A Look Back at the 2004 Cardinals
With the way the this current Cardinals team has been playing the past couple of months, I thought we could all use a pick me up. So here is look back at on of the best teams in franchise history...
After a disappointing 2003 season in which the Cards finished in 3rd place with just 85 wins, the Cards traded away JD Drew to the Braves for a LOOGY and two young pitchers. While JD Drew was an oft injured and inconsistent player, he was tremendously talented and many people took the trade as a sign that the Cards weren't going to be very competitive in 2004. They had a very weak looking pitching staff, and despite a dynamic 1-2-3 punch in the middle of the lineup, PECOTA projected a 3rd place finish again and 89 wins.
Of course, the Cardinals then decided to win 105 games, while the GOB's simultaniously gave a giant middle finger to the Cubs starting rotation. Despite getting swept by the Red Sox, the 2004 Cardinals could only be described as a wildly successful team. In this post I wanted to explore what made them so good.
Starting Pitchers
It was no secret that the starting rotation was considered weakness for this club before the season started. The oppening day rotation was filled with reclamation projects and injury risks. A quick look a Marcel's projection for each of the scheduled starters would have any Cards fan wetting their pants:
Morris: 3.80 ERA
Marquis: 4.50 ERA
Williams: 3.98 ERA
Suppan: 4.65 ERA
Carpenter: 4.70 ERA
Um... wow. That looks like the freaking Nationals this year. Morris and Williams were the only ones above average, and they hardly constituted a dynamic 1-2 punch. It gets even worse when you consider the complete lack of depth elsewhere in the orginization. Top prospect Danny Haren was really the only other unlaughable option; and given his lackluster performance in the majors in limited time in 03, most people didn't think he was ready to contribute at the major league level.
Of course, games are played by players, not by their Marcels projections. The rotation stayed healthy the entire year, with those 5 starters combing to start 154 games, and had an agreggate 4.20 ERA. However, they put up a not-so-pretty 4.59 FIP, which implies that they got lucky and/or the defense was particularily good.
Here is how the starting rotation looked by WAR using FIP:
Despite pitching the fewest innings of any regular in the rotation, Carpenter was by far the most valuable. However, once you get past him, only Woody Williams was able to be above average. Despite shiny ERA's, Suppan and Marquis simply weren't very good pitchers back then.
Still, given the preseason expectations for that motely group of pitchers, it can only be considered a positive that they were able to stay healthy and reasonably productive the entire year.
Position Players
While the starting staff was clearly a weakness going into the season, people had big expectations for the everyday players. The opening day lineup, void of infielders in the oufield, was a thing of beauty:
C Matheny
1B Pujols
2B Womack
3B Rolen
SS Renteria
LF Lankford
CF Edmonds
RF Sanders
Pujols and Edmonds were each coming off back to back to back seasons in which they had at least .400 wOBA. Renteria and Rolen made for a dynamic right side of the infield, as they each were allstars and had won gold gloves in the past. Matheny at catcher wasn't great, but he could handle the pitching staff and was a good defender. The corner outfield situation, on the other hand, looked a little shaky, with two aging veterans looking to get most of the starts. Still, it was a good group of position players.
The offense couldn't have turned out much better. As a team, the Cardinals had a .344 wOBA and were 73 runs above average. On the defesnive side, the Cards had a cumulative +19.5 UZR. All together, Cardinals postion players were worth 33.8 WAR, which lead the majors. Here is the breakdown by players:
As you can see, the big three was a monster. Pujols, Edmonds and Rolen combined for just under 25 WAR, meaning if the rest of the team was filled with replacement level players, they would have won about 75 games.
The supporting cast wasn't great. Only Womack and Sanders were above league average, and the rest of the bunch was worth a combined 4 WAR.
Still, this was a great group of everyday players.
