Carpenter Carpenter Carpenter
We spoke about the offense yesterday, before I was so rudely interrupted by day baseball, and I'm going to be on the road tomorrow, so today seems like a good day for a paean to Mr. Chris Carpenter, who, were there any justice in the baseball world, would be 3-0 with a 0.00 ERA this morning. Here are four observations—I typed operations, first, which would please Freud—on the Cardinals' new old ace:
1. I didn't feel weird while he was throwing the no-hitter because ever since he fell apart I always think of Carpenter like he's midway through a no-no, sitting by himself on one side of the dugout bench. It's an important part of Cardinals fan etiquette: don't talk about how well he's doing.
Don't talk about how he's throwing bullets, or looking healthy, or, should it become relevant, about how he's not given up any hits, because if you do any of those things someone in a position of baseball power might think that the Cardinals are taking Chris Carpenter's health for granted, and then whammo—he suffers a debilitating scalp injury, or is replaced, in spacetime, with Mike Parisi. A no-hitter is the only time this comes up for most pitchers, but for Chris Carpenter yesterday was just Monday.
2. In March I was having a hushed, no-hittery conversation with somebody about Chris Carpenter, and he made an interesting point: "Of course," he said, "the Cardinals can't expect him to be Chris Carpenter even if he's healthy. I mean..." and here he rattled off the litany—his age, his injury history, his spotty career with the Blue Jays, et cetera.
I probably nodded seriously and moved on, both because I don't like to talk about Chris Carpenter and because he had made a perfectly reasonable, perfectly commonsense point that I had never once considered. I've been blogging about baseball for about a hundred blog-years, and in my younger and more vulnerable years I sentenced no shortage of guys in their mid-thirties to premature death sentences. But Chris Carpenter?
It has to do with the way he pitches, I'd imagine. His stuff is superb, of course, but when a pitcher's gaudiest stat is his K:BB ratio and his best pitch is a running fastball that swipe-tags the outsider corner stuff isn't the word you use to describe it. He's just ahead of the hitters, like Maddux was; he can put any pitch on any spot in the strike zone, and on any given pitch he knows the spot he wants. (I'd be remiss if I didn't mention this much-recced fanpost, in which vivaelpujols examines PITCHf/x data to try to quantify Carp's extra something.)
Don't get me wrong—this ages like any other kind of pitching. Eventually his fastball won't slide so perfectly over the edge of the plate, and his curveball will hang more often than it does, just like a guy who throws triple digits will eventually lose a step. But I'd never thought about it that way.
3. According to Baseball Reference—this phrase is analogous to "a blogger mentioned this interesting stat", at this point, but I'll keep citing my source—Chris Carpenter gets 31% of his strikeouts looking, against a league average of 26%, which sounds about right to me.
So it's the bottom of the seventh. You're Casey McGehee, 26, in the first regular playing time of your brief big league career. Your primary concern, to this point, has been getting people to pronounce your name correctly. You're out to bunt over the first baserunner the Brewers have all day, and it doesn't work, and then he gets picked off. So I ask you: what on earth are you supposed to do with pitch #6?
That's an 86 mph slider on a full count. Check your swing, walk back to the dugout.
4.
W
L
ERA
G
IP
H
R
ER
BB
K
2005
21
5
2.83
33
241.2
204
82
76
51
213
2006
15
8
3.09
32
221.2
194
81
76
43
184
2007
0
1
7.50
1
6.0
9
5
5
1
3
2008
0
1
1.76
4
15.1
16
5
3
4
7
2009
2
0
0.00
4
23.0
10
1
0
4
23
Alright, baseball powers that be? I'm not taking it for granted. I know how absurd it is that he's 100% Chris Carpenter after appearing in five games in two years. Consider this my anti-jinx offering. I'm not saying that he's throwing a no-hitter, just that—just that people might want to look up at the scoreboard, because something cool is happening.
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Something cool alright
Unless you’re an absolute diehard or perhaps enjoy putting yourself through torture, I might suggest switching the channel when the cardinals are at bat—it’s how I’ve watched the last few games and the pitching performances have been a treat to watch, especially when decoupled from the incredible ineptitude of the offense. Oh, unless you want to watch our offense so you can one day tell your grandkids you witnessed (according to Bernie’s analysis) possibly the worst offensive month ever during the La Russa era—one perhaps not all that far removed from being one of the worst offensive months in Cardinals history:
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by mattyp on May 26, 2009 7:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The most frustrating thing
is that if we’d hit even vaguely well this month we’d probably be about 5 games clear at the top of the standings. The number of one and two run defeats following quality starts has been particularly galling.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on May 26, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watching at my mom's house
My mom generally gets too nervous to watch a game all the way through from first pitch to last out, so she putts around the house with brief stopovers on the couch to watch a few batters at a time. Well, she came in, saw Carpenter retire two straight Brewers to end an inning. She then said that she had whatever she had to do, but wanted to watch the Cardinals bat. I told her, “No, Mom, you don’t. You want to watch Carpenter pitch. Go get that done and come back for Carpenter.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GOB to Cards
good news = Carp’s back w/ 0.00 ERA
bad news = you sacrifice your offense
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by gocards62 on May 26, 2009 8:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll take this tradeoff
If the Cardinals make the post-season, I’ll settle for less offense if I’ve got a guy throwing three times in a seven-game series who possesses a 0.00 ERA.
The offense will correct itself. But Carpenter’s performance at this point is the more important key to long-term success.
by JWO on May 26, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll take
almost any tradeoff for the post season
by spencegrif on May 26, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need something to put a charge into these guys
Is Larry Walker available?
by paposse on May 26, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
crap
i’d take your avatar…he’s probably better with the bat right now than 2/3 of our offense
by VolsnCards5 on May 26, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and by avatar
i meant your profile picture…still not sure if thats the same thing
by VolsnCards5 on May 26, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now
Cody MacKay is better than 2/3 of the offense.
I’m only half kidding.
by paposse on May 26, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is this mystical "Mac"Kay related to BigMac in anyway?
:P
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
by StLHugo on May 26, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wish...
there is a guy by the name of Garret Atkins though. He is struggling this year, but a change of scenery may do the trick because he can flat out hit. (and he is a right handed 3rd baseman) It makes too much sense to happen.
by hghallstar on May 26, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the first rule about Chris Carpenter...
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 26, 2009 8:41 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
i want to punch our offense in the face
like seriously, make them look like zeva at the end of the NCIS season finale
carpenter deserves better than this…if wainwright is to be believed, he has officially make 2/5’s of our pitching staff "ace"y and this is how our offense treats him…colby needs a breather, duncan needs a steroid injection, molina needs to get right, and pujols needs to stop trying to do it all
makes me so mad
by VolsnCards5 on May 26, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guarantee you, the
hitters themselves are way madder about it than you are.
My question is, when is Colby gonna have that breakout game … 4 hits, 2 for extra bases, 6 RBIs, 4 runs, etc. You figure the guy’s gotta have one dominant game now and then, right? I mean, if Gary Bennett can do it ….
by MdRedbirdFreak on May 26, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when he commits to going to left field
he is so pull happy right now
by VolsnCards5 on May 26, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is due for a true hot streak
even when he was batting in the 6th spot and hitting HR’s he wasn’t really hitting all that well, and still isn’t. Only 15 for 73 in May.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...and I'm wanting an Allen Craig call-up!
by RunninRedbird on May 26, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
spoiling the finale!
