The Sweep: Choose Your Own Explanatory Adventure
It's a great day in St. Louis, and you're trying to make sense of the Cardinals' inexplicable sweep of the Hated Cubs after a rough series in Milwaukee. If you think team momentum has shifted, flip to LEDE ONE. If you think the team played poorly last week, and really well this week, flip to LEDE TWO. If you want to leave Diane and Berk behind and explore the dark cave, flip to LEDE THREE.
LEDE ONE
Momentum has shifted, after that neutral-site series in the Slough of Despond, and it feels pretty good. I'm not a member of the pitching-wins-championships fraternity, and I never have been, and to be honest I'd rather see a 5-3 game than a 3-1 game. But I'll give the sportswriters of that esteemed group this: good pitching makes a team feel invincible in a way that good hitting doesn't.
I mean, travel back with me, if you will, to the last Cardinals-Cubs sweep, when Gary Bennett pulverized the Cubs and earned himself a lifetime pass with a two-out walk-off grand slam, which is really just dramatic excess, at that point. (Backup catcher hits game winner? Sure. Home run? Sure. Two outs? Well... alright. Grand slam? This is the part where the producer suggests you remove the baseball-following guardian angels from your screenplay.)
At any point in that series did you feel that they could not stop Gary Bennett? I might be wrong, here, but I didn't. I may have joked about it and then pretended I wasn't joking after I looked Eerily Prescient, but I was never honestly expecting Gary Bennett to put the team on his shoulders.
But after Joel Pineiro got going in game one—say, by the fourth or fifth inning—I felt good about the game, even after the nightmares visited on us by the series that wouldn't end. I'm skeptical of his season-long chance at success, and I don't normally feel confident heading into a Pineiro start, but at that point I began to think—that's a little too charitable. I began to feel: they can't touch Pineiro tonight. Then Carpenter after that, and Wainwright—new and improved Wainwright—after that? The Cubs didn't stand a chance. If the Cardinals had won that first game because Jason LaRue had hit three home runs I would have been able to make more cheap Camaro jokes, but I wouldn't have been nearly as confident.
If you're going to continue to watch the Cardinals now that they've righted the ship, turn to ENDING TWO. If you've had enough, turn to ENDING ONE.
LEDE TWO
This is exactly why team momentum is a bankrupt concept. The Cardinals came into this Cubs series looking like garbage. They couldn't pitch, they couldn't hit, and every move they made turned out poorly. One of their players more or less announced, in a heartbreakingly quiet way, that he wasn't ready to play baseball. The pitching was a catalogue of frustration.
And in the Cubs series—despite rolling into the most pressure-packed rivalry in the NL with no momentum at all—they pitched beautifully. Different pitchers but the same team, in the same clubhouse, with the same murky forecast. Pineiro threw the game that Dave Duncan has been waiting for his entire life, just six fly balls, just five strikeouts, and then Chris Carpenter came back and showed he was healthy, and Wainwright came back and showed that he, unlike the rest of the rotation, had gotten over his love affair with the base on balls.
And the team did the little things, even, the things that teams who are dogged by a losing streak are supposed to fumble. The important run in the Pineiro game was scored thanks to a sacrifice hit and a steal of third base by a player who wears his socks in the little-things fashion. The Carpenter game was sealed by a sacrifice fly from the player who needed it not just as an athlete but as a human being, and the dugout—which had to have been a morgue throughout the last series—greeted him with genuine affection, the kind that isn't quite captured in the concept of team chemistry.
If you're going with momentum, here, you can say that changed things—the mood shifted, things seemed possible once Ryan ran down third base. And they did seem possible. But if Lilly strikes out Molina instead of Duncan, what happened in the moment between the stolen base and the strikeout? Or if Khalil strikes out and his team has to pat him on the back and say he'll get them next time, where did the momentum go? If it's powerful enough to ruin a pitcher's command on a game-by-game basis, how can it shift on such a dime?
At this point, even if momentum exists, why write about it? It only means that they're not playing well right now, and that at any moment they might be ready to play well, often for an extended period of time. It can only be given to and taken away from a team in hindsight. It has no predictive value, and very little descriptive value, which makes one wonder what value it has at all.
These Cardinals are capable of wonderful things. They've got players with very particular skills, like Pineiro's control and Ryan's grace on the basepaths and afield, and when those skills are in effect it's a lot of fun to watch. And when the particular skills aren't in effect, it can be a nightmare. I'm sure this is true of a lot of teams, but these Cardinals have a lot of patched holes; there's not a lot of room for average on a team that starts Joe Thurston across the diamond from Albert Pujols.
If you're resigned to the ebb and flow of baseball, the frustrations and the ecstatic, fist-pumping, goatee-rattling victories, turn to ENDING TWO. If you're determined to find some order in this chaotic baseball world, flip to ENDING THREE.
LEDE THREE
You take the flashlight from Diane and head into the cave. "Be careful!" she says.
You shine the light down the center of the cave. That bat's in there, alright, and he has Diane's necklace! But by the time you two make eye contact, he's gone. Does that mean—could it mean—
If you're pretty sure the necklace isn't worth all that much, anyway, and want to leave the cave, go to ENDING ONE. If you're ready to move further into the cave, turn to ENDING THREE.
ENDING ONE
"Hey!" Berk shouts. "Remember what the bat did to Mr. Whillicker's dog!"
You remember—how could you forget? Your hands are shaking pretty badly, but by the time the bat's cries begin to echo louder and closer you've found some solid footholds and begin your climb back up to the mouth of the cave.
Light and fresh air greet you at the top, and as you pull yourself up by the tree stump you walk back to Diane. She'll be alright—you and Berk mean more to her than some old necklace, anyhow.
ENDING TWO
Baseball lends itself to patterns because it's so long and daily a grind—players do incredible things one month, teams seem to fall apart the next. And the whole thing can be read down the columns of a box score or Baseball-Reference's game logs and encapsulated in moments like Bennett's grand slam or Pineiro's shutout.
I can't honestly say whether it's a cause or an effect of some amalgam of factors, but sometimes team just Come Together. The Cardinals had several things in their favor heading into this series—Carpenter's return, Wainwright's one-start return to form, Rasmus's blossoming power—and they managed to cash in every single positive chit in their favor, along with plenty that nobody could have expected. Whether it was a confluence of those circumstances and luck or a team-wide desire to turn things around I can't say. But I'm glad it happened.
ENDING THREE
As you climb deeper into the cave things get so dark that the flashlight can barely show you the edges of the big bat, which seems to be leading you someplace. Its squeaking gets so quiet that you remember what Diane's mom said when you first saw it in the neighborhood: It's probably as afraid of you as you are of it.
But as the cave opens wider all of your empathy vanishes—the bat charges toward you, Diane's necklace glinting in your flashlight, so quickly that you hardly realize what's happened when it's got you in its talons. Before you can fight it off it's flying you off of the ledges and into the open center of its lair!
This must be how Mr. Whillicker's dog felt! You don't know whether the bat is really a vampire or not, but now that's hardly your most pressing concern. A particularly rough flap knocks the flashlight from your hands, and it seems to fall forever before it splashes into an underground lake and the big hall goes completely dark. You're afraid of heights.
THE END
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Why isn't there an option for . . .
“if you think the Cardinals merely won out in a battle of the less pathetic offense and aren’t actually on a momentum swing or playing well, flip to _ "?
Because that’s the road I wanted to take . . .
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on May 22, 2009 7:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Debbie Downer
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cynical Chuck
Unenthusiastic Uberto
Paulie Pessimist
Repugnant Richard
Gale Gloomy
Billy Balky
ok…I think I’m done
by STLRegalia on May 22, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sullen Sally?
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you for at least
giving me the male versions.
And call me a fan of Unenthusiastic Uberto. That’s awesome.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on May 22, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff
I think your articles might well be my favourite on the site right now, and against RB and Chuck that’s pretty high praise.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on May 22, 2009 7:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This was fantastic
and posted before 7 am my time. I think you win a prize of some sort…choose your own :)
mel
by mel1975 on May 22, 2009 7:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm hardly the grizzled and wise type...
but I like to think that I’ve been following baseball enough that I’ve reached a reasonable statistics free conclusion about the unpredictability of any given team.
1) great teams generally perform greatly and there is very little doubt about them making the postseason
2) bad teams generally perform badly and there is very little doubt about them not making the postseason
3) the bulk of the MLB. There’s a large range in-between these two extremes where most teams spend their time. Any given team within this type 3 can get “hot” or “cold” but not as hot as the truly great teams (ie 2004/05 Cards) nor as cold as the truly bad (2007 Cards). Depending on the breaks (injuries, division) these teams may or may not make the playoffs. Based on percentages (only 8 teams make the playoffs), the odds are against it, but at least 5-6 of them do and will make it every year
4) the Cards are currently a type 3 team
5) type 3 teams can beat a type 1 team in a short series, but over the long haul are inferior
6) I never have cared much for the Cubs. In fact, I dislike them.
by Scarecrow7775 on May 22, 2009 8:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So you think the Cubs are a Type 1 team?
