Cubs f/x: Pineiro's Gem

Great performance by Pineiro. Thanks a bunch.

6 months ago Harry Pavlidis 13 comments 4 recs |

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damn

I was gonna do a post on this

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 20, 2009 2:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

is there any doubt

that this was the best start of any cardinal pitcher all season?

92 pitch, 3 hit, complete game shut out, including a four pitch inning. we really needed that, joel. could be a momentum changer because tomorrow it’s like we’re trading for a cy young type pitcher and a center fielder that can carry a team when he’s hot, but hasn’t been yet this year

and if joel had that sinker and could spot it every time out, he would easily be a front of the rotation kind of guy. i bet he has a career year and signs some big contract with an al east team

gotta give it up to lilly, too. that slow ass curve was ridiculously nasty

by prophetjohn on May 20, 2009 3:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

it’s like we’re trading for a cy young type pitcher and a center fielder that can carry a team when he’s hot, but hasn’t been yet this year

You know prophetjohn, it really is.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 20, 2009 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

damn

beat me to it….

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on May 20, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting stuff Harry

looks like the vertical and horizontal movement on Joel’s sinker isn’t as much as you see with Webb/Lowe, but then I suppose we are talking about the two best sinkerballers in the game. IMO the key to Pinata’s continued success is continuing to limit the walks – he WILL give up hits with the stuff he’s got, and teams will start to lay off if he continues throwing a good 50%+ of his pitches out of the zone, but if he can restrict the number of baserunners he’ll hopefully only get tagged for occasional runs, and the HR that will surely eventually come will hurt him less.

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on May 20, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree

I will add that while Pineiro’s sinker is not the stuff of Webb or Lowe, he does have one of the top 10 GB% in all of baseball and has induced the second-most groundballs behind Halladay. His GB to FB ratio is tied for fifth amongst starting pitchers (Carp is second).

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 20, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's working!

by mattybobo on May 20, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

what the?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is a very good thing for us Cards fans:

“he’s not the same pitcher we’ve seen in the past”

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

God I hope not

Watching a guy flail through 4-6 innings, giving up at least 3 in one of those innings, got really old.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on May 20, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

I hope he’s not the same picher we’ve seen in the past

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 20, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Great stuff Harry

As always, I’m am fascinated with pitch f/x and am really going to be interested in hit f/x when it comes out, just to see if we can improve the defensive saber stats to the point where they can be considered as accurate as the pitching and hitting stats we’re using.

I would also be interested in seeing what’s going on with his release points. If you could, could you see what the difference is from, say, last August, when Piniero couldn’t throw a pitch that didn’t get hammered somewhere. That would go a long way towards convincing me that starts like this are repeatable or if we’re seeing a great start that’s going to peter out in mid-July.

If the data shows that he’s changed his gameplan (keeping the ball down in the zone, inducing groundballs, decreasing walk-rate vs. his power pitcher fastball/big curve days in Seattle) that would be a huge plus.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on May 20, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs