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Post-Day-Game Thread: May Days

I feel the same way, Adam.

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I feel the same way, Adam.

April 2009 MLB runs scored rank: 2
May 2009 MLB runs scored rank: 28

The lack of Ankiel and the diminished Ludwick count for some of this, of course. But the real problem with the offense has been diminished production from some of the April stalwarts, among them Duncan (OPS from .938 to .659) and Molina (.902 to .643), and not just foreseeable slumpers like Thurston (.778 to .654) and Barden (1.073 to .216, in 19 PA.)

The only players hitting better in May than in April through yesterday's game were Schumaker and Rasmus. 

April was probably the best month this team will have, offensively--.285/.369/.450 is arguably their best month with the bat since July 2007 (Schumaker slugs .717, Ryan hits .405, Juan Encarnacion drives in 19 for a .294/.368/.444 month in which the series hangover squad goes 15-11)--but they're better than this. Memphis is probably better than this.

In other baseball news, and wouldn't you like some, Clayton Kershaw just missed a no-hitter. As lefty prospects go, he's probably less Bud Smith and more Rick Ankiel, anyway. 

Finally, things don't look much more exciting on the minor league front: Memphis and the Quad Cities lost 1-0 and 3-1, Palm Beach is in a rain delay, up 2-0, and Springfield didn't play. 

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Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue

but definitely picked the right weekend to miss a couple of ballgames. Jeebus, can they put Welley on the DL already for something? And for the love of GOB, can we get a bat up here that has some freakin potential? 7 MIFs is bad enough, but Stav too?

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on May 17, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Truth is, it's going to get worse

Rick Ankiel wasn’t a very good hitter when he left and his coming back isn’t going to help all that much vs the Cubs and Royals this coming week.

Carpenter returning and Wainwright’s new mechanics might keep us in 4 games but outside of that, the teams uncanny knack to score late and get back into games seems to be gone. Frustrating to watch bad baseball.

by Hardcore Legend on May 17, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

plus

Ludwick is out anyway, so it’s not as if him preventing Shane Robinson from playing is going to cost us big time

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"The ball sank the pirate ship that had been docked in the river."

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 18, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"less Bud Smith and more Rick Ankiel"

So, he won’t be pitching in a couple of years. I think that’s what you’re saying.

SO glad he’s not in the NL Central.

Classic underachiever.

by spants on May 17, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Him and Billingsly

that’s a nice 1-2.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on May 17, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Kershaw is 21 and Billingsley is 24. Is that even remotely fair? Plus, they have James McDonald who is young and, while he has yet to put it together, can throw a strawberry through a freight train. It must be rough.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on May 17, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kurodi is actually really good also

He had a 3.59 FIP last year and is projected to do the same this year (although I’m not sure if projections of Japanese players are in anyway useful). And he’s under contract for a couple more seasons as well. If Jason Schmidt ever comes back and pitches like he did with the Giants, then they would have a ridiculously good rotation.

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by vivaelpujols on May 17, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kuroda is 34, Schmidt is finished, but...

They also have Ethan Martin, who most scouts think has a higher ceiling than McDonald, and Ramon Troncoso, who’s been lights out in the bullpen and should get a shot at starting next year. Rumor has it he’s the reason they didn’t sign Derek Lowe….because he’s basically a younger version of Derek Lowe — heavy sinkerball pitcher with the ability to get some strikeouts. Oh, and the best young closer in the game in Broxton and a good young set-up guy in Belisario. All of those pitchers, including Billingsley and Kershaw, are under the age of 27, and most are cost controlled for at least another 3 years.

If you add in Kemp, Ethier, Loney, and Martin (and possibly Hu if he ever proves he can hit at this level) you have a very solid young core of players. If they could add one stud free agent third baseman who can slug the ball (Jhonny Peralta via trade, or Hank Blalock via FA) you’re looking at one of the best teams in the NL for the next half decade, assuming they can keep everyone together.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on May 18, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if anyone else is watching Sunday Night Baseball on ESPN

but John Miller just called Pablo Sandoval “Kung Fu Panda”. I have tears in my eyes I was laughing so hard.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on May 17, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not watching

but I heard on SC the other day when Sandoval fell rounding second trying to leg out a triple that the Giants have given him that nickname.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 17, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that was quite funny

…and Matt Cain is absolutely all over the place. Is Wellemeyer pulling double duty? Is Wellemeyer occupying Cain’s body, like in LOST or something?

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on May 17, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I can say is

Wow.

Welcome to Baseball Heaven.

by zoomzoomj88 on May 17, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

guess you were right

ya jinxed us! j/k

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"The ball sank the pirate ship that had been docked in the river."

