Taboo
Of course, when you look at the team’s OBP, it’s no wonder that there’s never anybody on base when Albert steps to the plate. The team’s 2nd highest OBP is Joe Thurston’s .347 – 93 points less than Albert’s. Our "leadoff hitter" – Skip Schumaker – has a feckless .329 OBP. Rick Ankiel’s hitting 2nd right now and his OBP is also .329 – and that’s during a "hot" streak. His career OBP is .326 so it’s not like this year’s low OBP is an aberration.
The Book and many other studies have demonstrated time and again that the #3 spot in the order is not the ideal location for the team’s best hitter. In fact, any one of the other spots from 1-5 is probably a better spot for Pujols than the 3 hole is. The problem w/ hitting in the 3 hole is that the 3rd hitter comes to the plate too frequently w/ no one on and 2 out. When the team’s 1st 2 hitters each have .329 OBPs it’s probably an even greater problem. By refusing to consider moving Albert to another spot in the order, Tony is failing to get as much out of Albert as he could.
By moving Albert to the 2 hole, Albert would have more PAs throughout the course of the year. Clearly, there’s an advantage to that, particularly since he’s the only one on the team w/ even a decent OBP right now. The argument against it is that he would have less of a chance of coming to the plate w/ runners on base, particularly in the first inning. Again though, when your top 2 hitters reach base fewer than 1 out of every 3 times they step to the plate, it’s not like Albert is seeing a lot of pitches w/ runners on base in the first inning anyway. At least you could take advantage of the increased number of PAs he and his 1.105 OPS would get. Hell, even putting his .440 OBP in the leadoff position is better than leaving him to bat 3rd w/ no one on and 2 out. Albert has a 1.300 OPS and has scored 11 runs in 44 PAs leading off an inning so far this year. Admittedly, it’s a horrendously small sample but it does indicate the value in having someone w/ Albert’s OBP ability leading off an inning. If Tony wants to do damage in the first inning, let Albert lead off.
The cleanup spot would also be a better spot for Albert than the number 3 hole. The 3 hole does see more PAs over the course of the season but the advantage to the 4 hole is that he comes to the plate more frequently w/ runners on base, thus allowing the team to take advantage of Albert’s ability to hit for extra bases. And when the team goes 1-2-3 in the first, you’d get to take advantage of Albert’s ability to reach base by having him leadoff the 2nd. Three times in Albert’s career he’s had more PAs w/ runners on base than w/ no one on base. Two of those were in 2001 and 2002 when he most frequently batted 4th in the Cards’ lineup. Now, this year’s lineup is very different as there’s no Edmonds or Rolen in their primes but that’s a distinct advantage to hitting in the 4 hole.
I realize that baseball tradition dictates that the team’s best hitter bat in the 3rd spot. You have some good hitters (hopefully) at the top of the order so the chances are pretty good that the #3 hitter gets to bat w/ at least 1 runner on base. You also guarantee him a PA in the first inning when pitchers are often at their most vulnerable. This is Tony’s rationale for having Albert bat 3rd as opposed to 4th.
I’m not going to make the argument that moving Albert up or down 1 spot in the order’s going to automatically turn this team from a team that can’t score into one that scores early and often but if we’re going to sit Ludwick against righties (and play Duncan) to take maximum advantage of platoon splits, we may as well consider – just consider – moving Albert to either the #2 or #4 spot in the order. It’s as if that sort of conversation is taboo and it shouldn’t be. We could try new players in the leadoff and #2 spots but no one else on the team is getting on base much more often than Skip or Rick. Tony moved Rasmus to the cleanup spot to take advantage of his SLG% -- 2nd highest on the team. So why not consider moving Albert to the 2 hole to take advantage of his OBP?
I think it’s also worth exploring moving Thurston to the leadoff spot against righties. His BA is pretty low right now (.247) but he has the 2nd most walks on the team. He also has 2 more extra base hits – in 48 fewer PAs – than Skippy. How about something like this:
- Thurston – 3B
- Pujols – 1B
- Ankiel – RF
- Rasmus – CF
- Ludwick – LF
- Skip – 2B
- Molina – C
- Pitcher
- Ryan – SS
Day game today on Fox, I believe. Game thread goes up around 2:45.
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i was just thinking on this...
the talk of a bat is usually landed around pop, but what abotu a high AVG guy? Omar Visquel from texas..older but could be a good rental and is batting 345…not sure his OBP..and i dont look at the other stats just thinking situation hits, avg someone to get on…
yet when talking about bats they always mentione some pop..i think a guy not nesc. Viz but a guy who is high OBP, decent avg, could help the team..not sure thats derosa either..
