Say it ain't slow, Joe
by DanUpBaby on Apr 28, 2009 10:00 AM EDT
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PrintWho am I, I guess, to judge Joel Pineiro if he wants to continue to be a Zero True Outcomes pitcher? He finally got that strikeout—swinging, even!—but until then Pineiro had lived by the Platonically perfect Dave Duncan mantra, pitching to all manners of contact and throwing 84-89 mile an hour sinker after 84-89 mile an hour sinker. (Gameday says Pineiro threw two 90 mph fastballs—one to Jordan Schafer in the second, and another right before Francoeur picked up the sacrifice fly.)
I'll say this for Jo-el—he's made himself in Dave Duncan's image like few pitchers before him, because he doesn't really have any other options. Marquis was a thrower at heart; Woody actually struck the occasional batter out. Pineiro is a blank slate on which hitters can project their every whim, although in his defense he did pick up 13 groundouts to just 5 flyouts. (Pineiro can't be happy with that 1:18 pickoff/pitching-out ratio, though.)
After this most recent performance, Pineiro is officially below the Cornejo Line.
Allow me to explain: In 2003, Nate Cornejo spent an entire season in the worst-Tigers-ever rotation and managed to strike out an astonishing 46 batters in nearly 200 innings, for a K/9 of 2.13. His month of May might have been the zenith of all pitching to contact since they began to count foul balls as strikes—in one of the free-swingingest seasons of all time, in the league with the designated hitter, on the neo-Cleveland Spiders, Cornejo struck out five hitters in forty innings, for a K/9 of 1.13.
Despite walking ten and allowing five home runs, Cornejo won two games and threw up an ERA of 2.72. For the 2003 Tigers!
At 2.05 strikeouts a game Pineiro isn't quite at the Cornejo Apex, but through the month of May he's officially below the line, and to make matters even Duncier he's avoided the walk and the home run as well. This is an impossible pace to keep up, provided Joel Pineiro isn't Tommy John, the patron saint of striking out fewer than three batters a game, but look at it pragmatically: the Cardinals have now gotten one more month of solid pitching out of Joel Pineiro. How it happened doesn't matter, so long as he—well, starts to strike out another two batters a game in the near future. Three would be even better, while he's at it.
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How many interations did you come up with before you settled on Duncier…Duncannier, maybe?
I said yesterday that Wellemeyer didn’t appear to want to get people out with his fastball, he was very tentative with it—Joel (in his current incarnation) is the other half of that equations, doesn’t have much of a fastball but is agressive with his.
Joel being Joel
What Joel’s doing right now is absolutely perfect. He’s playing to his strengths. He’s throwing his sinking fastball ( which is a glorified changeup) and letting hitters geared for the heat to bounce them to the ss. Just imagine what happens if he decided that he wants a little more glory and tries to become a strikeout pitcher. He might be able to get up to 4 or 5 per game but he’s going to give up 8 runs per game and last 4 innings, and the offense cant keep giving him 9 runs forever. I think that Joel is behaving like someone who has bought in to the LaDuncan M.O. That is that everyone do their part to help the team win at the expense of personal goals or accolades. Albert as good as it gets doing that. ALbert is one of the few sluggers content to move runners over if that’s what will win even though it may not bump his slugging % up. Joels’s playing Cardinal baseball. He’s being the Anti-Soriano
I agree
that Pineiro is pitching in the way best suited to his talents, but it’s worth mentioning that, Tommy John aside, almost no pitcher has ever been consistently successful in a modern baseball environment while striking out fewer than four batters per nine innings. Pineiro will probably start striking out more batters by default pretty soon—people just naturally strike out more often than they have against him thus far—but if they don’t he’s in for a course correction at some point.
I'm just glad
Ray Lankford isn’t batting against him
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Career vs Season
While Tommy John had a great career, the Cards (FO and fans) are looking for a just a good season from Joel. We just need to squeeze 26 more starts in 2009 out of him before we jettison him to Milwaukee.
When Pineiro is pitching...
… I expect to see the little perspiration lines coming off him from RBI baseball (when your pitcher is exhausted and can only throw 45 mph).
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
It's fun to see how many Ks you can rack up against the computer opponent
even after your starter’s arm turns to jell-o. I was once able to get Cox to go a whole game and strike out 21 batsmen. Of course, the computer is dumb as rocks so that’s a big help.
What sucks is
playing against a human opponent after playing the computer a lot. You can’t make them swing and can’t swing at everything yourself either.
It's funny how far baseball video games have come
In RBI baseball, you had perspiration lines when you were tired. And you threw slow.
In MLB 09: The Show, my Road to the Show player recently questioned his manager’s decision to remove him from the game. The manager promptly told him that he was sucking, demoted him to the bullpen to learn some humility, and put his ass on the trading block.
if i had 400 bucks
i would get a PS3 just for this game
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
me too I am saving up for it
I plan on using my tax return to get it
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Apr 28, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
his babip is ridiculously low
just a few ticks above .150. while i love what he’s doing it seems he has been pretty lucky. as discussed before here, the margin for error is pretty slim. remember the games when jason marquis couldn’t get the sinker to work? marquis is one of his top comps.