I would have to disagree.
by stlfan on May 22, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there's a
Type 1 team in the NL Central. All the teams have strengths, though. The Brewers can hit and pitch (but only pitch when they play the Cards), the Reds can pitch, the Cubs can pitch and hit a little, the Cards can pitch a little and hit.
by Toddius on May 22, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there really a “Type 1” team in baseball? The only team that I would put as a sure thing for post-season play is the Dodgers, and I don’t think I’d classify them as a great team. I’d say that there’s three types of teams in baseball:
1) Competitive teams.
2) Non-competitive teams who have the potential to spoil a series for competitive teams.
3) The Washington Nationals.
by Lost In NC on May 22, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What type were we in 2006?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Type 2
In that analysis…good team in a fairly weak division that could beat good teams but had a penchant for getting throttled for a week at a time.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on May 22, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice analysis Jeff Van Gundy...
I didn’t know you posted on a Cardinals blog, nice to finally know who you are though!
Seriously though, that’s the JVG argument about the NBA too. There’s 5 teams that start the season with no chance of making the playoffs and don’t compete well against anyone (this year that would be the Grizzlies, Clippers, T-Wolves, Wizards, and Kings) and 5 teams that are elite and can beat most other teams even when they don’t play well (2009: Lakers, Cavs, Celtics, Magic, Spurs). The rest of the teams can beat anyone on any given night and the differences between those teams is minor.
If you classify teams this way, the entire MLB is really in the type 3 category. I don’t think there’s a single team right now that falls in the type one category and only one that would be considered in the type 2 (Nationals or Natinals)
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on May 22, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I'd really call the 2007 Cards TRULY bad
Inconsistent, yes. Not great, certainly.
But they were hardly the 1998 Expos, nor as bad as some fo your early ’90s vintage Cardinals.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on May 22, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to admit
great read. Nicely done DanUp.
by paposse on May 22, 2009 8:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know what?
I don’t find this very amusing. At all. At. All.
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 22, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry...
there was no lede or ending for that choice. choose again. :)
by stlfan on May 22, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody got eaten by a snake, though
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by Alxfritz on May 22, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still angry about that after all these years.
There was just no warning! No inkling that, “hey, you’re about to get fucked up by a giant snake!” It was ridiculous! Here I am, cruising along on some alien world (the CYOA book in question was a space exploration one), and of all the things that kills me, it turns out to be a nap on a beach. Son of a bitch!
The weird thing is, it was almost like this very existential, hateful statement on what real life is like, right there in the middle of a children’s adventure tale. “Sometimes, no matter how good you think things are going, no matter how innocuous your choices seem to be, you’re going to end up screaming on the way out of the world. Fuck you. Oh, and thanks for playing.”
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 22, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I felt the same way about some of the CYOA plot twists
I remember one where I was being offered some gift by a bunch of aliens or monsters or something. It turned out that if you accepted their first offer, it was considered rude in their culture and they killed you. But if you turned down their second offer, it was considered rude in their culture and they killed you. WTF was I supposed to do with those completely random, arbitrary outcomes? Ever since then I’ve never trusted monsters or aliens or whatever the fuck they were.
by BTown Birds fan on May 22, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You ended up on ending 3, didn't you.
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on May 22, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
weirdly
I don’t think I’ve seen the 2009 Cardinals. They did meet the one criterion I was looking for, namely how they bounce back from adversity, but down the stretch … other than crossing off Glaus, I don’t know if Ankiel’s neck and shoulder are right, if Carpenter’s [random body part] will remain right, if Ludwick’s hammy will be right, if Khalil’s head will get treated right (by an experienced professional, please), or any number of ineffable things like hidden injuries leading to slumps.
This year, I believe the questions of the rookies, the lower tier starters, and the keystone will shake themselves out as the bullpen has. But. In previous years, at some point there was a basic idea of who was available for TLR’s musical lineups.
As is the sad, underlying theme of the oughts, I don’t know which injury is permanent yet.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2009 8:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thursday May 21st
Joe Thurston starts in Left Field.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on May 22, 2009 8:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And the World didn't end.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 22, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A baby seal walks into a bar
The bartender asks him “What can I get you”
The seal responds “Anything but a Canadian Club on the rocks”
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on May 22, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. That is some quality stuff right there.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on May 22, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was just
A baby seal walked into a club…
by STLRegalia on May 22, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it should have!!
Milt Thompson FTW!
by gossard56 on May 22, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR's lineup
Am I the only one who feels like he sends the message that he doesn’t care about winning the game with his lineups after we’ve won the first two games of a series? I mean, Go-Go-Joe in left? You knew it would happen. It’s almost like TLR held back on activating Ankiel just so he could play Thuston in the OF…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rick isn't healthy.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 22, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he isn't
And neither is carrying 13 pitchers on the 25-man roster. Go-Go-Joe wouldn’t be go-going around the OF, nearly barreling into real outfielders if we weren’t overstocked in the RHP Relief Department.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who exactly.....
Would you have started out there? Robinson? Stavi?
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 22, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know this isn't addressed to me
Robinson isn’t on the active roster right now, Stavi was already playing RF. We only have THREE outfielders (not counting Skip) on the active roster. That’s horrible roster management by whomever. I’d have put Dunc out there, to be honest, even against a lefty.
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 22, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since Robinson is in Memphis, no
Since Stavinoha started in RF, that would preclude his starting in LF because The Infection is no Amaury Marti. My point was the fact that we are severely shorthanded in the OF while being severely tallhanded in right-handed relief pitching, which makes no sense.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And aside from Robinson
Whom in AAA is an option?
And remember, I’m pretty sure Robinson’s slugging % would preclude him from starting in a corner OF spot for YOU, correct?
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 22, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd settle for Robinson over Go-Go-Joe and his slap-hitting
I’m not opposed to slap-hitting as a rule, just when it comes from corner OFers and results in a slugging percentage of about .350. After all, we have injuries, and dealing with them when they are as abundant as they are right now may require a corner OFer with a sub-.500 SLG%. However, I don’t think that dealing with injuries should result in playing a sub.-400 slugging second baseman. I’m old-fashioned that way.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allen Craig
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 22, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Anybody else, maybe?
I don’t know, someone with more than 33 MLB innings in the OF? More than 60 OF games in the Minors?
The point isn’t that Thurston is an awful player or that Chris Duncan has been struggling overall or that one of our handful of other MIF’s should be thrown out there instead or that Schumaker has shown no ability to hit lefties. It’s that we have 3 legitimate outfielders on our squad and when we take one out of the lineup (plus the other guy with OF experience), we get stuck picking from unqualified guys to man left field. And we are limited to 3 outfielders because our field management feels that it is more important to keep an 8-man bullpen than it is to have enough quality batters available to fill in where needed. (And just because Wainwright or Welly can be called into the game as a pinch-hitter, and do nothing useful, does not justify short-staffing the bench.)
What should we do? Get rid of Thompson, a barely-passable long man who is rarely ever used as a long man. Or get rid of Boyer, our “Rule 5 project”, somebody who’s not really good enough to be pitching important innings this year, but we need on the team so Duncan has every day to convert him into a starter for next season. Or move one of the five capable short guys to free up the space for a 5th guy off the bench.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on May 22, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well put, sir
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FO mistake
IMO, the FO was banking on Rick coming back Thursday and kept the extra arm as insurance for Carp’s first start. That was their “thinking” in sending down Robinson to activate Carp. Now we got a problem, since Rick isn’t ready and, barring an injury, Robinson can’t come back for 10 days. Best laid plans alway end up biting you in the butt.
Sometimes it seems like the mgmt tries to make complicated manuevers to gain a perceived roster advantage for one game. Can any of the relievers play LF?
by ubeddie on May 22, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You knew it would happen
At least it happened when Ankiel and Ludwick were out. Hopefully it doesn’t continue after they get back.
by Merry CRasmus on May 22, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
put perfectly
I hate the idea of playing utility IFers in the OF. I’m sorry, but until Ankwick comes back, then actual outfielders have to play outfield, even if The Buffoon (Duncan of course) has to play vs. a lefty or our new 2B has to play OF, which is of course his actual fucking position, and again, hit against a lefty. But, no, LaRussa would rather stuff his head into the sand and stick to his slavish devotion to lefty-righty matchups, instead of sucking it up and playing guys in their normal positions. A near collision or some other kind of cluster-fuck out in the outfield is among the logical consequences of playing career minor league 2nd basemen in fucking left field.
/3-“fuck” post. Yikes.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on May 22, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thurston is lefthanded
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love that duncan now counts as an "actual outfielder."
i agree, it’s just different from what i’m used to seeing.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you like Thurston in left?
Did you like him almost taking out our prized centerfielder of the future?
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 22, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The result:
Thurston did not take out our center fielder of the future; therefore, the decision was not a bad one.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well played, good sir
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 22, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on May 22, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Raz had to do was call him off.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 22, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While that is true, you didn't answer my initial question
Did you like Thurston playing in LF?
