Game 25 Overflow thread
Go Cards Go!
[EDIT: Some rain delay programming--
The P-D has celebrated a good start to the season with an explanatory piece re: Franklin's sudden onset unhittability. Franklin Time's two-piece explanation:
- New pitch! (Cutter edition)
- Role definition! (Not looking over my shoulder edition.)
Good luck with that last one, Ryan--there are two guys with high-90s fastballs and built-in closer tics right behind you. As for the first one, Fangraphs agrees--he's hardly thrown the slider once all year, and he's thrown the cutter just as often as he used to throw the slider. Looks to be a nasty one, too--it comes in at nearly the exact speed as his fastball. It's nice to be able to check up on the classic New Pitch excuse with hard data, and it's nicer still to be able to confirm it. I can buy Franklin's control returning to where it was in 2007 when he's more or less stopped throwing the slider, a difficult pitch to keep in the zone and an odd fit for a guy who can't strike anybody out.
The UCB recently did a set of cross-blog debates, covering most of the questions surrounding the Cardinals over the next year. For what it's worth, my answers would be No, No, No, Not Yet, and No, respectively, and not just because I'm an intrinsically negative guy.
In FA pitcher news, there but for the grace of God go we--it looks like Oliver Perez is either unhealthy or unhinged, this after accepting a big contract to return to the Mets. I was really high on a possible Perez contract this offseason. Now I am glad that I can't just go into Baseball Mogul Commish Mode and make the deal myself in real life.
Hope that's enough to tide you over in this would-be overflow thread. Regular programming will return tomorrow morning. -danup]
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Guys, guys...
you’re both right.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 3, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
some devoted blog authors
to give us one, as well.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
Looks like one more short wave of showers and then all clear after that... probably start playing before 3:00 CST
thanks for the update
now, if I could get out of my 3:00 meeting!
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
Cancel this game already.
This is stupid. If it comes down to it, they can make the game up at the end of the season. 2 hour rain delays before the game even starts is moronic, especially in May.
but think of all the fans
at the game!
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
Which reminds me
isn’t it about time for a professional sports league to give them another expansion team already?
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 3, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
just those two
from Portland, Maine, in the picture.
by DanUpBaby on May 3, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Happy now?
Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.
i know i must of missed it somewhere...
but can someone please tell me why lohse wasnt goign to go today?
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
didnt want to waste a start if it was going to be cut short
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
by themanthemyth on May 3, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
ppd
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
and that's a rain out
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
Good question
I’d imagine that is what TLR would do. I’m not certain, but I thought that was the announced plan—even before the postponement—to start K-Mac and then Lohse would go tomorrow. I could be wrong though.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 3, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Something must be wrong with me
I was actually looking forward to going to the game and watching Piniero pitch Thursday. Now it looks like I will get Welley instead. I would have never thought that would disappoint me.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Schedule
We were scheduled to have one off-day between Opening Day and May 10th and two off-days between Opening Day and May 17th. Interesting that due to rain, this is our third off-day and it is only May 3rd.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
consider this
your thread for today. Presumably chuck is as busy teaching students who are about to take finals as I am taking finals. Rain delay programming added to the entry proper.
Great work
Enjoyed the nice extra perk, especially the reminder at the end that it’s much easier for all of us to play GM with a beer in one hand and a remote in the other…unless we were actually to be held accountable for our moves. My appreciation for The Moz and LaDuncan grows by the day.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 3, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
erg finals.
can’t i just pretend they don’t exist?
by stlcardinalsfang on May 3, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Interestingly
Due to my finals load, I’ve decided to pretend that my friends don’t exist. Sometimes there just isn’t time for a social life.
Yeah well
My friends are all in Forest Park right now having a lovely picnic. And I’m here at home writing a paper about Herman Melville’s message regarding race in The Confidence Man. And to think, if I had even the smallest amount of time management skills…
knowing time management is to blame is definitely the worst part
I’ve had all semester to write two very long papers for two anthropology classes in which I’ve spent the entire year way over my head. So obviously I am writing both of them this weekend.
I hear that, baby
I spent last weekend being a dumbass and just relaxing before I jumped into finals. Now guess what’s due tomorrow? Yes, two 10+ page papers. So I enjoyed last weekend 100% so I could enjoy this weekend 0%. That’s not a recipe for happiness — not for me, not for my friends (who all have light exam schedules in this, their last semester) who keep asking me if I want to do X, or for my GF who basically doesn’t get to see me all weekend.
