2009 Draft Preview #8
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. So nice to see you all again. How've you been?
Me? Oh, alright, I suppose. Hey, Cards won last night, so things ain't so bad, right?
First, a word about Joel Pineiro. Ho-lee shit. Really, Jo-El? Of all the possible outcomes of last night's game, I certainly didn't pick three hit shutout as the one I was banking on. What's really rather startling in looking at Pineiro's season so far is that, in strict terms, at least, it's for real. He's sporting a 3.48 ERA, and a 3.37 FIP, so it isn't as if he's getting lucky with batted balls and the like. In fact, his BABIP actually seems a little high, at .306. So we can wait all we like for Pineiro to come back down to earth, but if he continues to pitch exactly as he has so far, it may very well not happen.
Now, of course, there is also the issue of whether or not his peripherals are, in fact, sustainable. That FIP is the product of two things; a ridiculously low walk rate of 3.2% and a HR/FB rate of just 3%. Now, it's been written here and elsewhere that his home run rate will likely increase, and I really can't argue with that. Even pitching in a park that suppresses power (non-Rasmus division), only 3% of a pitcher's fly balls leaving the park just isn't something that's likely to continue. The walk rate? Well, that one's a little bit tougher. Seeing as how Jo-El has always had very good control, it's entirely possible that the walk rate is the one area that isn't likely to regress any time soon. Tough to say for sure, of course, but seeing as how it's basically the one and only area that Pineiro has consistently been an above average pitcher for pretty much his entire career, I wouldn't bet on it elevating a whole lot going forward.
Second of all, a word or two about Khalil Greene. We all read the story in the P-D yesterday, I'm sure; there was a fairly lively debate about certain aspects of the story right here. It's pretty remarkable, really, how little sympathy I've seen in most quarters for a guy who is clearly in a lot of pain, struggling badly with some pretty serious issues. Over at the Post boards, there was a lot of bashing going on, with the common sentiment seeming to be that the guy is a bitch, a bum, a whatever, and should really just get off the roster and maybe consider offing himself. Bernie thinks he should retire because he's just not that good of a player. I'll just leave that one alone in order to avoid saying some very nasty things that don't need to be said. Over at Gateway Redbirds, there was some talk of someone, either Greene himself or the front office, I'm not sure which, covering their asses. I'm not entirely sure I'm taking that last point the right way, but combined with a lot of the other stuff I've read, it kind of seems as if some believe this problem is being fabricated to cover up for Greene's awful performance thus far, and, by extension, the failure of the front office to build a proper team of contenders, handing us instead San Diego's castoffs.
Well, this is my thought on it: if the things we read in the Post yesterday are true, then Khalil Greene has no business being on a baseball field at the moment. It seems that this whole thing isn't being treated as a medical issue, with the team issuing statements and stories being printed. It's being treated more as, "Oh, Khalil just needs a day off, get himself straight. He'll be fine."
I have a pretty serious problem with that, truth be told. My whole life, I've struggled with some fairly serious mental issues, and at no point did a simple day off ever really fix anything. Playing Khalil less, picking your spots with him, is not going to help him any. Every day that he isn't in there, he's going to be thinking about why he isn't in there, and it's only going to get worse. The worst thing about being so stuck in your own head isn't that it's painful, it's that there's really nowhere else to go. Hell, most of the problems I developed as time went on, various addictions and the like, all stemmed from that original, desperate desire to be someone, anyone, that wasn't me. To be anywhere else but trapped inside my own head, with no possible hope of escape.
We have a few psychiatric types on this board, so I'll defer to their opinions on the matter, but given just the sorts of people that I've known in my life, it seems to me that once an individual crosses the line and begins inflicting actual physical harm to themselves as penance or punishment or simply for the sensation itself, the issue has gone from being one of being too wound up, or a little overanxious, or stressed out, to a much, much more serious problem. Letting someone who is hurting himself on purpose because he can't handle failure continue to just go on doing so is just foolish. I dated several girls back in school who were constantly cutting themselves, and let me just put it out there as simply as I can: this sort of thing does not improve on its own. Once that line has been crossed, the person doesn't just magically decide that things aren't so bad one day.
I wish Khalil the best, but I don't see this getting any better until he steps away from the game and get the help he needs. Trying to go out there and perform is just going to make things worse.
Okay. Enough of that. The draft is nigh, and I must try to get a few more of these reports in before the big day.
Yesterday, over at Future Redbirds, erik had a very nice little article about why you shouldn't draft a high school pitcher in the first round; I highly recommend you check it out. Good stuff as always from the FR godfather. And in the spirit of erik's post, I decided to lead off my profiles today with a high school pitcher.
Didn't see that one coming, did you?
Anyhow, beyond simply being perverse, I also had a point to doing this, and my point runs thusly: I don't really particularly care if the Cardinals draft high schoolers, collegians, or miscellaneous players. What I do care about is the fact that the Cardinals lack top-end talent in their system, particularly of the pitching variety. What the Cards have done a remarkably good job of is developing literally dozens of about the same sort of player. They have back end starters and middle relievers in droves, but really very few players that project to be any more than that. It's easily the most glaring weakness in the system, and one that I really hope the Cardinals attempt to fill in this year's draft. Whether that's a prep school wonder, or a power arm out of college, I simply don't care.
Look at it this way. I don't know how many of you here might be golfers, but I am. And in golf, there exists something called a scramble. A scramble is when a team of players, either 2, 3, or 4, all hit shots, the best shot of the group is chosen, and then all members of the team hit their next shots from that spot.
Well, see, there's a certain strategy to playing a scramble, particularly when it comes to the tee shots. When preparing to hit a tee shot, a team should set the order up a certain way. You want the most consistent, straightest driver of the ball you have to hit first, and the longest, hardest swinging, riskiest driver to hit last. The idea is to get a shot in play, then let the high risk guy swing his little heart out and try to hit one to the moon. He sends it off into the woods, no loss. You already had a shot in play. He gets hold of the ball in a big way and breaks off a 300 yarder, fantastic. You're in great shape now.
Up until now, the Cardinals have been that first guy, taking safe, accurate swings at the ball, and mostly putting it into play. They have plenty of drives that are safe right now; the time has come to really take a swing at one.
Zack Wheeler, RHP, East Paulding High School, Georgia
DOB: 30th May, 1990
6'4", 175 lbs.
So, what's so great about this guy?
Wheeler just may have the most electric arm in the draft this year outside of that dude out in San Diego that everyone's so obsessed with. There are two big high school right-handers in this year's draft, with Jacob Turner the likely earlier pick, but don't sell Wheeler short.
Wheeler's story pretty much starts and ends with his fastball, to be perfectly honest. He's got an outstanding one, with velocity sitting in the 91-94 range, topping out about 95. Even more remarkable than his velocity, though, is the movement he gets on the pitch. Wheeler throws from a low three quarter arm angle that creates a ton of sink and run on his heater. In fact, while there's been a lot of talk about him being similar to someone like a Ryan Madson, I actually think that Jake Peavey provides an excellent comparison in terms of raw stuff and delivery. The bodies aren't all that alike, but the results, to my eye, very much are.