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 22, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm indifferent.....
As long as it isn’t every game.
Seriously, I don’t like it or dislike it. I’d rather have Ludwick healthy and playing. But I like Thurston as much as Robinson or whomever else was an option.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 22, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm going to have to back you up here
its a long season. shitty looking things on the field will happen now and then, we had some bad luck with the outfield, etc. suck it up and hope it doesn’t hurt too bad.
by Expatcardfan on May 22, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hated it
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on May 22, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hated it
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on May 22, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did you see the postgame interview with Rasmus last night?
he said that he did call Thurston off the ball. He then said that he didn’t think Thurston could hear him. That might be the case , but one would think that a regular ol outfielder might have been ready for Rasmus to call him off.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on May 22, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it looked like Thurston had plenty of oppurtunity to see Raz tracking that ball.
Isn’t the CF suppose to have the right of way?
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CFer
rules the OF.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 22, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless there's a second baseman patrolling a side field, apparently
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep because he looked so good out there last night.
For someone that’s so dependent on what they see, your willful blindness must be crippling at times.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on May 22, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty sure.....
Thurston came into the STL organization as “being able to play LF”. He was no more “shaky” in the OF than Duncan is, plus he has the speed to make up for some of it.
I’m not one that bashes Duncan’s defense. It isn’t always pretty, but he gets to the balls he should, and catches most of them. Why do I care if he looks like a goof while doing so? Thurston showed a little of the same last night.
TLR went with a small lineup, and gave Duncan and Skip the day off. Having Thurston in LF, defensively speaking, probably didn’t change the outcome of the game at all, even if we’d have had Vince Coleman out there. Or any other LF for that matter.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 22, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offense as much as defense
I’m in the camp who believes you probably shouldn’t ever start a player in a corner outfield slot who is slugging .382 for the season in 118 PAs, who has slugged .351 in 191 careers MLB PAs, and who has never slugged higher than .462 in his minor league career. It’s like putting Adam Kennedy or someone out there. Oh, wait…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Then who plays when your regulars need a day off? Too bad we don’t have a bunch of guys that can play corner OF spots waiting in the minors, slugging .500.
We have injuries. Deal with it.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 22, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sluggerbirds
I’d be okay with someone slugging .400 even. I’m saying it would be easier to deal with as a club, if we organized our roster better and had less of an overabundance of righty relievers and more of an adequate number of OFers. Ya know, like, say, four. Most clubs have five, by the way.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At what point can we finally say
having a middle infielder who doesn’t hit for power, doesn’t draw a lot of walks, and doesn’t regularly man the outfield is a mistake? Does he have to sucker punch Rasmus and then throw a ball that’s still in play into the stands?
You’ve got a rationalization for everything and an answer for nothing.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on May 22, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well.....
The easy answer is it has to start costing the Cardinals wins. Is there more to it than that? Sure.
I’m not sure what some of you think the alternative is. Our major league OF right now consists of Rasmus, Stavi, and Duncan. OF COURSE somebody that is “an infielder” is going to get some OF AB’s until Luddy and Ank come back. Would having Robinson in LF make you THAT much more comfortable?
My God.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 22, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The result:
The Cardinals won the game; therefore, TLR’s decision to start the .382-slugging Go-Go-Joe Thurston was correct.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Schumaker not the first choice of last resort in that situation?
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on May 22, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skip
…seems like the obvious choice, but then again, his OF defense hasn’t exactly captured anyone’s imagination so far this season. throw in his pool noodle of a bat against LH, squint, tilt your head a little, and you can just start to see what TLR was thinking.
by mikey_mac on May 22, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR
After a quick search, I couldn’t find it, but there was an article or blog post at the P-D which quoted TLR as saying he would not play Skip in the OF, even with Ludwick’s hamstring injury, because Skip was doing well at second and TLR didn’t want to mess with him.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which makes sense considering he trots Skip out there in the 8th or 9th all the time
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on May 22, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even did so the other night
vs. the Cubs. It’s sort of like carrying Das WunderBrad as our long man and then never using him as a long man is typically used.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
throwing a ball in the stands, related shenanigans
Opening night for softball last night and I actually got somebody to bite on the “oh crap, that groundball in the outfield got under my glove, I better go run for it trick” It felt kind of mean afterwards, but oh well.
by STLRegalia on May 22, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could've though
A few inches and that collision in the outfield leads to Rasmus or Thurston or both of them wind up with DL stints.
by lightbulb on May 22, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was Razs ball all the way. I read he tried to call him off but Thirsty Joe didn't hear him...
I am just a simple caveman but my bet is Joes lack of experience in the OF lead to that incident or maybe just that crazy go go style clogged up his ear drums or maybe Colby doesn’t have his man voice yet or maybe….
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The old man voice kicks in
shortly after old man strength
by STLRegalia on May 22, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Then it should be showing up anytime now.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looked like Raz blamed himself after the play
Saw him get up after the play, looked at Thursty and tapped his chest to say “my bad”. Anyone else remember seeing that?
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on May 22, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will watch it again on MLB.com but this is what I read this morning.
“I heard him (call for it), but then I thought he had a good bead on it, so I just tried to hit the deck,” said Rasmus, who had called the play early on, but Thurston hadn’t heard him.
“I was trying to get down so he could catch it,” said Rasmus. “It doesn’t matter to me who catches it, just as long as it gets caught.”
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
Rasmus called it initially. Go-Go-Joe was go-going so fast that the woooosh of the wind flowing over his ears precluded him from hearing Rasmus call it. Rasmus noticed this as Go-Go-Joe called it himself and Rasmus tried to get out of Go-Go-Joe’s way so he would get go-go-plowed into by the fleet-footed MIFer?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Video link..
here…inconclusive
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac land, either."
by all4tookie on May 22, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I saw it.......
but thanks anyway….
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on May 22, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus I was watching TVants feed (I was at work)
which showed the Cubs telecast……yuck.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on May 22, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you would've missed it
Cameramen would’ve been beaver-shooting.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on May 22, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I just looked again I couldn't really tell either. If Raz did call him off it was early on in the play.
But, man does that kid have some range.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love mlb.com
the headline of the page is “CHC@STL: Thurston almost collides with Stavinoha”
fail.
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
by BVHeck on May 23, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And like we haven't seen.....
Our regular OF’s do, or almost do the same things.
It happens. Alot, actually.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 22, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seems like Rasmus is usually involved
Rookie shyness?
by STLRegalia on May 22, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who had that in the pool?
"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." - Red Barber
Yeah, I'm a loser...
by nomar34 on May 22, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had April 13th
Who knew!?
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on May 22, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i think everyone had the under
and i thought it would be Brendan Ryan…way to go Tony, always keep us guessing…
"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." - Red Barber
Yeah, I'm a loser...
by nomar34 on May 22, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That brings up another interesting point.
Where was Ryan on that play? I thought he had above average range?
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Pitched Series
Teams have to be able to win both the high-scoring and low-scoring games. A 3-1 win is every bit as much a win as a 10-8 victory. The Cardinals outpitched the Cubs in this series. I was very surprised with how well Piniero pitched on Tuesday. I didn’t think Carpenter was going to pitch as well as he did on Wednesday coming off of the DL. Wainwright pitched a great game last night.
If you had told me that the Cardinals would only score 8 runs combined in the 3 games, I would have told you that the Cubs were going to sweep the Cards. Of course, it was the Cards doing the sweeping. The Cubs are pitching well, but they simply can’t hit right now. St. Louis had the better team the past 3 nights.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on May 22, 2009 9:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think a lot of people
underestimate how valuable both DeRosa and Aramis were to the Cubs last year, and it seemed evident to me in this series how much they miss both of those players this year.
That, and Derrek Lee just isn’t Derrek Lee anymore. Is there any talk about replacing him with Hoffpauir? That guy can flat out hit, why isn’t he getting a shot to play more often?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on May 22, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ramirez
I think the injury to Ramirez really exposed how much they miss DeRosa. Increasing this is the horrendous start Milton Bradley is off to so far this season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Replacing Lee
I would do so with Jake Fox. He is a mass-murderer of baseballs.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs are more inconsistent than the Cards
Pitching wins a lot of games. But this series also showed that bad hitting LOSES a lot of games. Soriano, as dangerous as he has been so far this year, couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat. The Cubs were, to use the British term, “GOBSMACKED” by how good the Cardinals pitching proved to be.
But… lets not get overconfident here. Dempster still pitched a damn good game. And the Cubbies weren’t awful. They just got cold for an away-series. Lets just hope the redbirds keep it together until all the other pieces (Ludwick, Ankiel, Glaus) get back into the picture.
by JWO on May 22, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my thought too
Lee looks like a mess. It’s hard not to have Hoffpauir starting.
by OCCardsFan on May 22, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right BUT
notice that Lee’s OPS is over 1 (or it was when I checked yesterday afternoon) for May.