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Unmaintainable...
…but as long as Joel is just the 5th starter and that is his only role, we are probably OK. Heck if he ptiches to a 4.50 era the rest of the season, the offense will win half of those. He could very easily win 14 games…
by BigJawnMize on Apr 28, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what I've been saying for over a month now
Joel will win at least 14 this year.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 28, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
only 10 more to go
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
where are you getting that # for BABIP?
Fangraphs has his BABIP at .298
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
my bad
you are right. i’m not sure what i was looking at when i wrote that.
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by themanthemyth on Apr 28, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
baseball-reference
has JP’s BABIP @ .315, which would indicate he’s been getting unlucky.
….let that one sink in for a second. (No pun intended.)
I said it last night
BABIP isn’t concrete. It’s a spectrum. A “lower-than-normal” BABIP isn’t lucky if the contact the pitcher is giving up is soft. I mean, say a pitcher only gives up weak pop flies. If there’s a BABIP of .200 on those, that’s actually un-lucky. Joel was giving up soft grounders for most of the night last night. He had a loud out and a screaming double right before they (wisely) took him out. It’s when his BABIP is low and he’s giving up liners right at guys, that’s when we need to worry.
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Compare it to the pitcher's past BABIP
It creates a larger sample and gives you a better idea if the pitcher is getting lucky, given his approach.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He's only .004 below his career average
I believe I’ve read somewhere that BABIP should be LD% + .120, is that correct? If that is right, then his BABIP should be .296, which is .004 less than he’s giving up right now.
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
see here
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/4/26/853867/emoting-small-bears
re: the LD% +.120 thing. It’s likely somewhat imperfect, especially for a pitcher pitching “oddly” like Pinata is at the moment. My post is about 2/3 of the way down…
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Owes Brendan Ryan a Coca-Cola
Despite Dan’n’Al’s blathering on and on and on about Brendan Ryan’s defensive exhibition at SS last night, which is a happening that usually finds me taking the exact opposite stance, Brendan Ryan was terrific with the leather at short. Jo-El owed him an home-bottled Coca-Cola after that performance, which was downright Izturian (even down to the 0-fer-4 performance at the plate). I will still groan when Brendan is penciled into the starting lineup, but will groan more quietly if he maintains this level of defensive performance.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Looks like...
…Joel’s turn in the rotaion might be Ryan’s day to start.
by BigJawnMize on Apr 28, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
as maddening as tony’s tinkering can be, that is one move that makes sense.
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by themanthemyth on Apr 28, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
that's what I was thinking
lots of grounders…
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
watching the highlights
I can’t get this out of my head: Jo-el paying Brendan Ryan in cheetos to back him up.
“You got my back, right?”
“Extra cheeeessssy.”
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 28, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
his defense
was stellar last night
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Joel
While I love the performance of my least favorite Cardinal, I worry how long he can keep this up. He is pitching in a way that demands good defense behind him, and well…
That being said, maybe he wasn’t in the wrong when he started crying about not being a starter in the WBC.
I think that he was in the wrong
We all remember last year, when El Pinata was injured in Spring Training and then went on to be horrendous for the entire year. Some have attributed that poor season to his lack of preparation. I’d be willing to bet that if he had gone and pitched in the WBC, his start for the Cards would not have been as lucky good as it has been. He has been sharp and I would think that having a full Spring Training with Duncan has a lot to do with that.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
but the whole thing
looks like it lit a fire under his ass
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Pineiro, then, is the ultimate democrat.
(I use the little “d” to denote the type of government system, not the political party.)
Crash would be proud.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
DanUp, time to get
Duncier. Blog to contact!
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 28, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Blogging to contact = "open thread"?
If the blogger provides original content, than the post is successful without the commenters’ contribution, a true blogging outcome. However, if the blogger cedes content generation to the commenters, then success is dependent on their contribution. With a good community base beneath you, a blogger can have lots of success blogging to contact. Viva El Birdos has great blog commenting and great commenter-independent content, so you really can’t go wrong either way.
by mattybobo on Apr 28, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 15 recs
So to continue that thought
If you blog to contact and the comments go all AOL on you, then your blogging average on comments in play is unlucky and high, say .400.
But if you blog on contact and get one of those days full of awesome comments, graphs, stats, haiku, etc. then you’re doing what Pinata has been doing lately.
Exactly
If a Sky Kalkman or an erik is browsing and commenting you’ll have some real gems. If a IHEARTCARDSANDCAPSLOCK or CUBSsuck_dong88 is proving the bulk of your comments things can get real ugly, real fast.
by mattybobo on Apr 28, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Earned Recommendation Average?
