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Cardinals Individual UZR, overall WAR, and positional value optimization

We have two months of data for 2009 UZR on Fangraphs.  By analyzing the Cardinals' defensive team audit page, we can see who's been giving the team some love with the glove, who's been sub-par, and what we can expect going forward.  I hope that by looking at the fielding data and overall WAR, I can reinforce a consensus opinion about the team's optimal utilization of resources.  I'm only looking at the data from players from this year.  More after the jump. 

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r

Name 

Pos

G

Inn.

UZR

UZR/150

Car. Innings

Car. UZR/150

BRAA

ZiPS ROS BRAA/(600 PA)

Rick Ankiel

LF

2

14.0

0.8

63.0

161.0

-32.7

-0.2

7.8

Rick Ankiel

CF

26

215.2

-0.1

3.5

1119.0

-6.5

 

 

Rick Ankiel

RF

7

49.0

-0.1

11.9

248.2

14.8

 

 

Albert Pujols

1B

59

522.0

-1.7

-3.8

7804.0

6.4

23.8

61

Ryan Ludwick

LF

 

 

 

 

686.2

7.4

-1.0

18.2

Ryan Ludwick

CF

 

 

 

 

269.2

5.1

 

 

Ryan Ludwick

RF

39

315.1

2.0

-2.6

1899

8.3

 

 

Khalil Greene

SS

29

238.1

-5.9

-26.3

5939.2

-3.9

-6.4

-7.8

Chris Duncan

1B

2

9.0

0.4

53.4

246.1

-0.5

-1.0

4.8

Chris Duncan

LF

51

396.1

-1.0

-4.6

1792.0

-7.9

 

 

Skip Schumaker

CF

2

10.0

1.1

52.9

664.1

-10.3

-1.8

-2.2

Skip Schumaker

RF

8

21.1

-0.1

-3.5

423.1

-8.7

 

 

Skip Schumaker

LF

22

45.2

-3.1

-68.9

592.0

3.1

 

 

Skip Schumaker

2B

48

349.0

-8.6

-26.3

349.0

-26.3

 

 

Nick Stavinoha

RF

9

60.1

0.0

-0.9

80.1

5.0

-1.9

-14.6

Nick Stavinoha

LF

6

27.0

-0.6

-87.1

80.0

0.1

 

 

Shane Robinson

CF

2

2.2

-0.2

3.0

-

-

-2.1

-29.2

Shane Robinson

RF

6

41.1

-1.0

-35.1

-

-

 

 

Shane Robinson

LF

1

2.0

 

 

-

-

 

 

Brian Barden

3B

44

203.2

2.2

13.5

232.2

13.9

-2.3

-14.6

Brian Barden

SS

4

27.0

-0.2

-5.7

-

-

 

 

Brian Barden

2B

1

7.0

-0.4

0.0

-

-

 

 

Tyler Greene

SS

12

92.2

1.4

19.8

-

-

1.8

-20.8

Tyler Greene

3B

6

32.0

-0.9

-128.3

-

-

 

 

Tyler Greene

2B

4

6.1

-0.9

-145.7

-

-

 

 

Brendan Ryan

SS

23

176.0

5.9

42.5

595.0

21.9

1.4

-16.8

Brendan Ryan

2B

15

84.2

1.7

24.5

358.2

1.9

 

 

Brendan Ryan

3B

 

 

 

 

169.1

-4.1

 

 

Joe Thurston

2B

29

87.0

2.2

30.3

133.2

13.0

0.0

-5.8

Joe Thurston

3B

38

268.0

-3.3

-12.4

268.0

-12.4

 

 

David Freese

3B

5

30.1

0.4

12.0

-

-

 

-2

Colby Rasmus

CF

40

305.2

10.3

38.2

-

-

2.6

0

Colby Rasmus

RF

6

46.2

1.3

83.3

-

-

 

 

Colby Rasmus

LF

7

40.0

0.1

-10.6

-

-

 

 

 

Here are a few assumptions behind this chart:

1)  I am including each player's 2009 UZR fielding data and their career data for each position.  Any player who only has 2009 data has a dash in their career columns.  This should help overcome some sample-size issues, but by doing so I also introduce into the sample any improvement or deterioration of defensive skills.

2)  I am using the ZiPS Rest of Season projections to predict a players wOBA from here on out.  I am then converting that wOBA to to BRAA (batting runs above average) over 600 PAs by using the formula (wOBA-.330)xPAs/1.15.

3)  I didn't try to monetize value or introduce any positional adjustment because I'm solely concerned with the current roster and absolute performance...not any sort of replacement, trade or free-agent win computing exercize.

4) I also didn't include any minor league fielding data, primarily because I didn't know where to look and I wanted to stick with UZR, which I am most familiar with.  Be cautious of the small samples generated for some of the players.