Small sample size, etc… but he’s much improved in May.
by sdrone on May 22, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lots of chatter on bcb about replacing lee
pretty touchy subject, though.
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
by themanthemyth on May 22, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee
He has been hitting better of late with a 4-game hitting streak. However, I don’t think D-Lee is what he used to be either. As a Cubs fan, I hope Lee continues to improve his hitting, but that neck problem appears to be something that bothers him off and on. I, honestly, don’t think he will be able to consistently produce for any extended period of time because of that bulging disc.
If D-Lee has another month like he did in April, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Hoff take his place. If D-Lee continues to hit like he has so far in May, he’ll stay in the lineup.
I don’t know of any Cubs fan that agreed with that DeRosa deal. Even the few fans that didn’t like DeRosa thought he was worth more than three minor leaguers from Cleveland. I didn’t see any of those players listed as top prospects in the Indians organization.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on May 22, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 Cleveland farmhands...
and Grit.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The DeRosa deal
was clearly a payroll move so they could go get Bradley. For a team that is paying 5 different players $10+M per season, it seemed a bit rich that they needed to dump a productive player making less than that to bring in a high priced free agent who gets hurt all the time, when the player your trading has been the lynch-pin that has held together your ballclub because of his utility for filling in for guys who head to the DL.
It was one move this offseason that didn’t make a whole lot of sense.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on May 22, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It absolutely was
The Cubs couldn’t add payroll because of the pending sale. So, they had to be payroll neutral. In order to add Bradley, they dumped DeRosa. This is why, above, I noted that Bradley not hitting further magnifies the loss of DeRosa (as does Ramirez being injured—it’s really the worst case scenario after the deals). I hated this move for them and, to this day, don’t understand why they didn’t add the cheaper Adam Dunn or Bobby Abreu, keep DeRosa (who could be Dunn or Abreau’s late-inning defensive replacement), and then possibly add another arm to ‘pen. But, I’m not Mr. Hendry and was happy the Cubbies chose the path they took.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds gave them a big boost as well
by ol Pete on May 22, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That he did
And Fukudome is doing so this year in CF, so I don’t consider his not being back as big of a loss as DeRosa.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rob Neyer's "Really?" Post
His NL one had this “Really?” for the Small Bears:
Really, Chicago Cubs? You’re really not ready to give up on Derrek Lee, while Micah Hoffpauir (mostly) rides the bench and young Jake Fox rots away in Iowa? Have you really not looked at Lee’s lousy numbers since April of last year?
He also asked this “Really?” of the Cards:
Really, St. Louis Cardinals? With the return of Chris Carpenter, you’re really going to keep Todd Wellemeyer (5.87 ERA) in the rotation and demote prospect Mitchell Boggs (3.22)?
Apparently Rob didn’t check the Memphis box score before posting this “Really?” Boggs got shelled last night: 4 IP, 7 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 5 BB, 2 SO, 0 HR. The loan positive of that line is the 0 HRs. The rest of it is brutal.
Hopefully the vaunted baseball reverse jinx plays out this evening with The Colonel on the hill.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's bummed from being sent down
i actually agree with neyer…if welly has another shite performance, boggs should be called up to start
by VolsnCards5 on May 22, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, too
I meant to point out that it was inconvenient for Neyer that Boggs got shelled last night in AAA.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only he could loan the HR line to other starters.
/assbot
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on May 22, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee only has a .977 OPS for the month of May
And a 1.184 OPS in the last 7 days… What a Bum!
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on May 22, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, an homage to the 'Choose Your Own Adventure' Books
from my youth. Loved the books, love the post.
Goes to show good pitching overcomes a lot of offensive weaknesses. Waino seems to be back on track, Carp I’m keeping my fingers crossed, and with Ank and Luddy coming back this weekend, things are looking up for the good guys.
Thoughts on the Vikings, Buckeyes, and Cardinals
www.purplebuckeye.blogspot.com
by MilCardFan on May 22, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There is probably no correlation,
but I brought up CYOA books yesterday, so selfishly feel responsible for this magnificent piece.
Only got to watch the 1st inning of yesterday’s game, before leaving for softball, and got to hear a great annoucing moment.
(the following is paraphrased)
Len Casper: You mentioned yesterday that sometimes Pujols will admire a homeru…like that.
Bob Brenly: Well he usually hits them so far that there is no doubt.
Bob Brenly: He dotted the I out there in Big Mac Land
by STLRegalia on May 22, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we get one of those posts for our third base options?
I would be very interested to see the ending if one selects Wallace.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
best.post.of.the.year
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
by themanthemyth on May 22, 2009 9:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I agree. David Foster Wallace would be proud.
by santiagofish on May 22, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
captializing the Narratives
Something I’ve noticed reading Dan’s stuff lately is when he talks about a cliche narrative like the team “Comes Together”. This is ostensibly ironic, simultaneously acknowledging that story structure while undermining its authenticity. I’ve also noticed it in Deadspin specifically when they eviscerate sports writers. I feel like I’ve seen it somewhere else though. Is it a deconstructionist thing? I want to say I’ve read it ironically referring to the narrative of “Progress” or something of the like.
Danup, any insight on influences?
by spencegrif on May 22, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you lost me at ostensibly...
so now I have to go grab a six pack of franklins and a dictionary
by STLRegalia on May 22, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And see which one wins?
n/t
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on May 22, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hunter S. Thompson, maybe?
He loved the Ironic Capital Letters.
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on May 22, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
dunno where it came from
but it’s been done on the internet for decades.
When the only way you can express yourself on Usenet etc. is with text, you figure out ways to draw attention in different ways.
by sdrone on May 22, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
I remember the last place I saw it; Robert W. Merry’s Sands of Empire where he describes the Idea of Progress vs the Cyclical View of History. Weird book.
by spencegrif on May 22, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Further off topic...
…I’m reading Little, Big, by John Crowley. He does something really interesting: he capitalizes words to indicate that a fantastic or supernatural element is in play. For example, he’ll say, “Smoky wasn’t sure how he’d never seen this house before, but Somehow it had remained hidden for years.” The “Somehow” tells you that something (or, I suppose, Something) had used magic or some such thing to hide the house from human eyes.
by santiagofish on May 22, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I picked up the Capitalizing Things tic, I think,
from J.D. Salinger’s stories. Which is itself ironic, because as I remember it’s usually the phony people who do it.
by DanUpBaby on May 22, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i consider myself to be a smart guy
but this thread has lost me…
by VolsnCards5 on May 22, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and more importantly
are the talons sharp?
by Evilfrog on May 22, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No but chickens have large ones.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favorite post of the year.
Rec’d
"Attaway to stomp 'em. Stomp the piss out of 'em. Stomp 'em when they're down. Kick 'em and stomp 'em. Attaway to go boys. Pound that old Budweiser into you and go get them tomorrow." -- Joe Schultz
by taiko on May 22, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Adam's new arm slot
The fact that Carp pointed it out makes it even better. It was like Mr. Miyagi clapping his hands together and touching Adam’s shoulder.
Sweep the Cubs. Do you have a problem with that?
No Sensei!
by cloistermaximus on May 22, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Again,
I have to ask. Where was Duncan on this? How does your coaching staff not notice something that Carp identifies in a day?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't really know anything about the situation
so I’m not willing to throw anyone under the bus over it.
For all we know this is some big plot cooked up by TLR.
by sdrone on May 22, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What we know
We know that Duncan came out publicly and said that Wainwright’s problems was that he wasn’t throwing enough sinkers, per Bernie:
As a guest on my 101 ESPN radio show, Cardinals coach Dave Duncan idenitified a root cause for Adam Wainwright’s early-season struggles.
The answer?
Duncan said Wainwright must junk the offspeed stuff and get back to relying on his two-seam fastball to bust hitters low with an effective sinker.
We know from the initial Strauss piece that Carpenter approach Wainwright after a poor start on May 10th and watched video with him:
Pulled after six innings from another high pitch count start, Adam Wainwright spoke optimistically about detecting a flaw in his delivery. The bug has compromised his command and forced him to expend disproportionate effort in his six starts.
Teammate Chris Carpenter sat with Wainwright during Sunday’s late innings to compare video of his no-decision against the Reds against a look from his solid 2008 season. Wainwright was alarmed to learn his arm slot is “three to four inches, probably, five inches maybe” more vertical than typical last season. That has cost him movement on his fastball while forcing him to “push” pitches from behind his ear.
In Goold’s 10@10, previewing the Suppan/Wainwright Showdown of ’06 Heroes, we get this tidbit:
Wainwright will making his first start since identifying a problem with his arm slot. He hasn’t felt right about his delivery since during spring training, but a film session with Chris Carpenter identified a five-inch lift in his arm path — and he planned to use his bullpen at PNC Park to correct the swing of his arm so that he can have better success with his fastball.