Relievers
In 2003, Cardinal relievers had a cumulative 4.98 FIP, dead last in the majors and a 4.79 ERA. They blew 30 saves and had a combined -1.89 WPA. In other words, they made last years pen look a bunch Mariano Rivera's. Before 2004, they traded for Ray King and signed Julian Tavarez and Al Reyes to short term deals. Most importantly, they hoped for an entire season of Jason Izringhausen (ahh, remember when he was good?).
So in 2004, the Cardinals pen shaved over a run and a half off of their ERA and FIP. They finished with a combined 7.54 WPA, good for 4th in the majors. Here is the breakdown by player:
Jason Isringhausen was really, really good that year. He had a 3.02 FIP, and his 3.19 WPA was the 11th best mark in the majors. Ray King and Kiko Calero were also great for this club.
Where in 2003, the bullpen essentially cost the Cards the season, in 2004 it was amazing.
MVP
Scott Rolen is my pick for that years MPV. Powered by a .421 wOBA and a 21.2 UZR, he had a rediculous 8.8 WAR season, good for 3rd in the NL (actually, 3 of the top 6 in the NL in WAR were on the Cardinals that year. JD Drew was 4th, although he obviously wasn't with the team anymore). Pujols beat him in WPA, but Rolen's season was just too good to ignore.
Cy Young
Chris Carpenter would be my pick. He finished with a 3.41 FIP and led the club in WAR despite having the fewest innings pitched of anyone in the rotation. If you want to go by WPA, then Carp is still your winner, with a 2.04 mark.
Scott Spezio Award
This is dedicated to the player who came out of nowhere and ended up being a valuble player for the club. I think in 2004, this belongs to Tony Womack. Coming off of a miserable season with the Cubs/Rockies/D-Backs in which he was worth -1.3 WAR, the Cards weren't expecting much from him. Instead, he won the opening day job in spring training and finished with a 2.8 WAR mark.
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Well I hope that this look into the past was enjoyable for you. You'll note that despite winning 105 games, the 2004 Cards started off slow. Through the first 40 games of the season they were only 3 games over .500. After that they went on a tear and ended up becoming one of the best teams in recent memory. Hopefully this years team can follow suit.
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Awesome, awesome post.
Definitely a good pick me up in the midst of our current rainstorm.
And, wowzers was that a monster year for Rolen.
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on Jun 16, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i loved that team.
it was so heart-breaking to lose to the red sox in 4 in the world series, but the regular season was a thing of beauty. MV3, baby.
as always, awesome presentation and analysis! this did wonders to cheer me up about baseball, so thank you very much.
cardinals are the things with feathers that perch within the soul.
by ilrosso on Jun 16, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MV3
i miss hearing that so much
we just need raz and um, uh, thurston? to win mvps so we can start saying it again
by prophetjohn on Jun 16, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Razzums, Wallace and Pujols
It could happen…
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 16, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that'd be awesome.
gosh i hope wallace pans out.
cardinals are the things with feathers that perch within the soul.
by ilrosso on Jun 17, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
fat chance unless pujols has a really bad year or gets injured
i just don’t see any other cardinal winning mvp while albert is on the active roster. unless wallace or raz outlive even our expectations
by prophetjohn on Jun 17, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well to be fair
Rolen and Edmonds didn’t win any MVPs either. It’s not necessarily for the other players to win MVPs to be comparable, just to be worthy of getting MVP votes is plenty sufficient, which Rolen and Edmonds did do that year if I remember correctly.
by mtalken on Jun 17, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They both had better years in 04 than Pujols did
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 17, 2009 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved that team, too
I remember telling a friend of mine that we’ve got five kings, but no ace, and it’ll up and catch us in the postseason.
Carp went on to teach me a few things about pitching the next two years.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Jun 24, 2009 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I rec'd this because it said 2004 Cardinals
The best Cardinals team I’ve ever seen, at least on a subjective level. Well, and objectively they were unbelievable too. Basically just awesome-ness incarnate.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 17, 2009 12:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh...
