he’s at about his least valuable right now, which is a shame because he’d be a really useful trade piece if he’d hit in 09 like he did in 08…
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 18, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think his defense was ever anywhere close to "major league ready".
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno i've heard different reports about it
same as with wallace… Might just be Cards fans’ wishful thinking, though….
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 18, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always felt the defensive struggles were WAY overblown.
He was never going to be a good defensive catcher — probably a below average one — but the platoon splits make soooo much sense to me that it’d be worth having him catch 40 games a year and pinch hit from time to time.
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by azruavatar on Jun 18, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lastache's stats don't thrill you sufficiently?
really, if anderson’s not going to pick up more skills at AAA, why not just promote him and make him the backup catcher for 2010? he doesn’t seem to generate enough interest from other teams to make him the centerpiece in a major trade.
i’d much rather we use him, and take the $600,000 we save and give it to some international prospect. and he’s just worlds better than pagnozzi.
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by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offensively
would it be safe to compare him to Skip Schumaker?
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe 21 year old skip schumaker.
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by SleepyCA on Jun 18, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
I think you’re talking about a catcher that hits .300/.350/.400 against RHP. Molina hits .650 OPS against RHP with a hundred point bump against LHP. I don’t understand the reluctance to use Anderson even accepting that his defense is sub par.
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by azruavatar on Jun 18, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Az
I was very, very angry when the Redbirds started Pagz vs. the I-Cubs in Game 1 of their series in Des Moines back at the end of April/beginning of May. His presence at the plate was pathetic. He looked like the #9 hitter on a Little League team both with his swing and with his results. It was truly awful. But, he seems to be hitting better now.
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by bgh on Jun 18, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also re Pagnozzi
he’s sucked at basically every level with the bat and just been moved up based on his age – and he’s old (and has a lot of service time) for a AAA catcher. I really don’t like him at all. I think he’ll probably struggle to hit as well as a good-hitting pitcher in the majors.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 18, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was actually sad they released knoedler. he seemed like at least as decent a
third-string catcher as pags.
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by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Molina
I’ve felt the issue with him is that we’ve seen the best and worst with him in 2 plus months. Overall his numbers are in line, but he has played a big role in our awful slump. His bat went dead just as he was getting moved up in the lineup. If he tracks along his season averages the rest of the way this offense picks up several runs from the last month plus.
by Merry CRasmus on Jun 18, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think his power this year is a huge plus
always been a good contact hitter but in his late 20s I get the feeling he’s developing a bit more pop and has maybe improved a bit as a hitter. I was going to do a fanpost about this a while back but then he started slumping and all of a sudden was back to about his career average again, so it didn’t really seem appropriate. I might have a closer look at his numbers at some point though…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jun 18, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great post
kinda sums up a lot of what I was thinking
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way OT
I was catching up with MLBTR and noticed a couple things. The indians would trade Victor Martinez if blown away. Can he play 3B? Carl Crawford and John Lackey project to be type B free agents? something about that doesn’t seem right.
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by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Victor Martinez and 3rd base?
No.
What would make you think he could play 3rd? Would you feel comfortable putting Molina or LaRue there?
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by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cause I play video games
I imagine he wouldn’t have too much range, but he’s been playing 1B, so anything hit right at him wouldn’t be a problem. His offense would definitely make up for the lack of D. just thinking out loud.
I bet Molina could handle 3rd. He’s definitely got the arm for it
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by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Molina...
has GREAT hands and reflexes. He may be a solid 3B.
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 18, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Range?
I don’t see him as having great range.
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by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
martinez plays several positions
although not sure about 3B
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Several"?
In his career:
Catcher – 664 games
1st Base – 96 games
Designated Hitter – 28 games
Defensive flexibility isn’t exactly a strong suit of his.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
DH doesn’t count as a position played, at least not to me.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 18, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was sort of my point.
And, are you quoting yourself there?
Is that kind of like speaking in the third person?
Tackle Box agrees with Blazer in that Victor Martinez doesn’t play many positions.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
Red Blazer likes to talk about what Red Blazer says!
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 18, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
ah
I was under the wrong impression about the guy… he’s mainly a catcher
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Range is not usually an issue at 3B...
it’s more about reaction time. The ball gets there so fast that your rarely more than a step away from the play. I know he takes a lot of infield practice.
Of course this is a moot point since we’re talking about the best defensive player at the most difficult position.
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 18, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
That couldnt’ be any more wrong. You not only have to be able to cover the line, but you also have to cut off the shortstop on anything hit in between third and short or else you’re gonna see a ton of infield hits. Also, did you forget about covering the bunt and dribblers up the 3rd base line?
