Game 37 Overflow thread
by chuckb on May 17, 2009 3:45 PM EDT
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We can blame the pitching
but really, if the offense is going to get shut out every night it’s all moot anyways.
This lineup is so fking pathetic it’s unbearable. Would easily be the wost in the league w/o Pujols.
most teams would be unbearable offensively
with two starting outfielders and a third baseman disabled. The team could manage it better—Ryan, for one thing needs to be nowhere near this offense—but you have to at least consider the fact that they’re having to manage something in the first place.
the circumstances aren't really important.
it doesn’t make this team any more fun to watch right now thinking of all the people on the DL.
Just don't hit into a DP Stav
That’s all I ask
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
Yep!
Molina to 3rd!
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on May 17, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we seeing some signs of life here?
First run scored in 16-17 innings
by BTown Birds fan on May 17, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions
Huzzah!
It’s time for some Colby magic.
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
If Colby ties it here, I'm going to soil myself
by BTown Birds fan on May 17, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions
Don't get greedy...
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on May 17, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
WOOT
something to cheer about, finally….I think Parra is just gassed at this point…..21 pitches to Pujols/Molina/Stavi so far this inning…..
Manny Parra's GD pic looks like someone just told him a joke he didn't get
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
there's nothing to stop it from curving again.....
hopefully we can actually take the lead into the 9th and not have to face Hoff
That's weird - Colby's RBI fielder's choice caused our chances to go down
Not sure how to embed the pic, but here’s the link. I’d think the run would be worth more than the out in terms of win probability here….
by BTown Birds fan on May 17, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
No doubleplay
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on May 17, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank God Colby is fast
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
Khalil Mendoza
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
Careful guys
don’t you read the fanshots? We aren’t allowed to point out how much Khalil Greene sucks
off subject, btu
bryant gets away with everything including………..fouls
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
LET MOTTE BAT! LET MOTTE BAT!
Just kiddin’….
by BTown Birds fan on May 17, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions
TLR
phoning one to make parra take one for the team??haha
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Who wants to bet Thurston stays in the game and the new pitcher takes Barden's spot?
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
this should be interesting
Thurston PH for Motte.
GO UP THERE WITH THE BAT ON YR FKN SHOULDER ALREADY.
I frequently dream of the day TLR is no longer managing
but I don’t get my hopes up. This team has too many fking MIFers.
God he sucks
Why does he start 95% of the games?
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
Vs. RHP in 2009
Thurston: .250/.348/.388/.735
Barden: .313/.395/.563/.957
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 17, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean seriously
everybody can tell that Parra is completely out of gas, why go up there swinging until you have two called strikes?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Boyer in
Barden stays in the game….I thought if you used a pinch hitter there had to be a defensive rearrangement too…..
I'm hoping Thurston is finally in the Doghouse
He is the dumbest player I’ve seen in a while, he has a terrible approach to base running and hitting. But he’s gritty so that makes up for it.
I can handle bad, it’s not like Barden isn’t loaded with talent, but he actually uses is head.
We've given up 5 hits this series
and we have a very real possibility of losing both games so far, how is that even possible???
o.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on May 17, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
At least it was Braun
Douche
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 17, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh
Well then damn
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 17, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to say this
but Fielder is due, he’s 0-fer the series so far….
by nota bene on May 17, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
also...
boyer is worse vs lefties than miller is vs righties. He should never, ever face a lefty in a high leverage situation.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on May 17, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
what did i tell you
Boyer should never ever face a lefty. Could that have demonstrated that fact any better?
FU tony. Moran.
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by Felonius_Monk on May 17, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Dave, both of your pet projects
sucked balls today.
by Hardcore Legend on May 17, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
pile on
but welly has been iffy all yr
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Thank you Boyer....
Come back to Earth, where you give up long balls every time out….
The wheels have officially fallen off…
No, he's just awful vs lefties
If Miller got left in vs braun and gave up a 3-run dinger, we’d all be calling out TLR on it. Boyer is WORSE vs lefties than miller is vs righties. He should never have been facing fielder there.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on May 17, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate baseball right now
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
oh well
did you think we were going to score 2 more runs anyway??
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on May 17, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Kennedy hit a home run today
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"The ball sank the pirate ship that had been docked in the river."
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 17, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions
we just lost back to back series to the Pirates and Reds
and are in the process of doing so to the Brewers….we look like a sixth place team at the moment….
Well I believe thats about it for this one....
Someone is gonna have to pitch a gem for us to win with this offense…
I’ll be back to watch tomorrow, but I wont be happy about it.
It's really annoying that they DLed Ludwick,
I would rather they just send down a MIFer if they want to call up Stavi. I bet Ludwick was healthy enough to Pinch hit today in place of Thurston.