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jun 13, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Vizquel? Not likely.
Texas is in the hunt, for the first time in a loooong time. Why would they want to trade one of their main guys?
by StanTheManFan on Jun 13, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah more of a example than reality
id forgotten they were actually good…im justy saying somethign around that example
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
by punchinjudy on Jun 13, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT... maybe
I glanced over at BCB and choked: “”http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/6/13/908082/13-pitchers-lou-piniella-really" >13 Pitchers? Lou Piniella Really HAS Lost It"
I confess I haven’t checked if it’s identical to what’s happening here, but… [ducks az]
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 13, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
link fail.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 13, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bit of validation.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 13, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
the cubs offense sucks. it’s reasonable to conclude they could use another bat on the team.
regardless, what Lou does w/ the cubs is not capable of validating the same decision by another manager w/ a different team. it’s not that simple
by kalmavet on Jun 13, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, was linking for the irony
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 13, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha i thought you probably were
i was responding to the idea that the Lou’s decision validates Tony’s
by kalmavet on Jun 13, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh.....
They added another arm, not another bat.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 13, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point above isn't clear
To clarify:
“the cubs offense sucks. it’s reasonable to conclude they could use another bat on the team.” BUT Lou added a pitcher, which is what upset BCB, understandably so.
by kalmavet on Jun 13, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair...
BCB gets upset by everything.
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 13, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey are you writing over at driveline?
I honestly never understand the point of driveline, no offense. Like really I don’t know what you guys write about. Is it similar to BTB? Or do you guys just do mechanics?
I see TucsonRoyal is a main poster over there now who is fucking awesome.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 13, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kyle Boddy,
the site owner, does the mechanics aspect of it. But devil_fingers has been writing a lot interesting Sabermetricky articles for a while. Kyle wanted more stuff like that and he was interested in PITCHf/x work. So he hired me for some reason :) I guess he wanted to branch out to a more BtB type site.
TucsonRoyal is excellent, and he will mainly be paring PITFHf/x work with Kyle’s mechanics analysis.
St. Louis relievers... defying win expectancy since 2008
http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/
by vivaelpujols on Jun 13, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bit of validation that LaRussa is wrong?
You are finally coming around.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 13, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Huh?
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 13, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly OT from your OT
but, speaking of the Cubs, I just realized today is Milton Bradley’s 46th game played with the Cubs meaning he only has to play in 29 more games this season to activate the 3rd year on that contract (he has to play in 75 games this season). I’m almost too excited just thinking about that relationship in 2011.
I have a very, umm...photographic brain. A lot like Ansel Adams but in color and with a lot more, uh.....insertion and pubic hair.
by Tackle Box on Jun 13, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Game 5 of the 2005 NLCS is on MLB right now...
and now back to the post. I like it. As long as Pujols is okay with it.
by Evilfrog on Jun 13, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.....
Just made my GF watch Albert’s blast.
She didn’t “get it.” :(
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 13, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha keep trying
i’ve managed to get my fiance to be interested in teh Cards. She actually asks me how they did pretty much every night
by kalmavet on Jun 13, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My wife (then girlfriend)
was throwing chairs and random shit around with me and my buddies in the beer garden after our v-ball game when he hit that. Good times.
"I usually don’t read other peoples sigs." -Cuttah
by Alxfritz on Jun 13, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My husband
(then boyfriend) was sleeping in the other room and woke up to me screaming.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 13, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can relate
My GF thinks baseball is boring. I used to take her to games in hopes it would catch on, but it hasn’t. She got into the playoff games in 06’, but the regular season can’t hold her attention long. Now I just go to games with friends.
On the other hand, she loves pro hockey. So that is very cool.
by Merry CRasmus on Jun 13, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see how Baseball could be boring to the casual fan
If you just don’t understand all the little details of the game. The little details are what makes the game great.
P.S
Pro Hockey is my favorite sport to see live though. It is a fast moving sport with something constantly happening.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 13, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the thing with baseball
is that it takes an effort to get into it at first. once you have some sense of baseball history it becomes less boring, especially if you know what’s going on and follow the nuances in the game
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 13, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will never forget that homerun
Because the emotion I felt before and after the HR. I just remember feeling so low curled up in a ball not wanting to watch cause our hope was fading. To the feeling afterward
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 13, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my neighbors almost called the cops when he hit that HR
because they thought someone was killing someone in our house. apparently i went bat crap crazy & made some loud noises.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 13, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep him 3rd.