5)  Mather and Glaus probably deserve to be on there, but I got lazy and I'm only looking at folks who have played this year.  

Positional Analysis

C:  Catching is a difficult position to capture through any metric, so I didn't even bother putting it on there.  Yadi's defensive prowess is almost universally praised. 

1B:  Albert

2B:  The first position where there is controversy.  Schumaker: has gotten the bulk of playing time at 2B, but has cost the team 8.6 runs below an average second baseman according to UZR.  According to the data on fangraphs, his biggest liability has been a lack of range (-9.5 range runs) and his average sure-handedness doesn't make up for it.  Among qualified second basemen, Skip is the worst second baseman in baseball, 1.6 runs behind Dan Uggla. His bat is pretty much league average, and this year he's hitting RHP only slightly better than LHP (which is a commendable improvement for the Schu Man) but still.  His reputation for defense saves in LF hasn't born fruit, either, since he's -3.1 runs this year and merely a career 3.1 runs average in the Dunn Siberia.  Barring any sort of breakthrough in his defense, It might be time to stick a fork in this turkey of an experiment. 

Thurston:  Over 88 innings at 2B this year, Joe has contributed above-average defense and his career fielding data is in the +13 runs/150 games range.  His offensive skills are ok according to wOBA and is only a few runs below average from here on out...should be about a league average-ish second baseman from here on out based on his ZiPS ROS wOBA and positive defense at 2B.  He's always deserved a starting role, but has been blocked by elite 2B talent at LAN PHI and BOS

Ryan:  Another good 2B, although not as good as Thurston.  His career UZR/150 at 2B is only 1.9 RAA. He's been above average with the bat this year and is stinging the ball at a 23.7% LD rate, but that and his .376 BABIP should regress.  ZiPS ROS is skeptical of his success this year.

T. Greene:  Too early to say anything about his second base skills, but he's a SS.  ZiPS is also skeptical of his success thus far.  More later.

Barden:  Not enough data, but he's likely a better 3B.  

3B:  Again, there are many suitors for this position on the Cardinals.  I'll start with Barden who has been playing a very good defensive 3B so far this year.  Over his major league career he's like 13 runs above average at the hot corner.  ZiPS hates his bat for the rest of the season, though.  Despite his whopping 3HRs this year, he's kind of like Cesar Izturis of the 3B. 

Ryan:  He hasn't played any 3B this year, but he's been -4.1 runs/150 games below average for his career.

Thurston:  UZR really doesn't like Joe at 3B.  -3.3 UZR runs this year.  Pales in comparison to his 2B defense.

T. Greene:  Too early to draw any conclusions about his D at 3B.

Freese:  He's injured now (woe is the Future Redbirds reader), but Freese posted good numbers defensively.  Furthermore, I remember reading somewhere that his minor league defense was in the vecinity of like +13 runs defensively.  ZiPS also loves his offense, projecting him to be only 1 run below average for the rest of the year.  If he hit like ZiPS called for him to over an entire season, he might be worth 2-3 wins.  Nice asset. 

SS:  Controversy continues here. 

Ryan:  UZR loves Brendan Ryan at SS.  Based on the data, he's 21 defensive runs above an average SS over 150 games.  He's also been an above average offensive player this year, primarily based on his %23 LD rate and high BABIP.  He does have a Expect that to regress, somewhat, but even if he hits 8 runs below average from here on out (like ZiPS calls for) he's still a great talent. 

T. Greene:  Tyler "First Round Pick" Greene has also been very good with the glove and has displayed some nice power and increased plate discipline this year in very limited playing time.  ZiPS is skeptical of his performance from here on out, but I think his offensive performance might be legit due to his career .180 ISO. Lets hope he keeps getting fastballs.

K. Greene:  I hate to suggest this, but it might be time to cut ties with K. Greene.  His has not performed defensively or offensively this year and I'm not excited about his defensive rebound potential.  Indeed, his career UZR is -3.9/150 games.  ZiPS thinks he'll cost the Cardinals ~4 more runs below average from here on out, only about 4 more than Ryan, but that's assuming that he gets back into playing shape.  I like Khalil, but still...  I'll take the vacuuming Ryan and his LD-enhanced BABIP than K. Greene at this point.

This get a little bit more clear in the OF and I'm getting a little verbose:

LFRyan Ludwick:  Ludwick has performed admirably in LF throughout his entire career even though his defense is a run or two better throughout the whole year in RF (and isn't bad in CF for his career).  ZiPS likes his bat going forward.  He makes the most sense in Left given our other options.  

Ankiel:  Ankiel gets better defensively as the numbers increase from LF-RF.  He's actually not a bad CF, but he doesn't have a huge sample size in LF to base performance off of.  I also like his man-cannon arm out in the right side of the outfield.  ZiPS likes his bat despite the slow start this year.