Hell even if he’s not healthy for 14 days, I would rather have 1 extra day of Ludwick than 14 days of a shitty MIFer or Brad Thompson.
Even when he was healthy TLR would use Ryan over him
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on May 17, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
you forget, Ryan is already LEADING OFF!!!!!
it’s hard to understand why TLR does this kind of stuff.
glad we traded barton for boyer
/sarcasm
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"The ball sank the pirate ship that had been docked in the river."
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 17, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
what the
I’ve never seen a good hitter in the non-hacker category swing at as many inexplicable pitches as Corey Hart.
by DanUpBaby on May 17, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
and realistically
we don’t need to worry about the brewers/reds this year. If we finish ahead of the cubs, we’re in the playoffs. So, good news I guess…
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on May 17, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ryan plays above average defense and a good position to do so
so the fact that he doesn’t have a bat is somewhat forgivable.
and it wouldn't be a problem
if the team didn’t have so many other guys who are also all-glove no-hit MIFs….especially since some of those guys don’t even have such great gloves….
well the worst part about Robinson is he's a Right fielder, an offensive position
and he’s going to OPS .600-650
that's awful
I thought OF depth was supposed to be one of our strengths….I can’t understand how we’re supposed to compete with both him and Stav on the team….
gotta wait for the injuries to heal.
I really don’t understand how Ank has been out so long with what I thought was soreness.
It annoys me that a team like the Brewers that does nothing but swings for the fences will be at the top of the division.
It’s such a lame way to set up a baseball team.
until ludwick is back
anyone else think we might be the worst lineup in baseball vs LHP?
I’m guessing this starting 9 is something like a true-talent .700 OPS…
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
he's pitched well this year
maybe he’s finding his feet.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on May 17, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Brewers announcers just hinted Pujols only won his GG because of his
offense and that it was a joke that a GG 1B like Pujols has 5 errors already while Fielder and Howard have none.
by Hardcore Legend on May 17, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions
Fielder's range, in particular, is phenomenal.
he’s like a panther.
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by Felonius_Monk on May 17, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
A zombie panther
who was then killed again.
by Hardcore Legend on May 17, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
with a swollen ball
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by Felonius_Monk on May 17, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Can someone tell me off the top of their head...
when we last hit a HR with runners on? (Not counting Raz’s washed away HR)
This feels like all the years before it when we
realized that some guys need to go (Mulder, Izzy, etc) for various reasons and the club decides to stick with them over and over and over much to my dismay. I’ve seen all I need to see of Wellemeyer until after a trip to the DL (make it for a stress disorder or something). I’m also nearing my wits end with Khalil Greene. I get that he’s a SS and blah blah blah but a sub-.600 OPS is only kosher for Ozzie Smith or Adam Everett.
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It's frustrating, to say the least
it feels like they don’t want to win or only want to win a certain way to prove a point.
The idea that Joe Thurston is our best bench option in a much needed RBI situation is disgusting.
by Hardcore Legend on May 17, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
La Russa needs to get himself tossed right now
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Maybe he'll punch the ump
and we won’t have to look at him for a week.
by Hardcore Legend on May 17, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
This club has no drive right now
they look listless. And Greene throws one in the dirt to 1B. Sigh.
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bounced off barden, went 30 feet in the air, greene caught and threw to first
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
and then schumaker almost gets albert killed
yeesh.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
welly's trying my patience
at least Greene has a bit of upside. My concern is that we’re playing guys who are, at best, role players in starting roles. I quite like Thurston but there’s no way he should be a starting 3B at this level. Ryan isn’t a major leaguer unless he’s playing SS, etc etc
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by Felonius_Monk on May 17, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
We've been talking about Greene's upside for a month and a half now.
Sorry, but I don’t want upside anymore from a 29 year old SS. I want him to hit the ball.
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first I want him to act like he gives a ****
he’s never going to get going if he doesn’t put forth some form of effort, Greene could become the next Encarnacion.
We all knew coming into the season
what his demeanor was. Don’t act like you’re surprised by that.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
Twas implied
He looks the way he’s always looked. Do you actually expect hat to change?
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
Juan in 2006
Had 16 win shares; 12.9 Batting, 3.1 in the field.
16 win shares = $4.9 Million from a 2006 RFer.
We paid him $3.5 Million
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
I dunno
something about that seems off to me….is there a relation between OPS and WS? Cause his 2006 OPS was .760….I don’t see how that works out to ~13 WS.
Now maybe I’m not fully conversant with the idea of Win Shares, but we only won 83 games that year, so he was responsible for ~15.5% of our wins? That just doesn’t jibe with what I remember about watching the guy play….
just my $.02, could be totally off the mark, etc
I think we agree on how
we remember Juan.