We know that he then gave up a single run vs. Milwaukee after identifying the problem with Carp and then correcting it in his bullpen session:
Wainwright fine-tuned his arm slot between starts, pinpointing it as the source of a handful of so-so outings. The Brewers didn’t bat with runners in scoring position until the eighth, when Hart reached on an error and Bill Hall walked with none out, but Wainwright rallied with two strikeouts and a pop-up.
And, in today’s story on last night’s sweep-completing victory over the Cubbies, we get this:
Three starts removed now from a game that left him vowing to “pitch better” and two starts after Carpenter isolated a flaw in his delivery, Wainwright tied a season-high with seven strikeouts. Eleven of the first 12 outs he got from the spiraling Cubs lineup did not leave the infield. The Cubs did not get a runner into scoring position until the fifth inning. By then the Cardinals had a 3-0 lead.
So, forgive me for concluding that Chris Carpenter identified a flaw in Adam Wainwright’s delivery—specifically his arm slot—and that this was the source of Wainwright’s ills (as opposed to his merely not throwing enough sinkers). I also conclude that their work together caused Wainwright to correct this flaw which has resulted in the reemergence of the Wainwright of Yore. While we don’t know everything that happened, we do know something more than nothing and from that something I conclude that Duncan did not identify this delivery flaw, Carpenter did, and that correcting it has resulted in a very effective Wagonmaker taking the baseball every fifth day.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Well, I wish Dunc had
identified this himself, but even if he did not, no bus-throwing-under is necessary. This kind of thing happens quite often in sports, and no coach can be expected to be perfect. In 1985, for instance, thank god that John Tudor’s buddy caught a flaw in his delivery or a pennant might not have been won.
And I find it encouraging that players are paying attention and helping each other too.
by MdRedbirdFreak on May 22, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that Dave Duncan's answer to everything?
Walking too many batters? THROW MORE SINKERS
Giving up the homerun ball? THROW MORE SINKERS
On the DL with a hurt elbow? THROW MORE SINKERS
Throwing too many sinkers? THROW MORE SINKERS
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 22, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
your name is Joel Pineiro?
THROW MORE SINKERS
by STLRegalia on May 22, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Throwing too many sinkers? THROW MORE SINKERS
fantastic
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on May 22, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on guys I need more sinkers!
ala Will Ferrels and Walkens cowbell skit.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Duncan's got a fever
and the only cure is more sinkers.
There’s a difference between Mitch Boggs and Joel Pineiro.
Mitch Boggs wakes up in the morning and puts his pants on one leg at a time. Joel Pineiro wakes up and throws sinkers.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on May 22, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
"Guys, I'm just like you."
“I put my pants on one leg at a time. But then, once my pants are on, I go out and generate ground ball outs.”
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 22, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheds a tear
my first green post.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on May 22, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
for Throwing too many sinkers?
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 22, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
wainwright’s pounding of the strikezone was the main reason he was so effective IMHO…he was being way to cute to start the season
by VolsnCards5 on May 22, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he was trying to be "cute"
he just had no command.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on May 22, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for piecing that all together BGH
but to tell the truth, I had to go grab a franklin after reading
Duncan said Wainwright must junk the offspeed stuff
Wainwright should never , and I mean NEVER junk his offspeed stuff. I don’t really have to give a reason for this, do I?
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on May 22, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no you don't
offspeed stuff leads to less solid contact which equals lower BABIP.
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on May 22, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dave sez: thro moar slyderz!!!!!!!!11!!1!!
Dave’s license plate says “2seam”
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullpen
How about looking at the bullpen figuring out who’s gonna setup/close/LOOGY rather than worrying about the team’s defacto ace?
by KingPenguin on May 22, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'Pen
Close: Franklin
LOOGY: Reyes, Miller
SETUP: Motte/LOOGYs/K-Mac
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But it wasn’t as clear cut early in the season. I’m not defending Duncan. You simply asked what he was doing rather than fixing Wainwright and I was offering a suggestion. If you were in his shoes, identifying ADAM’s armslot at the start of the season (becuase it’s been off all year) probably wouldn’t have been your top worry.
Argh, that sounds like I’m defending him, I better stop.
by KingPenguin on May 22, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players helping players
I find it encouraging as well. Hopefully Carp is hired as a pitching coach in the organization after his playing days are over.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope his playing days are fare from over
by STLRegalia on May 22, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, why not both?
Since Carp is likely to spend roughly 40 – 60 percent of each season on the DL from here on out, he can coach when he’s not on the active roster. The best of all possible worlds!
by MdRedbirdFreak on May 22, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Player-Coach
That’d be great.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Duncan is off the hook
6. Cardinals starter Adam Wainwright has allowed just two runs in his previous 16 2/3 innings, plunging his ERA down by almost a run — from 4.36 to 3.41 in two starts. And now the truth can be told. It wasn’t the film session with Chris Carpenter. It wasn’t his arm path. It wasn’t re-establishing his fastball. It’s the shoes, man. It’s the shoes. Friend and reliever Blaine Boyer lent Wainwright a pair of cleats before his start against Milwaukee, and he’s worn the Mizuno-brand shoes in each of the previous starts, and only those starts this season. It’s gotta be the shoes.
per 10 @ 10
by STLRegalia on May 22, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on May 22, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least Blaine Boyer is good for something
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 22, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Giver of shoes. I suppose he kind of uses his right arm for that a little bit.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can just see it now...
Before tonights game echoing out of the dugout we all hear Wellemeyers voice as he yells at Boyer…
Yo Tango su cepatos! (My spanish sucks)
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can NOT
have my beer!
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill
by lordsummer on May 22, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spanish FAIL
Tengo, not Tango
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 22, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew that as soon as I clicked "POST"
I was just hoping nobody would care or catch on
by STLRegalia on May 22, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I told you my spanish sucked...
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shouldn't schumaker have been the one donating footwear?
My brain has shut down completely so my butt is doing all the thinking.
by jacksonian on May 22, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He tried...
but who wears two left shoes at the same time?
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on May 22, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+2
Counting his wife.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you think Pujols gives tips to batters who are slumping?
Who cares whether it was Dunc or Carp who helped out.
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 22, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one.....
That thinks it is a little odd that Waino lost his arm slot…..probably the same one he has had for a number of years, during the summer? And then once he “realizes” this, he can change it overnight?
Seems a little odd. I’m guessing there was probably a little more to it. Maybe he changed it intentionally, and then gave up on it.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 22, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not sold on the mechanical change as yet.
Arm slot shifting from higher to lower often indicates shoulder problems, and it often leads to elbow problems. The results so far have been fantastic; i hope they continue.
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
by hazel on May 22, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need some FancyGraphs on it!
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on May 22, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
excellent post
and it started with the funniest AP photo caption of the year….
by cdb on May 22, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LaRussa just felt like Thursty could play LF
I was surprised there was no discussion yesterday about Gordon’s thoughtful analysis of TLR which included this nugget from the Don:
"This belief you can crank out simulations and information from a computer and that dictates how your players will perform what strategy you use, that is so ridiculous," La Russa said.
Ridiculous Tony? Really? I don’t think anyone believes that numbers dictate how players will perform, but it is not ridiculous to think that numbers should inform strategy or that they may be predictive.
by OCCardsFan on May 22, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TLR
I really admire his work helping animals.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR
I admire his Prince Valiant haircut.
by spencegrif on May 22, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TRL
DUI
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
by hazel on May 22, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The worst decision of TLR's life
He put his own safety and those of every other person out driving or walking that night. However, he has admitted his mistake. We are here to discuss baseball, not hang a man for an acknowledged mistake (no matter how horrible the results of it could have been). I believe that TLR has learned from it and we all have, too. We don’t need to hammer the man over that occurrence when we are here to discuss baseball. I don’t think you meant anything by it and I don’t want to come off as holier than thou or anything. I believe that I was pretty harsh on him after the arrest was reported. Thank God that nobody was hurt that night. We need only look to the wall of the Cards’ bullpen (or, unfortunately, the Angels’ dugout) to see what the horrific ultimate result of such a decision could be.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Carson Daly
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on May 22, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
please do not ever mention his name on this website ever again
thank you
by BirdsonFire on May 22, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thurston/Rasmus
I just saw the video of their near-collision, and that should’ve been Rasmus’s ball all the way, right? Even if Thurston was calling it, Colby should have called him off.
Scary play.
by santiagofish on May 22, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The post said Colby tried to call him off but he doesn't have his man voice yet so Joey didn't hear him.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was impressive.
Excellent post.
"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."
by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on May 22, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post
I still have my old collection of CYOA books. I wonder if they are worth anything now?
by saladdays on May 22, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just so everyone knows
The Cardinals are 1-0 when Joe Thurston plays LF. Winning baseball!!
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 22, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 22, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The result:
The Cardinals won 3-1 when Joe Thurston started in LF; therefore, it was the right decision.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isn't a right or wrong decision to make.....
It is a decision that ends in a win, or one that ends in a loss. Period.
Your goal isn’t to put the best lineup on the field every night. It’s to string together the best season you can. Sometimes that means resting folks. Sometimes that means playing the hot hand. Sometimes that means going against the norm.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on May 22, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOUR 2009 Washington Nationals!!!