For alot of reasons.
If we don’t like what is being done in front of him, change those guys.
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable." - Manager Bobby Bragan
by SoonerfanTU on Jun 13, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
can I get a little elaboration
I don’t mean to criticize to harshly but this is a pretty empty post (not that I don’t contribute my fair share) and I want to get the reasons behind this opinion so that I can better understand it.
by TheBirds on Jun 13, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What reasons?
Elaborate please.
Based on insane amounts of research, The Book makes a fairly convincing case that hitting your best hitter third is sort of a waste. Now, please identify the carefully thought out reasons why you disagree with this, and use some form of evidence other than “That’s what others do” or “TLR has a reason.” Those don’t hold any water with any smart person, and since I believe you to be intelligent, they shouldn’t work for you either.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 13, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention the fact
that changing 1 .329 OBP guy for another one doesn’t improve the offense at all. It doesn’t take a math whiz to figure that out.
by chuckb on Jun 13, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
the change would have to come from someone not on the roster. I have been on the DeRosa bandwagon and think that his .349 OBP would be much better there. Though if we can get a 2nd or another 3rd baseman who feels that bill better that would be Okay with me.
From inside the roster you can put Rasmus there if he starts walking again.But you lose are cleanup hitter. Unless Studwick replaces StillHurtWick.
by Evilfrog on Jun 13, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thurston's OBP
is .347. That improvement buys us .002 points of OBP. We need much more than DeRosa.
by chuckb on Jun 13, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for Albert hitting 2nd
it gives you 2 chances to get the hit you need to score him, better odds.
by kalmavet on Jun 13, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A pretty good point
I like the look of this lineup and would have no problems if the implemented it. Unfortunately there are a lot of unexplained conventions in baseball. Putting Albert in the 3 hole does increase the amount of appearances where he just gets pitched around with 2 outs. Even if he gets on there is only one chance to score him.
I think finding a guy to protect Albert (if you don’t believe Ludwick is that guy) is not nearly as important if you aren’t relying on one guy so much to drive him in.
Albert in the 2 hole, I like it.
by TheBirds on Jun 13, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
With protecting albert perception is reality. But that is difficult to quantify. One manager/pitcher may respect the guy after Albert, the next may not. Then there’s always the point that protecting Albert is impossible in the sense that he’ll always be better than whoever we place after him. So, i like the idea of having him 2nd w/ the 3-4 hitters getting two chances to score him. This maximizes his doubles power and his propensity for stolen bases lately haha. But as the chuck’s title admits, the notion it Taboo :(
by kalmavet on Jun 13, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give TLR credit, he at least toys with lineup orders a little more than most managers
but there is little chance he would tinker with Albert.
Of course he also invented the closer role, which has grown into one of my least thing in baseball accepted by everyone.
by TheBirds on Jun 13, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that sums up my feelings on him too
in a general sense. For everything he does well, there’s something I don’t like
by kalmavet on Jun 13, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bat him leadoff
If LaRussa is going to play AAAA OF’ers and family members, might as well let the most talented player get the most at-bats.
Skip isn’t getting on base, no matter what Mark McGwire teaches him. No sense in letting him bat in front of Albert any longer.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 13, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He does lead the team in SB, too...
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by Alxfritz on Jun 13, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you do need speed in the leadoff spot!
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jun 13, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skip is killing me
He’s a poor fielder wherever you put him, and sure, he punches singles about, but he’s not a leadoff hitter, and I’m not convinced he’s a good enough hitter to be a starter at any position.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 13, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert's point of view & MLB use of the Book
Albert probably has more influence on this decision than any other player. I wouldn’t be surprised if Tony and Albert have talked about lineup placement. It that is the case, Albert would have to be on board for any movement to occur. I don’t recall reading any comments from Albert to the contrary of his batting third. I do seem to remember reading some comments from Albert that he expects to be in the lineup everyday and in the third slot, but too lazy to look for links.
OTOH, if Albert was supportive of a change in slots, I would think that TLR would at least experiment with it. Maybe Joe Strauss or Al could suggest the change. Maybe they’d even refer to the Book.