After the fastball, Wheeler's arsenal is much less impressive. He has a breaking ball that's usually termed a curve, but it's very slurvy and inconsistent. Looking at his arm slot, I think there's a pretty good chance that a team trying to develop Wheeler likely switches him to a slider. He also throws a changeup, but has barely needed it to this point. I will say this, though: I got to see some video of Wheeler pitching in the Perfect Game showcase, and I was actually impressed with a couple of the changeups he threw. He telegraphed the pitch, slowing his arm considerably, but the pitch had wicked tumble to it, fading well off the plate to the third base side as it dropped.
The concerns about Wheeler are mostly centered on his delivery and his command. The thing about the command is that I think a pretty big part of the issue there is that he doesn't repeat his delivery all that well, flying open with his shoulder and landing inconsistently on his plant foot. Clean up the delivery, and I think the command follows. On the other hand, his mechanics themselves are a bit worrisome. Again, much like Peavey, Wheeler has the same elevation of the back elbow and long, slinging arm action. I haven't seen any slow motion video, so I hesitate to make too many judgements about his mechanics, but to me they look a little risky. Note I'm not saying they're bad, as I think his delivery is a huge reason why his stuff is so effective; I'm saying that they look to me to be somewhat high risk.
Some video for your perusal:
There's also a better video over at Takkle, but I can't embed that one, unfortunately.
My personal feeling on Wheeler? To be honest, he's actually grown on me. Early in this process, I wasn't overly fond of him. Didn't really like his delivery, pretty raw compared to the big three of prep pitchers, stuff like that. But the more I've watched him, and the more reports and things I read, the more I like him. He certainly has the kind of arm that could pay huge dividends down the road, but there are still legitimate concerns. Given the choice between him and, say, Andrew Oliver, I would have to take Oliver, who I love, but it would be a very close choice at this point.
Mychal Givens, SS/RHP, H. B. Plant High School, Florida
DOB: 13th May, 1990
6'2", 180 lbs.
So, what's so great about this guy?
Remember Tim Beckham, the #1 overall pick from last year's draft? Well, Givens is sort of like a slightly more raw version of Beckham, particularly in the bat department. The upside to Givens is that he's also drawn a fair amount of attention as a pitcher, so there's that to consider as well.
Much like Beckham, Givens is an extremely athletic player who fits well in the middle of the diamond. He has good speed, though probably not elite level, and a very good first step burst. His hands are soft, and his arm is, well, his arm is probably his best tool, to be honest. And that's where the pitching comes in.
Off the mound, Givens has hit up near triple digits, and has shown a nasty slider at times as well. To look at his delivery, on might very well think of Octavio Dotel; that's the first guy that came to mind for me, anyway.
The thing about Givens is that there is some real question about how much he's going to hit. While he has plenty of natural strength, he also has an ugly, inefficient swing that doesn't seem to produce a whole lot of leverage. The doubts about his bat, combined with his remarkable arm strength, are the reason there is so much talk about teams possibly preferring him as a pitcher to a position player.
My bottom line on Givens is this: I like him better as a shortstop, because I think his glove alone gives him the potential to be a solid player, and he has the physical tools to grow into an impact hitter, as well. At 6'2", he's very much in the mold of the bigger, Cal Ripken sort of shortstop, and could easily end up right around 200 lbs. by the time he's done filling out. He could very well end up Troy Tulowitzki, or his bat could just never develop, and he could end up a utility player that lives on his glove. As a pitcher, I think he would end up in short relief, rather than starting. Either way, I like Givens pretty well, and I would like to see the Cardinals take a player at a premium defensive position, but honestly, he isn't at the very top of my wish list.
Matt Hobgood, RHP, Norco High School, California
DOB: 3rd August, 1990
6'5", 240 lbs.
So, what's so great about this guy?
Matt Hobgood is a big, physical pitcher. A power pitcher's power pitcher, if you will. While he's only an inch taller than Zack Wheeler, one look at their frames, and you'll notice an immediate, and startling, difference.
Along with that big frame, Hobgood brings a fastball to match. He throws his heater in the low-90s consistently, and can crank it a bit higher when he needs it. He is able to hold his velocity deep into games, one of the benefits of having more present strength than most high schoolers. His curveball is one of the better breaking balls you'll see in the draft, especially in the prep school ranks, with tight rotation and hard break in the 80 mph range. His changeup lags a bit behind his other offerings, but is stronger than that of most pitchers his age.
Beyond just the raw stuff, Hobgood is also extremely competitive, and pitches with a chip on his shoulder, as they say. In fact, he can sometimes get overly aggressive and pitch out of control, but that's happened less often as his career has gone on. He attacks hitters with his heater, and shows absolutely no fear. In short, he's got that sort of bulldog mentality that has characterised many of the Cardinals recent draftees, guys like Jess Todd and Lance Lynn.
Speaking of Lance Lynn, Hobgood has a similar build, though not quite as, ahem, mature yet.
Now for the best part. I really, really like this kid's delivery.
Okay, first off, I love the tempo. He's aggressive and quick, and doesn't have any breaks in his rhythm from beginning to end in his delivery. Second, he drifts through the balance point, building momentum as he goes rather than stopping and then pushing toward the plate. Third, from what I can see of his arm action, I like what I see, though as always, I hesitate to say anything really definitive on that front without the benefit of slow motion video. I like the high glove hand, and the aggressive step toward home plate. In fact, the only thing I don't like in his delivery is how stiffly he lands on his plant leg. I would like to see a softer landing, and more finishing down and with his back more parallel to the ground, though those are the sorts of things that could easily be worked on with coaching. (And even without changing anything, I'm picking some fairly small nits here.) If you want a comp on the delivery, he actually reminds a little bit of a really big, less extreme version of Tim Lincecum. That's right. I just compared Hobgood, at 6'5", 240, to Lincecum, at 5'8", 160. (And yes, I know what Tim Lincecum's baseball card says. It's a damned liar.)
In short, I think that Hobgood is one of the really great, well, not under the radar, precisely, but slightly less hyped guys in the draft. He isn't getting the sort of press that either of the two big lefties, or Turner, or Wheeler, for that matter, are getting, but I think that maybe he should be.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and actually say that I think Hobgood might be a good darkhorse candidate for the Cardinals to pick at 19. They've shown a proclivity for bigger, more physical pitchers the past couple of years, with Lynn being one of the biggest examples (what an awful pun), and Hobgood certainly fits that mold. Moreover, I think he fits very well with the philosophies that Brent Strom espouses, in terms of his mechanics. If there is a high school pitcher in this draft that the Cards would seriously consider taking, I actually think that Hobgood just might be that guy.