Ziva had it better. She put up a fight.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 26, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
also sorry if i spoiled the finale…i figured a week was enough time
by VolsnCards5 on May 26, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It took me two to get caught up with House
WHICH WAS AWESOME!!!!!!
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by azruavatar on May 26, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes it was
best character on television….and its not even close
by VolsnCards5 on May 26, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going for Omar Little myself
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on May 26, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your Omar Little
and raise you an Al Swearengen.
(I do love me some Omar, though.)
by peach concrete on May 26, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
House is good
But for my money, it’s Tommy Gavin.
by Anonymous Communist on May 26, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when hasn't it been is my question?
I wish there was more Cameron (not necessarily the character) and I liked Kutner but it as close to perfect as there is on TV.
"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." - Red Barber
Yeah, I'm a loser...
by nomar34 on May 26, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is House going to be clean next year and able to walk pain-free
like after he healed from being shot?
by STLRegalia on May 26, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't stand Kutner. Hated his character.
I also find 13 to be ungodly bothersome.
I miss Chase and Cameron but Taub has been a nice addition.
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by azruavatar on May 26, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, according to maxim, thirteen is the hottest woman on the planet
on that i cry “FOUL”…brooklyn decker didn’t even make the top 100, and that is sad
by VolsnCards5 on May 26, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1 ranking
probably stemmed from her willingness to make out with chicks. Maxim probably values that ability more than other rankers.
by STLRegalia on May 26, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree & approved
kutner was a douche. i can’t figure out why they dumped C&C for 13.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on May 26, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just watched it last night :)
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
by StLHugo on May 26, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Gibby have this problem in 1968
Shouldn’t he have won 30 games? Instead, we never scored when he pitched. It’s the fate of being great, the other team plays up to your talent, if only for one game.
Just win
by The Duke on May 26, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
in addition to
the Gibby year, in the 80’s (the Whity Ball Era) there was a number of batting slumps like this one. Drove fans crazy.
by ridgesee on May 26, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The difference
is that both of those teams were capable of playing small ball and stealing bags to create offense. This club isn’t built that way, so our offensive struggles are magnified because you can’t turn base hits into doubles and triples.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on May 26, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mad Hungarian
I haven’t check the game thread. I’m sure someone caught this yesterday. In the first inning, they were discussing the Wild Card. Al, of course, said that at first many people thought it was meant to drive up attendance, but that it saved many clubs’ postseason hopes. (As if the two are mutually exclusive.) Then he went on to say that the 2006 St. Louis Cardinals were the beneficiary of the Wild Card. Of course, Dan remained silent. Was Al pre-gaming with Shannon? The ‘06 Cards won the worst division in baseball, narrowly eeking out the hated Astros for the division title. I then thought, “Well, maybe Al means we indirectly benefited from the Wild Card.” But, we didn’t play the Wild Card winner, who had a better record than us. The Wild Card winner was L.A. who played the Mets. We played San Diego. How does the analyst of our announcing crew on our flagship station not know this by heart?
Secondly, Joe Strauss is dead to me. Not that I liked him as a writer all that much—well, I have never liked his work. But this guy honestly posted this after the sixth inning: “”http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/commishs-hot-stove/commishs-hot-stove/cardinal-beat-updates/2009/05/carpenter-perfect-through-six/" >Carpenter Perfect through Six!!!" Now, he seems to have been provoked by the AP, according to the post, but he still typed this:
No Cardinals pitcher has thrown a no-hitter since Bud Smith hurled his masterpiece against the San Diego Padres on Sept. 3, 2001. Carpenter is currently at 63 pitches — 44 strikes, 19 balls.
Shouldn’t he know better than this? I mean, c’mon. I wouldn’t even tell my mom why she needed to watch Carpenter pitch for fear of jinxing the greatness I was watching. I had my laptop and thought about hopping on VEB, but fears of virtually discussing a no-hitter being the spoiler stopped me in my tracks. Yet, here is grizzled beatwriter Joe Strauss breaking the traditional no-hitter protocol.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Talking no hitters
I once had a job that brought me into close and regular contact with sportscasters all over the country. For a kid who grew up listening to distant night games on the transistor radio under his pillow, it was a dream job to talk to people like Jack Buck, Harry Caray, and Vin Scully.
I got to know the Yankee “trinity,” Red Barber, Mel Allen and Phil Rizzuto, pretty well, and Allen became a special friend. As luck would have it, I spoke to all three of them shortly after Dave Stewart and Fernando Valenzuela threw no hitters on the same day in June, 1990. All three were eager to talk about the remarkable event and all three said the same thing; if they were broadcasting either game, they wouldn’t even mention the other one until their game was over, or the no-hitter broken. When I asked them why, they all said the same thing:
“You just don’t do that. You don’t say those words.”
These were three intelligent guys, all of whom knew superstition when they saw it, but they understood that some traditions are bigger than logic. Allen, who was fascinated, but not convinced, by the then-new interest in statistics, suggested that Bill James do a study to see how many no-hitters were broken after an announcer referred to it. He said he knew the results would be meaningless, but he also said that he wasn’t going to be the one to challenge them.
I suspect that many announcers do it now because they have to create and maintain a sense of drama, and they lack the pure skills of the real champs of the booth who could do it with subtlety and nuance. They’re afraid they’ll lose their audience, who they think lack the attention span or the smarts to figure out on their own what is happening.
The cat is fine, thank you.
by Intheway on May 26, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh
Vin Scully said the words “x outs from a perfect game” some 87 times when he called Sandy koufax’s PG in 1965. Announcers are pretty much ignored by the GOB, I think.
Bloggers (and blog commentors), otoh, should know better. The GOB read every word we say.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on May 26, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And meh right back at you.
Scully wasn’t one of the three sportscasters to tell me how they would have handled the dual no hitters. They were Barber, Allen and Rizzuto.
Bloggers, , blog commentors and those who would comment on others, should read a bit closer before hitting the post button, don’t you think?
The cat is fine, thank you.
by Intheway on May 26, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only if they want to avoid offending the GOB
that’s a Big Problem. Offending some dude on the internet, not so much.
Though I think you misunderstood my lighthearted sarcasm as an attack, which it wasn’t meant to be. i was just making a joke about the self-importance of internet posters vs broadcasters and I think it went over your head. Hang around a few game threads and watch the intricate medley of jinxes, attempts at called shots, handsome fellah references, etc and you’ll get a better idea of what I was shooting for.
With that in mind, it was quite ironic that you responded the way that you did ;)
Also, I have to believe Scully outranks “Barber, Allen and Rizzuto” in the pantheon of sportscasters; he’s called a few more of them in his career. And while you didn’t say “scully didn’t do it”, you did say “many announcers do it now” as if they didn’t do it in the past, which is clearly untrue from listening to Vin Scully’s calls from 40-50 years ago.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on May 26, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been here for a while, Sleepy,
I know how things work. Your “sarcasm” just wasn’t that funny, and that last paragraph of defensive self-justification is really sad. I said nothing like what you implied, but you do get an A for effort.