I’m not sure how anyone could 1) say that “Range” is not a factor at 3B and 2) make any sort of argument that Yadier Molina could be even close to acceptable playing there. Teams would just abuse him if he played 3rd.
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by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
molina does have great hands, great arms, and great reflexes.
he is also, even after losing some weight, built like a garbage truck.
as long as we can get all the batters on the other team to promise to hit the ball within 4 feet on either side of him, he’ll be fine. sadly, i don’t think that will happen.
come one, have you guys watched him try to beat out an infield hit? if brett wallace is a question mark at third base, molina at third is an upside down exclamation mark, followed by the letter n, the letter o, and a right-side up exclamation mark.
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by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we are digressing away from my original point
would victor martinez’s bad D, if we converted him to 3B, be made up for with his offensive numbers?
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by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My opinion....
no.
And just to point this out, I almost had a heart attack when I read on B-R that he weighs 170 pounds. So, I checked mlb.com and it says 210 which I’m pretty sure is accurate. Not that this has anything to do with anything, but it just really stood out to me when I looked at it.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That 170 number
is his drivers license weight.
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by norlanski on Jun 18, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh!!!
I can relate!
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he is incredibly slow...
but so is Glaus. Most plays at 3B are diving not running plays. I’ve never had to see Yadi dive, but his pop time is so fast that he may have that quick lateral burst as well. Guys could probably bunt for base hits all day long with Yadi at the hot corner, but I think he would be excellent otherwise. Then again, he’s a damn good catcher.
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 18, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ot: rotobar says welley's velocity is down
i keep reading conflicting reports on this. is his velocity actually down?
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by themanthemyth on Jun 18, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He touched 94 a couple times last night ATG
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by jd is legend on Jun 18, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm going to take that as a no
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by themanthemyth on Jun 18, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see for yourself . . . .
Welly’s pitching speed over the last three years, outing by outing.
It looks to me that it’s dropping some.
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by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like...
he’s lost 1 or 2 MPH on average.
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by cardzfanbub on Jun 18, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
down a little
4B - beer baseball bands blog
history tells us again and again how GOB points out the folly of man
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but he's basically where he was at the begining of last year aside from the alst 2 starts on the graph
It’s also weird that his velocity seemed to jump up after going on the DL last year.
by TheBirds on Jun 18, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colby is kicking butt in June but.....
yahoo says he has no walks! haha. A 1.1something OPS and no walks.
Oh, and Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
by sdrone on Jun 18, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When's the last time Colby took a walk?
Seems like it might be April
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jun 18, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
May 25th
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIL/MIL200905250.shtml
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
by StLHugo on Jun 18, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before to long, he is going to be forced to take a walk.
If he is batting after Pujols in the batting order I wouldn’t be suprised to see someone pitch around him. He has been hitting well recently and the guys later in the order continue to struggle.
by Schnurdog on Jun 18, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Albert Pujols is ridiculous) - So, any bets that Colby sits
in Thursday’s game?
Call me Pessimistic Pete or whatever, but anecdotally at least, it seems like sees the bench right after a nice game like the one he had last night.
by goodymobb on Jun 18, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young players need to be reminded of their place
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 18, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
as much as I don't like Al
I’m digging that photo
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
guess you missed the part last night
where Al said “Colby and Ludwick need to be playing every day”.
But yeah, colby needs to be smacked for not hustling on the basepaths last night. If that means not giving him a start, that’s fine with me, as long as he knows why it is.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 18, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did miss that....
Maybe he’s coming around? Having a Walt Kawalksi “Aha!” moment?
by goodymobb on Jun 18, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said they need to start....
…because no one else is playing well.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
he quickly followed it up by saying menacingly “until he proves he shouldn’t be”
by spencegrif on Jun 18, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't let rookies build on their success like that.
Might get a big head about it.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 18, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honest question.
Do you think he could have gotten to that 2nd Granderson HR?
I wasn’t in the gamethread last night so I’m not positive if anyone brought it up. But, my first reaction to the home run was, “go catch it!”. I know it was hit hard and got out in a relative hurry, but I think if he’d have reacted immediately to it and busted it, he could have been there for a play.
And please don’t take this a me nitpicking him. I think he should be out there pretty much everyday (time off for rest from time-to-time is fine, but I see no reason for a platoon or anything. Let him play).
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
when you get to the point where you expect people to catch balls hit over the fence, you’re asking too much.
