Cy Young, has excelled in the post season, he also seems to have an effect on the other pitchers by showing them how to prepare and be a pro. I really like Haren but I still think that Carp has better stuff.

Looking back, we never should’ve traded for Mulder. Mulder had a good year in ‘05, but tanked after that because he was hurt all the time. Meanwhile, Haren’s pitching great, and making us look bad for letting him go.

Too bad no one saw the Haren-Mulder trade playing out the way it did.

Because he comes with intermittently healthy Carp, so every once in a while we’d have both!

dude is the best right handed pitcher in the NL. as much as i miss Danny, i miss Carp more

one ace-grade pitcher GUARANTEED to not break down ALWAYS beats an ace-grade pitcher not guaranteed not to break down.

no matter how good haren is, the incidence of injury to pitchers is just too high. the only hazard with carp is declining productivity. i’ve seen no sign of that so you HAVE to pick carp, imho. although obviously lots of people disagree. . . .

if you asked me if i would prefer a guaranteed carp to a guaranteed haren, then i’d have to think.

but it is close and I mean close. I watched Haren’s last start before today and he is nasty. but there is not any pitcher that is guaranteed not to DL on his next pitch.

but Haren is younger and still has some room to improve. If salary and age are factors than I would take Haren,

that Darryl Kile would be still alive, 40, and the dean of the Cardinal rotation, looking forward to his retirement at the end of this year, with a possible coaching situation in the Cardinal organization, and that he would eventually replace DD as the pitching coach down the road. Ah, well. Don’t know why, but he’s just been on my mind lately, wondering, “What if?”

but that is only because Carp is already getting paid out of the ass. Gotta get somewhat of a return on that investment.

and said that Haren and Carpenter have just as much likelihood of getting injured.

I still cling to the idea that these guys are all teaching each other, and Carp is always out there, supporting the team, talking to the guys and making suggestions. I don’t see Haren being that calm center.

Or, are we looking into the 2010s, too?

so I voted for him… but if it were possible to have a non-injury prone Carpenter, I suppose I should vote for that option.

Given equal injury-proneness to both players, and all other things being equal (if salaries/contracts come into it then Haren wins by a mile).

I think he’s arguably one of the top 5 pitchers in baseball right now, certainly in the top 8 or 9. He has been wickedly consistent in the last 3 years and is dominant in a hitters’ park. Carp’s perhaps my favourite Cards’ player but I think Haren is better even than a fit Carp these days.

If we’re talking long-term, Haren is the better deal. Six years younger, and likely to contribute well into the next decade. Carpenter has filthier stuff, but probably only another 2-3 years of high productivity (assuming good health).

because for all we know carp will be back in two weeks for the rest of the season.

and if he’s not.

we have dan f haren