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 18, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Skip/Rasmus...

may be hitting better in May, but they are walking dramatically less. The two combined for 18 walks in April, they have 2 in May.

by DiscoJer on May 17, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and that seems to be happening across the board

NO ONE is taking walks. The team had a 10.8% BB/PA in apr, 5.2% in May. That’s the vast majority of the problem, right there. Combine that with a 70 point BABIP drop, and you’ve got the whole thing.

Curiously, we’re on pace to hit MORE home runs in May. As a team, we have 16 home runs and 25 BB’s. That’s an awful ratio, by itself.

- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc

by SleepyCA on May 17, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well we don't want to clog up those basepaths

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 17, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As anyone who knows anything about baseball will tell you

Being aggressive is the key to offensive success.

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on May 18, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still not sure why Tony is allowed to be a manager

Putting Robinson in Ryan in the #1 and #2 spots in the lineup, when ZIPS rest of the season projections them to have a .292 OBP and .304 OBP respectively, is just insanity. I know that we are beat up, but that doesn’t mean that Tony is forced to play all of these scrubs. He just chooses to instead of bringing up Allen Craig or Jon Jay.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 17, 2009 9:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You don't even need to look at ZIPS projections...

…to see that is a dumb idea. I mean, really, you’re kind of shooting fleas with an elephant rifle here. Like LaRussa even knows what ZIPS projections are anyway LOL.**

Footnote-My daughter says I should use LOL in conversations and stuff. I don’t know why. I know it means Laughing Out Loud, but I really don’t get why I should use it. Anyway, I love my kid so I’m trying it out.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on May 17, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

stop listening to your daughter dude

unless your Jimmy Edmonds, i don’t think men are allowed to use lol

It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan

by gdm426 on May 17, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like saying it in actual conversations

as in someone saying something really dumb and I don’t want to talk to them anymore, I’ll say “El Oh El. Tee Tee Why El” and walk away. But agree that it’s kinda lame to type out.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on May 17, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tried to submit it as a man law

but it didn’t gain any ground. to me it’s just as eay to type “haha” to communicate that you’re laughing. I’m pretty sure that I have never used the above text talk for anything, and I feel that much more of man because of it.
(small victories)

by STLRegalia on May 18, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You

sound like a very sweet dad. :)

Classic underachiever.

by spants on May 18, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it Tony or Mo that we should be angry at for not bringing up Craig or Jay?

That’s an honest question. I know at the end of the day it falls on the GM to make roster moves, but is TLR making all the decisions or what?

I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain

by jd is legend on May 17, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would think that Tony has a fair ammount of influence on who gets called up

And Mo doesn’t seem to be the guy who favors scrappiness over talent.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 17, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

here's all you need to know

there are S I X middle infielders on the 25 man. S I X

now, do you really think that’s Mo’s doing?

It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan

by gdm426 on May 17, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I count Robinson as a MIF also

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 17, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think craig is to blame

gotta improve on that .654 OPS at AAA if he wants a callup…

- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc

by SleepyCA on May 21, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but he's a hall of fame manager!

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"The ball sank the pirate ship that had been docked in the river."

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 18, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I'm watching Sunday Night Baseball...

…and I think that at some point Carlos Beltran kicked Steve Phillips’ dog. I mean, this is kind of piling on the pile that was already piled up. I guess having a 6+ WAR player is a bad thing if they get struck out on the nastiest curveball of Waino’s life or if they sailed a cutoff man that one time.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on May 17, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What's amazing...

…is that he put together a WS team. That’s what I can’t figure out. Even more amazing is that he was the guy who drafted Scott Kazmir and David Wright and signed Jose Reyes. I guess even blind squirrels occasionally find nuts.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on May 17, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course he traded Kazmir for someone sucky injured guy,

but your point still stands. Maybe he’s really Billy Beane disguised as an idiot.

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by vivaelpujols on May 17, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No he did not

That was his successor, Jim Duquette.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on May 17, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I always though it was Phillips.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 17, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phillips had a good point

about the Mets big three, Beltran, Reyes and Wright. One of them has to go. They need leadership on that team. There’s no personality. And Beltran is a passionless player. Fantastically talented, but one gets the feeling he plays for stats.

"If I ain't startin' I ain't departin'"

by templetown on May 17, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 17, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So?

If you’re playing to “make your stats better” than you’re still helping your team. In an article he wrote about Shane Battier, Michael Lewis wrote something to the effect that baseball is an individual sport masquerading as a team one, and that attempting maximize one’s own contributions HELPS, not hurts, the team. Hitting a home run can’t possibly be selfish because it’s a home run. Stealing bases at a very high rate helps your team score runs. It would be selfish if you refused to cross the plate as you were coming in on a run or something, I guess, like just veered off to the dugout or something.