OTOH, rookies shouldn’t be watching home runs.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 18, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It landed in the grass
you know that odd ledge thingy they’ve got above the wall. It’s not like the ball was hit into the stands.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It also looked like
Colby thought it was beating him to the wall and going off it…he was trying to play the carom.
by stlfan on Jun 18, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I missed it live
But in seeing it on the post-game, it looked like he could’ve had a play. It barely made it over the wall and to me it kinda looked like he eased up to play it off the wall, like he wasn’t expecting it to go out, but he didn’t think he could get to it either.
by goodymobb on Jun 18, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dick would have got it
actually, I have no idea, haven’t even seen the play. Ankiel just seems more apt to climb(run into) the wall
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
I think Rick should not be allowed to play CF unless he is wearing shoulder pads and a football helmet.
It’s for his own good.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 18, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It used to bother me
That Colby wasn’t taking any walks. Than I realized he is a rookie and they are challenging him. If he can step up and mash now it will bode well for later when pitchers start to become afraid of him
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 18, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luddy just needs everyday playing time
if healthy he’ll find his groove again. He was rolling before getting injured. All players get out of sorts and get into slumps. I just wish he didn’t sit every third game or so right now so that he could get him self righted quicker.
Milt Thompson FTW!
by gossard56 on Jun 18, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the original post nailed it.....
Too many guys that haven’t lived up to expectations (Luddy, Rick, and to a lesser extent Skip and Duncan). Cou;le that with losing Glaus, and we just aren’t producing. So…..I think the question we have to ask ourselves is did we overvalue guys like Luddy and Rick? If so, we need help. If not, are they going to figure things out this year?
I think you have to add a nice bat, someone that can hit 2-5, and hope one or two guys get things going. IF that happens, and we can stay healthy going forward, I think we’ll win the division.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 18, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i like the analysis chuck
i’m surprised that their performance to date is so close to their projection; i thought it was a pretty good-looking offense heading into the year, and i would have assumed they had underperformed by a lot more than 4.5 runs to date -- like, i would have guessed a 15- or 20-run gap.
the one piece not addressed here is playing time -- that is, we would have expected luddy to have more than 180 PA by this point in the season (closer to 240 or so), so we should adjust his projected wRAA upward to reflect the lost playing time. we would have expected 240 PA at at .365 wOBA, or roughly 6.5 wRAA; instead we’ve gotten 180 PA at .318, or minus 1.7 wRAA -- so the true gap on Luddy might be closer to 8.2 runs, instead of 6.8. likewise, Stavinoha’s projected impact on the offense was 0 runs -- he wasn’t supposed to get any playing time at all. so his “true” gap, i would argue, is negative 3.7 runs, rather than merely negative 1.85.
if we went through player by player and adjusted for playing time, i’m not sure whether or not it would alter the bottom line all that much. the takeaway seems to be that even if all the players lived up to their projections, this offense (sans glaus) is only middle-of-pack. i’m surprised by that conclusion, but these numbers are pretty persuasive . . . .
by lboros on Jun 18, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I also wonder
What addressing the obvious weakness against left handed pitching would do for some of these guys. Not sure it even has to be a “name” guy, just a righthanded bat that has a big platoon split.
We’ve got…
Ankiel – .517 OPS in 46 PA (.735 career)
Duncan – .691 in 65 PA (.626 career)
Schumaker – .611 in 44 PA (.503 career)
Rasmus – .411 in 50 PA
Stavinoha hasn’t been much better. Nor was Robinson. Thurston has been great against lefties but not sure that is sustainable.
There is a need to find a righthanded bat that handles lefties. If you can find that, you take about 150 PA’s away from some combination of the group above and likely get performance that is .200-.250 OPS better in those at bats. You’re then giving several of these guys an excellent chance to improve their overall numbers the rest of the way, increasing their perceived value. Right now the redundancies against the left side still have not been properly addressed and they weigh things down. Relatively speaking, this doesn’t seem to be a hard fix nor does it have to be all that expensive.
by Merry CRasmus on Jun 18, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
+1
Even though adding a single right bat doesn’t solve all the woes, it is incremental improvement. Why not make an incremental improvement if it will not cost (players, salary, opportunity cost) a lot for a 1/2 season rental? Or even bringing in a half-retired righty bat?
So yes to addition by subtraction. Subtract PAs vs. lefties for our lefty hitters.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on Jun 18, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relatively speaking, this doesn’t seem to be a hard fix nor does it have to be all that expensive.
