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15 years later...

Well now that our 4 man outfield rotation is back up and running again I thought this would be a perfect time to explore days of Cardinal yore and go back to the mid-90s when the Cards, though we didn’t have a whole lot at the time, had a pretty good 4 man outfield rotation. In 1993 and 1994, the Cards had some terrific athletes in the outfield in Bernard Gilkey, Ray Lankford, Mark Whiten, and Brian Jordan. Jordan was the youngest and least experienced as he had just come up from the minors and had spent much of his time in the minors as a pro football player as well, but Joe Torre had to figure out how to allocate the playing time among these 4 guys, all of whom could hit for some power and had some speed as well.

Lankford was, of course, the best of the 4 and the best Cardinal outfielder of the 90’s. He hit from the left side and had power, speed, and was a very good centerfielder. He finished 3rd in the Rookie of the Year balloting in 1991 and by 1993 had established himself as one of the best centerfielders in the NL. Actually, as it turned out, ’93 was his worst season in the big leagues (.266/.366/.346) – at least until his final couple of years – and maybe that gave Torre the impetus he needed to recall Jordan and give him the playing time he received. Overall, though, Lankford was one of those 5 tool guys. For his career he averaged a .366 wOBA and finished his career w/ 238 HR and 258 SB.

Lankford was notoriously poor against left-handed pitchers and Jordan’s right-handedness allowed Torre the option of a sensible platoon against southpaws. Lankford’s ’94 season was much better as he was able to raise his wOBA from .320 to .360. He went from 7 HR to 19 and went from 27 extra base hits to 49. Despite his excellent speed, Lankford was a pretty poor basestealer in the early part of his career. In ’93 and ’94 he stole 25 bases total and was caught an astounding 24 times. He was also infamous for the breezes he brought the catcher’s way as his career K rate was 27%. In ’93 and ’94 he struck out 224 times out of 977 ABs. Still, despite having relatively poor offensive seasons in ’93 and ’94, Lankford was worth 2.1 and 2.7 WAR, respectively. From 1995-1999, he averaged more than 5 WAR per season.

Hard Hittin’ Mark Whiten was built like an NFL tight end and was the team’s primary RF in the ’93 and ’94 seasons. He is probably most famous for this game, the second game of a double header against the Reds where he hit 4 homers and drove in 12 runs. Despite the 25 HR and 15 SB Whiten had in ’93, his wOBA was only .326. In 626 PAs, he only had 13 2B and 4 3B. Combine that w/ slash stats of .253/.323/.423 and you get an offensive season that looks a lot better w/ the traditional stats than it does the saber stats. Whiten also had tremendous arm strength though he didn’t always know where his throws were headed. He had 11 outfield assists in ’93 and 10 OF errors. Whiten was, w/o a doubt the rawest of the Cards’ outfielders.

His ’94 season didn’t look as good on paper (he dropped from 25 HR to 14) but his slash numbers and wOBA were better -- .293/.364/.495 and .361, respectively. W/o the strike, he might have ended up w/ 25-30 bombs and a much better overall line. His defense was just as bad, however – 9 assists/9 errors. His ’93 season was worth just 0.3 WAR – he was basically a replacement level player despite the one noteworthy game – but in ’94 he was worth 2.8 WAR – a career high. He was traded to Boston at the end of the ’94 season and the 4 man outfield platoon was no more.

Brian Jordan was probably the best athlete of the 4, and that’s saying something. An All-Pro football player, Jordan gave up a career in the NFL to become a full-time baseball player in 1992. Well, he was actually a part-time baseball player from ’92-’94 as he had just 643 PAs in those 3 years. He was the most versatile of the 4 OFs as well, as he played all 3 OF positions and played them pretty well, particularly in 1994. When he became a Cardinal, he had a lot of ability but hadn’t played a lot of baseball, b/c he was also a football player so he, too, was very raw. Still, in 1993 he fashioned a wOBA of .380 in part-time duty. That fell to .318 in 1994. Like Lankford, Jordan was thrown out on the bases almost as often as he was successful in these 2 years but he did manage to hit 10 HR in just 223 PAs in ’93. His slash line in ’93 was .309/.351/.543 but in ’94 they dropped to .258/.320/.410. The team, as a whole, fell from 12 games over .500 in 1993 to 8 games below in the abbreviated 1994 season as the offense got worse and the pitching putrified.

The most underrated player of the group was Bernard Gilkey. Gilkey was the leadoff hitter and leftfielder for the Cards for several years in the mid-90s. Compared to the rest, he just didn’t have the athleticism but, in seemed to always be doing something to help the team. He didn’t have the power of the other guys or the speed. He didn’t have the big arm of Whiten or the ability to cover ground like Lankford or Jordan, but you just couldn’t get him out of the lineup. He did hit 22 HR and steal 30 bags in the 2 years combined (though, like the others, he was thrown out far too often) and, unlike Whiten and Jordan, had a decent walk rate – over 9%. His slash stats for ’93 were .305/.370/.481 but in ’94 dropped to .253/.336/.363. In ’93 he was the Cards’ best OF – worth 3.6 WAR but he was worth just 0.5 WAR in 1994. (Can you believe that Gilkey was an 8 win player for the Mets in ’96? Wow!) I always loved that guy, even when he was w/ the Mets (just as I loved Jordan even when he was a Brave or Dodger!).