…you bring up Izzy. Sadly but not surprisingly he is done for the season again. I really feel bad for the guy. The man’s heart and guts are still there, but his body isn’t. He needs to just hang it up.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 17, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that's probably it for him now.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 17, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably so
but he isn’t going to go down without a fight
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jun 17, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2004
I don’t think I’m alone when I say that that was the greatest summer of baseball of my then young life. The three home run game by Albert against the Cubs at Wrigley still resonates in my mind.
by CoolCat23 on Jun 17, 2009 1:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately
that was the year after i graduated high school and drugs, booze and tits all took major precedence over the st louis cardinals. i only saw the post season and the odd regular season game
in fact, i missed most of the glory years due to the aforementioned MV3 of my teenage years. my uber interest waned about the time pujols was in his second year or so,
but i was unstoppable before that. i remember watching ozzie, mac getting traded to the cards, ripken’s 3000th hit. i don’t know which of those is earliest, but those are among my earliest baseball memories
i am on a tangent of epic proportions now
by prophetjohn on Jun 17, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
what
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 17, 2009 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Larry Walker.
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by azruavatar on Jun 17, 2009 8:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I distinctly remember giggling...
…when this trade was announced. The Cardinals were already more than 10 games ahead of the rest of the division at the time, and THEN we got Larry Walker. One of the best hitters in the game and a former MVP was SECOND in our lineup. Those were the days…
Take it easy while it is easy.
by blitzkrieger83 on Jun 17, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a big ole middle finger at the NL Central
That was basically Walt Jocketty saying “We’re already better than you, but now WE’LL CRUSH YOUR F’ING SOULS!!!”
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 17, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly!
I remember that day well seeing it on the news and thinking we had just went from outstanding to juggernaut status.
by paposse on Jun 18, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think those seasons are why I am so disappointed in the standing pat now
I just want a little push now, is that too much to ask?
On a related noted, how much can the team look forward to making by hosting the ASG? It has to be some sort of a big deal, no?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jun 18, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think the big money-making would be had on the periphery of the game.
not in the tickets at the gate, but the merchandising, the food, things you might sell outside the stadium in a collection of shops.
a “ball park village” if you will.
too bad we don’t have anything like that.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Jun 19, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we went and built something like that
where would people write “CUBS SUCK” in giant letters in the snow?
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on Jun 19, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The amazing thing was...
that people on here get lambasted for suggesting something like "How about Javier Brito, Casey Rowlett, and Nick Stavinoha for Matt Holliday – and yet, those are the types of trades that Jocketty made. It was ridiculous.
by stlfan on Jun 20, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quote of the season.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jun 21, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a team it was
Those were the good ol’ days, and just about every player on that team had their career year in 04, especially the MV3. The only bad thing about that year was getting swept by Boston in the Series and losing Game 4 in STL.
Welcome to Baseball Heaven.
by zoomzoomj88 on Jun 17, 2009 9:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and Toolbag Jimmy Fallon
Running on the field after the sweep to kiss drew barrymore for that HORRIBLE movie. F’ YOU FALLON…YOUR SHOW IS ATROCIOUS!!!!
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jun 21, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hadn’t thought of this when I read this last night, but that thrashing in the WS led to a great deal of discussion on talk radio and from the FO that the BOB did not have a true ace pitcher and that played a big role in why that series was lost. This was ostensibly the reason for The Trade. Damn you, 2004 WS…you were disappointing to no end and you caused a horrible, horrible thing to happen!!!
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 17, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All that talk may not have happened
had Carpenter been healthy and shown what kind of ace he was in the playoffs.