[The] goal isn’t to put the best lineup on the field every night.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and sometimes you get kicked out of the game and are forced to wear a fake mustache and glasses to get back in.
by all4tookie on May 22, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree to disagree
I think we should try to have the best 25-man roster possible that gives the manager the best players to choose from which gives us the best lineup every night, even when resting players.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, what do you mean by going against the norm?
If you are saying to make better use of the closer in higher leverage situations or refusing to hit-and-run or bunt in a traditional situation, I am with you.
But you lose me if a decision is made that is not in the interest of our best chance of winning.
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac land, either."
by all4tookie on May 22, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly
The goal is to put out the best possible lineup for every encountered situation for as many games as possible. If that means taking your better players out because of a bad history against a certain pitcher (or the lesser player’s glowing record), so be it. If that means dealing with injuries as they happen, so be it.
I will say that putting Joe out there is something that Tony has to do for his own sanity. He & Duncan have backed themselves into this corner with roster management, so Tony has to find out what his available options are. And he can’t do that by simply having the guy shag flyballs during batting practice. He feels more comfortable knowing Thurston can play at 5-6 positions if need be than just 3-4. He gains strategic flexibility throwing one of these guys out there occasionally.
Do I think he would be better off not tying one hand behind his back and trying to see if he can wriggle his way out once again? Hell yeah. He & Duncan should allow Mozeliak to maintain a decent bench instead of insisting on a bloated bullpen. But as long as we accept the assumptions that TLR has forced us into, the actual idea of Thurston in LF is somewhat understandable. Joe still needs to get his fucking head into the game, though.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on May 22, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Amen.
I’d really like to know the dynamic behind the scenes, and how Moz really feels about this roster management. Because it has just gotten bizarre in the last couple of years. If TLR wants to interview for another job in baseball it’s not really an issue because of the career he’s had. But if I own a team and someday I interview Mozeliak for a GM job, I’m going to ask some very hard questions about the roster management during his Cardinal days, and why the team so frequently put itself up against the wall for no freakin’ reason. It’s really an important component of general managership, and it’s making Moz look bad IMHO.
by MdRedbirdFreak on May 22, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We need the long man
So he can not be used as a long man.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
And the word “lede” was spelled correctly…in a sports blog! Good God, I’m happy when people get they’re/their/there right at a percentage higher than the Mendoza line on a sports blog.
by Kind_Al on May 22, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I agree with your agreement.
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 22, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DanUp
I love adventure novels! You are the ManUp!
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
by albrtfn on May 22, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mang Says....
“There is no “I” in team, or in B g Mac land, either."
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and sometimes you get kicked out of the game and are forced to wear a fake mustache and glasses to get back in.
by all4tookie on May 22, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Which sign makes you want to vote? ;)
by outraged on May 22, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can I have dibs on avatar?
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
by albrtfn on May 22, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't we start typing it:
B_g Mac Land?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like we're playing
hang mang.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on May 22, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
So now
vivaelpujols and I will no longer be confused >>>>>>>>avatar>>>>>>>
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
by albrtfn on May 22, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on May 22, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man that pic is awesome.
I just sent it to some Cub friends.
by sdrone on May 22, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow Albert sucks!
He was clearly aiming at the Cubs fan right above the space between the G and the M, and missed by a good 15 feet. He needs to get his act together.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and sometimes you get kicked out of the game and are forced to wear a fake mustache and glasses to get back in.
by all4tookie on May 22, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops, that was supposed to be a reply, my bad
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and sometimes you get kicked out of the game and are forced to wear a fake mustache and glasses to get back in.
by all4tookie on May 22, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the "Choose Your Own Blog" Style
Or is it “Twist-a-Blog”? In either case, I can read it over and over and it’s different every time. Neat!
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
by p_lampe on May 22, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
UNRELATED
I just played a game on 2K7 baseball. Starting Lineup
SS- Jeff Weaver
LF- Russ Springer
2B- Skip Schumaker
RF- Jason Marquis
SP- Mark Mulder
C- CC Sebathia
1B- Chris Carpenter
3B- Braden Looper
CF- Eric Gagne
I won 2-1 over the Angels. Two diving catches with Springer. Good times.
by WyoCardsFan on May 22, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was playing Madden '06 the other day
And went up against Michael Vick in about year 3 of franchise mode. I was confused.
by Expatcardfan on May 22, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I found an old N64 with an All-Star Baseball 2001 game
a few days ago…Rick Ankiel was my starter and struck out 17 while going 4-6 at the bat with 2 doubles
"Greene over to Schumaker, on to first! Double Play!!"
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on May 22, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and 9 shutout innings of course
"Greene over to Schumaker, on to first! Double Play!!"
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on May 22, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hoping you didn't hold back the tears
by Expatcardfan on May 22, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's unhealthy
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 22, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So why do you have Mulder as your SP out of all of those guys?
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...and I'm wanting an Allen Craig call-up!
by RunninRedbird on May 22, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
I love how you have all pitchers except for Skip at 2B!
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...and I'm wanting an Allen Craig call-up!
by RunninRedbird on May 22, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
loved the choose your own adventure format...
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"The ball sank the pirate ship that had been docked in the river."
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 22, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From:
"I just think, like I said before, I think I raised my bar. I spoiled you guys too much," he said after Thursday’s game. "When I hit a little bump, I’m human. It’s going to happen. It has to happen for me to get better. I’m not perfect every time, hitting over .360 or .380. I think you need to struggle in this game as a pitcher, as a position player to get better and to work at it. Maybe, I expand my strike zone a little bit. I can’t tell you. I was seeing the ball good. It was just a matter of time."
first thought that came to my head:
I’m not a maching
by STLRegalia on May 22, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course he's a machine....
He hit the “I” for a reason….. He loves the the Will Smith movie…. a subtle message was sent to all of us.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on May 22, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They should leave the sign broken
Testament to the man’s power. McDonalds can donate $1M for every new letter Pujols knocks out.
by JWO on May 22, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like they will leave it broken
Per Goold’s Twitter:
There is a new sign at the BIG MAC LAND. Under the popped-out “I”, a white placard extends down: "Ouch! My ’I’’, it reads.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
by effin fisk on May 22, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
out of *all* the puns in the last 24 hours
That one? Hmmm.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, Mangbot
There's no "I" in team. There's also no "I" in "B-g Mac Land".
by mattybobo on May 22, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then he said, can you guys rig the remaining lights so they all explode at the same time if i hit
one of them like in that movie?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparently the cubs announcers
Speculated that the letter winked out before the ball hit it. Class!
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 22, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a stunning combination of just mean-spiritedness and stupid.
fwiw, if in fact albert figured out which letter he was going to hit and coordinated it with the facilities guys ahead of time, that would be like 1,000,000 times cooler.
of course, maybe the facilities guys figured out which letter he was going to hit and decided to switch it off in the 4/100’s of a second they had to do that.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DanUpBaby
I really like your writing style. Always very entertaining.
by Merry CRasmus on May 22, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Random Question
Carpenter has a lot of respect among his peers, and he apparently has the ability to diagnose some challenges that even Duncan misses (e.g. the Wainwright arm-slot). Does anyone on this message board see Carp as a pitching coach in say 5-7 years?
by JWO on May 22, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He'd be a good one
But we’ve also got El Presidente in the pipeline, and it’s rumored Tudor might want to get into coaching.
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by Alxfritz on May 22, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Martinez, D.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on May 22, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
THE Dennis Martinez?
Cool, where does he coach?
by MdRedbirdFreak on May 22, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Palm Beach
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on May 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still voting for Joaquin Andujar
pitching coach, bench coach, something. hell, just send him out to argue with umpires now and then. that’d make me happy.
by Expatcardfan on May 22, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought tudor *is* coaching?
college ball in the northwest??
ivy league maybe?
or was that a different former card?
by BirdsonFire on May 22, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupor is coaching
I think it is at Yale, but I may be mistaken
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on May 22, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i always mix those two up
somewhat similar names
i do not mix up their careers however
by BirdsonFire on May 22, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can he teach people how to be left-handed?
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 22, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see that
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"The ball sank the pirate ship that had been docked in the river."
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 22, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DanUp, the Pulitzer committee just opened a category for
“online sports journalism replete with pop culture and literary references.”
I think they’ve noticed your work.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
7 recs on the main post
Does that set a record?
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 22, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the shakespeare one got 19 i think.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since I posted this 28 minutes ago
The number of recs has gone from 7 to 12. Go me!
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 22, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since bunting was invented...
Hundreds of thousands of Major League Baseball games have been won! Gooooooo bunting!
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on May 22, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Crowd: booo!!!
all4tookie: No bunting, for anyone!
Crowd: booo!!!
all4tookie: bunting for some, little American flags for others!
Crowd: yaaayy!!!!