Alright. 'Nother one in the can. With the draft mere weeks away now, I'll probably do nothing but draft posts from here until the day comes and goes.
The past installments:
And finally, as someone over in the feedback fanpost said how much they enjoyed it when I include random things such as song recommendations in my posts, I leave you with the Baron's song picks of the week.
Slow Club, "Christmas TV"- I'm not going to lie and try to tell you I was so cool that I already had this record or anything; no, I heard on the Chuck season finale. You want to feel good about something in life? Listen to this, and I almost guarantee that you will.
The Divine Comedy, "A Lady of a Certain Age"- Okay, look, I can't really describe this one to you. Suffice it to say that it's the sound of a song written by the sort of person who would use the phrase in the title. Got it? Good.
Little Joy, "The Next Time Around"- Also known as Fabrizio Morretti's new band (Morretti is the former drummer for the Strokes), this record is a little like what the Strokes themselves might have sounded like if they had grown up somewhere warm and sunny on a collective farm.
One last thing. I know that I haven't addressed the return of Chris Carpenter anywhere here. I'm deathly afraid of being the guy that jinxes it, so I'm just going to pretend like it's a totally normal thing. Capisce?
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Haven't gotten to the draft preview yet
But that’s a very thoughtful post, RB.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
All due respect
to the other posters here, but RB is the best. Hats off to you, RB.
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by Futility Infielder on May 21, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks, rb.
i’ve been mostly pleased (as i usually am) with posters here responding to khalil’s anxiety. there’s been a lot of impatience with his struggles at the plate but folks were quite nice here about his mental illness.
the curious part of me wants to know what the club is doing and how they see khalil’s near-term future playing out. we don’t even know if he’s seeing a psychologist or psychiatrist. i’d imagine so.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
I missed the article about Khalil
what is he doing to himself? or was it just implied? this is indeed a serious issue and the guy deserves some counseling, and I have a feeling the Cardinals is not the place to get it, as they will probably ignore the problem. and to make it worse, it seems like he’s the type of person who won’t get the psychiatric, or is it psychological?, help he needs…. if he is indeed cutting himself, or whatever it is he’s doing. I think we’d all be surprised how many people have their own personal hells that they must deal with on a daily basis. at the least, Khalil appears to be distracted, which cannot help his play on the field. very good post RB, I can definitely sympathize.
on a completely different note, I think we are all a little superstitious about Carpenter returning yet again. I sat down to do a fanpost about Carpenter vs. Dempster last night, but I scrapped it as I was writing it, since it’s a rather difficult subject. plus, it’s rather difficult to write something about these two pitchers, since one is perpetually hurt on and off again, and the other has a career where he seems like a different type of pitcher at turns. definitely should be an interesting game tonight.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Here's the link.
Forgot to include it up above; sorry about that.
The most pertinent- and frightening- part is this: “Greene admitted to feeling increasingly overwhelmed by his situation and did not dispute accounts that he has several times punished himself physically.”
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 20, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
jeez
that’s not good
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Both psychiatric and psychological help would be, well, helpful
Certain medications have been proven to help with anxiety issues, but also seeing a psychologist could help him develop a more positive outlook on things and the psychologist could also give him some exercises to help try and “leave it on the field,” as Khalil would say.
It pains me to hear that he “(punishes) himself physically,” but I can only hope that he’s just punching walls or something like that rather than any sort of life-threatening punishment. Not saying the punching of walls is great or anything, but it certainly beats the alternative…
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It could be something
like just working out too hard, too. Hopefully that’s all it is.
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Man I hope so
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If anything
We’ve seen from Zach Grienke and Dontrelle Willis that sometimes these things can be helped with a ballplayer. Almost makes you wonder how many players in history (Chuck Knoblach, Steve Blass, etc.) may have had undiagnosed issues that could have been helped.
by Expatcardfan on May 20, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
or Rick Ankiel for that matter
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Rick Ankiel too
yeah, this could be very bad. dude needs help, and the Cards or someone close to him better get on the ball & get him some before something truly awful happens.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
man
we really got the high drama team, don’t we?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe even
Josh Hancock, if you want to get dark
by Expatcardfan on May 20, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
lots of instances really
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
story of my life
it i didn’t have drama, i don’t think i’d know what to do with myself. makes perfect sense my favorite team has their own set of issues.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
ditto
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if Josh had mental health issues, though
His death could have been prevented, for sure, though.
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
sadly, it was sort of a darwin award situation
don’t drink and drive, don’t talk on your cell phone while driving, etc.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
a seemingly healthy 20-something doing what should be his dream job
Getting smashed and wrecking on the interstate by himself doesn’t exactly scream “entirely happy” either, though.
by Expatcardfan on May 20, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
that's true
but then again, it’s not like it’s abnormal
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i remember the stories about how lonely he was
being away from his family & friends back home. so yeah, Josh wasn’t happy. the Cards better be getting him some help. they’ve already lost too much as it is.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
A seemingly healthy 20-something getting smashed seems entirely normal to me
He absolutely should not have driven that night, but the fact that he drove doesn’t show any signs of any other problems. Every day in this country, people get behind the wheel of the car when they’ve had too much to drink. Many times, nothing happens. They arrive home safely, and carry on with their life as normal. Unfortunately, this is not the case for others (and the innocent bystanders who get involved).
Just because one gets behind the wheel when intoxicated doesn’t mean he’s having any life problems or anything like that; he just made a bad choice.
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to keep piggybacking on comments like I did with FunkeeC below...
but I was thinking the same thing.
yeah
there’s a mentality that says that “this won’t happen to me”… then of course it does.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
that reminds me
I need to set up one of those internet tip jar accounts
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Blah. Accidentally posted without finishing.
Anyway, yeah. Getting drunk and driving home alone is risk-taking behavior, but hell, you could argue that adolescence is a condition that leads to risk-taking behaviors. It could have been excessive exuberance. I’m trying to do my best to take a deep breath and step away from the Khalil Greene issue a tad, it just gets way too easy to assume the worst about this stuff. That said, I am worried about the guy and some of the quotes (albeit with questions about context and about Strauss) are kinda scary. The word “overwhelming” gets thrown around a bit but that is kind of a strong word choice, for one.
Why didn't this come up before they acquired him?
It sounds like Greene has a serious medical condition, and in fact had one last year before they acquired him. I’d think this is the sort of thing a team should know/find out when trading for someone. Wasn’t it in his medical records? What sort of due diligence do teams do on psychological issues?
While I am not a big fan of Greene’s, I wish him well with this and hope the Cardinals get him the help he needs.
Moz or organization fail
he said he didn’t know about the condition before he came to the Cards
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't it be that Khalil was keeping it from his employers?
Assuming he has a diagnosable condition.
hmmm
interesting if there’s no diagnosis for his condition
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point, who knows
I have been assuming he has an anxiety disorder, but was that explicitly stated in the article? I’m not sure anymore.
maybe it's just being a weird faith in christ country
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
doesnt he practice ba'hai or some other not very common in the rural midwest religion?