I just think he was worth 3.5 Mil and found the only way I could to back that up.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
win shares
are your win total times three, so it’s less than that. I was a Juan defender at the time, based on the idea that his defense made him an average right fielder, but it seems like the updated UZR numbers don’t bear that out. He was an expensive mediocrity, but I think the flack he got was disproportionate to what he cost the team.
his bat wasn't bad
he definitely struck out too damn much…..but I think really the reason people were so negative about Juan is that the fans had the impression (rightly or wrongly) that he didn’t give his best effort all the time. YMMV.
KG is now in that category, again regardless of whether that impression is correct.
Juan was also sold
by the FO as an above average player (kind of like K-Bot) and was replacing a very popular Larry Walker. His slighty above mediocrity play and visual lack of effort was a perfect storm for fan malign.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
? i sometimes wonder if people watch the same games i do.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on May 17, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
nobody outwardly wants it more than mr. joe thurston
I don’t think watching a guy on TV every day gives us any real insight into their desire to become better baseball players.
thurston has about 1/10th of the talent Greene has
the fact is I believe it was too easy for him to get here and thus he doesn’t care. If i’m not allowing to speculate about such things on the internet, then where can I.
thurston
was also a top prospect at one point, one of the best in baseball. You’re allowed to speculate, but I just don’t think there’s any way of getting the necessary information from a guy’s facial expression and mannerisms.
Khalil Greene broke his hand punching a storage box in the dugout after his 100th strikeout to end his 2008 season, for what it’s worth. I doubt it was because he suddenly realized how goofy his hair looked.
a month and a half
really isn’t much of a SS.
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by Felonius_Monk on May 17, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
I thought he’d bounce back when he got out of PETCO, but it just isn’t happening. I wouldn’t be upset at all if they moved him or even DFA’d him.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
I'm rooting for a trade
I dunno what they could possibly get for him though, he’s got to have minimal trade value ATM
It wouldn;t be much of a prospect
Probably a career minor league bullpen guy. Maybe like a RH specialist that was buried in his current org…
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
Evan MacLane
twirled another gem in Memphis.
Big strike out game again, 25 Ks now in 28 innings.
by Hardcore Legend on May 17, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions
One of these crappy defensive infielders is going to get Albert hurt this year
dragging him off the bag all the time with their errant throws.
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I remember
everybody being surprised at how good Glaus was in the field….he wasn’t Rolen but he was still damn good….
Baseball Related Math...
(2009 STL Cardinals Projected Roster) – (Glaus, Ankiel, Ludwick) + (Robinson, Stavinoha, Additional Playing Time for our umpteen utility infielders) = Garbage Offense
That’s the bottom line. I may submit said research to a mathematical academic journal. We shall see.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on May 17, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions
I see no apparent errors.
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by Felonius_Monk on May 17, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
This theorum applies to offense only
However, I suppose you could bang together one for our pitching staff as well…
(2009 Projected Pitching Staff)- (Carpenter) – (2008 Todd Wellemeyer) + (The Real Todd Wellemeyer) = horrors.
But you know what though, when you get a good pitcher off the DL, it’s like making a great trade without having to make a great trade. And, when you get your other ace’s arm slot fixed, it’s like trading for SECOND good pitcher, and, once again, you didn’t make ANY trades!!!
You know, it really is.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on May 17, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
at least he didn't make an error
though watching the ricochet bounce off the seats and hit him in the head was kind of funny.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
"He has played his position flawlessly and covered a lot
of ground out there"
He covers a lot of the Earth is what you mean.
by Hardcore Legend on May 17, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions
It's good to see our 2nd best hitter getting an at-bat
finally in a 6 run game in the 9th inning.
by Hardcore Legend on May 17, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
as bad as he is against lefties, he would've had the good sense to take a pitch after the pitcher threw on over his head
unlike Thurston.
Sorry to keep harping on Thurston, but a player hasn’t gotten on my bad side like him in a while.
Uncle Rico had a chance, but he didn’t see significant playing time.
thank god that's over.
have a feeling tomorrow will be just as bad, though.
- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc
Will the Cards see Greinke next weekend?
He may throw a perfect game.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on May 17, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions
It looks like he is
It would appear he’s going Thursday. Good. The dude has a 0.60 ERA. Freaking video game numbers.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on May 17, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That subject made very little sense.
"Your Holiness, I'm Joseph Medwick. I, too, used to be a Cardinal."-Joe Medwick, to Pope Pius XII.
by redbirdnation8206 on May 17, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh
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"The ball sank the pirate ship that had been docked in the river."
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 17, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions
You may as well pencil in Welly for a loss every 5 days
He’s looked absolutely pitiful – and I think the Cards are also headed in that direction.
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