I’m about 30 minutes from being done with one of these babies. Then all I have left is…an 8-pager for Tuesday, and a cumulative final exam on Thursday. God, just kill me.
in great day for baseball news:
memphis: delayed
springfield: postponed
let’s all follow Quad Cities, I guess. It looks like I’ll be the last one on the Jon Edwards bandwagon…
Cueto with a 4 hit shutout through 8 in PIT
looks like the Pirates remembered they are the Pirates
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I like Cueto a lot
but then, I like any pitcher who strikes out 8 batters per 9 innings as a 22 year-old.
My appreciation stems from Fantasy Baseball
I picked him up as a FA, along with Wandy Rodriguez, Zack Greinke, Chris Volstad, Ryan Franklin, and Brad Ziegler. I’m very pleased with my staff now…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 3, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Whaaaaa?
How shallow (either size or intelligence) is this league that Greinke, Volstad, and Ziegler were all undrafted?
12 teams
I don’t even know who is playing. My boss asked me to fill the 12th spot the Friday before the Sunday (which got bumped back to Monday due to a glitch) draft. Due to the Monday draft, I have to do the computer automated draft, which got me: Troy Glaus, 3B; Ervin Santana, P; and David Price, P.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 3, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Just think
before long, that will be like making three major trades for free
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
you know, it really will Al
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
Question
On baseball-reference.com, can I download stat graphs as an Excel spreadsheet?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think
as of the most recent redesign of B-R you’re able to convert most tables to comma-delimited form by clicking CSV, which you could then copy and paste into a text file and open in Excel. But I’m not much for spreadsheets.
Thanks, DanUp
Good luck on the final exams…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 3, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Since it's Sunday
I figured I could at least tune in to see another furious Tiger Woods comeback. But he looks like he’s really struggling on the greens.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 3, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions
in case you didn't notice, our regular season schedule sucks
i was looking at the schedule trying to see which off day would be lost, and we don’t have a lot to lose in the next few months. they only have 3 this month. then have only ONE off day in june. (i’m sure our pen won’t be hosed at all) then only two in july not counting the all star break. finally there are 5 in august & 4 in september. so i don’t know when if ever it will be made up. damn rain.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
Safeco Field

Mmm….retractable roof…
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 3, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
October 5th
There are only two matching off days for us and the Nationals. June 15th and July 23rd. Both would violate the Basic Agreement “more than 20 days in a row” rule for one of the teams. IMO this game is pushed to Monday Oct 5th, if necessary.
Yeah
Pray we either don’t need to play it because we’re so far ahead in the division it won’t matter, or that we do because we’re right in the thick of the playoff chase!
I believe we could also make the game up at our place, presumably double-header style…but I think the Nationals would have to agree to that, and I can’t see them coughing up a home game.
why its not like they have fans
most of the people there were cards fans
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on May 3, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I could really see oliver perez
being a duncan-fixer-upper project. If the mets completely give up on him and pay 75% of his payroll, of course.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
Oh god no
The way I understand it, Duncan has two scrap-heap “modus operandi”s:
- He can take a guy with good stuff and help him tweak it to a place where he’ll be able to use it effectively (i.e. Lohse and the 2-seamer, Wellemeyer backing off the heat to gain control), or
- He can take a guy who has pedestrian stuff and make him into a useful pitcher somehow, even if only temporarily
Oliver Perez isn’t really that kind of scrap heap guy. He’s young, he’s talented, and he’s completely erratic. Sometimes he’s an ace, sometimes he’s a time bomb waiting to explode. It’s not that he doesn’t know what to do with his stuff, it’s that he never knows if his stuff is going to show up or if he’s going to be able to throw it in the vicinity of where he wants to.
I miss the Oliver Perez of 2004. 22 years old. 196 IP, 239 K, and a 2.98 ERA. His BB/9 was a full walk lower than his current career mark, and his K/9 was a full strikeout higher. Never have I seen anyone seem to figure it out and then just completely forget everything he was doing that was taking him to the next level.
2003 ERA: 5.47
2004 ERA: 2.98
2005 ERA: 5.85
What a bizarre case.
I'd pass
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 4, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
but think of the upside...
he could be wellemeyer-ified into sandy koufax (to use the boras-binder equivelency).