*and no i dont think this is why we are having this conversation
Well he went to Clemson, in upstate SC
That’s very much Bible Belt country. I’m not sure if he grew up there or not, though…
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i think he meant the STL area isn't too open minded
about different religions sometimes. it’s sad but true. if your not catholic, baptist, etc, they have a hard time wrapping their head around you.
this is not everyone mind you. the city folks are a lot more accepting than the burbs. i think that’s what chitown meant, at least that’s what i took from it. and having family there & spending a lot of time there, i can say sadly sometimes it’s the truth.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
I thought this was fairly obvious
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
For some reason I thought I saw something about having a hard time
with family with the issues or something like that in this thread. Must have been a different thread, that’s why I was talking about where he grew up. Of course, rural SC isn’t the most open-minded place on the planet…
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I still don't understand the point
Greene’s anxiety is related to his ba’hai faith? or people just think he has anxiety because of his faith?
What is the “weird faith in christ” issue? This just sounds really offensive to me.
w/o speaking for the poster
he was implying that the area (referred to as christ country) might not be accepting of his faith which would be rare in the area….
And the point being?
That because of that he has anxiety? or that people are misunderstanding him because of his religion?
Whatever, I’ll drop it. I just don’t understand why religion was brought into this discussion at all.
sorry
guess it wasn’t a very good point, I was sort of grabbing at straws trying to figure out what is going on with him
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Greene's Head
I’m a MFT (Marriage and Family Therapist) and LPC (Licensed Professional Counselor) and anxiety is nothing to mess with and I have worked with quite a few clients with anxiety issues, not to mention several family members. If he really does have a real anxiety problem then it can be quite fixable/managed with medication and therapy. Giving him days off and playing him in only certain spots isn’t going to help the guy. Anxiety is one of the things that some times just comes and goes without a real trigger, although some have very clear triggers. I say DL him, put him on some happy pills, give the pills a few weeks to work, get him into therapy, and see what happens. He has been talented in the past and it would shame to see someone waste some God-give skill and ability.
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great post
I just read the PD article, and agree – I’m hoping that the Cardinals are doing everything they can to help Khalil. Things like this aren’t just a baseball thing or a job thing, they’re a life thing, that can have serious implications on not just Khalil, but the people around him. I just wish all employers would try to take some responsibility and help out their employees when they need help like this.
the sad truth is
it’s just easier for them to ignore it
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there any basis at all for a statement like this?
Do you know the team isn’t supporting Greene’s treatment by the appropriate medical personnel? Do you know that he isn’t on medication or what the team’s an/or Greene’s position is on this?
And why in the world would it be “easier to ignore” anyway? How do you know that the Cards don’t care about him as a person and a ballplayer?
Isn’t the obvious deduction that “ignoring it” won’t make Greene’s issues better, and in turn, won’t fix his performance issues?
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 20, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
well
I was more referring to employers in general… so no, not really
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
holy crap.
i have to make a case here.
fangraphs just added pitch-type linear weights to their site. the stats show the value above average of each pitch type in runs.
i’d like to draw your attention to one joel pineiro and a certain fastball.
2005 -18.4
2006 -21.8
2007 -10.3
2008 -20.1
2009 1.9
which one of these doesn’t belong? he went from having a fastball that was worth NEGATIVE 2 whole wins (granted, over a whole season) to one with actual positive value (admittedly, over 7 weeks).
this is a great tool to look at someone like pineiro or franklin (anybody want to take on that cutter?) who adds a new pitch to their repetoire. it’s easy to say “well, maybe the sinker turned it around” but hard to quantify. this is a great tool. this should help us isolate what pitches are effective and not effective. should be interesting to apply in the future.
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I thought the PD had a story where he attributed his success to the sinker
I think it was the game recap and he said that he only threw 2 four-seamers last night.
I think we likely give the credit to Dunc on this one if that is the case.
Tony doesn't mince words
“he’s really beating himself up about it”
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions
I for one
hope we sign that Hobgood character
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions
He looks like a better pick than Kozmanaut.
Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pithcers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them.
great stuff per usual Red
i’m looking up those music suggestions right now.
i’ve never been around someone who cuts themselves. my family does have a history of mental health issues though. i had a couple aunts on my mom’s side who had to be put into mental hospitals because they flat out lost it & were a danger to themselves & others. i have one aunt now on my dad’s side who’s recently been in & out of a hospital. it’s not something to be treated lightly, and i hope the Cards are taking the steps to get KBot some help.
i don’t know how much i feel his pain, but i do know i can’t get outta my head sometimes. admitting you need help isn’t a sign of weakness though, but considering how locker rooms work, it pretty much is for him. it’s not a good environment to be in when you need help. especially for an athlete who makes millions of dollars. ego’s are bad news in this instance. sadly there’s probably not a lot of sympathy for KBot from his teammates. there’s still a big stigma attached to a man, especially a pro athlete, needing a therapist & needing meds to help deal with some form of mental issues. i know i could never admit to those close to me i need to talk so someone after all the crap my family has been though. it’s just not something a guy can easily do. men are supposed to be strong & able to handle anything. but we aren’t all wired like that, and admitting we do need help, well that’s just something some men cannot do.
i hope that’s not the case here. i hope he’s getting help & talking to someone. i hope the Cards are just being private & not telling the fans about it & not simply ignoring the warning signs. because if they don’t, i’d hate to see what will happen.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
well
the cards CANT release what kind of treatment is going on unless kbot signs a release, hell the cards cant even learn about it w/o the players permission. we dont and shouldnt know whats going on unless he wants to let us in on it. and to be honest, how would it be helpful to discuss his therapy in the media? thats my biggest problem here. we COULD be making a giant mountain out of a molehill. we just dont have really any actual info on whats going on.
agreed. I think few people understand that the Cards legally (HIPAA, etc.) can't talk about...
Greene’s medical condition. TLR HAS to say things like “we’re going to give him some time off” (or simply “no comment”).
Let’s not equate “ignoring Greene’s condition” with the Cards organization not talking about it in the media.
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 20, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Seconded
Goold talked about this on our UCB Radio Hour earlier in the year, about how sometimes the med staff just can’t put stuff out there and then, when the player is worse than expected, they get the blame.
Thanks for saying that
I was having vague thoughts in the same direction but you put it better than I could have.
I really hope that if K-Bot does diagnosable anxiety problems, he gets treatment for it. But for all we know he’s been seeing a therapist or psychiatrist regularly and he is simply going through a rough patch. Beside the obviously sensitive nature of the issue there is the overt, legal issue of confidentiality. Because of all these uncertainties I am not really to assume very much about the Greene situation, and besides that it’s pretty unlikely that we as fans are going to get any reliable or substantive information about it any time soon.
for some reason I have this desire
to see Larussa as Professor X and the Cardinals his school for gifted youngsters. anyone have some free time to photoshop this?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions
Just wanna say KG hang in there it can and will get better. He has the right frame of mind from what I have read of him to handle this it just might not be feasible to mend himself and play baseball.
Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pithcers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them.
perhaps that's the approach they are taking
since we don’t know much, maybe the lessened playing time coincides with some counseling, etc. and that way he doesn’t have the added stress of getting benched for extended periods of time and having to explain to the media that he has issues. sounds like it might actually be getting handled well if this is the case.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That's entirely possible.
Even so, the whole less playing time thing worries me. I know that if I’m having trouble dealing with failure in my chosen profession, the last thing that I need is not only to have trouble doing my job properly, but to then be forced to sit and watch someone else fill in for me because I can’t do it. All the while, there also just happens to be 40,000 people sitting there, and all of them are staring straight at me, because there’s something wrong with me and I can’t do my job and because I can’t do it I have to sit here while someone else has to fill in and everybody knows why I’m not out there and-
See where I’m coming from?
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by the red baron on May 20, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
the guy probably should just take a short sabbatical… but then again, maybe he requested that he still gets some playing time, who knows.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
while i see where you are coming from
The onus to voluntarily DL has to come from Khalil. If he’s being treated, then his professional and he (if he’s being treated) would have to determine if continuing to work is a healthy part of his treatment.
It’s not up to the cardinals to determine this. All they can do is determine whether he’s a viable part of the team in his current mental state.
but maybe he has made great friends on the team, maybe he doesn't have great family
support. maybe he would regard leaving the team as a huge personal failure. maybe getting up and going to the ballpark keeps him from laying in bed all day. a lot of unknowns.
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by tom s. on May 20, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i agree
if what Joe said is correct we can’t assume he’s getting help. and sitting watching everything go on without him has to be killing him. watching the world spin madly on & pass you by is not easy to do. it tears you up inside because you really are powerless to stop it. believe me, i know this all too well.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
Joe shouldn't have said anything
if he couldn’t provide any context. It got the P-D a lot of attention, though.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
i missed the MO interview this AM
here it is in case you want to take a listen. i just listened to it & he covers almost everything Cards related. says the KBot thing is something they can’t talk about. which makes sense. says he talked to KBot & he’s hopeful he’s on the right track & getting the help he needs. which is very good news.
and yes, Joe should have kept his mouth shut.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
really!?
he’s my favorite non-cardinal player, sign him up! he would look perfect in a cardinal uni
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Derosa? I would rather have Wallace or a healthy Glaus but long as we don't give up to much what the hell?
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next question is what it would take to get him in a trade...
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
mlbtraderumors says....
they are looking for a major league ready arm….
their bullpen has been horrible….
Hmm
Perez/Motte + some middling AA prospect for DeRosa?
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Blaine Boyer!
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 20, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking Jess Todd
but I guess he’s not major league ready (plus it would be dumb to trade him away I think)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
he may be more major league ready then some of their bullpen
but yea…i’d like to hold onto todd…he should be starting IMHO
Isn't DeRosa in his walk year?
I wouldn’t be giving up much for him, if that’s the case.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
If we wanted to include Boyer in a package for DeRosa
We’d have to put in a good prospect or something. No way they’d want Boyer as the centerpiece of a trade. I mention Motte/Perez because, while I like them both, they’re almost redundant.
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
duncan or ankiel and boyer
might get it done
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
major league ready arm?
hmmm…
Rick Ankiel?
by _pistol_ on May 20, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm thinking...
with the way Welle has been throwing and the way Boggs at least gave us a chance to win each time he went out, trade Welle for Derosa. The contracts are similar and Welle is a ML ready arm. The only thing is that Carp has to be healthy to make Welle expendable.
Why not pick up Derosa?
Let him play 3B until Wallace is ready (next year or whenever) then move him wherever the hole in the lineup. It’s flawless!
(Shit, it would probably take Wallace to get him)
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
For some reason I thought he signed an extension with the Indians. If we could get him without giving up Wallace (or Rasmus), sign him to a 2-year extension for not much, I’d be totally on board.
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't this the same Derosa the Cubs moved to make room for Miles?
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Isn't that the same Haren the Cardinals moved to make room for Mulder? (sorry to reopen old wounds)
Just because a team makes a move doesn’t mean they’re great judges of talent or it was a good move.
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
the cubs are not smart at that kind of thing
my guess they would be doing a lot better this year if they would have kept him
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Moved
to make room for Bradley, more like it.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
that worked really well
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Sort of like Kerry Wood was moved for Kevin Gregg
I don’t trust the Cubs player evaluations at all, so that doesn’t trouble me one bit.
All i am saying is I wasn't that impressed with Derosa.
Looking at his stats his bat looks like it plays well at 2B. At 3B I can’t see how a Barden type player(we have one) wouldn’t be as good or better. Also we don’t have to give up anything for Barden.
Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pithcers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them.
he's better than barden
and he is a true utility player…plus i’d rather having him starting at 2nd against lefties than ryan or thurston
and hit the reply button
reply dude
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
derosa was one of the cubs best hitters last year
and granted he won’t have as many home runs as he did while playing regularly in Wrigley, but still, he’s about as well-rounded a player as you’ll find in the major leagues
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you give up a Motte or Boggs for him? Because that sounds like what they are looking for in return.
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Reply WIN!
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
What did I win?
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the ability to reply
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Neat.
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woohoo!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhh...the self-conscience that you lowered the collective VEB blood pressure
after all those reply FAILs?
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm. How many internet dollars can I sell that for?
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one million ID
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Cha-ching...I am going to buy the Post Dispatch.
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You think they're worth a million?
Give it some time, the price will go down and you’ll save some internet dollars.
LOL.
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it was somehow cathartic
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
perhaps Boggs...
I dunno, Derosa would solve a lot of problems imo
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd do that in a heartbeat
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
would you do more than that
not sure i would…derosa is a nice player to have…but i’m not giving up and major talent for him
well
that’s some nice players, so no, probably not. too many scenarios though, I suck at trade proposals
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd part with Robinson but I really like Walters.
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Doubt that's nearly enough
Walters hasn’t done much in the majors yet, Robinson has two redeeming qualities: speed and scrappiness. They’ll undoubtedly want more for that, since their GM isn’t an idiot.
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
probably right
but it is as high as i’d go…unless you can assure me derosa plays like he did last year
No way of assuring that
But he does know the NL Central pitchers better than AL Central pitchers, would that count for anything?
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
he won't be playing at wrigley as much
but yeah, I think he could step it up a bit if he came back over to the NL
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldn't it
but i would certainly explore if they would be willing to take less than motte or boggs
How about Blake Hawksworth?
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He would probably pull a Haren and then we'd be sorry as we learn that our new 3B has a shoulder injury.