Look, all that happened here is, you took a shot at what I said and missed the point. I You tried to pass it off as “sarcasm” when I pointed that out. No big deal, but you’ve got an awfully thin skin for someone who claims to be an oldtimer around here. It’s no good if you have to tell me you’re funny. It kinda takes the edge off it.
I know many people who agree with you about Scully being the best there ever was. I’m one of them. I never said I preferred the three Yankee broadcasters, only that I got to know them and like them.
And just so we’re clear on it, when I say “many announcers do it now” what I really mean is “many announcers do it now.” If I were you, I’d spend more time working on drawing inferences when you get that “sarcasm” thing up to speed.
The cat is fine, thank you.
by Intheway on May 26, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was funny.
Also, don’t see the “thin skin.” I see someone being diplomatic.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
chill out, dude. i interpreted sleepy's comment exactly the way
he apparently intended it.
first para: “while some commentators avoid saying it, vin scully is one example of someone who said it a lot and nothing bad happened.”
second para: “we blog commenters are slaves to superstition and will scrupulously observe the rule regardless”
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 26, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've said it better
than Sleepy ever did, without trying to be clever.
Thanks.
The cat is fine, thank you.
by Intheway on May 26, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1, except that he left out the part
about blogfolk taking ourselves too seriously.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
by SleepyCA on May 26, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on that
I thought the gist of your first post was pretty clear, and Intheway is trying way too hard to be offended.
by BTown Birds fan on May 26, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's done all the time now
All these sports stations need something to talk about. I found out about it from MLB network’s scroller thingie. None of these guys want to be the last to mention it.
by sdrone on May 26, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest.
If we won the worst division in baseball. Then the two other division winners were better than us. Seeing as the other two divisions are the east and west. It pretty much means that we made the playoffs because the Wild Card was added when we went to 3 divisions.
I could explain the math to you if you would like.
by BirdsonFire on May 26, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
superstitious
I was at the game yesterday and actually refused to leave my seat for anything in fear I might screw it up for him.
by gdowdy3 on May 26, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goold
jinxed the last opportunity (i think it was pineiro taking a no no into the 7th or something) via twitter. i was pretty shocked, bc this time he and leach stuck to the “something special’s going on” mantra.
by spencegrif on May 26, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had to listen on the radio
and Rooney not only said that, he said, “Carpenter perfect through six, we’ll be back shortly.” (OK, so I paraphrased everything AFTER the comma. Stupid.
by stlfan on May 26, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whew!
I thought it was my fault ’cause I starting recording the game around the fifth inning. (Just in case, you know?)
by ArkansasTravs on May 27, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it petty of me to want to see Suppan destroyed tonight?
I almost don’t even care if they win. I just want to see Suppan get hit by this team the rest of the league hits him. I don’t know how many games it’s been exactly, but I do know the Cardinals have NEVER beaten him as a Brewer. That’s aggravating as all get out.
And if that’s impossible, can we at least beat the Brewers ONCE this year? I mean, you think it would accidently happen or something.
by cloistermaximus on May 26, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sup definitely has the birds' number
But if it makes you feel better, he’s been mostly terrible against everyone else. Maybe if he beats the Cards a few more times the Brewers will go out and extend his contract. See, some good could come out of this.
by paposse on May 26, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha...the old let sub-par pitcher dominate you in order to have his team sign him to extension
so rest of league can pound him, thus giving you a chance to beat them in the standings trick….i love it
by VolsnCards5 on May 26, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Tony is always 5 steps ahead of us.
by paposse on May 26, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al explained it
Suppan dominates us because of our “rookie and young hitters.” The offspeed stuff is just too much for them to handle.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which makes perfect sense
Because almost every pitcher in the big leagues has a breaking pitch, and we can’t hit anyone these days.
by mojowo11 on May 26, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 10th
I didn’t get to see the 9th and 10th yesterday and haven’t checked back through the game threads.. but was wondering why K-Mac was still in after pitching 9th and getting into trouble in the 10th. With 2 outs I would have thought it might have been time for Perez to bring in the slider of doom or for Motte to just throw it hard.
Which reminds me, is Chris Perez still on the team?
by paposse on May 26, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea, he closed out the second royals game
real question: is blaine boyer/brad thompson still on the team…and why?
k-mac probably should have been pulled after the walk, but at the same time i can see the ride with him die with him attitude
did colby strike out on three pitches in the 9th? what happened?
by VolsnCards5 on May 26, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colby looks to be pressing
he is back to “HR every AB” mode, someone needs to remind him to start taking walks again.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
by StLHugo on May 26, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought his approach was poor yesterday
He did work a walk in his first PA and laid off some tough down-and-away offerings from Gallardo. In the third, he had a decent PA, even if he struck out. He took two fastballs away to work a 2-0 count, then swung and missed at a high fastball. He took a pitch that I thought was a ball for Strike 2 before chasing a nasty curveball into the dirt (which Pujols also did so I’m having trouble faulting the swing). After that, his approach seemed as if he decided before the pitch what he was going to do. In the sixth he was swinging at the first pitch, a fastball up and away, which he lifted to Cameron’s glove in center. In the 8th, he struck out looking after not taking the bat off of his shoulder for three consecutive fastballs. He just looks like he’s pressing.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC
Yes, and he never swung the bat. The first pitch appeared borderline on mlb.tv.
KMac’s 10th was fine. Error by Barden on an easy groundball then a groundball deflected by Kmac with a great play by Ryan to get one at first. If the ball gets through it’s probably a double play. Intentional walk to Fielder, groundball to Albert with a force at second, late relay cutoff by Albert, then single to Hall. He pitched very effectively with only the last pitch making it out of the infield. Probably gave the Brewers five outs that inning.
by ubeddie on May 26, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cutoff by Albert seemed to tick KMac off..
has anyone seen a replay enough to tell if the runner would’ve made it for sure.
by ADMDrayson on May 26, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The runner was there
I thought K-Mac was yelling because they didn’t turn the double play, not because Albert prevented it. Maybe he was a little upset with himself over deflecting the ball.
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 26, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed that too
I think he was just mad that they didn’t have a chance to get the out… the runner woulda been safe
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game sitting near first base
It wouldn’t have been close, he was there easily.
by mojowo11 on May 26, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to save the bullpen I assume
The only reason I see for KMac being used that way was to save the pen.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
by StLHugo on May 26, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maximize the bullpen
The way the Cards are hitting, TLR had to assume it was going to take at least 10 more innings to score. He was going to need every reliever out there for multiple innings.
by TNTinCO on May 26, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are a bit overworked these days
Tony’s running them out there once, twice a week. I’m surprised their arms haven’t fallen off.
by mojowo11 on May 26, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant in the sense that TNT mentioned
if this game went to 15 innings and we were left with Rasmus on the mound or something silly you might complain that he could have used some guys for more than an inning, but since it ended in 10 innings we get to complain that he used the guy too much, when you are in an extra innings situation in a game where hits have been in frequent you sometimes have to keep your bullpen close.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
by StLHugo on May 26, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KMac didn't look too bad
Barden error on a routine GB play at 3B killed him, really. He only gave up one hard-hit ball, and the walk he gave up was close I think.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on May 26, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that pitch to Hall wasn't horrible
might have hung a little, but was low and outside. Good job of going with the pitch. Maybe the cards’ hitters will notice that when watching the game tape?
by STLRegalia on May 26, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I pretty much blamed the Barden error myself
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time to break out
the one-size-fits-all slump-buster…
Go The Other Way, Boys!!!