Would that be ERA for commenters?
by cardsgirl95 on Apr 28, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I was torn between jd is legend and CUBSsuck_dong88
I guess I’m glad I chose the former
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Congrats, mattybobo
You have achieved green status.
by cardsgirl95 on Apr 28, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I've recommended this
because it more or less suggests that I should do less work, for the good of the community.
Oh not, it requires MORE work.
Look at Wellemeyer.
Sure, he could throw 96 or 98 mph heat. But it didn’t always work.
So he busted his but to get into condition as a starter. He got Duncanitis, and now he’s reborn.
how bout them pickoffs
Yadi vs Dexter Fowler. Who wins?
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Is Chris Young even aware that players can steal bases?
Someone should tell him why people keep strolling from 1st to 2nd while he’s on the mound.
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I am taking a moment this morning
to appreciate the fact that the Cardinals have the best record in Major League baseball.
by cardsgirl95 on Apr 28, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I know
isn’t that awesome? Who’da thunk?
Small sample size.
Not that I’m complaining.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 28, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Flag'd
Okay, not really.
If there were a “Negative Nancy” or “Raining on the Proverbial Parade” option, I would’ve, though.
I guess I should have pointed out
the sarcasm. Almost everything noted on here statistics-wise, this early in the season, is invariably responded to with “small sample size”. It was supposed to be joke, but I guess I missed the mark.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 28, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Flag'd!!
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 28, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
And consider that
the Red Sox have an 11-game win streak and would still be in 2nd place in our division.
To be savored, that’s for sure.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 28, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Other early-season oddities...
There are only 5 teams with winning records in the entire American League.
And other than the Nats, there really aren’t any absolutely terrible teams in MLB so far (record-wise)…
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Seen the Baseball Analysts piece on updated predictions?
The writer made a modified PECOTA prediction of W/L records using the first three weeks of the season to modify the original. It makes the entire AL other than the AL East look pretty damn mediocre.
Linky.
That's ridiculous
to think that the Cards will only play 5 games over .500 for the rest of the season, after already being 8 games over .500 through the first 20 games. Now, I realize that they aren’t going to play .700 baseball for the rest of the season, but I think that they are much more capable than the .517 [(87.5-14)/(162-20)] that the Baseball Analysts say they will play for the rest of the season. Going into the season, it was a common belief that our success was dependent on Carpenter’s health. While that may still be true, we have already begun to prove that we can contend in a Post-Carp-injury situation.
Since Carp’s injury the Cards have been 9-4 (.692) . Since his first missed start the Cards have been slightly less stellar, but still producing well—6-3 (.667). I just don’t see the justification for the pessimism. This is hardly indicative of the regression back to .517 ball.
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
I don't think that's ridiculous.
As great as the team has played thus far, and as much as I would love for it to continue, three weeks isn’t enough to convince me that this team is a worldbeater. If we’re having this conversation again in July I will probably agree with you.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
All I'm saying is
that this team, though not a .700 ball club (if there ever was one), is at least a handful of wins better than .517 over 142 remaining games.
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
Either way
It’s really more of an “updated PECOTA standings” than the author’s actual prediction. It is merely an attempt to combine preseason data with the beginning of the actual season. I.E., if PECOTA could cheat by using the first three weeks in its projection for this year, what would it look like?
I agree
Every MLB team is probably going to have a 14-6 stretch at some point. Ours is in the first three weeks. Hopefully it’s not our only one though.
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I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
and it's not really even that close
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
whoops
not really… this was when I was looking at the standings after Saturday’s game
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
"Duncier"
Nicely done Danup. Another word for the Cardinal lexicon. Me like.
Braves SBN site
Took a peek at the game thread over at Chop Shop. This quote was one of the best I’ve seen in a long time.
Holy crap… is Pujols really 1-5 with 2 Ks?
by justincredubil02 on Apr 27, 2009 6:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
on the seventh day pujols rested.
by heapofoatmeal on Apr 27, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
by paposse on Apr 28, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
wow that is comico
but its more like on the 6th and 7th day since he has been abysmal in the last two games
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Apr 28, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Was he really that bad on the sixth day?
Sure he was 0 for 1 in official at bats, but if you look at plate appearances, he was 4 for 5.
by cardsgirl95 on Apr 28, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
going 0 for 1 with a couple walks and a HBP is far from “abysmal.”
Yadi dadi, we likes to party
If the Navy SEALs had Yadi, we could have taken those pirates alive.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Dead was preferable.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on Apr 28, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point...
I just like the visual of Yadi standing on a boat whipping fastballs at their heads.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
that is one hilarious visual
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
the best part...
…of the visual is that he’d be coming out of the crouch every time he took one out. So just think of him hiding behind something, jumping up, and firing concussions towards the pirates.
I don't see...
how that doesn’t leave them just as dead.
Sometimes I wonder,
"Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"
...and then it hits me!!