Exactly. Some of us have been arguing that for about 2 months now – and it’s so frustrating the org does nothing about it. As in the spring, there are a number of cheap, no-risk moves we can make to improve the team NOW, such as renting an average right-handed OF who can hit lefties. There’s like 4 or 5 of them hanging around on non-contending team that we could get for a bag of balls. Instead, we’re rolling Nick F’ing Stavinoha and guys like Shane Robinson out there on a regular basis. It’s so frustrating.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 18, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just one additional point
Not to go on too long with this, because I think most everyone agrees already, but this problem is too easy to exploit in high leverage situations. If there is a tight situation in the later innings, and one of these guys listed above takes their turn in the lineup, then it is too easy to have your lefty specialist on the ready, daring us to pinch hit Stav, Robinson, T.Greene, etc. What can we really do about it right now? Not much.
If you have a legitimate righthanded bat waiting, then you give the managers something to think about. Does the other team bring in their lefthanded ace in the hole as often? If they do, we can flip the tables on them and get a more competitive at bat in a critical high leverage situation. Or maybe they don’t even make the move, waiting for a better spot, and Skip, Colby, Ankiel, Duncan get a better matchup for themselves.
It’s a little too easy to manage against this roster right now. By adding a solid righthanded bat, we get better potential matchups in the high leverage situations that develop, and presumably (if people perform to their averages) you can squeeze a few extra runs that way. And these typically will be runs that translate to wins faster as well.
by Merry CRasmus on Jun 18, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the numbers are striking.
contrast the 2009 numbers so far with the 2008 final numbers. I sorted both lists by offensive runs.
last year, albert led the team with 70.7 offensive runs above replacement, which he is well on pace to beat – by a lot. ludwick was worth 41 runs yet still isn’t into positive numbers this year. glaus was worth 25 runs, but hasn’t made an appearance. ankiel was worth 13.6, and remains negative. felipe lopez, of all people, is up in the running from last year at 12.6 runs. skippy followed at 7.8 runs. the remainder of the team was not significantly worth more than average.
the contrasts are striking, when comparing those numbers to the year so far, with only rasmus, duncan, and molina on the positive side alongside the force of nature that is albert. lack of playing time, injuries, and slumps have really destroyed the value that ludwick and ankiel provided last yera. let’s hope the rest of the year improves.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anytime I see LB I listen
and this time I rec’d too, I would love to see the numbers altered for expected playing time.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
by StLHugo on Jun 18, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree w/ your comments about the playing time
I was really just trying to address their performance to date vis-a-vis the expectations, regardless of playing time. The team has clearly been hurt by the injuries to Ludwick and, to a lesser degree, Ankiel. I think the numbers show, however, that the performance of most of the players, or of the team as a whole isn’t that far off from what we should have expected given the playing time the players have received.
by chuckb on Jun 18, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glaus
Any chance we offer him arby next year? If so, what kind of dollars would we be looking at? I believe I saw a projection that had him as a potential Type A guy. Be tough to walk away from the extra picks if we chose to just let him walk.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 18, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't see signing Glaus but who knows anything could happen.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 18, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we offered him arbitration
the very least he would get paid is $9M, because you can only decrease salary a small amount in arbitration (whichever is higher between 20% from last year (11.75×0.8 = 9.0M) or 30% from 2 years ago, 12.75×0.7, or $8.9M).
I can’t see them risking that unless they are 100% sure he’s healthy. If he is healthy, though, it’s probably a bargain.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 18, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are 100% sure he’s healthy = he’s not healthy.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
if he is an A i think it might be worth the risk if they think he is healthy
if not healthy or only a B, pass
by FunkeeC on Jun 18, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that 20% to 30% stuff
Actually is true for leaving Free Agent players. Just players still under the 3 years of Arbitration. I am pretty sure after looking around a lot during the off season and having a similar conversation about Renteria.
Could be wrong though
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 18, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that's wrong.
If they offer arb, it works exactly the same whether the guy is a super-two or an aging vet; the only difference is the pool of comperable salaries they compare him to.
The only way they could reduce it more than 20-30% is if they non-tender him, at which point they could sign him for whatever they agree to (but lose the chance at draft picks if he goes elsewhere).
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 18, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And also make him...
a free agent.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Jun 18, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he'll be a free agent either way.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 18, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if they offer him
arbitration.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Jun 18, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's just an offer.
He can decline it and become a free agent immediately, or he can ignore it, and become a free agent at the mid-december arb deadline date.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 18, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just adding that the risk in non-tendering...
vs. offering arb is that he becomes a free agent. I think we all know this, but I thought for some reason it should be added.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Jun 18, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he's on line to be a type A
but the longer he’s not playing, the closer he gets to the threshold. I reckon he probably needs to be back (and playing well) in early-ish August to keep that up, though I’m not sure. I’m pretty sure he’s definitely a type B, however.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 18, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He will be an A
He is near the Top of the List right now.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 18, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glaus would surely accept right?