The reasoning being, if one tries to hit the ball to the opposite field, you’ll still put off-speed “slop” in play. Gallardo was pretty nasty yeserday, as well as Carp…
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on May 26, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think Colby, Dunc and Yadi
just need to go out and find a plump chick for a night…or weekend… preferably different chicks, though.
"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." - Red Barber
Yeah, I'm a loser...
by nomar34 on May 26, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I really hope Yadi cheats on his wife so he can start hitting again.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because that's
the most important thing in life – hitting.
by Toddius on May 26, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicks, man.
/Joel McHale
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by azruavatar on May 26, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oops forgot Yadi was married...
he will have to figure something else out…
"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." - Red Barber
Yeah, I'm a loser...
by nomar34 on May 26, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, Spants,
I know you’re gettin’ your lady parts all in a bunch, but let me tell ya sumthin’: any woman that would get mad that her husband was steppin’ out so that he could get back off the schnide isn’t the kind a woman that a ballplayer needs in his life. After all, the money he makes hittin’ the ball is what bought that stove that she should be standing in front of.
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 26, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yadi
got his contract before he could hit.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
then he can get a better contract nex’ time, and buy her a bigger oven.
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 26, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worked
for Tony and Carmela…
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It shore did.
And as long as Yadi doesn’t stop believing, it’ll work for him too.
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 26, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Except
for when Carmela cheated on Tony.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, snap. That's right.
Yadi, watch out! That bitch is crazy!
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 26, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you
want to win the tongue-in-cheek, fake-misogyny sub-thread? You win.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh.
I was running out of material anyway. I’ve really got a pretty limited range.
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 26, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what sucked?
I watched Sopranos when it first came on, for several years, then changed TV providers, and didn’t have HBO. Couple years later, I get HBO back, start watching it again, and have absolutely no clue why they’re separated, and all this other stuff. Giant pain in the ass trying to get caught up.
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 26, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More of the same, basically.
She’s sick of his infidelity; he thinks she should put up with it. He’s betrayed and furious when she has a romantic connection with one of his men. Plus some violence. Yadda yadda yadda.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the average 2.5 F-bombs
per sentence each character drops every episode.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...and I'm wanting an Allen Craig call-up!
by RunninRedbird on May 26, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they need Luddy back
so they don’t have to be exposed all of the time
by BirdsonFire on May 26, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kiss AP Goodbye when he hits Free Agency
Pujols refused comment as he left the clubhouse. Naked within the lineup, he has six RBIs in May, including only one in a stretch of 36 at-bats in which he is batting .306 with 12 walks and one home run.
Looks like AP is getting as frustrated with this offense as we are. I see absolutely no way he chooses to stay with this team if they make no effort to surround him with legitimate offensive threats. He can make more money and play with overall better talent by signing with the Yanks or Red Sox.
TRADE FOR DEROSA!!!
by Cuttah on May 26, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hopefully
after next year….which is when i figure an extension will be started…we will have colby as a good to great major league hitter and wallace as a great major league hitter…maybe ludwick will still be around as well….but yes, i agree, we need to make this offense better if we are going to keep AP as a cardinal for life
by VolsnCards5 on May 26, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's a silly statement
The “no money and better talent” idea has always been there.
by sdrone on May 26, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're becoming quite the concern troll over here
I think you’d fit in over at stltoday.com a little better
by stlhulsey on May 26, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It does seem a bit reactionary
After facing one of the best young pitchers in all of baseball with two of our three starting OFers injured, I doubt Pujols rushed out of the locker room thinking, “That’s it. I’ve had it. Today’s game was the final straw. Come 2011, I am out of St. Louis.” For one thing, his avoidance of the media is pretty well-documented. For another, a lot can change in three years. Just compare 2004 to 2007, or 2005 to 2008.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yawn
If you don’t like what I have to say, don’t read it.
TRADE FOR DEROSA!!!
by Cuttah on May 26, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alarmism
I take your reaction to mean that you believe Pujols did in fact rush out of the clubhouse yesterday thinking, “That’s it, mang, today was the final straw! We are one game out of first place and have four months of baseball left, but in two and a half years, I’m going to Boston or New York!” Forgive me for bringing up the reactionary nature of this conclusion. Don’t post such alarmism here if you don’t want pointed out just how alarmist it is.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's
not how this works. People are allowed to critique posts.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fail to see how that was a critique
and not an attack. But whatever. I guess it was a bit reactionary, even though I still believe what I said to be true.
TRADE FOR DEROSA!!!
by Cuttah on May 26, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if you don't like criticism for emoting reactionary comments
Don’t respond to them.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on May 26, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if we don't read it
then how will we know that you are alarmed about pujols?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Relax, don't be so reactionary
3 of our best 5 hitters are on the shelf right now (Ludwick, Ankiel, Glaus). Skip is the only guy who’s played well offensively this month, while Barden and Thurston have come back to earth after their stratospheric starts. Duncan is clearly not a 4th place hitter (that’s Ludwick’s job). We’ve gotten only 5 starts out of Carpenter, and one of those was a short outing, and WW just starting pitching well in his last two starts. All that, and we’re a half game out of the division and leading the wild card right now.
If you had told the VEB community that Ludwick, Ankiel, and Glaus would all miss most or all of the first two months, Carpenter would miss a month, Greene would hit like it’s 2008, Wainwright would have an ERA near 5 in his first 6 starts, and Pujols would have a sub .800 OPS month in the first two months of the season and that we’d be a half game out of first place, they’d have called you CRAZY!
Piniero, Rasmus, Lohse, and the bullpen have all outperformed expectations up to this point, while Barden and Thurston outperformed the wildest expectations the first month. The Cubs have fewer players injured than the Cards do and they’ve lost 8 straight games, are under .500, and are 5 games out of the division on May 26th. Clearly, the sky is not falling.
Pujols hasn’t been Pujolsian this month, and it isn’t because they’re pitching around him, it’s simply that he isn’t hitting, he knows it, and he’s frustrated. This is his worst month in terms of OPS in his career. He’s more upset with himself that he isn’t producing than he is with the state of the team. It’s baseball.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on May 26, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, all good points.
but aren’t we 1.0 game out of the division?
by STLRegalia on May 26, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...my bad
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on May 26, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why does rasmus always get a free pass?-
Piniero, Rasmus, Lohse, and the bullpen have all outperformed expectations up to this point, while Barden and Thurston outperformed the wildest expectations the first month.
How is .304 OBP and a .327 slug out preforming his expectations? Im ready to get past this slow start…
by Evilfrog on May 26, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's like Cesar Izturis in 2008
But in CF and 2009.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only we really didn't expect Little Cesar to hit.
We were kind of hoping Rasmus would help a LITTLE!