Regarding the Book, does any team follow the suggestions regarding the # 2 slot? A quick search of baseball-reference found Utley is in the 2 slot about 25% of the time. Most NL teams 2009 #2 hitter was 3 or 4 in OBP with Houston as the only team with the # 2 slot in the top two.. Paste the link below and change the three letter team to search yourself.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&team=STL&year=2009#lineu
by ubeddie on Jun 13, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I vote for batting Albert 2nd when pitchers bat 8th
and bat him cleanup normally. he hits the most home runs on the team, why not have him be the cleanup guy
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 13, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
something like this:
Against Righties:
Skip
Ryan
Rasmus
Albert
Ludwick
Ankiel
Thrusty
Molina
Pitcher
by Evilfrog on Jun 13, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks good!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 13, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Today's Lineup per stltoday.com - Tony didn't read this
Schumaker, 2B
Ankiel, LF
Pujols, 1B
Rasmus, CF
Ludwick, RF
Duncan, DH
Molina, C
Thurston, 3B
Ryan, SS
by ubeddie on Jun 13, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This team has too many flaws imo
from 3rd base to the corner outfield positions. Skips defense is abhorrable and he isn’t hitting. Molina’s offense is down. The bullpen is bipolar.
My new rule is that any time I see Rasmus starting in CF, I’m not going to bitch about the lineup.
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by azruavatar on Jun 13, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Rasmus helps. I like him hitting 4th as well. He is one cool customer.
Also I would like to see
(3) Rasmus
(4) Pujols
(5) Ludwick
That would be my ideal middle of the order 3,4,5.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 13, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that 3,4,5 is perfect
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 13, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will probably never see it though,
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 13, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems like an ideal 1,2,3 to me.
by notmorganfreeman on Jun 13, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Same here.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Jun 13, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your new rule
should save you from CPU meltdown. ;)
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 13, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony didn't read The Book either
and was instrumental in driving MGL from the organization. It’s a pity. Tony strikes me, in many ways, as being a very open minded man. It’s a shame that his hard-headedness about some things forced a pretty bright mind out of the organization. We could use more guys like MGL as part of our front office.
by chuckb on Jun 13, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did you hear that about Tony?
I had no idea he even knew MGL existed.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 13, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last thing I would describe Tony as is "open minded"
It always seems to pretty much be do things his way or get the heck out of here.
by DiscoJer on Jun 13, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tony has tried many things
that other mangers haven’t
His use of the bullpen when he started was unherad of; batting the pitcher 8th; changing the lineup daily. All these are explains of him being open minded. (right or wrong.)
As far as his way or the highway, That is a trait that all managers have. It is their job on the line when the team doesn’t preform.
by Evilfrog on Jun 13, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sometime the most openminded people
are the last ones who accept anything new or different
and who is MGL?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 13, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mitchel Lichtman
Or “the guy who invented UZR”. He and Tom Tango have a site going called “Inside the Book” that is a very good place to learn about sabermetrics.
St. Louis relievers... defying win expectancy since 2008
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 13, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks, i've heard of that, but never checked it out
i’ll rectify that tonight
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on Jun 14, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Interesting note from the WSJ
regarding Fox’s monopoly on saturday baseball. Apparently, forcing the entire country to watch Mets vs yankees instead of the home team, or the teams they want to watch/paid for with extra innings, isn’t giving them the ratings they had hoped for. More’s the pity.
Baseball Mired in a Mysterious Ratings Slump
Seven months after recording the lowest-rated World Series in history, Major League Baseball’s national broadcast business is still waiting for a recovery.
…
Plans include showing baseball movies on Sunday afternoons on Fox’s sister channel FX, and promotional ads with broadcasters Joe Buck and Tim McCarver. Fox says it is less concerned with the shrinking Saturday audience, since the regular season games represent about 10% of the value of the $255 million annual rights fee the network pays.
now, the thing that really stands out here is that Fox apparently only paid something like $26M for the rights to saturday baseball. I think that’s fabulous; all this time I’ve assumed that MLB decided to screw the fans over a couple of hundred million, or a billion, or something. but, no, they screwed us over pocket change.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on Jun 13, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah that Fox Saturday rule is bullshit. That only works for ESPN Sunday night Baseball when only one game is available.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on Jun 13, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mlb did screw us over for a couple hundred million...
fox just doesn’t happen to derive much value from the saturday games. two different things, there. still total bullshit, though.
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
by themanthemyth on Jun 13, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is what i would do
1. Pujols, 1B
2. Rasmus, CF
3. Molina, C
4. Ankiel, LF
5. Ludwick, RF
6. Duncan, DH/P
7. Thurston, 3B
8. Schumaker, 2B
9. Ryan, SS
by Go_Blues on Jun 14, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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