On another note, a while ago I was looking through the WAR database trying to find a group of 3 teammates who put up a higher aggregate WAR than our MV3. I didn’t have a very good system, just “oh, soandso had a good year in 19xx, lets see what he and his 2 best teammates did!” I couldn’t find anything. Anyone have any idea where our guy’s near 25 ranks?
by TICY on Jun 17, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i least we didn't.........
get swept by a bunch of self proclaimed idiots……ohh wait dammit…..still think shots before a game is a preformence enhancing drug and they should of been stripped of the title.
by Go_Blues on Jun 17, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Vivaelpujols
If you get time, please do one of these for the 2005 and 2006 cards teams
by salukihoops on Jun 17, 2009 6:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sure
Any requests/changes/improvements?
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 17, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a look at the competition
If you can fit it in. I say this b/c I had taken a look at our 2004 Cardinals WAR as well, and then I compared it to the BoSox. On paper, we crushed them on WAR.
Might be cool to see how much better (assuming) we were than the Astros or the Sox in terms of WAR, and then how much worse we were in 2006 than the Tigers or the Mets.
But only if this doesn’t take away from the Cardinals aspect you’ve so wonderfully put together. This was great, VEP!
I know whom to call for a hole in my roof or a whole new roof.
by lightbulb on Jun 18, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll have a post up in a couple of days
It will also include a nice long rant in the beginning about how stupid the Mulder trade was.
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 20, 2009 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will pre-flag any posts about that trade
I do not want to be reminded of it again.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jun 21, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite team!
Thanks for this post. What a great team. Too bad about the post season. I am looking forward to the computer simulation on FSN where this team faces all the other great Cards teams.
by spfldbird on Jun 18, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The biggest thing...
about being swept in 2004, is that the Red Sox were the hottest team in baseball going into the World Series that had “destiny” written all over it after their series with the Yankees. That team was so hot at that point in time I honestly believe no one would have beaten them. Beating your biggest rival after trailing 3-0 in a series? Their confidence was through the roof and without having to face an ace on the opposing staff, who wouldn’t believe it was theirs for the taking?
by Jumsy on Jun 22, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
99% of the time, momentum doesn’t mean shit, but in that instance it definitely had an affect.
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 22, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2001 was still the most formidable all-around team this decade
The team could definitely hit, and it was fun to watch their version of Murderers’ Row come to bat at the end of the game while trailing and pull out a win. This was the last team that had legitimate offensive threats at both second and short and it showed.
Living in Boston, I knew how much better the Red Sox and Yankees were than St Louis, even though the Cards put together a fine regular season. The Cardinals offense could compete with an AL team in the playoffs, but their pitching after Carpenter went down, could not. This year’s Cardinals team has better “playoff” starting pitching than the 2004 team by a fair margin.
It was the proverbial “regular season team”.
Beating the 2004 Astros was a remarkable achievement. The Astros could hit (and had the seemingly unstoppable Beltran), and had 3 top-tier (although two were steroid-riddled) starters. Let it be known that no Red Sox or Yankee fan, knowing the value of (starting) pitching, was looking forward to facing Houston, while St Louis with the likes of Woody Williams and Jeff Suppan (a complete joke in Boston) was the equivalent of facing the Royals. The 2004 NLCS was not only a great series, but a great upset, and has been overshadowed by the 3-0 comeback in the ALCS between the biggest rivals.
There was no chance against the Red Sox in the WS. There was no stopping the historical “rolling thunder” momentum the Red Sox had. The Baseball Gods had seemingly chosen the Red Sox to finally win, and that was that.
I like to think that in exchange for rolling over to the Sox, the Baseball Gods awarded the 2006 Cards, a team that really didn’t deserve to make the playoffs (how many times did they lose by 10+ runs?), with the title.
by olddomination on Jun 22, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ummm ...
No mention of the Larry Walker acquisition in this post?
by hangingfromatree on Jun 22, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I forgot sorry
This was more of a summary then a story. When I do one for 05 and 06, I’ll include more of a storyline.
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 22, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
eagerly awaiting the next ones,
VEP. this was really well done. thanks again.
cardinals are the things with feathers that perch within the soul.
by ilrosso on Jun 22, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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