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on May 26, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine Rasmus' WAR if/when he does start to hit
Granted, it is due to injuries, but even without hitting, Rasmus is second-best in terms of WAR on the club. Just think if he were putting up a .270/.350 BA/OBP.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
people should really be complaining about all the injuries than anything else
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd even go as far to say
3 of the top 4 hitters are out. I’m not sure who else you have in the group of 5. 3/4 sounds more dramatic.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on May 26, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So one bad offensive month
in Albert’s 9-year career with the team has him so frustrated he doesn’t want to play here anymore?
Riiiight….
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...and I'm wanting an Allen Craig call-up!
by RunninRedbird on May 26, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
but you don’t think he’s noticed, like the rest of us have, that the talent level around him has gotten progressively worse since he started playing here?
TRADE FOR DEROSA!!!
by Cuttah on May 26, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm....No
We did have Rolen and Edmonds in their prime. Raz and Wallace have a chance to be just as successful offensive players, but in different facets of the game. Many of the other players we had around on the team were league average veterans that cost more than they were worth. If Pujols has noticed the talent level has gotten “worse”, then he’s also noticed that this is just a temporary process of bringing the developing farm system into the Majors.
Guys like Duncan, Yadi, Waino, and Schu are better and cheaper than the other players that have occupied their positions in the past. And Perez, Motte, and McClellan look to be better than the majority of our other BP pitchers over the past 8 years.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...and I'm wanting an Allen Craig call-up!
by RunninRedbird on May 26, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
and we still have Carpenter.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
And that Ludwick guy isn’t too bad either.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...and I'm wanting an Allen Craig call-up!
by RunninRedbird on May 26, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and there's that little thing called injuries too.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on May 26, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not that much worse
and if our injured players could play, it would be about equal
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the refused comment
was to a question about “Why did you swing at such a shitty pitch in the 8th inning”. But then again, maybe the interviewer did ask AP about his contract extension.
by ubeddie on May 26, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where did you get that quote?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on May 26, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel Out (Again)
The P-D reports that Ankiel may not be available until Friday:
Manager Tony La Russa held Ankiel out of Monday’s lineup and afterward admitted Ankiel’s sore right shoulder made him unavailable for the 1-0, 10-inning loss. La Russa expressed optimism before the game about Ankiel’s availability today against Jeff Suppan. However, after speaking with head athletic trainer Barry Weinberg immediately after Monday’s loss, general manager John Mozeliak said “there’s hope for Friday, maybe sooner.”
Ankiel apparently aggravated his right shoulder when he slipped on the Busch Stadium warning track in Sunday’s eighth inning.
So, what are the odds that Go-Go-Joe and his .700 OPS make an OF start between now and then?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've said it before,and I'll say it again
These guys manage the DL like an asshole. Meanwhile Ludwick is just fine, killing the ball in BP, waiting for his time to end.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on May 26, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get the analogy at all --
but then, I’ve never managed an asshole.
The Cardinals do seem perpetually caught off guard when guys aren’t ready after they rush them back from the DL. It’s not like Ankiel was lighting the world on fire before he left so they rushed him back because. . . right. The Cardinals are just disgraceful with their roster management this season. Too many middle infielders, too many relievers and now activating players that are still hurt.
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by azruavatar on May 26, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don't manage your own?
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 26, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a robot.
Although, I am an asshole and I guess you could say I manage myself. . .
This requires more though.
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by azruavatar on May 26, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Denis Leary?
Man I love that song :)
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
by StLHugo on May 26, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
94.86%
Although shouldn’t they just start Skippy in LF and Thurston at 2B? I don’t understand why this wouldn’t happen.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on May 26, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's too obvious
TLR doesn’t like doing the obvious thing. The Schumaker Experiment is working; TLR has a starting second baseman—only to be shifted to the OF in the late innings as part of a triple or quadruple switch.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you find it funny
when Macha screwed up a double switch yesterday? My buddies and I found it hilarious when he was arguing after it was clear that he didn’t announce the substitution correctly to the home plate umpire.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on May 26, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I found it hilarious...
until Bill Hall (who was involved in the botched double switch somehow), lined one to the right-center field wall.
It seems like managers have really been screwing up with the basics of lineups and substitutions disproportionately often this young season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has been odd
Just in the last week or two there was a batting out of order incident in a Stros game and the mis-filled out lineup card in the Rays game that caused them to lose the DH.
by OCCardsFan on May 26, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so thats what the delay before hall's at bat was
man i have been trying to figure out why there was such a long delay since the game ended
by VolsnCards5 on May 26, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually the umps used a technicality
He didn’t provide the home plate umpire the change before Hoffman took the mound. I suspect that happens all the time. Perhaps it was in response to Macha using a technicality in Houston. The argument was that Hoffman hadn’t actually hadn’t taken the mound.
by ol Pete on May 26, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep Stav in the lineup then
LF Dunc CF Rasmus, RF Stav.
Yesterday Stavinoha was the only guy up who I thought would actually hit the ball through the infield. Had Gallardo no snared his first inning liner he would have had a hit and RBI in the first again.
This is how sad it is right now.
by paposse on May 26, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost feel more comfortable with Schu at the plate
than about anybody, even Pujols at times lately.
Almost.
by STLRegalia on May 26, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were two pretty hard hit balls right at Gallardo
Can’t remember the other one though. Man this is a frustrating month. With a week of amazing pitching in the middle…
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on May 26, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other one was...
Thurston. Somewhere between innings 5 and 7 I think.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on May 26, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the ball stav hit
up the middle that Gallardo gloved wasn’t hit hard at all. It was hit off the end of the bat and would have been fielded by a middle infielder. It certainly was not going to be a hit unless Gallardo deflected it away from a fielder.
by chuckb on May 26, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well my crystal ball says
it would have been a hit.
by paposse on May 26, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have to agree...
Thurston’s shot to Gallardo was DRILLED and would have made it through the infield.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on May 26, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
26 Wins
Is nothing to scoff at. In a world of real-time reactionary technology, I understand we all need to vent and worry on blogs, titter, facebook, etc. But, the Cards are still playin ball. Still in the thick of things. Still capable. That’s all a player, like Pujols, can ask for. I doubt he’s running for the hills due to a down month, when the team is 1 game out of first place.
by mattysha on May 26, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to check out this titter you speak of
sounds like a good new technology
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've been trying to do that my whole life
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on May 26, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
twitter, not titter
head in the gutter, i guess.
by mattysha on May 26, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As DanUp wrote in the main post above...
That type-o would please Freud.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I'll take the hits for being pedantic, but ...
“reactionary” doesn’t mean what you think it does. The word you’re all looking for is “reactive,” I believe.
The proper use of reactionary in a baseball context would be to describe Joe Morgan’s attitude about Moneyball.
by MdRedbirdFreak on May 26, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or the chief of police in Malibu
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on May 26, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
heh
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"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like
your jerkoff friends and I don’t like you…jerkoff!
(For those of you unaware, I’m simply quoting a movie, not taking an unsolicited shot at Alxfritz.)
by chuckb on May 26, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(For those of you unaware, unsolicited shots at Alxfritz are acceptable.)