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man
it’s ridiculous, Haren’s WHIP this year is below 1
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I did hit the reply button. Also I would rather have Ryan. Derosa is a nice player but,
I don’t see a need for him until we get more info on Frees & Glaus and to wether or not we will see Wallace soon.
Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pithcers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them.
if we want to win now...i'd rather have derosa if the price is right
ML veteran over rookies trying to find their way every day…if we don’t have a chance to win, then call up freese or wallace.
and you arent hitting the reply button
You are wrong. I found that button that I thought I lost. Look up a few posts . I am a rich man now...on the internet.
Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pithcers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them.
I figured as much but I wanted to practice my reply skills.
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by Red Blazer on May 20, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
God Damn It Man! I thought I hit the Reply. I guess that doesn't work as well huh?
I did hit the reply button. Also I would rather have Ryan. Derosa is a nice player but, I don’t see a need for him until we get more info on Frees & Glaus and to wether or not we will see Wallace soon.
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What's a browser?
Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pithcers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them.
I was thinking the same thing...
Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pithcers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them.
since there was mention of music today
I’d like to recommend the album ‘Hideout’ by Film School, it never gets old, and I’ve listened to it like 1000 times
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions
i just discovered The Airborne Toxic Event's
Sometime Around Midnight
killer song. freaking killer song.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
expound a little
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
enjoy
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
You would have discovered it earlier
if you had taken my advice back during the holidays.
(Insert winking smiling emoticon here)
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 21, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
how the hell did i miss that?
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
The Series
Given our last two weeks of dismal performance, how huge would it be if we could take this series vs. the Cubs? Jo-El pitched a phenomenal game last night, as has been frequently stated, but it was even larger in the context of the injuries and lack of offense. Now, we have Carp starting Game 2 with Ankiel probably starting. We could win this series, which would be a big head-to-head win, in retrospect, as the season progresses. I’m very interested to see how the remainder of Ludwick’s DL stint goes for the club playing in his absence.
Lastly, who do you folks think bats #2 tonight?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
rasmus
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually think he will be
I think they’ll put Rick in at RF probably
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
for some reason I think it will happen
Tony will see the light
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be awesome
But at this point I’ll be happy if Rasmus is in the lineup at all. I know he’s hot and everything, but I am just waiting for the talking heads to start pointing out that, with the big addition of (a pre-injury slumping) Ankiel, we don’t want Too Many Lefties in the outfield. Though Duncan seems to be slowing down so Colby’s probably safe until Luddy returns, I guess.
Call me greedy
But a sweep of the Cubs would do wonders for this team.
My guess on #2 hitter is Thurston, unfortunately. Tony will move Rasmus back down to #6 or so to “get more RBI opportunities”
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd forgotten that Ankiel will probably start tonight
It wouldn’t surprise me to see Ankiel in the #2 hole, to “get more pitches to hit.” Still expect Raz down in the order. Guess:
Schumaker 2B
Ankiel CF
Pujols 1B
Duncan LF
Molina C
Rasmus RF
T. Greene SS
Carpenter P
Thurston 3B
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
hope springs eternal.
i am going out on a limb to say tony seizes the injury as an excuse to keep rasmus in CF. some comment about “rick has to heal up from his injuries, so we’re putting him in right with less ground to cover.” i think tony has to know that rasmus is a better CF, and the injury gives him the chance to do it gracefully.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
I disagree
I see Tony saying “Rick is more natural at CF, he’ll want to get back into the groove without having to do anything too out-of-the-ordinary (for him)” and thus justify putting Ank in CF and Raz in RF.
Really, if you think about it, there’s no justifying Ank ever being in CF and Raz in RF. Ank has the superior arm (not to take anything away from Raz’s arm), and Raz covers more ground and is the better fielder. But, I’m not Tony La Russa.
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
You, sir, are freakishly accurate in your prognosticating.
If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.
by the red baron on May 21, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
my guess
Schu
Razzle
Pu
Dunc
Molina
Ank
Bardo
Greene the younger
P
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
they won't bat Carp 8th...
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
also
to explain this a bit, I think that in Tony’s eyes, Rasmus has won the job and Ank has to win back playing time now. he even hinted at it in some quote I read somewhere (which probably doesn’t mean a damn thing now that I think about it)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You think Barden will start over Thursty?
Against the righty?
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
well
that’s my guess and I’m sticking to it (never know with TLR) but yeah, good point
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the only thing
“never know with TLR”
Something else that should be emblazoned on a shield and translated to Latin
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Larussa Uncertaintus
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure that was a spell in the last Harry Potter book…..
by Cardinal70 on May 20, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
TLR
Duncan seems primed for a game starting in the #2 slot, since TLR loves to bat guys there so they can bust out of a slump. That said, Ankiel has batted there more than he should this season and tonight seems like a situation where TLR would love to bat Ankiel in front of Pujols. While I think that Rasmus should bat #2, I, too, think it will probably be Ankiel.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
actually Duncan at #2 makes a lot of sense to me
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd do it all the time, if Ankiel and Ludwick were healthy
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
dang
I miss that lineup
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Man have we gone all day with no mention of Carp?
Is it wrong for me to get all hot about the game tonight?
on a related note
I spoke to a cubs fan that didn’t even know he was pitching tonight earlier today. it didn’t make him very happy to find out that Carp is pitching against the Cubs hitting
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
rats!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
2 mentions
once at the end of rb’s post, and I had a post that I mentioned I scrapped a fanpost about Carp due to anxiety
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we're all anxious about Carp's return (again)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
As I've been with every Carp start since Opening Day 2007
I’m cautiously excited.
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
sure
if you have any free shrinks, that’s cool
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
And it's gonna be on ESPN
So I can watch it!
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoever it is, they'll suck
I’ll be watching the Cubs broadcast, assuming it’s not blacked out.
....
national broadcast there won’t be a Cubs or a Cards version, it will just be ESPN
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
Is that right?
I’ve had ESPN go to ESPNews unexpectedly before, then when I check out why, it says there’s a Braves game on ESPN. When I look at the local Braves stations, they’re showing the game. Maybe it’s just a Braves thing.
(I live in the Braves TV market)
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was a national thing
My understanding was that once ESPN had a game they got exclusive rights to it, but maybe it doesn’t work if they pick up the rights at the last minute or something.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
I know that's how it works with Fox
But maybe since ESPN is a cable channel, while Fox is national, that’s how they do it? I dunno, just thinking out loud.
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
ESPN may get “cable” rights but can’t win out over local stations. That could mean they could take over from Fox Sports but might not be able to take over from WGN.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
only 3-5 games a year
can the WWL & your locals can show the same game at the same time.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
Not exclusive?
I thought Sunday night was the only time ESPN has the exclusive window. I know I’ve watched the Cards on FSMW and ESPN at the same time on weekdays at times.
guess I was wrong
I thought when ESPN had rights that they had all of them
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
I finally had a synapse and checked cubs.com
It will apparently be on both ESPN and Comcast Sports Net.
You mean that wasn't Carp last night?
What? That was Joel Piniero!? Holy F#$K!!!
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by RunninRedbird on May 20, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that Piniero has done his best Carp impression...
let’s hope that Carp does NOT do his best Jo-El impression.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Well spoken on Khalil
I completely agree. A mental illness should be treated just the same as a broken bone or body fracture. It’s not just a “bad say.”
On with the (good) youth movement!
i actually kind of disagree
broken bones and body fractures heal…emotional/mental illness often don’t…he needs lifelong treatment
actually
I miswrote it, so you’re off the hook!
That should say “bad DAY.” I agree it needs lifelong treatment. I was more referring to that it shouldn’t be taken lightly. despite all of the typos and misreads, I think we’re in the same boat.
On with the (good) youth movement!
OT: Maybe the NBA draft Lottery isn't rigged after all
i really figured Oklahoma city was going to get the #1 pick and therefore Blake Griffin who is from….Oklahoma city
Who else is really excited for tonights game?
I hope Steve Phillips doesn’t ruin it for me.
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
I'm soooo glad they still air it on FSN locally
I’ll take Al over Phillips any day. Sucks for you though…
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by RunninRedbird on May 20, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ankiel not back yet after all?
The Rotoworld sidebar thingie says, per Bernie, that he’s apparently not coming off the DL yet after a workout today, and more info to come.
Source: Rotoworld sidebar thingie on the front page, and Bernie. I’m not providing a link to the front page, so nuts to you!
oh yeah
forgot, that his playing today depended on the workout that he did
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
I don’t like the sound of this. I suppose we’ll have to wait and see what information becomes available closer to game time. Hasn’t he been playing in extended Sprint Training? I wonder what the issue is…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
hope he didn't actually have a concussion...
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yesterday
Goold had a post on Ankiel. Ankiel played CF the other day and DH’d the day before that. This was TLR’s assessment, which seems prudent and appropriate:
But before La Russa slots Ankiel back into the lineup on the day the outfielder is eligible to come off the 15-day disabled list, the manager wants to see him take batting practice, watch him move comfortably in the field. He wants to be sure the deep soreness in Ankiel’s right shoulder and any other stiffness related to the headlong crash into the wall is gone.
"He’s feeling good, but we’ve got to see it," La Russa said. "See if he’s moving good, see how he’s swinging the bat and see for ourselves just how ready he is."
Apparently, the workout caused them to push Ankiel’s return back. I am happy to see that they are being cautious in this instance.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
wow
this is a 180 from last season…
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
good, i don't think he's ready for TLR to start him everyday in CF & hit 4th
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
before activating Rick? weird.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
to make room for Carp
back to 13 pitchers it seems.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
ah. who's the unlucky dude in the bullpen?
thompson? perez?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Gotta be Thompson
Maybe Boyer? Can he still go down? (minds out of the gutters)
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Boyer can go down
unless he clears waivers. That’s why the Braves got rid of him through trade. IIRC.
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by RunninRedbird on May 20, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
that was my thought.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
you mean when Ank gets back?
I don’t know but I am betting on Boyer, Perez or Motte….Tony pretty much assured Thompson of a place when asked about needing a long man.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
yes. i feel like the brad thompson love affair has to end even for tony.
i mean brad’s no aaron miles.
tony’s not even using him as a long man. and he’s not a very good pitcher. he’s getting worse, not better. i don’t think he can do anything that boyer can’t.
meh. my realistic guess is probably perez. that’s the course of least resistance.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Perez or Motte I agree
are the most likely, dumping Boyer would get a lot of people in an uproar about that trade so he almost has to stay from a fan perspective.
Random thought, while looking at the active roster I noticed both of our lefty specialists bat right handed.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
But...but....he's been GOOD!
Aside from some of the recent walkitis that’s plagued him, that is…
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
12 walks in 12 innings? that's gonna catch up with him.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
It's troublesome
But at least he’s not giving up boatloads of hits, like Thompson. When he’s controlling where his pitches are going, he’s getting batters out.
So, I guess maybe he could use some work in the minors on his control, but if it’s him or Thompson I’d rather have in the bigs, I’d take Perez every time.
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Stavinoha?
I’m surprised he’s up instead of Robinson, but I suppose he provides more powah, being taller and heavier.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
well done. i don't know if you saw azru and HL's interchange at the end of
the game the other day. this little mini-thread made my day.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
doh.
this little minithread.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Is that the one you meant?
I’m not seeing the connection…not that it wasn’t funny…
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill
formatting help
i want to post a picture from my computer’s hard drive… how do you do that using the image button when it asks for a url?
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by FredbirdisaDork on May 20, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
I'm not sure you can do that
I tried to figure out a way, and the best I could figure out is to create a photobucket account, upload the picture to that website, then post it from the URL there.
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
dang it
thanks though
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by FredbirdisaDork on May 20, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You could save it as a jpeg and upload it to flickr, I believe...
Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
honestly... its a really silly stupid picture
i dont know if it is worth the effort
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by FredbirdisaDork on May 20, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i just tried to post the file location from my computer and that didnt work
hmmmm… considering i dont have a photobucket account i may have to resort to facebook
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by FredbirdisaDork on May 20, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
imageshack.us
go to imageshack.us and just upload it, they will give you a URL to post with. It is easy to do and how I post most pictures that I want to show here.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
awesome... thanks man
ill give it a whirl
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by FredbirdisaDork on May 20, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
what happens if i close the window for that website?
will it be deleted? or will posting it here permanently add it to the thread?
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by FredbirdisaDork on May 20, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
once you post it
it will stay there forever, they never delete things (or at least have a long time before they do) so just copy the URL and paste it here and the picture will show up.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
thanks for the help
it worked (if you didn’t already figure it out)
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by FredbirdisaDork on May 20, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad to help
it was the first image site I used and it has worked for everything I need, nothing flashy
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
Home Runs + Bunts by Fungoes
I suggest everyone take a look at today’s Fungoes post. They take a look at Players that have gotten both a Home Run and a Sac Bunt in the same game for the Cards. The list includes players like Edmonds, Molina and Gibson, interesting collection really.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
well here it is... what do you guys think of my new cat?

(and yes his name is Colby)
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by FredbirdisaDork on May 20, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
It's a good looking cat
But I’m allergic to them. Luckily, I’m not allergic to Raz’s awesomeness.
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by RunninRedbird on May 20, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm highly allergic to cats too, so i'm a dog person
thank goodness for clartin though. at least i can now be in the same room with cats & keep breathing.
hopefully only the opposition is allergic to Razzell’s Dazzelling Awesomeness
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
I grew out of being alergic to them
I hope that he learns to appreciate baseball… right now he just stares at birds out the window
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by FredbirdisaDork on May 20, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Just throwing this out there
But Colby is a lock for NL Rookie of the Month, yes? I don’t know if there have been any others out-performing him.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...and I'm wanting an Allen Craig call-up!