I can’t imagine he is going to do better than that on a short term deal on the open market and $9 M for a chance to earn a final long term deal would be perfect for him. Maybe he will feel differently and risk saying no, but given the contraction in salaries last year and his injury questions, I have a hard time thinking he wouldn’t accept arb.
So I think it comes down to whether you think he will be worth $9-12M next year. If not, you can’t offer him arb.
by OCCardsFan on Jun 18, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends
If he comes back and plays at all this year I think it’s more likely that we offer him arb. If he doesn’t come back, that’s a really risky proposition.
FWIW, I think it’s a good risk to take. There aren’t a lot of good 3B on the market this fall and there will be some teams looking to upgrade at that position. Even if he accepts we’ll owe him $3M or so less than we did this year and I don’t think we’ll be able to sign any 3B with his skillset to a 1 or 2 year deal for that kind of money.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jun 18, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, next year
we should have a pretty deep basket of cheap replacements (Wallace, Freese, maybe Craig but I’m not sure, and Mather) if he goes down again.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offer him arby?
“For your contributions to the St. Louis Cardinals baseball franchise, here’s a roast beef sandwich.”
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jun 18, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's probably require a bacon cheddar roast burger
and mozz sticks
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have a coupon for 3 beef & cheddars for $5
throw in some curly fries & he should be golden
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PS good post chuck
one of the more interesting front page posts this week.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 18, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Al
At what point does he end the “Colby needs to stop swinging for homers” meme? The guy is not perfect. He has opportunities to get better, and likely will. Still, hardly a game goes by where this is not mentioned by Al. Last night, just before he hit one off the wall. I think everyone at this point knows what he thinks on that issue. I don’t really agree with him that Colby is focused solely on homers, but even if I did agree with him I’d be at the point where I’d want this to stop.
by Merry CRasmus on Jun 18, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with Al on that point
it’s really annoying that Colby’s turned nearly half of his last 25 hits into extra bases by elevating the ball. BAD COLBY!
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 18, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did anyone watch the postgame with TLR?
It really sounded like he said “Cody” when asked about Rasmus. I can’t find it to listen again, but if anyone else (thought they might have) heard this, let me know.
by goodymobb on Jun 18, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to get colby playing time
someone had to convince TLR over a bottle of wine that he was really Cody McKay
by FunkeeC on Jun 18, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
At least it wasn't Young Hitter
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 18, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you heard him say it too?
Sweet! I’m not losing my hearing as fast as I thought.
I dig the Cody McKay and Young HItter comments too…funny stuff.
by goodymobb on Jun 18, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry,
I LOL at mattybobo’s Young Hitter comment. I don’t get any post-game coverage, MLB.tv cuts you off as soon as the last out is made. You barely get to see the guys high-five and, POOF!, they’re gone.
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 18, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really do think AL would be happy if Colby would stop at first base every time
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jun 18, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
any news who got the bus ride
for the swap of Jeff Spicoli(K Green)?
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jun 18, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Only thing I read
was by goold saying they’d keep the same breakdown of 13 pitchers and 12 position players, so if you were thinking PJ Walters……..don’t.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably even money between tyler and stavinoha, then.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking Tyler
and that doesn’t make me happy at all.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
the cards site has nothing yet except K Bot might be called up
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jun 18, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rotoworld says its gonna happen today.
so does Goold.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's funny b/c the fsn folks had been saying hawksworth for khalil.
which made more sense.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why it won't happen...
I thought Hawk was already sent back down?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jun 18, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no.
still there.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they try
to send down Cody McKay we really need to have a discussion about dementia in the clubhouse and it’s possible effects on a baseball team.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jun 18, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes several say its going to happen
but no updates and as of 3:31 central time no updates on the birds mlb site either
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jun 18, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree- I'd rather see Greene start in LF
thatn Stavinoha.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 18, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im guessing T green then
cause we’d all like to see stav go, and green seems to play well so in loving TLR and knowing him like we do..T green
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jun 18, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but Tyler Greene is a middle infielder
and we need at least 4 of those on the roster at any given time per TLR’s “RMTFAVEBMESFTU” (Roster Matrix to Frustrate All Viva El Birdos Members Except Sooner Fan TU)
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jun 18, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
given that we now have at least four guys who are good 60-day candidates
mather, freese, garcia, and glaus, as well as two still unused spots on the 40 man, shouldn’t we start getting more agressive about cycling up some right handed bats from memphis? i don’t care how badly craig is hitting, i’d like to see him. i wouldn’t even mind seeing jarret hoffpauir get a pinch hit opportunity. anything! somebody is going to come up and be inspired to start hitting, yes?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So are you saying KGreene...
is not a MIFer anymore? Ryan, Skip, Thurston, KGreene sound like 4 MIF’s to me.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Jun 18, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
The only thing better than 4 MIFs in Tonys’ mind is 5 MIFs.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 18, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why have all your posts been in blockquotes today?