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by azruavatar on May 26, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As are unsolicited shots from Alxfritz.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I question
whether a shot at Alxfritz could possibly be considered unsolicited.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on May 26, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find shots with alxfritz
much more enjoyable.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on May 26, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't argue with that
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on May 26, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard La Russa diss Moneyball twice in the last week
Once in a post-game interview, another in an open question show on 550 last nite. In the interview he said something to the effect of scoring first being the only part of Moneyball he believes. When asked about stats last night he more or less dismissed them, outside of – you guessed it – matchup stats (“if someone is 10 for 17 you play them over someone that’s 2 for 17”).
by astrostl on May 26, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, TLR values what amounts to one of the most valueless* stats
least valuable
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he is probably a top 5
manager all time, certainly top 10.
So…..is he defying the odds, or are the things that he believes in really important?
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 26, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does this mean
he would be the greatest manager of all time if he would be more reasonable?
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who are the top 10?
Did they also not adhere to stats and make decisions off of less than optimal data, like, for instance, a player being 4-for-7 off of a pitcher? He has never defied the odds because of the lag between new information about baseball and the managing pool. When you look in dugouts across baseball, you don’t have a lot of progressively minded managers looking to become more informed in their decision-making processes. You do have a lot of managers who decry stats and believe in proven veterans, though.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which part?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He probably would
be. What a shame.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, this appeal to authority (TLR is a HOF manager!) stuff gets really old.
albert einstein spent a large part of his life actively trying to disprove quantum mechanics because it didn’t fit with his illogical preconceived notions.
oliver wendell holmes — america’s premiere judge and legal scholar, without whom we would not likely have much of what we recognize as basic civil liberties — also believed that “mental defectives” should be sterilized and wrote the immortal line “3 generations of idiots are enough.”
thomas jefferson, who did more to promote basic equality than pretty much anybody, held slaves.
just because somebody important, intelligent, and successful believes it to be so does not make it so.
instead of just saying how great tony is, you could actually look at the research on things like the statistical value of pitcher-batter matchups. it is out there.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 26, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A different of signature lines
tom s.:
the trust can’t hurt you, it’s just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark — macmanus
SoonerfanTU:
“Stats are for losers,” Muschamp said after last week’s victory. “I like winning games.”
I think this sums up the difference in each of your approaches, the flash point of the daily discussion.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course the 2nd gentleman
realizes that wins and losses are … statistics!
Doesn’t he?
by MdRedbirdFreak on May 26, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apples and oranges
But I’m sure you already know that.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 26, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course, they are not all the same, in every respect.
primarily, because the examples i gave were of extremely talented, intelligent, world-changing men. tony, on the other hand, is a guy whose primary challenge is to decide whether he wants to use two relievers or three in an inning.
but the point was a very broad and general truism that “just because somebody important, intelligent, and successful believes it to be so does not make it so.”
so unless you believe that tony is MORE authoritative in the field of baseball than, say, einstein was in the field of physics, saying “apples and oranges” doesn’t allow you to hid behind tony’s W-L record.
it is just as illegitimate to say “batter-pitcher matchups must be valid because tony believes in them and he’s a HOF manager” as it is to say “quantum mechanics must be bunk because einstein thinks god doesn’t play dice with the universe.” we have to argue about ideas, not people.
the point is that everyone has their flaws, even the elite among us.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 26, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no flaws
My 11 toes and I are perfect in every sense
by STLRegalia on May 26, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"What about Abraham Lincoln?"
“Um… he gave poisoned milk to school children.”
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on May 26, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
…he would be defying the odds if other managers did the things that most folks around here would consider “right.” But they do not. They rely on small sample size matchups, “hunches,” and tactics that fit baseball around 1920. So, since LaRussa does the same dumb stuff as his colleagues, than his wackiness is hidden to a certain degree.
As for why he has so many wins…good players and Dave Duncan. Duncan has helped make underachieving pitchers aces, or at least good enough, and this has led to consistently solid, if mostly unspectacular, pitching staffs. La Russa has also had the benefit of coaching some great players both in Oakland and in St. Louis. Since managers really do not have that much impact on a game (i.e. they can’t make half-time adjustments, call hundreds of plays, create a 48 or 60-minute substitution pattern) in relation to their coaching colleagues, than it really comes down to the players you have. And La Russa has had many great ones: Canseco, Henderson, McGwire (twice), Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds, etc. That is why La Russa has had a great career.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on May 26, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to pick a fight
but what’s to say that
the things that most folks around here would consider "right."would work better than what the managers in league are doing? If all of his colleagues are doing the same thing and none are doing what the majority on this blog thinks to be right, how are we to know that it would work? There appears to be no sample.
(not backing TLR or statistics, just throwing it out there)
by STLRegalia on May 26, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sample
It’s tough to measure objectively. I don’t know that we can ever really measure what a manager is thinking when they make a decision but for through the media filter. We know that TLR covets head-to-head matchups, which is often silly. If he were to use platoon splits over the span of careers, now that is more representative.
An example before I head out the door. Who is to say when a manager puts a batter in the #2 slot because he can get on-base? We know TLR seems to reject this philosophy due to his coveting “damage” in that lineup position. I don’t think anyone reading this blog would agree with what TLR seems to suggest: Having someone with power bat in front of Pujols is better than having someone who gets on-base more often bat in front of Pujols. Talk amongst yourselves…
Go Cards!!! Knock Suppan out of the game in 4 IP! (A guy can hope…)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if he started this before
but the first “power” bat I remember in the 2 hole was Larry Walker, & Edmonds & Duncan & Ankiel & Ludwick & Help me out on the rest, but with Walker & Edmonds it was power guys who had a good OBP, and might double themselves or a runner on first into scoring position for Pujols. The other 3 I thought was mainly because he wanted young guys to see a lot of fastballs and good pitches in front of Pujols now that 1B open is about a 98% chance he’ll get an IBB?
I could be wrong though
by STLRegalia on May 26, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We really don't
Ultimately it is all about the players you have. Baseball is a game of such random variation that even doing the by-the-sabermetric book says likely won’t work some, or maybe most, of the time. The best we can say is that doing things like stacking high-OBPs at the top, limiting sac bunts, blocking steals from all but the best stealers, and ignoring small-sample size data SHOULD work, based on sabermetric probabilities. However, old tactics are still likely to lead to wins, either directly or just-because-someone-wins. So who knows. If you have bad players, no matter how you deploy them is likely to result in losses, while good players are almost hard to lose with.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on May 26, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good players are almost hard to lose with.
Except when they are wearing Cubs jerseys in October.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on May 26, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Then how do the Yankees not win 125+
games a year?
That may be an exaggeration, but still.
IMO, what makes a baseball manager good, is being able to win games when you lose your studs. Being able to put players in a position to make the most of their abilities. Managing attitudes. Getting your team to play hard 160+ times a year. TLR is one of the best at that. I’m sorry, but the rosters he has had while managing in STL, while they’ve been solid, I’d argue he’s never had the best NL roster for much of a season. I could possibly argue that he’s never had one of the top two NL teams on paper in any of his seasons, injuries considered.
As for the arguments above…..if all the funky metrics mean SO much, how come nobody ON THE FIELD is talking about them? How come we haven’t seen a rush of new managers that take advantage of this? Instead, we trot out the guys that actually know what it takes to win games. Not what a bunch of guys that never sniffed the minor leagues think.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 26, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+0.5
Not quite one because I don’t totally agree with your last paragraph, but I completely concur with your first one. I don’t always understand exactly why Tony does the things that he does, but he does seem to do more with less than any other manager out there. Yes, the Cardinals have had some talent since he’s been here, but you could also say that he’s had some pretty bad teams and made them look pretty good, the 1996 team especially.