Duncan.  Meh.  His defense is below average, but not terrible, and his offense only projects to be ~5 runs above average for the whole year.  I'm not sure what a replacement level LF is this year, but Duncan is probably only 1 or 1.5 wins above that. 

Schuman:  Probably a little bit more valuable in LF than Duncan, but he's kind of a 4th OF, imo. 

Shane & Stav:  Kind of fun to look at, but I am sick and tired of having Aaron Miles in the OF.   At this point they're both replacement.  I'm not sure about Shane's ceiling, however.

Colby:  Colby has a great glove, but rules CF. 

CF:  Like I said before...Colby.  He's been worth one win with his glove, alone, and should provide league average-ish offense from here on out.  All hail Colby.   Ank actually isn't that bad CF.

RF:  While Ludwick is probably the better RF and Ankiel only has 250 innings to support this: I like Ankiel in RF.  Career UZR numbers are best there, and his bat is more RF than LF. 

Not really surprising, but here's what I've supposed to be the optimal line-up factoring defense and offense:

2B:  Thurston--the best defensive 2B and has close to league-average bat.  Ryan next.

SS:  Ryan--Crazy UZR/150 numbers combined with a career high LD% make him a valuable asset this year.  He did hit 4HRs in 2007.  T Greene is close, but his offensive success is more of a question mark due to high K%...does posses a nice career ISO mark.

3B: Murkier, due to organizational injury and depth, but I'll give you a WAR order:  Glaus>Freese>Barden>T Greene  One caveat is whether or not Greene becomes a plus defender at 3B.  If T Greene be a +7 run defender at 3B and wOBA near league average, then I'd take him over Barden.

LF:  Ludwick, due to Ankiel's prowess in RF.  Ludwick is still a plus defender in LF, although his bat is relatively weaker due to the Manny-factor.

CF:  Rasmus.  ZOMG

RF: Ankiel: better than Juan Encarnacion. It also might be worth it to see Mather thrown in there on a semi-regular basis.

Schu:  4th outfielder, no business at 2B.

Duncan: DH

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good work!

well thought out fanpost. there isn’t, as you said, much surprising here, but it is nice to have the statistics thoughtfully compiled and presented. thanks!

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by ilrosso on Jun 11, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you think that anyone would be upset

If we had Duncan DH this year? It would be nice if someone would tell Tony to go ahead had user the Ludwick-LF Rasmu-CF Ankiel-RF all year.

As far as skippy goes; it would be interesting to see how his range is at this time next year.

by Evilfrog on Jun 11, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I definitely

think the Schu experiment warrants some more work given strong DP skills. There is little doubt that Ludwick 7 Ras 8 and Ank 9 is our warpiest OF

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by KennyWang on Jun 12, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

When you consider defense, Skip in a corner is probably as valuable as Ankiel. However, is there any doubt that Ankiel would bring back more in a trade?

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by vivaelpujols on Jun 12, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really torn on Schu

But I feel our best chance of winning THIS year is to platoon him with a RH in LF. However, I don’t feel that his defence has been as bad as UZR suggests so far. I guess we’ll see at the end of the year.

My concern with Skip at 2B is that he simply isn’t going to get any better – he’s pretty much mastered the DP ball IMO but his problem is his first step, speed & agility getting to the ball (i.e. range) and I just don’t think that’s something he’s going to learn.

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 12, 2009 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

we have a LH-hitting 2B with similar offensive skills to Schu who is, regardless what you make of Schu’s 2B performance so far, a superior fielder, and that’s Thurston.

If we obtain a 3B, the sensible thing to do is use Thursty in exactly the role that Schu’s had so far. In fact, because Thurston’s a bit better vs LHP, and brings more value with the glove, you could argue that he could play every day and be average or slightly above at 2B. Great FAT pickup by Moz.

Thurston at 2B, T Greene at SS, Ryan as backup MIF, Albert at 1B and a legit 3B (DeRo? Beltre?) and sudeenly we’ve got an excellent infield defence. Ludwick in right every day, Rasmus in centre every day, one of Schu/Ank in left platooning with a right-hander and the other guy sitting on the bench every day, now we have an excellent OF defence. Duncan to AAA. Pineiro, Welly and Thompson say “thankyou”.

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 12, 2009 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, please.

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by tom s. on Jun 12, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

bud selig? he might object that we're not in the AL.

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by tom s. on Jun 12, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not an issue

We’ll just come up with some graphs showing it’d increase “parity” and lead to larger T.V. advertising revenues.

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by mattybobo on Jun 12, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

"1B: Albert"

Brilliant.

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Jun 11, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

what more do you need?