Who is to say they would have survived a barrage of Yadi-thrown fastballs?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Where's The Problem?
Joel’s getting the job done, so I really don’t see what the problem is.
Jamie Moyer very effectively uses a hitter’s ego against himself, and perhaps that is what Joel has learned to do.
I will grant you that this may not be sustainable. Even the best pitch to contact guys…
- Maddux
- Glavine
- Moyer
…still averaged 5 K’s per 9, so it may be that Joel will regress to the mean.
Are batters going to change their approach?
vs. Jo-el? Go the opposite way? move up in the box? Whatever’s he’s doing to get inside the heads of the opposition is all to the good.
Yes, he’ll get rocked in a couple of starts. But let’s enjoy the ride while it lasts.
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Definitely
Enjoy the ride while it lasts, especially with Welle struggling.
by cardsgirl95 on Apr 28, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
And if that happens.....
Joel can change his approach too.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on Apr 28, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
yes cause we know there is no such thing as a bad pitcher
just a pitcher who hasn’t reinvented himself enough times….
by FunkeeC on Apr 28, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Changing Approach?
The interesting thing about this strategy is that it’s hard to counter with when it’s working (when the pitcher’s hitting his spots). It’s very hard for a hitter to do much with a ball that’s down and sinking. You are going to tend to pound it into the ground or pop it up.
My older son uses the same strategy and when he’s on he’s not fancy but he’s deadly (even against the best competition).
His biggest issue is when he starts to leave the ball up (which is more of a mental thing than anything).
i don't think anybody is saying there is a problem
just trying to investigate the phenomenon that is ’el piniero
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by themanthemyth on Apr 28, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know that I'd put Moyer in the same class as Maddux and Glavine
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Maddux, Glavine, and Moyer
All three are finesse, pitch to contact guys with comparable K/9 ratios…
Maddux = 6.1 K/9
Glavine = 5.3 K/9
Moyer = 5.4 K/9
…and winning percentages (c. .600).
also, their birthdays are close together.
while we are assembling marginally related statistics.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
These players always readily come to mind given their longevity and fame
but you’re talking about a sure fire HOF and two borderline guys. These guys are the exception and not the rule for pitchers that don’t strike out many batters.
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Glavine = borderline?
I think he’s in, and he may even get in on the first ballot.
He’s won 300 games so it’s going to be pretty hard to deny him the HOF. Moyer isn’t even borderline if you ask me, he’s just a solid #3 pitcher who’s been around for a long time. Had he started earlier in his career, he might have the numbers to put him in, but I really don’t think he’s got the resume.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Exactly
Everything I was going to have in my response has been covered
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I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmmmm
He reminds me of Mike Moore, the penultimate Duncan project pitcher, especially his 1990 and 1992 seasons. Struck out fewer fewer than 5 batters per nine but was able to be around league average just by fooling hitters with junk, pitching in a big ballpark, and getting lots of ground balls while suppressing the gopher ball.
I think that he could easily keep this up, but I’m worried that he’s going to start missing up in the zone and getting hammered as we get into the summer months where his sinker isn’t going to sink as well.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Sinkers in Summer
What were the conditions in Atlanta? I’m guess it was in the 80s and humid. Granted, that’s not as hot as July and August, but it’s not cold. Would ten to fifteen degrees in temperature have that much affect on the trajectory of a sinker?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't think penultimate was the word you were looking for right there
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
Because penultimate means second-to-last?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah
And considering we’ve had Woody Williams and now Joel Pineiro, Moore certainly wasn’t the second-to-last Duncan project pitcher.
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I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
pinultimate
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Ludtastic
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Batter vs. Pitcher Matchup Splits
We have all grown accustomed to Strauss, et al providing TLR’s rationale for starting or sitting a batter when a certain pitcher is on the hill for the other club that night against whom our Cardinal has gone 0-fer-7 lifetime (or some other such microscopic sample size). Likewise, it has been chronicled that TLR will dig into his binder to bring in the reliever against whom a batter is 0-fer-5 vs. the one against whom the batter is 1-fer-4. Goold’s 10@10 provides this little tidbit from yesterday concerning Kotchman vs. Pineiro:
An additional quirk from last night’s victory and perhaps a tad telling when it comes to the change of approach Pineiro has had for this season: Atlanta first baseman Casey Kotchman entered the game 0-for-9 against Pineiro in his career. It was the most at-bats without a hit against any pitcher for Kotchman. Naturally, he went 3-for-3 off Pineiro.
I think that this, more than anyting, shows the lack of value in looking at specific matchups when the batter has only face the pitcher a handful of times. Kotchman went from hitting .000 vs. Pineiro to hitting .250 in a mere 3 PAs. After their next game against one another, Kotchman could be hitting .400 vs. Pineiro (or .100). Such is the lack of value in such tiny samplings.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I fully agree with your point but
using anecdotal evidence to illustrate the small sample size problem is being guilty of the same offense. But I get your point. The anecdote is meant to illustrate and not to prove the point.