On your second point, most of our “funky metrics” do a lot more to evaluate certain players on their abilities and tell us who might be better in certain situations, and you are seeing teams use these in conjunction with scouting more than ever before. There are certain managers who do use these metrics to help them create lineups, but those are few and far between. In my mind, the front office should be tasked with finding and developing talent, and the managers should be the focal point of getting players mentally and physically ready to play by what they see with their eyes and what they hear in the clubhouse. I think Tony does this about as well as anyone, although having clubhouse leaders like Yadi and Albert (and Carney Lansford and Dave Henderson in Oakland) doesn’t hurt. He seems to have a knack for putting players in a position to succeed and has a long track record of doing so.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on May 26, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the yankees don't win 125+ games a year partially because they ignore some
important “funky metrics” like the defensive metrics you like to deride. last year’s yankees defense was an affront against all that is good about baseball.
and there are teams that do what you say. the red sox, the rays have both taken on a lot of “new” metrics in shaping their rosters. i don’t know how much it gets incorporated at the on-field level, but there sure are teams out there who take stats to heart and succeed.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 26, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
One reason
new managers aren’t taking advantage of this (that we know of) is because they are usually former players (from an era without general sabermetric knowledge), and they are hired to manage personalities. Many new GMs are sabermetrically inclined, as they should be.
Some of the players playing right now are aware of sabermetrics (Milton Bradley!), and some of those players will eventually become managers. They will be hired to manage both personalities and numbers. We’re just not there yet.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
baseball is just old school
and I doubt if NOBODY is talking about them on the field. I’m guessing the next decade they will be commonplace
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"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if all the funky metrics mean SO much, how come nobody ON THE FIELD is talking about them? How come we haven’t seen a rush of new managers that take advantage of this?
It’s because baseball men are like sticks in the mud. They don’t like change, or are too close to their situations to evaluate situations and players objectively. They’d rather go on what they “know.” It’s not because what sabermetrically-inclined folks are wrong. It’s because the people running baseball fields don’t want to change what they believe is the best way to do stuff. Luckily, GM’s are generally smarter.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on May 27, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because their players aren't necessarily that good
Last year they had a garbage defense and a poor pitching staff. They could hit, I suppose, but you have to pitch it and catch it too, and they weren’t good at either. 2005/6/7…same thing. Talented offense, but guys like Jeter, Posada, Matsui, and Cano are average at best and brutal (ahem Jeter ahem GIVE BACK YOUR GG’s ahem) at worst. That cancels out a fair share of their offense. This year, their defense is really no better and they have a weak bullpen, which is a shame because their rotation will be amazing over the course of this season.
Like I said, baseball is about run scoring and run prevention. The good teams do a little of both. The average teams do one or the other well, or maybe both okay. Bad teams are either atrocious at one or at both. Managers can’t make crappy players play better beyond helping boost their spirits, but I’m not sure that alone makes water into wine.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on May 27, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matchup stats
If one more person says that playing “matchup stats” is stupid, incorrect, or something that makes no sense to do if you “understand” stats, my head is going to explode. (Ok, so it won’t actually explode – this disclaimer was necessary because of the inevitable “one more person” that was going to respond to this message.)
A small sample size is only an indication that you cannot prove causation (or a strong correlation, or maybe even any correlation at all) between two events. BUT having a SSS does not disprove the existence of an underlying correlation!!!!!!! In fact, if someone is 10 for 17 against a pitcher and someone else is 2 for 17, you should start paying attention because that’s pretty good evidence of an underlying correlation.
The other thing is that TLR has more evidence at his disposal than the mere numbers to justify matchups. Let’s say there are two possible second baseman (Thursty, Schu) slated to face “x” pitcher. Thursty is 2-4 against said pitcher and Skip is 2 for 11. Now, let’s say Tony plays the “matchup” and plays Thursty but everyone agrees that Skippy is the better hitter overall and that the “stats,” but for the matchup stats, say you should play Skip over Thursty (let’s leave defense or rest/health out of the equation for a sec, though these may play a role in real life).
Underlying TLR’s choice could be the knowledge that Skip told him he doesn’t see the ball very well against said pitcher (perhaps the two hits Skip got were mis-hit balls that were lucky to fall). TLR then asks Thursty and Go-Go tells him that he really see the ball well against said pitcher (and perhaps his two outs were smoked but were right at people).
In any event, all I’m saying is that WE only have access to the stats (which are limited in many respects), but TLR is not restricted to this. (Notwithstanding that he may have even more advanced stats at his fingertips that inform his decision-making that he does not discuss to the media – he may “play” that he is only an old-school guy).
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 26, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what's making me feel worse about this offensive slump?
the fact that I just looked up Adam Kennedy’s stat line
small sample size (67 PAs) but 1.152 OPS
by mattyp on May 26, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Scott Rolen Pt. 2: The Rolening!
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 26, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
It’s not like the Cardinals are paying AK to play for…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oakland...
In case you left off because you didn’t know.
by stlfan on May 26, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't mean he would/could have done that here though.....
And if you keep him, good chance Rasmus doesn’t make the team, b/c Skip would still be in the OF.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 26, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it doesn't mean that
I just always resent paying a player to play well for some other organization. It stings for some reason, even if, rationally, there’s no way that line would appear beneath that player’s name if he were in a red helmet on FS Midwest.
I’d imagine TLR’s public condemnation of AK probably added some to the fire lit beneath him to perform and that playing under the mind-gaming TLR likely would have suffocated him. The same is probably true for another cast-out Cardinal, Scott Rolen, who is now playing for laid-back, hands-off Cito Gaston in Canada. Still, it’s amazing how the players TLR has run out of town are performing this year, don’t you think?
Rolen: .303/.371/.447/.818 (only 3 HR)
That’s not MV3 Rolen, but MV3 Rolen is extinct. I still think the Glaus trade made by Mo was a great trade in the wake of TLR publicly saying Scott Rolen would not be his starting third baseman. All of that said, Rolen is having a pretty solid early season, producing at a level I’d kill for from our third basem(e)n.
Kennedy: 67 PA/.441/.507/.644/1.152
Is AK going to OPS 1.152? No. Is AK going to hit even .300? Probably not. But, right now, he is OPSing 1.152 and in the midst of a historic offensive funk (where our new starting second baseman is the only bright spot). It just stings all the more. Surely, this 1.152 OPSing MIFer could play LF over Thurston! Or so I tell myself before coming back to the reality of AK in STL under TLR, which is DOA.
No one disliked the AK signing more than me. No one groaned more loudly when he would dig into the batter’s box than I would. Nonetheless, AK was a valuable player last year, just as he was this year. His $4MM was not sunk cost until TLR sunk it. Does Skip’s .770 OPS erase AK’s defensive prowess? It just might, if Skip’s defense improves. And really, Skip’s salary of $430,000 is the primary reason I’m still okay with dumping Kennedy. We’re paying $4.4MM (or, is it $5MM?), basically, for our second baseman. It might as well be Skippy over a dog-house-tethered AK (even with his nifty glovesmanship).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe if Kennedy would have stayed on the Cards
he wouldn’t be hitting like that… he had to show that he is still ready for the majors, so he stepped it up a notch.