It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan

by gdm426 on Jun 11, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

this post is a slam dunk

it pretty much confirmed what I was thinking of for the positions as of late. Dunc and Schu need to be riding the bench a lot. Thurston is a great second baseman, Ryan has looked spectacular at short, Ank can play center but Rasmus is a force to be reckoned with there, Ludwick needs to play nearly every day (unless he’s not as durable as we think he is), 3B is still up in the air. I think Tyler Greene could use a little more playing time in the minors, unless Brendan starts to come back down to earth (I personally think he’ll keep up the good work). Barden is the de facto third baseman until something happens with the 3 big ifs (Glaus, Freese, trade).

the good: what if TLR has been treating the first part of the season as a research period trying to get info (as you just did) on where to play people, as well as who should be getting the bulk of the starts (so far he has been giving some really equal playing time to everyone as far as I can tell)

the bad: Tony feels the need to continue tinkering the entire season, much like he did last year, strangling the team with control issues

the ugly: well, a lot of things could make the lineup worse, won’t even go there

conclusion: I really hope we get to see more of Thurston at second and less of Dunc and Schu (unless Ank stops heating up, he can be scary bad at times, but it’s still impressive that he can play anywhere in the outfield at least capably). third base remains an interesting question, because none of the options there are really working that well. I have no idea what to do about Spockoli, he’s a bit of an albatross at this point.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2009 2:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe I don't understand UZR/150

but how can you have a positive UZR yet be negative when extrapolated over 150 games?

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by StLHugo on Jun 12, 2009 8:17 AM EDT reply actions  

It's based off of the RngR component of UZR

So you can have a positive UZR if your ARM rating is good enough to offset bad range, but only your range will be extrapolated. Still, I really don’t like using UZR//150 this early in the season.

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by vivaelpujols on Jun 12, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

so UZR and UZR/150 are really different measures

since one uses ARM while the other doesn’t? Also I have heard bad things about using defensive metrics with small sample sizes so I usually give them slightly more weight than a grain of salt.

"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."

by StLHugo on Jun 12, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

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by vivaelpujols on Jun 12, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish they would have used different acronyms then

Because I always assumed UZR/150 was just UZR expanded to 150 games much like ERA is your earned runs averaged out over a 9 inning game.

"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."

by StLHugo on Jun 12, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

UZR doesn't predict future performances

I am serious when I say 2 years of data to predict the future in regards to defense.

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 12, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

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by vivaelpujols on Jun 12, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Defensive stats

Are always tricky to handle, but what should be the amount of innings that one needs in order to draw conclusions about defense? 2000?

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by KennyWang on Jun 12, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

UZR has made us lazy.... No Offense

It makes us think we know more than we know. Too much data and too many variables. Compared to an offensive stat it might be as good as evaluating a player by batting average but honestly I don’t even think it is that good.

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 12, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Then it is completely useless

because BA is approaching meaninglessness…

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on Jun 12, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you saying there's a better stat to evaluate defense

or that we can’t really evaluate defense?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

2nd one

defense right now has a bunch of stats that can be used over the life of a player but are almost worthless as snapshots in time. How do numbers tell you things like bad routes, bad dives, dumb-headed drops vs a good chance gone bad, lazy throws in, etc. Even UZR has some human component since someone has to determine which zone the ball was in, I don’t think we have concrete ways of saying “this ball was on this path past the SS” yet so someone has to assign a ball to a zone. Over the course of a season, or a few years the human factor can be worked out but over a few innings even a slight variation can cause huge issues. Just basic statistics, small sample sizes show outside influences much stronger than larger sample sizes.

"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."

by StLHugo on Jun 12, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking of doing something like

giving rating points to players depending on what their ranking is in each of the individual different defensive stats. but I seem to remember this already being done before, can’t remember.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one that always stands out in my mind

Is Shifts in the field by player’s to a hitters tendency’s. It can make range look really good or really bad. Plus, When Rasmus is in CF and he has to cover Dunc on the left side what kind of effect does that have on his range?

There is just too much variables without a large amount of data.

A lot of it is Fangraph’s fault. Not in a bad way but some stats have become more available and easier. I still have major beefs with how they put a $$$ on value. That stuff just reeks of BS to me. 10 wins equals a run? Sounds like some metric BS to me. I spent this summer emailing back and forth between Sean “CHONE” Smith and Tom Tango about that exact topic.

I believe it is closer to something like (LgRunsAvg*2)*Cost of one win. So a Run in the AL would be worth less than a Run in the NL. Which makes sense the AL has the DL. But now I am just ranting.

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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 12, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ank vs Duncan

Why is Ankiel’s career UZR/150 of -6.5 in CF described as “isn’t that bad”, but Duncan’s -7.9 as “not terrible”. 1.4 isn’t that big a difference.

by DiscoJer on Jun 12, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

A below average center fielder is WAY better than a below average left fielder

Ank is probably a + defender in left.

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by vivaelpujols on Jun 12, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 13, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sarcasm?

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by spants on Jun 13, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

drip

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 16, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just have to say

this is effin’ awesome stuff!

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jun 13, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

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