>applause<
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Since TLR arrived in St. Louis
We’ve only had 2 games with attendance less than 20k. 2! (per D Goold)
Sorry, just wanted to throw that in.
by sdrone on May 22, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This type of stat citation is bizarre to me
Who in the VEB community goes to the game to see TLR manage? I think they probably came to see Brian Jordan, Ray Lankford, Mark McGwire, Bo Hart, Stubby Clapp, Jimmy Edmonds, Rick Ankiel, Daryl Kile, Jason Isringhausen, Edgar Renteria, Scott Rolen, Chris Carpenter, and Albert Pujols.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Stubby Clapp.
It’s a unique in its ability to suggest inadequate manhood and venereal disease in just eleven letters.
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill
by lordsummer on May 22, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the turkey legs
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on May 22, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got a kick out watching his and Piniellas reactions in WEDs game.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe I know someone who goes to the game to see TLR manage
Not gonna name names though
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 22, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
Pretty sure he has to stay at home to watch TLR manage. After all, they WILL throw you out of the stadium for taking off your pants.
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 22, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey careful, im drinking water at my desk
and i dont want to call the IT department after i hose it down……
by FunkeeC on May 22, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lemme guess...
does his name rhyme with “Phony Melusa”?
"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 22, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not citing a stat.
The previous couple of posts had a cadence: “since x then y” and I had just read Goold’s article. I thought the factoid was interesting. It has nothing to do with anything, nor is it supposed to show that people come to the game to see TLR.
by sdrone on May 22, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think that's why you posted it, at all
I was merely commenting on how sportswriters and sports broadcasts often give you stats that are meaningless.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you know we're 1-5 on tuesdays, and 19-12 the other days of the week?
true story.*
*not a true story.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Rasmus
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on May 22, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the bunt.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
from the rotoworld sidebar:
“The Cardinals’ medical staff revealed that Rick Ankiel may not be able to come off the DL this weekend. We’ve come to expect this kind of thing from the Cardinals’ medical staff.”
Very nice, rotoworld.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
That made my dad. Hilarious.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Made your dad what?
I bet it made my dad a little sick! I guess they can hide all they want, but I’m just nibbling fingernails wondering how bad Rick really is…
But it’s true that it is pretty funny from another perspective.
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill
by lordsummer on May 22, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that was your grandma
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on May 22, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Improved from last year
only took 2 days to put Rick on the DL this year.
by ubeddie on May 22, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting tidbit from Gammons
He writes on his blog that the Cards should have tried to deal K-Greene to Boston immediately after Lowry’s injury. (I wonder if the Red Sox include a psyche evaluation as part their physical, something we do not do.) Gammons writes that the idea is moot now with Greene falling behind T-Greene and B-Ryan on TLR’s SS depth chart.
The juiciest tidbit, which ties into Az’s piece posing a hypothetical Peavy-to-STL trade based on what the White Sox were ready to give at Future Redbirds, is this:
And if the Padres have to wait for the Cubs, the Cardinals or — and they don’t even want to think about this — the Dodgers until the deadline, their chances of getting anything close to Aaron Poreda, Clayton Richard and two other pitchers are slim.
So, Gammons seems to be suggesting that we might get in on Peavy and that the price tag might be lower than a package equal in value to Jaime Garcia, Mitchell Boggs, Fernando Salas, and Arquimedes Nieto. Of course, it is not yet Memorial Day and all this is speculation based on an innuendo from Peter Gammons about trade proposals that have yet to materialize. So, lets look at it for what it is. As Az writes, Peavy will cost his purchaser $52MM through the end of 2013 (his Age 31/32 season).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
heyman saying the brewers will get it on it
due to peavy’s choice to be on a NL team in ‘middle america’
•
He believes the Cubs and Brewers have the best shot at acquiring Jake Peavy, because of the pitcher’s preference for the National League and his desire to play in “middle America.” Heyman believes Peavy would accept a deal to either team, but there are never guarantees with a no-trade clause.
found it on mlbtraderumors
by VolsnCards5 on May 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't vouch for the accuracy of this claim,
but Jeff Passan says Peavy told the Pads last winter that he’d only accept a trade to the Braves, Cubs, Cards, Astros, or Dodgers (and he may be having second thoughts about the Astros…).
Of course Passan may be full of shit, or Peavy may have changed his mind, so take it for what it’s worth….
by BTown Birds fan on May 22, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heyman's an idiot
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on May 22, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
too much money for milwaukee.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't trade Jaime because he's injured, correct?
I always forget about him.
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
And to be clear, Az’s merely offered up that package as being the Cardinal farm equivalent to what the White Sox offered, assuming a healthy Garcia (which Garcia is not). So, we could not trade him and Az did not propose that. I want to make sure that my summary does not misrepresent his post, which is good reading.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would we have done that?
Trade our starting shortstop who, at the time, was coming off a great spring, right? So we can bring up a shortstop who looks like he won’t be that good a hitter?
Maybe I’m remembering something wrong.
by sdrone on May 22, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd just like to take this time to thank
the Chicago Cubs for signing Milton Bradley (3 yrs/30 mil) instead of Raul Ibanez (3 yrs/31.5 Mil)….also, that Mark DeRosa trade was a thing of beauty.
"Greene over to Schumaker, on to first! Double Play!!"
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on May 22, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it was beautiful, but it wasn't full-on poetic until they took on miles for two years on a multi-million
contract.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just think...
they could’ve used that money from Bradley/Miles….to keep DeRosa, Sign Abreau, and get relief help
"Greene over to Schumaker, on to first! Double Play!!"
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on May 22, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This surprised me...
Raul Ibanez vs. MLB: .347/.411/.707/1.118
Raul Ibanez vs. Nationals: .514/.581/1.054/1.635 (!)
Raul Ibanez vs. Non-Nationals: .292/.355/.575/.930
Still good, but wow.
Mang Says...
"There is no "I" in team, or in B g Mac Land, either."
by all4tookie on May 22, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley
You can’t give up on him yet. Dude’s a gamer.
Awful wordplay aside, he’s going to turn it on soon. He’s been pretty unlucky:

by lightbulb on May 22, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
not looking forward to when he figures things out…. glad we’ve already played the cubs a lot before he heats up
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 22, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he'll blow out his knee arguing with the right field wall
before that happens
by VolsnCards5 on May 22, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pet project i've been thinking of: is it possible to graph somebody's babip and their
walk rate? i’m guessing it’s pretty common for a luck-driven slump to be followed by a drop in a walk rate as batters try to force a hit.
if you could show a relationship between a drop in BABIP and a drop in walk rate, then you could suggest that some luck-driven slumps (which are just meaningless noise, not the product of a bad approach at the plate) create real hitting problems. and the rush to find ways to “fix” some slumps may contribute to the sense of urgency that makes the walk rate drop. while the right answer would be to relax and wait for the balls to drop.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i might try to take this up
unemployed + a love of MS Excel = got to do something
question: where do you stathead nerds get raw data from? i honestly never bother with this stuff, because i get so sick of acronyms and numbers its ridiculous – i played with the FRED database enough to hate everything, including puppies and baby seals.
by Expatcardfan on May 22, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this the D&D approach to baseball?
Interesting.
by The_teague on May 22, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no, but i'm sure someone can give this the full nerd treatment and make a D&D cardinals
post. “paladin albert pujols lifts his +30 damage club of doom and crushes the ivory orb” etc.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm afraid it can't be me,
I was always a JRPG man myself.
by DanUpBaby on May 22, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we could turn it over to redbaron but we'd just end up with some anime jargon
nobody could follow. chuck?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hey!
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 22, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right to be offended
We know your writing style is not that limited. I’m sure you would have added some obscure bands that many of us had never heard of also.
"There are three things the average man thinks he can do better than anybody else: build a fire, run a hotel and manage a baseball team."- Rocky Bridges
by That's a Winner on May 22, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Pujols uses a +10 vorpal sword
and Carpenter is a 40th level mage
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 22, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
and with that....
we’ve achieved full-blown nerdness
"Greene over to Schumaker, on to first! Double Play!!"
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on May 22, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
achieved? do you read this blog? we do more nerd before 10AM PST than most people
do all week.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
our nerdness is already off the charts
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 22, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no wonder i never get laid
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on May 22, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ludwick uses a rod of smiting
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 22, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sad
i was playing Final Fantasy the other night, and realizing how much of a moneyball approach i took to playing the game.
by Expatcardfan on May 22, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Billy Beane plays Final Fantasy?
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
i was borderline writing down damage hit/taken vs. each enemy, gold recieved vs. cost of cure items, etc. and making a spreadsheet. then, i came to my senses. and realized it was still crossing my mind.
by Expatcardfan on May 22, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well,
when you’re playing a game that takes 100 hours or so to complete, you need to use your time efficiently.
i often spend days just crunching the numbers as far as what the best weapon is in regards to the time it takes to attack compared to the damage done, whether casting a slow spell is worth the time spent as opposed to an attack, and which character is best suited to be my tank, which should be a mage, and which should be the ranged/item support character.
i’ll usually play through the game a couple of times trying different things until i come up with the ultimate strategy, a way to play through in perhaps only 90 hours.
by adiueordie on May 22, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i forgot about the stopwatch element
that’s like a 4th wall kind of thing. i’m running off to City Sports in a few.
