Percentage Players
Thurston running in the ninth inning, if you're a member of the STLToday blog-commenting community, is a terrible exemplar of the dearth of fundamental baseball we've witnessed thus far, in the course of the Cardinals leading the NL Central by two games through the first week of May. They're 14/20 on stolen bases thus far, which is pretty solid but not quite over the SABR-approved 75% mark, but there's a Bill James-developed Useless Stat™ for this very purpose, so let's check it out: the 2009 Cardinals' Percentage Player Index.
The PPI brings together four more or less unrelated stats that are often used to determine a position player's "baseball intelligence"—fielding percentage; stolen base percentage; strikeout to walk ratio; and walk rate.
Fielding Percentage: Not so great. The league average is .984; the Cardinals, in the basement with the Nationals and the Reds, are at .979. The major issues are with Chris Duncan (three errors, .932), Khalil Greene (six errors, .936), and Colby Rasmus (a .964 fielding percentage in the outfield.) It's not a great measure of individual fielding prowess, but as a unit of Gross Fan Frustration it's got few equals. It could be worse—the Nats are almost as far from the second-to-last place Reds and Redbirds as those two teams are from the league average. (That's just Adam Dunn, bringing his Terrible Hatred for Baseball to his new ballclub as it continues to hamper his old one. Right?)
Stolen Base Percentage: As we discussed earlier, the Cardinals aren't quite stealing three quarters of their SBA successfully, although it would take a look at the conditions in which they've stolen to learn whether or not it's been a positive or negative over the course of the season. The league as a whole is actually doing worse on this measure—they've stolen 252 bases out of 375, for a percentage of 67.2.
Strikeout to Walk Ratio: The Cardinals, astonishingly enough, have four regulars with even strikeout to walk ratios—Molina, Pujols, Schumaker, and Khalil Greene. (Joel Pineiro has also done the trick: three walks, two strikeouts.) They walk 64.9% as often as they strike out, way higher than the league average of 54.7.
Walk Rate: The Cardinals nearly trace the league average here—11.1% for the Cardinals, 11.4 for the league at large. Among the regulars, Ludwick, Ankiel, Thurston, and Barden are dragging the average down.
So all in all, the Cardinals are a pretty good fundamental team. They make a lot of errors, and their defense hasn't been particularly rangy, either, but it's early yet. Thurston's play—or La Russa's call, if the post-game chatter is not just a manager protecting His Guys—was an ugly one, but microcosms and synecdoche are for literature and history, not May 9 in a long baseball season.
Chuck's got a game thread set in three hours—go Cardinals.
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Good work, DanUp
Thank you for bringing a level head to these proceedings.
Oh, and…….FIRST!!! Just kidding! ;)
Joe Thurston shouldn't be getting so much playing time
He isn’t a very good hitter, he makes a lot of mental mistakes, and his fielding isn’t good enough to make up for it. Freese should still be getting starts, despite his struggles in 20 at bats.
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or Barden
i don’t understand this either. Tony does seem to have fixated on Thurston this year. He does know that he doesn’t have to do this every single season, right?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I like Thurston a lot
and I think he could be a better hitter than Barden, given that his nice AAA numbers are in the International League, but you’re right, there’s no reason for him to play third this regularly.
Hummm, shows how people see things differently
I thought Thurston was playing great…has made a couple of mistakes but other than that…….
Okay I'll try
Freese is 25 years old, having spent 3 seasons in the minors. In his first season in AAA last year, he put up a .306/.36/.550 line, which was good for a .387 wOBA. His projections for this year, ranged from a .329 wOBA to a .355 wOBA. We split the difference and give him a projection of a .343 wOBA. League average is around .330, so over 600 plate appearance, his bat would produce roughly 7 runs above an average player.
Defensively, he is well above average. Using Total Zone rating, Freese has been worth +12, +13, and +3 runs per 150 games above an average defender at his position, over the past 3 seasons in the minors. Using a 5,4,3 weighting systems and docking off a couple of runs due to the fact that the average defender in the majors is better than one in the minors, Freese projects to be around +5 runs defensively this year.