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jun 18, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why haven’t yours?
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by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
Exactly, says Blazer.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 18, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Touche.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jun 19, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's just me
But I feel like Ludwick has been better than his numbers indicate.
He’s got a .248 BABIP, but his LD% is down, too…
I dunno. It just seems like I’ve seen him hit the ball hard a lot and doesn’t have much to show for it.
by mojowo11 on Jun 18, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Video of Crazy Bat Trick
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 18, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
And of course there’s the predictable YouTube commenter charging “Fake!” However, after watching it a couple times I see no reason why that isn’t possible. Pretty cool trick.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 18, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I "attempted" this today at our game
and it’s ridiculously difficult.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
listen to this, and be blown away (it's a rocker)
http://downloads.pitchforkmedia.com/Polvo%20-%20Beggars%20Bowl.mp3
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
I love pitchfork, btw.
Too much going on in the background of that song for me though — hard to tell what the hook is supposed to be.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jun 18, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a band that's been broken up since the late 90s that I'm a huge fan of
this is the first thing they’ve put out in years, and I was impressed… agreed though, they left that looped part that starts out the song going the entire time, they could have let it drop out, or come back in later
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thought it would be appropriate since they are "math" rock
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh wait, they do drop it out for a few secs
love this track
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't believe they are making another album
they are guitar wizards
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and they are really good live too
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
derrek lee ground into double play
he has a knack for that
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, not this year
I think. Haven’t checked stats for a month or so.
by sdrone on Jun 18, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
you’re totally right… first one of the entire season! had like 27 last year
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A. Ramirez homers. 3-1 sox
I bet it hurts cubs fans even more that it’s a guy who looks like soriano and is named A. Ramirez
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
heh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does Colby Rasmus' bat have 13 written on it
when his number is 28?
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmmmm
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's an unlucky number
Colby just likes the challenge.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 18, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or he's in a biker gang
one of the two
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or a Latin street gang.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 18, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for good luck?
cardinals are the things with feathers that perch within the soul.
by ilrosso on Jun 18, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Using Ryan's bat
perhaps? Maybe he ran out.
by stlhulsey on Jun 18, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
serious X 2 + 1
???
Maybe he really digs the commercials?
by goodymobb on Jun 18, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ank knows Al hates the number 13
So he snuck in and wrote it all over everything Rasmus related, trying to get Al to keep bashing Colby so he can keep getting ABs
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 18, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
Colby is silently protesting Tonys 13 man pitching staff by writing it on his bat….Says Blazer.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 18, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
nice
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Idea
Chris Duncan for Delmon Young?
Good idea? Bad idea?
by salukihoops on Jun 18, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Delmon Young makes
Ankiel look like a Gold Glove Silver Slugger
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 18, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stats plz
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How bout this
He has a .564 OPS with a .373 BABIP and has already been worth -9.9 runs with his glove per UZR
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 18, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's pretty good!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
No Stats for you!
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 18, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the advantage to getting delmon would be his potential upside.
i think it’s more likely we see duncan’s upside than delmon’s.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of horrible players
What are you guys thoughts on acquiring Brian Giles who has been horrible this year. I think he could be acquired for Shane Robinson
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 18, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope he returns to form
I just have a hard time believing someone who was arguably the best RF in baseball last year to become the worst
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 18, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He would cost us nothing in prospects only money
So I wouldn’t be surprised if the FO made this move. Give TLR his veteran he wants for nothing
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 18, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then what if he continues to flame out?
any deal is a risk, and I guess you wouldn’t be risking as much, but the chances of it working out are probably slim as well. would you do this move and then add onto it with other moves?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was the FO I think it would be a decent move
I would give them more prospects than needed for them to eat salary with the deal. It would clear out some room on the 40 man for the future plus not hinder any additional moves that might needed to be moved. If the Padres didn’t eat any salary we probably couldn’t make any others moves.
So it would become too high of a risk move just for salary inflexibility reasons.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 18, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
giles is a LHB though
another LHB outfielder doesn’t really solve the problem.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 18, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True but just thought of a low risk move
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 18, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need a righty!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
Blazer doesn’t know he just thought it sounded funny.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 18, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brian Giles is human scum
and not a very good baseball player either.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he refuses to leave the west coast
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs tie it up 5-5
On 3-run homer by DLee followed by Soto solo dong.
by Andyfantastic on Jun 18, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope this isn't the game
that energizes them to go on a streak to take over 1st. Hopefully the cards’ bats get going
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by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not too worried about the Cubs
I don’t think that one game makes them a contender all of a sudden…. they lit up one relief pitcher who (God only knows) was left in to give up 4 runs… I would HATE to be a Sox fan right now
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jun 18, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you are a Pirate,
You are a contender in the NL Central. The Cubs’ offense cannot perform much worse than it has and they have been plagued by injuries. Meanwhile they have one of the best pitching staffs in the game. As much as it pains me, they are definitely contenders.
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 18, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then again
they ARE the Cubs, right? They’re bound to find a way to mess up even a good, contending roster with some goat curse or the complete and utter demon-slaying of one member of the fanbase….
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Jun 18, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there was an error, a single, 2 outs made, and then the home run to Lee (who has sucked)
so not a horrible move to keep him in. I know I shouldn’t be too worried about the Cubs, but the last couple years it just seems like they’ll have a game like this and then run off 10 wins in a row
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by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true but they beat the twins in a similar fashion last week...
and then they laid an egg yesterday
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jun 18, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they didn't score 4 runs in the 8th inning against the twins
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by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
besides...
we have gone 6-3 against them this year
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Jun 18, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Linebrink was the culprit who gave up the 2 two-out hrs
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by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the cubs win
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And now they win
On a Soriano dunker.
There isn’t a more annoying song than “Go Cubs Go”.
by Merry CRasmus on Jun 18, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know you're starved for championships
when you have to celebrate every victory by waving a flag and singing a stupid song
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by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
that song needs to go
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per the Commish
Greene activated, Kinney called up…Walters and Stavinfection sent out.
by indakind on Jun 18, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the penicillin finally worked
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by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
remind me, did walters even throw a pitch?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walters pitched Tuesday
Mopup man in the 11-2 game. Not sure he has showed me anything to stay in the big leagues over Kinney who at least has had some success. Overall, I applaud these moves. Now, if we could just get Allen Craig on the roster in place of our 13th pitcher (Hawksworth) I would be satisfied for now that they are doing the best they can with the resources they currently have in place.
by indakind on Jun 18, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so he got the full jess todd treatment.
interesting to see how kinney does. he’s been a mixed bag at memphis.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh
Kinney is back!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has problem with control in Memphis
Hopefully he improves his walk rate in STL
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 18, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad the club is ridded of its infection
Hope Greene is well.
Begone, PJ Walters!
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jun 18, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aw, i still have hopes for pj.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a Soriano specialist
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jun 18, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and isn't that worth $400,000/yr?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man I'm psyched to see what Kinney's got
How has he been doing?
And please don’t forget. Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
by sdrone on Jun 18, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the month of June
he’s pitched 6 innings, given up 6 hits and walked 7.
June has been his best month, too.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why in god's name are we calling him up?
This seems brilliant.
As does calling Albert Pujols ridiculous.
by sdrone on Jun 18, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd wager a guess that the team makes 'deals' with players
when they send them down.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
Blazer says +1
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 18, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope Josh Kinney doesn't have to throw
a single pitch while in St. Louis.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stupid cubs
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lineup per the Commish
No Albert. At least we have a lot of LH batters who can (theoretically) take advantage of Porcello’s platoon splits.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=porceri01&year=2009&t=p#plato
by indakind on Jun 18, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good
I was hoping Albert would get a day off soon, has he even had a day off yet?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think ALbert having a day off signifies that tonight's game will not be blacked out for me
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jun 18, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had one off on Monday
how many a week does he need?
God only took 1 day. Does Albert Pujols think he is better than God?
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
is that a rhetorical question?
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he wants to hit that milestone in KC
Ridiculous.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 18, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or for easy to read version
1. Skip Schumaker, 2B
2. Colby Rasmus, CF
3. Ryan Ludwick, RF
4. Chris Duncan, 1B
5. Rick Ankiel, LF
6. Yadier Molina, C
7. Joe Thurston, 3B
8. Joel Pineiro, P
9. Tyler Greene, SS
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jun 18, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda wanted Khalil Greene to start at 3B
but oh well, I suppose we shouldn’t be too anxious to see him play
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
FunkeeC is right Cards fan in Chitown. That was some cerebral humor there says Blazer.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 18, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh btw
good job w/ keeping in character all day
the real test will be can you stay true over the long term like our bovine friend…
by FunkeeC on Jun 18, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
Blazer says thanks. But, Blazers getting tired of talking like Ricky in block quotes. Blazer is looking foward to a new thread.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 18, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm sad i missed this earlier today
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 18, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have to rec these all to 5's.