I would be interested in seeing a statistical comparison between using pitcher-batter matchups and more aggregate measures of the batter and/or pitcher. I think we are assuming that the aggregate measures have greater prediction power. But I have actually never seen the results of such a study.
Here is an example of how this might be done. For the match up data, we know CK was 0-9 vs. El Pinador. We also know that he went 3-3 in the next game after the 0-9. So the prediction might be proportional to the previous matchups, i.e. 0-3 so there was a large prediction error. We can create many more of these samples by using different pitcher-batter combinations.
For the aggregate data, we might use El Pinador’s and KC’s splits. And also predict the results of 3 at bats. Then we can see which prediction is more reliable. And of course, I am too lazy to attempt this right now.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
And for this,
we can use the Bill James Online daily matchups, which are free, by the way. This could be a fun little project, if I had more time during the day.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
re: Pineiro
other commenters have noted that he’s essentially pitching to his strengths. One factor that helps him is that Busch is a pitcher’s park. Lo and behold, he does have a moderate home/away split so far this year.
Home: 14.2IP, 14H, 4R, 4ER, 0HR, 3BB, 2K
Away: 11.2IP, 16H, 7R, 7ER, 1HR, 3BB, 4K
This is something to keep an eye on this year. If he gets lit up I would imagine it’s likely to be in a hitter’s park (like, say, Wrigley, where innocent pop flies can suddenly become homers).
It might be argued that he’s sure to regress to the mean with the strikeouts….he may regress to the mean with the homers too, but he’s not giving up many flyballs, so maybe the homer-stinginess is repeatable.
FL HS kid goes for 5 consecutive no-hitters today
Patrick Schuster is pitching this afternoon, and I guess ESPN will be doing live look-ins, according to Goold.
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
update
ESPNews is doing pitch-by-pitch coverage starting at 3 pm central. This is a little ridiculous putting him on a national stage, but good luck to him nonetheless.
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
Welcome
to the internet era! Where everyone is entitled to 15 minutes of fame and people with 1,000,000 Myspace friends get their own sex show on MTV.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I'd be surpised if he succeeds.
The pressure of national media changes everything. this reminds me of the espn movie the streak. A movie about a HS wrestling team in Florida.
They hadn’t lost a dual match in something like 35 years, but the media latches onto the phenomenon, creates a spectacle, and it all quickly ends
But i wish Patrick the best of luck. In the interview i heard, he sounds extremely well-adjusted for a teenager
i watched the streak
and i spent a bunch of time looking up eric grajales afterward. that kid was sick; he’ll be wrestling next year at Michigan
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
Article about Busch III in the NY TImes
There was a pleasant surprise in the NY Times sports section today – a very complimentary article about Busch III called “Glorious Stadium Honors a Glorious Past.” A brief excerpt from the start:
“Like ancient Xian statue-warriors guarding the Chinese emperor for eternity, 10 St. Louis immortals stand on permanent patrol outside Busch Stadium.
Surely, nothing bad can ever happen at this ballpark — not with Bob Gibson pitching inside (way inside) and Country Slaughter sliding spikes up (way up) at the corner of Eighth and Clark.”
It’s a fun read, in part because in the process of talking up new Busch and the Cards franchise the author tosses out some entertaining snark about the two new NY stadiums and the Mets’ lack of history.
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I agree
That’s alot of love coming from a New Yorker.
I am proud to say that I fit into this group
Not to call Cardinals fans conformists, you understand, but every single one of them wears a red shirt, red slacks, a red cap and red shoes.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Red shorts for me.
Not red slacks.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
great article
speaking of the sight lines of new parks. At the Saturday Cubs/Cards game at Busch, my dad was there and told me about a Cubs fan that kept complaining that the sight lines were terrible. I thought that was quite laughable considering that Wrigley Field has one of the highest total of obstructed view seats of any park in the majors.
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
Ha
Some of the CITI field sight lines in that article it linked to were horrible. The designers did realize that the building has a purpose, and that purpose is to watch baseball, right?
It's purpose is to
be a giant ATM for the Mets’ owners. Baseball has a lot less to do with it than we’d like.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 28, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrigley is a terrible stadium
The only thing it has going for it is that it is old. And it being old sucks. I hate that place aside from the dumb Cub fans.
Not afraid to nitpick
the best thing about wrigley is
the “cheap seats” in the upper deck are REALLY close to the field, but they sit back far enough to see the entire field (so long as you aren’t stuck behind a pole), unlike those pics from CITI. As long as you are in the bleachers, 100, or 400 levels you are guaranteed to not sit behind a pole so it’s not too hard to pick a good seat.
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
Wrigley is great AS LONG AS
you don’t leave your seat. Don’t go get food. Don’t try to leave when everyone else does. And for god’s sake don’t go to the bathrooms.