/sitting in a bar now (no surprise)
//my bartender: ass=8. boobs=5. face=reason there is no lightbulb in my bedroom
by Expatcardfan on May 22, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only
we could hear her thoughts on you.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 22, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
guessing
his belly = 3, his arms = 5, his face = the reason he’s still available
by Expatcardfan on May 22, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Been waiting to dust this one off
Not really applicable to current discussions, but still an old RPG reference of mine.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on May 22, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welley needs to step it up a couple of notches
to match the recent starting pitching performances (understatement of the year)
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 22, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully he will have a little extra fire in the belly facing his former club.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
by Red Blazer on May 22, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pinella "razzled" by cards fans.
Piniella said he was “razzled” by some Cardinals fans who recognized him, but fortunately there was no confrontation like the one he had with a loudmouth fan at Wrigley Field last weekend
says the Trib.
now, i don’t know what “razzled” means here, but i think it’s probably not something the best fans in baseball should do.
certainly not something to be done to lou pinella without a friend backing you up with a tranq dart gun.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A loudmouth fan at Wrigley had a confrontation with Sweet Lou?
A Cubs fan went after him? Apparently this fan does not know Rob Dibble, or, does know Dibble and was attempting to prove to the Nasty Boy that he was in fact tougher than Dibble.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the other incident was at wrigley.
if you want to feel good about tony, at least he doesn’t do this.
When he was returning to the Cubs’ dugout after pulling Kevin Gregg in the frightful ninth inning Saturday, Lou Piniella stopped long enough to have an animated “chat” with a fan.
“He wasn’t very happy I kept Gregg in the game for as long as I did,” the manager said. “And I told him just to please enjoy the game and let me manage … in a little stronger words than that.”
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah
sweet lou
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 22, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pearl jam song
of course, that’s “sweet lew” (alcinder sp?)
by BirdsonFire on May 22, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone read the Zork or Time Machine choose your own adventure books?
I always looked forward to the book fairs in grade school because it meant I’d get a new one of those, or two or three
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 22, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To put myself squarly in the nerd/dnd/stats/xkcd fan stereotype
the main CYOA that I remember was the Dragonlance one where you helped Raistlin through the Tower of High Sorcery!
by FunkeeC on May 22, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on a related note
dragonlance chronicles were some of the best fantasy books I ever read.
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 22, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
those books started me into fantasy books when they 1st came out
and I still read mostly forgotten realms books for my escapism reading during lunch breaks
by FunkeeC on May 22, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
loved the forgotten realms books too
especially the icewind dale and dark elf trilogies. I’m so dorky I named my cat Guenhwyvar
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 22, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhhh, dragonlance
I reread some of those last winter to cheer myself up. A good read.
by peach concrete on May 22, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just picked up Dragons of Autumn Twilight
I started reading it again last weekend. I’ve probably read the first trilogy a dozen times. Though, that reminds me that I need to read the second trilogy soon; it’s been quite a while.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on May 22, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont forget to check out the trilogy
that wiess and hickman wrote that fill in the gaps of Chronicles. Only the 1st 2 have been released yet but they are nice additions to the series
by FunkeeC on May 22, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll look for it
I haven’t bought anything new from the Dragonlance series in probably 8 years and already have over 25 books from them, but some new material might be interesting.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on May 22, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i vaguely recall the time machine books.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can picture the one with the mammoth on the cover
4B - beer baseball bands blog
"OOHHHHH!!!! He knocked out the I in Big Mac Land!!"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 22, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: making oneself feel like a MORAN
so, I got a new cell number today. Trying to save time, I type out a text message explaining that “this is my new number” and send it. I forgot to include my name, so everyone I sent it to gets this message and thinks, ok, who are you?
Oh well, its friday, and I’ll be at Busch on Sunday!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on May 22, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lineups
1. Skip Schumaker, 2B
2. Brian Barden, 3B
3. Albert Pujols, 1B
4. Chris Duncan, LF
5. Nick Stavinoha, RF
6. Colby Rasmus, CF
7. Jason LaRue, C
8. Todd Wellemeyer, P
9. Brendan Ryan, SS
KANSAS CITY
1. Coco Crisp, CF
2. Albert Callaspo, 2B
3. Mark Teahen, 3B
4. Jose Guillen, RF
5. Mike Jacobs, 1B
6. John Buck, C
7. David DeJesus, LF
8. Mike Aviles, SS
9. Kyle Davies, P
by BirdsonFire on May 22, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i can't wait for luddy to get off the dl
i’m by far not in the majority… but my favorite 3 outfielders are dunc, ramsus, and luddy…
i just don’t see ank every offering what the other three do… but he is so absolutely entrenched with our fans, it’s hard to even think of him anywhere else
dunc gets so much crap, but actually produces quite well when healthy… yeah, his defense ain’t the greatest… but he does play left field…
by BirdsonFire on May 22, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't count on it...
at least not here. STLToday forums, sure.
I don’t dislike Ankiel, I just don’t think he’s nearly as good as people think he is. I wouldn’t cry if he played LF instead of Duncan, but I think Duncan is probably the better hitter if both are healthy.
by DiscoJer on May 22, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Yadi gets a day off, huh?
I hope his knees make the most of it.
What’s the logic on batting Rasmus behind Nicky Stav?
by peach concrete on May 22, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like runs
After Kyle Davies is pitching.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 22, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't have two lefties in a row of course
by OCCardsFan on May 22, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rather that we put larue in the 5 slot than nicky.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also valid
but i’m not sure rusty wants to do much running if he gets on the bases…. he’s no molina
by BirdsonFire on May 22, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on, Stavi is a better hitter than LaRue.
by TheBirds on May 22, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is?
in now 79 PA’s in the bigs, nick has a .200/.213/.218 line.
for all of last season, larue had a .643 OPS. larue’s off to an unsustainably hot start this year. but stav has never shown that he can hit in the big leagues.
and even at 79 PA’s, nick should be showing us something better than a .431 OPS.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
giving stav something to hit???
i dunno
i’m starting to like boog…. i’m hoping for a good game at the plate, and expecting a great one in the field
by BirdsonFire on May 22, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is there gonna be anybody from the cards at the all star game?
pujols, yes. molina, probably (bad year for NL catchers).
ankiel and luds are losing a lot of time to injury. dunc is dunc.
rounding out the infield are skip, khalil, and david FREESE! two part-timers and a no-timer. urg.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tony
seriously though, Franklin could be picked. Any of the other pitchers would have to go on a tear in the next eight starts to be picked. And Colby has 40 games to make his mark on the league too.
by ubeddie on May 22, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly, our closest pitchers are probably franklin and pineiro. who saw that in the off-season?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
even though he has been injured a great deal, I think Carp could be an all-star pitcher.
by TheBirds on May 22, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely, but he's going to have to throw CGSO's all through june to make up for
seven lost starts to make it to the ASG.
no question that he or waino have the skill, but their innings and numbers (respectively) aren’t going to be there by july.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember when
renteria, rolen, pujols, carp, and izzy seemed like locks? man, those were the days.
i kind of miss Ozzie’s dominance in the voting, though
by Expatcardfan on May 22, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Edmonds! i forgot about that guy. he's bisexual, y'know
by Expatcardfan on May 22, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you mean Edwards.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
by effin fisk on May 22, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he could have some miniscule era near 1.5 or so entering the break, and go at least 7 every starts
that’s the top end of what you expect, but it’s possible.
by TheBirds on May 22, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd have to think a bit to remember any pitcher that missed that much time
early in the season pitching in the ASG. OTOH, it would probably help that the game’s in STL and carp is such a fan favorite.
not a lot of guys running away with pitching spots in the NL anyway.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sort of think Carp's season thus far could be a blessing in disguise
If he can stay healthy FROM NOW ON, then he shouldn’t be too horribly overworked at the end of the season. He had a fairly minor injury that didn’t affect his pitching motion, which also provided some time off for him.
There was no way he could’ve pitched 200 innings this season, but maybe 100-150 plus playoffs (should we make it)? Sounds good to me.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
by effin fisk on May 22, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Husband
got two of the $5.50 tickets for tonight’s game. Heading to the stadium to meet him now. He went early to ensure that we get whatever item they’re giving away. Keep your fingers crossed I don’t get stuck in SRO “seats.”
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 22, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
awesome. good luck!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on May 22, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lucky
Tonight is AP NL MVP figurine night.
by cardsgirl95 on May 22, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that
might be why he did this today. He knows I love AP.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on May 22, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a good man.
(I mean your husband. He’s a keeper.)
by cardsgirl95 on May 22, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good luck
i think the best games are the ones with the cheap seats
by Expatcardfan on May 22, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i never got into the whole CYOA stuff
but this was another good job Dan.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
by gdm426 on May 22, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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