Add that all together, plus a position and replacement level adjustment, and Freese would be worth roughly 3.5 wins above a replacement level player. A league average player is worth 2 wins and Pujols was worth 9 wins last year, so 3.5 wins is very good.
Obviously, Freese hasn’t done that so far in the majors, however, he also only had 22 plate appearances, so we really shouldn’t make judgments about how good of a player he his based on that uber-small sample size. If Freese was given the starting job, and was allowed to play every day, he would be expected to produce at an above average level.
Joe Thurston on the other hand, isn’t really as good of a player as Freese. He is 30 years old, and is still a rookie. He had a good year in AAA last season, putting up a .356 wOBA, however, it was also his third season at AAA, so the results don’t look as rosy. His projections before this year, ranged from a .298 wOBA to a .322 wOBA. Splitting the difference there give us an average projection of a .311 wOBA. Over 600 plate appearances that would make him roughly 10 runs below an average hitter.
His defense by Total Zone, has been worth -5, -4, and +8 runs over the past 3 seasons. Doing the same thing I did with Freese, Thurston would be worth about -5 runs defensively. However, he has never played 3rd base before, so should we expect him to be better at third than he has been at second? Maybe, but he hasn’t looked great so far. However, lets say that he stays the same at third as he has been at second, so -5 runs.
Adding offense, defense, position and replacement level, gives us a final WAR tally of a little less than 1 win. Now he has hit a lot better than his projection so far, however, given the fact that he only has had 91 plate appearances in the majors, I doubt that continues. You should probably chock tha up to small sample size, maybe raise his projection a little higher, bu you shouldn’t make the mistake of calling him a decent hitter, when a much larger sample size in the minors shows that he probably isn’t.
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I'm sorry I asked :P
but you make a good point. I’m just not really sold on Freese.
People who prefer Freese probably do so because he’s a natural—and apparently above average—third baseman and he hit the ball really hard in AAA last season. At 26 and with his prospect status intact, he also gives the Cardinals Glaus/Wallace insurance for this year and the next.
Thurston’s played fine at third, so I don’t think it’s a pressing concern to replace him, but Freese doesn’t have anything to do at AAA at this point.
add that to his AAA line from last year
and he’s still got an .890 OPS down there. Unless you think he’s hurt there’s little reason to put stock in 54 at-bats after a fitful MLB stint, certainly when it’s at the expense of a full season the year before.
I just don't get Khalil
he K rate is down, his walk rate is up, and his OBP is still craptacular. I just don’t see how he does it.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
His OBP is .333, which is excellent for him
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for some reason my eye went straight to the career %
yes, .330ish is great for Khalil
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
And it will go way up when his BABIP regresses to his LD rate
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Khalil Greene IMO,
is having an excellent offensive season when you look at his underlying numbers. His walk rate is 11.6, which nearly doubles his career average’s before this year. His K rate is 13.2, which is nearly half of his career average before this year. He is hitting line drives at a 22.4% clip, but his BABIP is .250, which is just insanely unlucky.
He is hitting more flyballs than he ever has, but his HR/FB is only 6.3, which is well below his career average. So either he has actually lost his power at age 30, or he is just getting unlucky. Either way, if his new, more patient approach is for real, he would be an excellent offensive player once his luck regresses.
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"excellent" may be pushing it
but you are right…you can count on him to put the ball in play…which is all this club really needs from guys not named Duncan, Ludwick and Pujols to have a great offense.
Yes. I think Khalil just has to be patient. He should get hot soon I hope.
*Rasmus is to CF as Longoria is to 3B*
Evan Longoria or David Wright?
If you had to choose one for your third baseman?
I think i’d go with Longoria
Wright for me
He has a much better approach at the plate than Longo, and has improved a lot defensively a lot also.
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wright
I’d rather have the guy who’s posted 140 OPS+ two years in a row and is just approaching his peak than the guy who’ll only probably do that. Longoria’s better on defense but there’s not enough of a sample there to make me certain that it’s really a ~10 run difference.
sounds like a job for
Oquendo!
Much as I loved the WBC, I think those lost weeks are still coming back to haunt us.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Thursty's starting at 3rd again
great
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan

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