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh I wasn't really making any judgment about our releasing him
just kind of musing at the tragic irony that one of the few players on our payroll who is producing offensively…doesn’t even play for us
by mattyp on May 26, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know your offense is in a bad spot
when people are wishing we had AK back.
TRADE FOR DEROSA!!!
by Cuttah on May 26, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot the part about
he’s opsing > 1.1 right now
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot the part about
ridiculously small sample sizes
TRADE FOR DEROSA!!!
by Cuttah on May 26, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot the part about
how we could really use somebody that could OPS 1.1 for the next 67 at-bats or so.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on May 26, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
the chances of Adam Kennedy OPSing > 1.000 for another next 67 at bats are very very very slim
TRADE FOR DEROSA!!!
by Cuttah on May 26, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I'm not arguing that at all.
The liklihood of Joe Thurston or Brian Barden doing that are probably just as high, but we could sure use it just the same.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on May 26, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he'll still be playing some plus defense at least
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True. Very true.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on May 26, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but Offense from 2B doesn't appear to be a problem
Granted, this would allow for skip to play in the OF, but as somebody said somewhere earlier, then Rasmus wouldn’t have made the big club. He probably would have been the first to get called up after the injuries, but then what after they get healthy?
by STLRegalia on May 26, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make a very good point.
As horribly as they hit, I miss the defense of AK + Iz2 up the middle
TRADE FOR DEROSA!!!
by Cuttah on May 26, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss neither
and no amount of bad play from this year’s MIF will change that for me. They have Izturis X 2 (one is back in AAA now) and skip is about the only position player hitting well
by STLRegalia on May 26, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you watched much for Ryan at SS...
in 2009?
That kid has made some spectacular plays that VERY few other big leaguers would make.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on May 26, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the T Greene + B Ryan infield was nice
at least defensively, both are slick and have decent range, or at least it appears that way
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
by StLHugo on May 26, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*shakes fist in the air at the universe*
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KAAHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on May 26, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly!
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
things are so bad offensively
I could go for a little JUUUUAAAAAANNNNN right now
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on May 26, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My most disapointing moment of the off season was watching them let Lopez walk.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 26, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at batting practice yesterday
And Ludwick was zooming around the bases at full speed. He seems to be 100%. So there’s some good news, right?
by mojowo11 on May 26, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
it will be like trading for a MVP type player
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*potentially MVP type player
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too Funny
by cardsgirl95 on May 26, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Use the 2nd link
to open in a new page. My linking skills still need work. Sorry.
by cardsgirl95 on May 26, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hysterical
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on May 26, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outstanding.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on May 26, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh. that made my day.
like a wedding reception gone horribly wrong.
mel
by mel1975 on May 26, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow. did anyone read the
comments at the end of this article? I started and couldn’t stop. Like a train wreck. I’m pretty sure I lost brain cells in the process.
mel
by mel1975 on May 26, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: how do you unsuscribe from SB nation blogs
i’m a member of 2 that i don’t want to be
any tips?
by VolsnCards5 on May 26, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you've commented, there is no undoing it
If you haven’t, click on your icon in the upper toolbar and look at the icon for said blogs and there will be a link to unsubscribe. Also, if you have other blogs you’d like to push up your menu in the toolbar, there is a choice for that in the same place, something like make this blog a favorite.
by ol Pete on May 26, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The deification of Chris Carpenter
For the last two years, Chris Carpenter was remembered in our minds as the guy that dominated the league in 2005 and destroyed the Tigers in the World Series. He was a living Bob Gibson (sorry Hoot, you ain’t dead but roll with me). He was the Bob Gibson that COULD be walking through that door. When he’d come back, Anheiser-Busch would be bought by a nice boy from Iowa, GM would once again be a private company and money would grow on trees. He would single handidly lead us to those divisions we pissed away in September the last two seasons.
It was a fairytale, he couldn’t ever be that good. He wouldn’t be the strike throwing, pitch-dancing, lineup chewing machine that would be utterly perfect. He’d have flaws, he wouldn’t be nearly as good as our memories made him out to be.
HOLY SHIT, HE’S AS GOOD AS MY MEMORY MADE HIM OUT TO BE.
When he starts flying in from the bullpen on unicorns, I’m never going to doubt nostalgia ever again.
by Hardcore Legend on May 26, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 14 recs
unicorn enhancing is illegal
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 26, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This post better be green by the end of the work day.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Are you thinking Pegasus there?
Or maybe you were thinking that Carpenter, while not pitching consecutive no-hitters, would have the time to litterally teach unicorns how to fly?
Personally, I wouldn’t put it past him.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on May 26, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably a Pegicorn
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on May 26, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's with the wierd
“StL” logo on Carp’s cap yesterday? Have the Birds changed their gear without my knowing about it?
by MdRedbirdFreak on May 26, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
memorial day cap
every team was wearing a version of it, much like the blue caps last year
by FunkeeC on May 26, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The purpose of the Memorial Day cap?
Is it just to sell more merchandise? I really hope not. I hope they had each player sign his cap and then auction them off to donate to a veterans’ group. However, I doubt MLB would do that.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
it’s definitely for merchandising.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but i believe proceeds do go to some veterans group....
by FunkeeC on May 26, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and yes if you look at the product when buying on mlb.com...
Worn on-field to show support for the Welcome Back Veterans Foundation, see below
- A portion of proceeds from sales will go to the WBV fund
by FunkeeC on May 26, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to know
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What portion?
I take issue with this type of thing. If you give a shit about an issue, just donate some money to the group. Cuts out the middle men.
Besides, many organizations aren’t transparent about how much money they actually donate. Sometimes it’s “a percentage of proceeds goes to blah blah blah,” and other times it’s more specific. When these things are done, I prefer to see the words “for every item sold x dollars will be donated to y fund.”
/rant
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The
Stars & Stripes caps are selling for $3 more than the regular authentic caps. MLB may be donating “a portion of proceeds from sales” (whatever that technically means) but they raised the prices to make sure it doesn’t come out of their end. And then they can write off the donation.
Just write a $3 check to WBV.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but i don't get an ugly cap!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 26, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In forgoing
the cap, you are doing your country a real service.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
points for properly using forgoing v. foregoing.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 26, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you expect anything less?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just going off of memory
With no evidence to back it up, but don’t some guys get better after Tommy John surgery? Isn’t McClellan one of those guys? If the answer is yes, then I just had an epiphany.
What if Carpenter is even better now than ever before because he had TJ?
Just a thought.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on May 26, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no comment
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 26, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally OT:
Can we get a throwback uni with this hat, sans patch?

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 26, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1944 World Series Champs (in the all-St. Louis Series)
However, that was not the cap the ‘44 Redbirds wore. We wore a navy cap with red bill and red “STL” logo. As an aside, Musial hit .347/.440/.549/.990, leading the NL in OPS and hits, only to finish 4th in the MVP voting. Cards’ SS Marty Marion won the MVP with his .267/.324/.362/.686 line. He must’ve been gritty or something…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 26, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's like David Eckstein winning the MVP award
wow
TRADE FOR DEROSA!!!
by Cuttah on May 26, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up

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