In 1993, the Cards were just an average pitching team and were in the playoff hunt for a good portion of the season largely b/c of the contributions of the 4-headed monster in the outfield. In ’94, when the pitching went south as did the play of the outfielders, the team was horrendous. The strike was our version of a mercy rule that prevented us from watching any more of that futility and hurting those we loved! But during a time when the Cards just weren’t very good, these 4 guys were fun to watch. They made a lot of mistakes – on the basepaths, in the outfield, and in swinging at damned near everything that was tossed up there – but they were tremendously athletic and could do some things on a baseball field that most players just couldn’t do. All that said, I think the 4 we have right now are better than those 4 – and none is the best player on the team.

I’ll have a game thread out in a couple hours. Going for a series win w/ Wainer on the mound.

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Those guys were.....

fun to watch. Gilkey was one of those guys that seemed to come up big every chance he got. Seems like those guys K’d alot though, which always frustrated me.

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by SoonerfanTU on May 31, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

OT: This might be a longshot

but does anyone in STL know a vintage clothing shop in the area that has a selection of good, vintage Cardinals gear?

by mattyp on May 31, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

What kind of vintage stuff are you looking for

I have know of places that sell the old powder blue cardinals shirts, the shop at Busch also has some vintage looking cards shirts

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring" -Rogers Hornsby

by stlwcards on May 31, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I know they make throwback vintage-looking apparel, but I’m talking about the original stuff — Anything from old school 70s, 80s, and 90s jerseys to hats, tees, and stuff like that. Expensive stuff, cheap stuff, doesn’t matter as long as its original. I know you can find some on ebay, but I feel like a shop would make sizing easier and would be more trustworthy in terms of quality/cleanliness of the items.

by mattyp on May 31, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Value Village

on Watson has random stuff. May find something, may not.

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by Alxfritz on May 31, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

pure athleticism

to me, Whiten and Jordan were perfect examples of how baseball greatness transcends simple athleticism. Whiten and Jordan just LOOKED like they would hit .300 with 30 homers and a hundred rbis. To see them up close and in person was to be impressed. They were good but they never quite lived up to their physique and never reached the greatness of other less athletic guys like Gwynn, Boggs, Puckett and others.

by Hinkster on May 31, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought so too!

My dad and I always talked in those years about how we thought that the 4 man platoon should have had 100-125 homers and 300-350 RBI every year.

Instead, they combined for 44 homers and 170 RBI in the shortened 1994 season and 58 homers and 258 RBI in 1993.

by stlfan on May 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hometown Boy

Gilkey went to U-City High which made me like him all the more, and his real first name is otis.

by mdarshan on May 31, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

his wife

actually taught at Jackson Park elementary in U City when I was there, right before he went to the mets. good folks.

by spencegrif on May 31, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like the birds will have to win tonight to stay tied in 1st

Micha Owings == Good Hitter && Micha Owings != Pitcher. Man he sucks something fierce on the mound. Wish the cardinals would get to face him this next series against the Reds.

by cloistermaximus on May 31, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll be the bearer of bad news

SS Ryan
2B Thurston
1B Pujols
RF Ludwick
LF Stavinoha
C Molina
3B Barden
P Wainwright
CF Schumaker

wow, wtf. skip in CF in this huge OF? great idea. Thurston and Barden? as if having to start one of them isn’t bad enough. Captain Swing at First Pitch in front of Albert?

I’m reminded that even w/ Luddy back Tony is fully capable of putting out a lineup I can’t stand.

That said, we’ll prob score 8 runs or something

by kalmavet on May 31, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

wow, Luddy might have been a better bet in CF

I and Thurston batting second against a lefty? I want some Tyler Greene back up soon MO!

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on May 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tyler is still hitting down in Memphis

Honestly their is no one I am rooting for more than him. I was never a fan of Khalil but I always wanted him to work out. Their is nothing available what so ever next year in the SS market. In Tyler Greene I trust.

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by FlimtotheFlam on May 31, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

IF he pans out as a cheap productive option as SS this team is much improved. It would obv free up $ for 3b/sp

by kalmavet on May 31, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Albert's contract...

But, I still prefer we free up that sort of money in 3b and we use it on SS

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on May 31, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine

Name a SS that is a free agent SS worth spending money on

2010 Free Agent List
2011 Free Agent List

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by FlimtotheFlam on May 31, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is.......

ummm……and…..ummmm…..Orlando Cabera?