And don't be there during a rain delay
That is just miserable. Particularly if it is cold like Mother’s Day 2004 (I think that was the game when Eli hurt himself in the outfield — it was terrible).
Bleachers are the worst for this...
As the holder of a ticket for the bleachers, the only place to wait out a rain delay is under the bleachers which leak like a sieve. I have waited out several rain delays there and it is miserable. I refuse to buy bleacher tickets at Wrigley again.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
by ChiTown CardFan on Apr 28, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm taking my dad to a Cubs game this weekend
He is as Die Hard of a Cardinals fan as I am, but it is his first time to see the urinal troughs
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
See if you can park east of the park and approach on Waveland
there’s an apartment of Cards fans who cheer everyone who walks by in red.
Also, it’s Wrigleyville and the “scenery” is excellent walking to the ballpark.
well my father in law is driving
i doubt that he cares… but we will keep our eyes open :)
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
that’s pretty sucky.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 28, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Does that guy even know how to play bass?
Nothing quite like singing your own lyrics to a Karaoke backing track.
That is
SOOOO much better than the lame “Go, Cubs, Go” song. I didn’t think your friend wins any points on this one.
Advice
I know a lot of the folks on here know a lot more about computers than me. I’ve been thinking about switching from Internet Explorer to Google Chrome. Why should I or shouldn’t I do this?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Should: Chrome uses WebKit, which has better CSS compatibility and renders most websites better than IE’s rendering engine; Chrome isn’t IE and is therefore less prone to being hijacked and infected by spyware etc., due to a combination of a smaller userbase and a more secured design; Chrome in particular opens each tab in its own separate instance, so one crashing site doesn’t take down the whole program. (At least that’s what it sounds like—I’ve never used Chrome.)
Shouldn’t: No real cons, as far as I can tell.
I’m on a Mac most of the time, so I use Safari, but really any of the alternative browsers is worth your while. (IE 8 is supposed to be a lot better than IE 7, but I haven’t had much of a chance to check it out yet. If nothing else, I would definitely suggest updating.)
I am using chrome
and it works. I do not know the gizmos behind it at all – but if it works then I will use it. I think it crashes less frequently than IE, but there has been a site or two that Chrome did not handle well.
actually
the one con I’ve heard of is that it isn’t as secure… but I think that argument stems from it being really new. I’ve heard that it is much much faster than IE
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
IE8
The thing with Chrome, Google has always made their fortune through ads. The way to make ads better and more lucrative is to have them targeted. To do that Google has always tracked cookies on your pc to see where you go and what kind of sites you visit. That’s not a secret. But with Chrome, many privacy advocates are claiming Google is flatout tracking everything you surf to and attaching that to a unique identifier that singles you out. All the better to market to and such.
That was the last I had read in one of my geek magazines. So in comes Microsoft, long considered the bad guy. They release IE8 which has InPrivate Browsing, the first browser to offer a feature that leaves no trail to where you have been while surfing. This gets under Google’s skin because people who use their search engine in that mode make it difficult for ad tracking.
Anyway, it sounds like a cat and mouse game. Google is slowly taking over Microsoft as the hated giant. I actually like IE8. It’s been stable and I believe the tab crashing thing Dan mentions with Chrome applies also to IE8…
Firefox 3 was a crash fest for me (2 was great) and last I used Chrome some sites weren’t displaying correctly. The PC version of Safari was sloooow on my pc….
correct me if I'm wrong
but isn’t InPrivate the same as Safari’s private browsing mode, which has been around forever? (Chrome apparently has it too.)
I never liked Firefox very much, but Safari has matured into a fantastic browser, even though I’m not quite convinced about the tabs-on-the-top thing. Have you tried Safari 4 for the PC? Supposedly it’s a major improvement, and much more Windows in look and feel.
No matter what you do
Get off of IE. Use Firefox with Adblock or Chrome.
exactly!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
IE8
Built in pop-up blocker has been as good as Firefox with Adblock. You can modify the level of sensitivity.
ESPNs new dumb ad laden layout confused me at first
I wondered why there was so much empty space…..yay adblock.
Not afraid to nitpick
This makes ESPN so much cooler
<a href="http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:yK0Jgl22AcsJ:https://r.espn.go.com/espn/memberServices+https://r.espn.go.com/members/index&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a" >Cached Link of ESPN
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Enter repeatedly
Thats right the Contra Code
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 28, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what did you do second?