Beltran posts .370+ OBP’s and .500 SLG’s every single year, like freaking clockwork. He hits 25+ bombs every single year, and has done more in the past. He’s also been arguably the best hitter in the NL this season. He’s a brilliant center fielder, but I guess he could slow down and dive more to make it look like he tries harder instead of just easily cruising to balls over the outfield. I guess diving would make him look like plays with more passion.

If you put stock in fangraph’s valuation system, Beltran is actually UNDERpaid. I mean, I guess leadership is nice, but I’d rather have people who play well.

"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.

by redbirdnation8206 on May 18, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Offense has certainly disappeared

and, left out of the above list, is the big guy. I don’t know his April/May splits (and I’m too lazy/ignorant to look them up), but they can’t be good.

Half the starting line-up being hurt at one time certainly doesn’t help, but the club’s had quite a bit of other breaks go against them too. Skip came within inches of tying up the game yesterday and Yadi missed by only a few feet in the ninth. We’ve given up tons of bleeders and bouncers while everything we hit up the middle seems to be caught.

I’m so tired of seeing Thurston swing on the first pitch every time (OK, OK, he actually worked two walks yesterday, so maybe he’s starting to get back on track..). The walk rate, as well as BABIP, has to come up some, and soon, or it’s going to be a looong summer.

by ArkansasTravs on May 17, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I went to the game and needless to say I was dissapointed

To show up to see Wellemeyer pitching against a lefty with our B squad lineup.

The worst player of the day was Khalil Greene. His swings were horrible. They were not even fluid. Like he stopped half way but than said fuck it.

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on May 17, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Danup for adding a little humor to my life.

Outside of the Cards recent slump (which is bad enough), I’ve probably had the worst week of my life. It’s somewhat trivial, but devastating nonetheless.

I read your “post game” post and I laughed for the first time in a while.

Thanks.

Your friend.

Tackle Bos.

Secret elixir, huh? Well, I'm usually more of a bourbon guy but when push comes to shove I don't know what the hell's in that either.

by Tackle Box on May 17, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My mantra is

after the last 8 games is:

I have been a Cards fan for 50 years
I am going to be positive
I am not going to get pissed off with TLR or the GM
I will not criticize any of the players, even the minor leaguers filling in for the injured
I am not going to the VEB site during games during losing streaks, there is too much angst which incites my own phlegm and venom
I love the Cards
Repeat this mantra 1,000 times a day until we are in 1st place again, which will happen before the all-star break
Over or under?

repeat a thousand times a day!

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on May 17, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

good news is

we can’t really continue to play this bad (can we?)

4B - beer baseball bands blog
"The ball sank the pirate ship that had been docked in the river."

by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 18, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Things I Learned From Sports Plus:

Wellemeyer has Flinstone’s Vitamins in his locker.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on May 17, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think I've figured it out

Tony is the Illuminati. This ploy of using relievers as starters and playing really, really shitty players is all a ploy to get himself elected GM of the team so that he can take the organization back to when players have lifetime contracts and pitchers throw complete games. He’d also like all the walls moved back 70 feet and ‘No Pepper’ signs hung about the backstop.

Albert, if you see Tony walking towards you with a firepoker….run!!!!

by Hardcore Legend on May 18, 2009 1:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, though...

NO PEPPER GAMES!

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on May 18, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you calling

our lineup shitty? It changes every day, is injury-ridden, and allows VEBers to vent. I await the day the Cardinal gods decide to bring healthy players on the field , and Boggs to replace the Colonel?

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on May 18, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not that injury ridden...

Okay, 3 guys are hurt. But 2 of them won’t be here next year (Glaus & Ankiel, at least they are FAs).

So basically it’s just Ludwick. Otherwise it’s a preview of the future. Sort of.

Rasmus is at least entertaining to watch (though I miss the Rasmus that walked a lot).

by DiscoJer on May 18, 2009 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is anybody else

getting a huge Lexus ad as the site’s new background, or is that just me?

Shows what they know, I’m a CTS man myself.

by DanUpBaby on May 18, 2009 2:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

it really makes me want to go buy a lexus.

Which reminds me, general public, can I borrow $35k?

I won’t pay it back, except in token gratitude.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on May 18, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahoi from Prague

That’s right, Prague. I have nothing else to add other than that it’s slightly odd for day games to be starting at like 10 PM and for me to come back from an entire Sunday of beer (which cost something like 5 dollars, gotta love that they aren’t on the Euro though dividing by 20 is surprisingly difficult) to a baseball starting at 2 AM. MLB.tv kicks ass.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on May 18, 2009 2:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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