Git’r’dun, fellas.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 19, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not easy enough to click on the link?
Just kidding. Didn’t feel like typing it out and for some reason I had trouble copy and pasting it.
by indakind on Jun 18, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had trouble copy and pasting too
I had to work at that far too long. Wonky PD
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jun 18, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Our lineup consists of:
4 OF
3 MIF
1 C
1 P
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?" - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Jun 18, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
it’s debatable that Duncan is an outfielder
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 18, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 through 5 are all OFers!
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 18, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a positive note (aside from Albert Pujols being ridiculous)
Thurston cannot kill Pujols tonight with some kind of wacky throw.
by sdrone on Jun 18, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert is in the dugout, right?
Still in range.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 18, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his throws haven't been great
but a lot of the time it looks like Pujols shifts his body to the back of the bag so he won’t have to reach, thus making it look like he could be plowed over, when in fact he’s got it under control.
or maybe a thruston throw will take Duncan out and give Ludwick and Rasmus an everyday position. I think Duncan is coming around though, so I hope not.
How did the pig corner the breakfast market?
by STLRegalia on Jun 18, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point
in that Albert Pujols, who shall remain ridiculous, is doing this thing this year where he catches the 3rd out and backs off the bag into foul ground before turning to walk to the dugout.
But Thurston had made some nutso throws this year. Throws that are at the runner, or 6 feet off the bag and taking Pujols into the runner, stuff like that.
by sdrone on Jun 18, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FINALLY
WE HAVE A RH PH OPTION!!!!
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 18, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tends to draw a lot of walks as a ph.
32 PA’s as a PH: .368/.500/.526
gotta love a .500 OBP, though.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All part of an evil plot
The Dewitt is cheap/we didn’t draft Porcello train gains momentum, increasing pressure on management to trade prospects to make a move. After the game, TLR laughs menacingly in his office while petting his dog, Holliday.
Just throwing a little red meat out there for everyone.
by Merry CRasmus on Jun 18, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not You but Me
But honestly nothing has gotten on my nerve more than the Porcello crap. He got a contract for $10.8M probably close to double what we are going to spend on the current draft. When a draft pick has around a 10% chance to be useful in the majors if luck it seems crazy to spend that kind of money. I would rather my team not overpay one guy but overpay guys above their slots. Than put all their eggs in one basket.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 18, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
Weren’t we one of 18 teams that passed? Most everyone had the same conclusion as the Redbirds.. Important thing is to draft well, ensure everyone gets signed and play the odds. The Strasbourg/Porcello thing is a bit of sucker bet. You might get the player but you are paying like they are already arb-eligible so you don’t even get the cheap production. I saw the stats on how many number 1s become good players, so it IS a good bet you’ll get a good player, but the hit rate isn’t high enough to take these bets.
Just win
by The Duke on Jun 18, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I think it’s a convenient weapon to use if you’re in that camp and it isn’t going away. I was being completely tongue in cheek there throughout.
by Merry CRasmus on Jun 18, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has the Dave Duncan for the Hall of Fame story had a run here?
I saw a story in the Cleveland papers on Big Dunc. Not one Coach in the HOF. Sutcliffe trying to Duncan inducted. He’s had some good pitchers but of course I guess he earns his reputation for turning people like Suppan and Woody Williams into stars.
Interesting that you can put in umpires, owners, managers, and assorted other folks who had some connection to the game but no ESPN lasses or pitching coaches into the HOF.
So is Duncan THE coach who should get in? I can’t even think of any other coaches except maybe Lasorda or Zimmer who had that kind of profile.
if you were going to put a coach in who would be on the short list? Should Duncan go in?
Just win
by The Duke on Jun 18, 2009 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Both lasorda and zimmer were also managers
and i guess it would have to be a compelling case and im not sure Duncan is that case.
by FunkeeC on Jun 18, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
Riddle me this Batman, how is the game thread from yesterday posted ahead of this thread and listed as the game thread for tonight with over 900 comments ?
Sheesh. I was looking foward to ending this played out schtick of using block quotes and bowing to the Supreme Leader of this sport called Baseball.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 18, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hopefully, it portends that we will win this one 4-3 also.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 18, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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