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
sorry I couldn't help myself
Shakes first
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
somebody linked that in the game thread last night
I saw that on Deadspin, too
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
Hit the link and Type in the Contra Code
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Enter repeatedly
I could tell you what it does but it will ruin the surprise
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 28, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I see the "Amazing Preferences..."
is that it though? I was expecting something more than pink letters
Keep hitting enter
not just once
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 28, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes and No
You won’t get in trouble but you will be laughed at
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 28, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Chrome is awesome
I could be wrong, but I think it’s less susceptible to malware and the like, and that alone is very valuable. It runs very well. Has an interesting approach to tabbed browsing. For one, each tab resides at the top of the screen, which I thought was dumb at first, but then found more intuitive. Also, each tab runs as a separate process, so if one freezes it won’t cause everything else to crash. Menus and the like are very streamlined as well. There’s also an “incognito” mode option, which basically doesn’t make temporary files or cookies, that kind of stuff, which is useful if you want to guy somebody a gift, for example, but don’t want anyone to snoop through your history and find out what they’re getting in advance.
Chrome or no chrome
Just say no to IE
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chrome of Firefox
Either one is much better than IE. Fwiw, everyone I know who uses Chrome has pretty favorable opinions of it.
I have found
that Chrome seems to work better than even firefox for MLBTV. Say goodby to IE for everything but windows updates.
I use
Chrome and Firefox. I’ve only used IE once in the last year, for a city gov’t website to watch video.
Classic underachiever.
What about my Google Toolbar?
All of my links are in there and I don’t care to get them out. Chrome has no Google Toolbar, right?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
it's called "automatic export," dude.
download chrome, and you’ll find all your ie links in the “other bookmarks” tab.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Just did it
But downloading Chrome didn’t automatically place all of my Google Toolbar links in the “Other bookmarks” tab. I had to download something else off of Google, which placed them in an “Imported” folder in my “Other bookmarks” tab.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
You'll find that if you open to a blank page
You can get an icon list of the pages you use most (and favorites) on the blank page, instead of just a white screen like you had with IE.
Also, Chrome loads so fast that I actually have it open 6 different pages (VEB, Gmail, woot, slickdeals, Fanball, and a blank page for RSS reader links) when I launch it.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Chrome
It’s all I use now. It loads pages better than any other browser I’ve used and it’s so lean that it starts quick even on my netbook. I was a Firefox junkie for about 5 years, and while I like the adaptability with that browser, I think Chrome is just as good, there just hasn’t been anyone developing apps for it yet, but that time will come.
As far as the privacy issues, I just turn off Cookies and don’t allow it to report back to Google with usage info. It doesn’t track “everything you do online” as some places like to claim.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
and if you're really worried about big bad google
there’s Iron, a rebuild that strips out all the google reporting stuff:
http://lifehacker.com/5054276/iron-is-google-chrome-for-the-tinfoil-hat-crowd
The beauty of open source software.
by brackenthebox on Apr 28, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
nice
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I love chrome
it’s simple
and i use privoxy to take care of ads
Anyone else..
At least a little concerned with the status of Lohse’s knee? Guess we will see more tonight.
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
that is the question of the day.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Sigh. I was really hoping
this game would be on TBS. Oh well.
I bought extra innings
and its a lot easier to justify if we keep winning
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
how much was it?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
$170 for the season
Live in NY and couldn’t take Mets/Yanks 100% of the time
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
mlb.tv!
I think I’m going premium next month…
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
my computer gets too bogged down w/ video
mlb.tv ends up choppy as hell… that is the one big minus for a MacBook Air
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
last night I was having major problems
watching the game and trying to enter the game threads… I need two computers!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
hey Chitown
I’m going to be in Chicago in about three weeks and I’m staying downtown (at the Hampton Inn on W. Illinois St.). Any recommendations for restaurants that are can’t-miss?
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
I'm not Chitown but...
my favorite place in the city is The Grill on the Alley. It’s in the Westin on the Mag Mile. It’s an American grill that is known for their very large portions, but don’t let the portion size fool you—the quality is superb as well. My favorite is the Skirt Steak with Garlic Mashed Potatoes and the Fruit Cobbler for dessert—it’s a personal whole cobbler baked in the dish it is served in!
if you go, try to get a reservation with the server Manfred. He’s a great guy and knows the menu very well.
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
Cafe Ibericho is a good time
tapas style, good sangria. that is downtown… are you limiting yourself to downtown? there’s just so many good places I don’t even know where to begin. Cafe Ibericho is pretty affordable though if that is a factor.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
+1 on Cafe Iberico
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
yeah
especially if you have a date or are with a group of people…. or even by yourself, you could just sit at the bar and who knows who you’ll meet. great place, if a bit busy most of the time
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to be downtown mostly
and I’m only there for 3 days…. in town for a conference, so days will be pretty busy. I doubt I’ll have much time to stray too far from downtown. Thanks for the suggestions, guys
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
if you want a spot that has two places
you could go to Millers Pub and try their Greek Burger, one of the best burgers in the city (aside from Kumas Corner). next door is Exchequer Pub, where you could do an after dinner drink. if you wanna get more fancy, I keep hearing good things about Japonais, which is outta my price range but has a fusion of Japanese and French cuisine. If you are after some Indian food, go to Gaylord’s, supposedly one of the better Indian restaurants in the city. Giordanos is always solid if you want Chicago style pizza… I like it better than Lou Malnatti’s or Gino’s East, which have cornmeal in the crust, but those are also good. If you venture out to the UIC village area, Thai Bowl is one of the best deals in town, and there’s also Al’s #1 Beef, if you want the best Italian Beef/Sausage combo in the city, and fries so delicious they will stop your heart.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of fries
Apparently a hip thing to cook these days is fries cooked in rendered duck fat. One of those things I have to eat before I die.