Rookies in the Month of May w/ 25 PAs
Colby has 6 more RBIs than second place with 11, 3 more HRs than second with 4, but he trails in OPS and its component stats to Bobby Scales, right now I think it is a two horse race between them.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
I'm biased
But at this point, I’d give it to Raz. He stepped up his production when the other OFer’s went down. And I know he has double the AB’s as Scales, but I think his counting stats will go a long way in the voting.
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by RunninRedbird on May 20, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If anything Raz should be the leading non-pitcher for ROY
Only Schafer has been getting as regular playing time as Colby
They’re the only two rookies w/ more than 50 PA’s, and besides the high OBP, Schafer has been less than spectacular.
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by RunninRedbird on May 20, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the more AB's will actually help him
If Scales doesn’t see as much playing time, that means he’s not as useful to his team, not to mention that his stats come with a greater variance and standard deviation…
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
true true
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by RunninRedbird on May 20, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
just to be thorough
I checked the pitchers as well and to me none of them see to be “hot” at the moment.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
thanks for these, hugo. good links to follow.
i think jd is right. maybe tony needs to go out and make that case for colby, kind of like he did for yadi for GG — i realize rookie of the month is not the hugest deal on its own, but if the STL can keep racking up the ROM’s, it’s going to be a credit to the farm.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Going out on a limb
T. Greene for June ROM!
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
Brett Wallace for July ROM?
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by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Which'd probably set a record
for most ROM’s at third for the same team in a season. Who knows how long that award’s been given out?
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
i know that jordan whathisname-i-can't-buy-beer-or-see-an-R-rated-movie the
CF for the Braves is a great rookie, scales is having a good start, and we’re likely to see more potential entrants in the ROY race after June, but I love that we have one ROM winner already and two very legit ROM candidates this month.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
i don't know tom, if Colby won
he’d probably bench him like he benched Barden after he won.
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
horrors! i take it all back. scales for ROM!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
What have other rooks done?
He’s hit: .245/.302/.531/.853
So, I don’t know. His power has been good, but not much else.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
he's still got another week and a half for the power surge
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
check the link I just posted
I went to ESPN, sorted by Rookies and filtered to May w/ min 25 PAs, Rasmus is second in OBP, SLG and OPS to someone w/ half the ABs, he trails that same person (Scales, Cubs) and Tyler Greene in BA and leads by a lot in counting stats.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
I hope Colby stays in CF and they put the "Ricker"(silver spoons ref) in RF,
For the sake of Ricks health and the integrity of stadium walls everywhere. I swear if they leave him in CF the rest of the year he is gonna wreck himself something awful.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
Did Lilly really say that?
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...and I'm wanting an Allen Craig call-up!
by RunninRedbird on May 20, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but he should have...
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
Got to say I was really impressed by Hobgood based on your description.
I’m not a scout by any means, so I’ll just be happy with whoever the Cards pick, but I wouldn’t mind seeing this guy. Whether or not a pitcher will be successful is really a crapshoot, but I think it’s pretty good to bet on a big strong guy with a smooth delivery. That is why I liked the Lance Lynn pick a lot last year.
I don’t know if being big helps a pitcher be more durable, but it feels that way to me.
Lance Lynn
Nice to have a starting pitcher fast-tracking it through the minors. Made it to AA in the second month of his first full season and is managing a mid-3’s FIP while making the adjustment. High hopes for the big rightie.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
i don't have a ready cite, but you're right.
i believe there’s solid evidence showing that body mass (within reason — don’t know if CC tips the scales in the other direction; pun intended) tends to improve durability with pitchers.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
K Greene needs to get out of baseball
When I read the bit about him injuring himself… “WTF!?”
That is no laughing matter. If it’s come to that, then I agree with El Baron- he doesn’t need to sit, he needs to get away from baseball and get treatment.
Not to keep beating a dead issue....
….but this Khalil stuff reminds me a lot of Scott Spezio a few years back. Not to compare substance abuse with anxiety issues, but here is another guy who is obviously battling some demons while it appears the club believes he can play through it. This was the same approach we took with The Imperial and it turned out very poorly for him and his career. I like Khalil and I think he can contribute if healthy, but if he is truly not right, it’s time to give it up. It won’t hurt the club or himself at this point
Start Colby Rasmus
still weird to have yadi in cleanup, and stavinoha in the lineup at all. but not bad with what
we have.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Agreed, though I'm kind of sick of Thursty
Would rather see Boog at third and T Greene getting the start at short, but this isn’t too bad.
i'd rather Boog stay at SS
and someone, anyone find Barden to play 3rd. Thursty is an automatic out now & i’m sick of it
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
Not a fan of Boog at third
I like him fine, but Barden’s the best defender we can put there, and his bat isn’t useless.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
at least I nailed it with the Colby prediction
I wish they could have kept Shane Robinson instead of Stavy
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"The ball sank the pirate ship that had been docked in the river."
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Robinson more than Stav...
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
it's weird to be having this conversation
when not so long ago Mather and Barton would be the ones we’d be talking about.
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"The ball sank the pirate ship that had been docked in the river."
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Very odd
All winter all we could talk about were the excess outfielders. Mather’s collapse has really hurt.
and it wasn't the brightest move to trade Barton either
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"The ball sank the pirate ship that had been docked in the river."
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Boyer
will be pretty valuable by July.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
Talk about timing. Mather and Freese must be kicking themselves. They would both be big leaguers today if not for injuries.
"Rasmus doesn't hit lefties. Instead he bashes them over the head with their own bleeding arm he just raced to the mound to rip off before the ball arrives to the plate. He then smashes that baseball with the pitchers bloody arm over the wall because he does not hit lefites he bashes them." Ted Lilly
yeah
horrible timing for everyone pretty much
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"The ball sank the pirate ship that had been docked in the river."
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
the marlins have some odd fans
very, very odd.
i have no idea how they are going to fill that new park. what a stupid stupid idea
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan
they could make it so that there is only a few rows of seats
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"The ball sank the pirate ship that had been docked in the river."
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I do believe
this is the front end of a rainout double header
but your overall point is taken
I was thinking about their new park as well. I don’t know the Miami area, but I believe the argument has been that the location of the new park will in itself boost attendance.
by Scarecrow7775 on May 20, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
the only sport that seems to work in florida is football
baseball, basketball, hockey, and soccer all seem to fail or have failed
OT, sad news
Arizona pitcher Scott Schoenweis’ wife found dead at their home. Cause of death not yet determined.
Source ESPN Sportscenter
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
Link
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/05/20/20090520schoeneweis.html
Happy thoughts and prayers to the Schoeneweis family
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 20, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Geez, this sounds terribly bad
I can’t imagine what’s going on in this kid’s head:
“The 14-year-old told deputies she found the mother of four on the floor of the master bedroom. Schoeneweis was pronounced dead at the scene.”
my god, how awful
It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan

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