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring" -Rogers Hornsby

by stlwcards on May 31, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaron Miles!

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on May 31, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

although

if we are gonna upgrade in 2011, let’s not get crazy with Miles.. I will settle for Hardy

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by mattyfrommo on May 31, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He will most likely get paid some serious cash when he becomes a FA

If I was a half decent SS I would never take a contract from my team past Arbitration.

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by FlimtotheFlam on May 31, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Khalil Greene!

(after he sees Greinke’s shrink)

by Willie McGee's Twin on May 31, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad about KG

Since he is the youngest on the list too.

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by FlimtotheFlam on May 31, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is a sad that he couldn't pull him self out of this

Cause if you look deeper at his baseball stats he see he was simply unlucky. The local press seems to have been awfully light on him too. If he can’t handle STL than I am not sure he can handle any market.

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by FlimtotheFlam on May 31, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't pretend to know what's in his head

but it may not be external pressure (i.e., local media). I got the impression (flawed though it may be) that the pressure was internal and he was very hard on himself.

by Willie McGee's Twin on May 31, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say Marco Scutaro

though you are righ, pathetic list of FA SS… Go Tyler Greene, Go Tyler Greene… Yet I still want to see Walrus in ’10

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on May 31, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Scutaro too

I would rather have him than DeRosa. I just keep hoping that TOR will crash

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by FlimtotheFlam on May 31, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

ryan, thurston, barden and stavinoha...

cant stand it… hope waino is stellar again

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on May 31, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Odds of them coming thru two days in a row

Besides Albert’s bookend homers, this was the offense last night. Pushing the odds to expect it two days in a row.

by ubeddie on May 31, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

Luddy comes through for Waino today…

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on May 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need a franklin.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 31, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hahah

no crap. this is definitely a lineup to inspire much Franklin drinkage.

by kalmavet on May 31, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

those are the best kind

It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan

by gdm426 on May 31, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh.....

With that gigantic outfield, I was really hoping for Lud, Ank, and Raz out there.

TLR probably just did this because he knows that WW won’t let any balls out of the infield tonight! After all, we all have to remember, “Tony’s a genius”.

by fuegophil on May 31, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

TLR

loses it when we face a lefty right?

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on May 31, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Six games over 500

against LH Starters, amazing as that seems.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on May 31, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schu in CF

I guess Colby’s 5 for 43 against LHP doesn’t excite Tony enough to notice the massive outfield. Here’s hoping Waino keeps the ball on the ground or in Yadi’s mitt today.

by ubeddie on May 31, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colby's BABIP against LHP is .107 (!)

That’s lower than his actual BA. I didn’t even realize that was possible! Sounds like some wretched luck (On this team? Get out!) to me!

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I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain

by jd is legend on May 31, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck this

I know Rasmus has been terrible against lefties this year but wtf? At least he’s a good defender and to my eye, Schu has looked terrible in the outfield this year.

by Willie McGee's Twin on May 31, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the plus side

Hell of a bench for pinch hitting and no MIF double switches possible. What is Tony gonna do late in the game?

by ubeddie on May 31, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im betting around the 7th

Raz to center and Schu to Left

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring" -Rogers Hornsby

by stlwcards on May 31, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Raz to Center

Schu to 2b, Thurston pitches, Waino manages and TLR fill the void in LF

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on May 31, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hmmm..

this is…..

hmmmm…

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by MUGATU on May 31, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the lineup I want against LHP

2B Ryan
CF Rasmus
1B Pujols
RF Ludwick
LF Stavinoha (insert Ankiel if healthy)
C Molina
3B Barden
P Wainwright
SS Tyler mf’ing Greene

With Ank in for Stav, that is a sick defensive alignment.

by Willie McGee's Twin on May 31, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I thought

Check out his home/road splits

Home: .310/.385/.517/.902
Away: .180/.315/.311/ .626

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by FlimtotheFlam on May 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

well what do you know

I take it back, as long as he keeps that up, he can hit against lefties. Although now I never want to see him hitting against RHP .237. .339. 381

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by mattyfrommo on May 31, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow,

It just hasn’t seemed that good.

by chicagocardfan on May 31, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man I'm watching the White Sox vs. Royals

Greinke has Carp’s curveball. Except he throws it at 87 mph.

by sdrone on May 31, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

great fantasy pickup

huh?

Yadi swings and hits a high fly ball... Endy Chavez goes back, to the track, to the wall... ITS A GUNNER!! Yadi gives St. Louis the lead in the top of the ninth!

by Paulspike on May 31, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

LUCKY!

*said with that “Napoleon Dynamite” voice…

by stlfan on May 31, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greinke pretty much rocks...and this year, moreso!

I’m watching too…he’s getting beat up a little at the moment, though.

by stlfan on May 31, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sanchez numbers

He’s made it through 6 innings twice in eight starts. Could be another battle against the bullpen if this team can show some patience at the plate.

by ubeddie on May 31, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

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