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
palm beach avoids the rainout frenzy
It looks like both A-ball teams will get their games in, at least. Nick Additon’s going for Palm Beach.
shouldn't you be writing a paper instead of following the minor leagues?
i mean, not that i’m doing the same thing instead of studying for my last exam tomorrow….. not at all.
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
right now
I’m in the works cited portion of paper #1, where my focus goes to die. I haven’t done a bibliography manually in forever, but I don’t think any of the sites I use are made for society for american archaeology format.
doesn't sound like a good time
i’m in the process of formatting my property law outline and doing problems on common law estates and future interests. i think you still might win.
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
oh, and by "in the process"
i mean i’m surfing the internet
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
Manual bibliography creation? Yuk.
Sounds like something you should probably put off until an hour before it’s due, don’t you think?
Oliver Perez
It’s funny, but this almost exactly how I felt he would pitch. The guy has been the definition of inconsistent in his career, and his best season was in 2004. Totally not worth any money.
On with the (good) youth movement!
I'm at the point in my college career
where the teachers don’t bother giving a final and instead tell us to write a paper.
Considering the length of the papers, I prefer the finals.
Still got a french Final, though.
I just hate when easy classes give hard finals
Like, I cruised through this one class. There was one midterm and one 5-7 page paper and I aced them both. They were easy stuff.
Then he gives us our final paper…10+ pages, and a list of the kind of prompts where you have to read each one three times to even figure out what it’s asking, only to realize what it wants from you is so specific you have no idea how you’re going to get 10 pages out of it.
ARAHRAHRARAHRARA okay back to work.
i would much rather write a paper
than have my entire grade rest on one exam
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
ah law school
con law this week.exhilarating.
by longhornscardinals on May 3, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
property exam tomorrow and then it’s officially summer time
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
I feel for you fellas
I graduated in December, specifically so I would be studying for the bar exam in January and February instead of May, June and July. I’m thrilled to have passed and to be able to spend my evenings watching Cardinal baseball. I went out for a beer some friends from my class who graduate in two weeks and who still have finals. It’s not at all fun and first year finals are the worst. Good luck.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 3, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
On another note, I love Gulliver's Travels.
It’s so flexible to write about; so far this semester, I’ve written both how the whole trip was in his mind and that he was insane, so people shouldn’t listen to him, and how people should learn about the difference in cultures about him, and that they should listen to him.
6 SB day for Carl Crawford
Embarrassing for the combo of Penny and Varitek.
Great thing to see about each of them, when he slid, he was going in feet first.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
+1
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
exciting final paper moment
I just realized the monster paper I have due tuesday is to be formatted under the Society for American Archaeology style guidelines, which call for 1.5 inch margins on each side of the page. It called for an in-library Jeter fist-pump.
Any other votes on the five questions?
My votes would be No/Yes/Yes/Yes (“consider” is not the same as “definitely do”)/No.
Random
I’m getting a new (to me) car in a couple days. I was thinking about getting personalized plates. It can be up to seven digits; all I can come up with is VIVASTL or something like BIRDOS. Does anyone have any other neat ideas?
You should
take several ideas in with you b/c the one(s) you want most might be taken.
Classic underachiever.
N2GUYS
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by Alxfritz on May 4, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd.
Nearing 30 and still too wicked for the rest of these losers, that’s us, right Fritz?
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 4, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Just a quick note to the editors...
Today’s game would have actually been #26, not #25.
“Game #24” got used twice (Fri and Sat), and so now the count is off. Just thought you’d want to correct it for Monday’s game (#26).
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
I'd have watched the Seattle game
Had I known this guy was pitching.
BoooooooooWHOOP!

Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky and I went horseback riding, but there weren't any horses around? Anyway, Brasky throws a saddle on my back and rides me around Wyoming for three days. Well, wouldn't ya know it, my stamina increased with each day, and I develop tremendous leg muscles. So anyway, Brasky decides to enter me into the Breeders Cup under the name Turkish Delight. And Im running in second place, and I'm running, and I break my ankle. So anyway, they're about to shoot me. Then someone from the crowd yells out, God bless him, Dont shoot him, he's a human.
series preview from The Good Phight
interesting to see what others think about our lineup
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I had been hoping for Freese and Howard to be in the same game
Put that Saint Louis high school question to good use.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
BTW, my advice to Charles Creteau:
IMHo if you can find a pretty woman who will sit with you, in the rain, at an empty ballpark, 550 miles from home, during a swine flu pandemic, you should keep her.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on May 4, 2009 2:16 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

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