for that
you could hit up Hot Doug’s, “The Finest In Encased Meats”. they are crazy, you can get some very gourmet style hot dogs, check out the insane menu which includes duck fat fries: http://www.hotdougs.com/menu.htm
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i saw Hot Doug's
on No Reservations w/ Anthony Bourdain…. looks awesome.
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
this looks like the next place I'll try
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
http://www.hotdougs.com/specials.htm
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
ridiculous!
Shiraz and Cranberry Wild Boar Sausage with Chili-Garlic Mustard and Vodka Currant Cheese
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds pretty elaborate
for just $6.50
and a dog, for only $1.50????
What’s the catch?
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
Outside of Elmwood Park
I don’t know where else they are, but have you had Johnnie’s Beef? Best Italian beef I’ve ever had
hmmmm
not yet!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It's kinda cliche in Chicago
but Portillo’s has great burgers and dogs, and Chocolate Cake Shakes.
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
The cliche would be the italian beef
Their shakes are just the usual and aren’t very good. The chocolate cake thing they are known for is moist cake; they use a recipe with mayo.
There’s no Portillo’s downtown, is there?
yeah
it’s sort of the northwest part/outskirts of downtown
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
there is one on ontario, very near iberico
across from the rock n’ roll mcdonalds
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
Mmmmm, Portillos!
There is one just down the street from where I work (out past the airport). I’m tempted to swing past there on the way home.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
Chicago restaurant ideas
I’m not into Chicago-style pizza – it sits in your stomach for three days without moving. ugh! — so I can’t help you there, but Pequod’s up in Lincoln Park has incredible thick crust pizza with this burnt cheese crust around the edge. Perhaps I’m not doing it justice, but it is the best!
If you wander down near Millennium Park – which you absolutely should do if the weather is nice – across the street is a great place called The Gage. Its an upscale gastro-pub, but for a snack and a drink, its great too. Try the Scotch Egg and the Poutine, which involves cheese curds and, I think, elk meat currently.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
by ChiTown CardFan on Apr 28, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I am right by the Gage right now!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Go to your hotel's front desk
and say “I need chicago style pizza.”
The food at Rock Bottom brewery ain’t great but the beer is awesome. If they don’t give you the special list, as for the list of “cask conditioned” beers. Get anything that is from a bourbon barrel.
rock bottom's chicken fried chicken with mashed potatoes is my fave
but yeah, not the greatest food… I may be there tomorrow night (friend from outta town).
if you are ordering pizza from the room, be sure to order Pequod’s Pizza, it is super good. homemade style crust with carmelized cheese at top and delicious seasoned sausage topping if you order that… best pizza in chicago in my book
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate you all the deepest of passion
I am currently cutting for weight training. I am surviving off protein shakes, beans, spinach, and oatmeal. I hate you all.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 28, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
but just think how you will look!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Stabs ChiTown
Did I mention I am just quit smoking cigarettes too?
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 28, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
just talking to you is making me healthier!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
steel-cut, yes?
yeah, we did.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
I eat both
Most of the time though with Steel Cut oatmeal I grind it up to make oatmeal flour. I have entirely too much steel cut oatmeal at my house.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 28, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I need to get back in the gym
amazing what tax season and sitting in an office all day will do to you.
Not Really
I was at the game shooting video and the play happened right in front of me. It wasn’t that violent and didn’t seem to affect him too much. It is was really bad, he wouldn’t have been able to keep pitching.
yeah..
thanks for letting me breathe a little easier. I’ve been trying to convince myself taking him out was completely precautionary and due to his high pitch count, but the necessity of an MRI scared me.
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
do you like mlb.tv?
I was debating. Then I got a slingbox as a gift and pretty much made my mind up for me
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
well
it could be better… you need a solid internet connection (I’m sharing with the neighbors at home so it gets dicey). it works great if you have a nice internet connection… if you are getting it, go ahead and get premium, because for $5 more you get twice as much functionality (like DVR capabilites)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the Cardinals,
but what I’m about to say has nothing to do with them.
I get to walk down the red carpet at tonight’s screening of “Wolverine” at the Chinese Theater in Hollywood. Walk past the reporters and photographers and wave at Hugh Jackman, who will ignore me. I’m geeking/freaking (fregeeking?) out and I wanted to share.
Thanks for indulging me.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
My company did some online games for the movie
This one and a facebook/myspace game.
We get to work on movie stuff a lot, but this is by far the coolest perk we’ve received for our work.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
just saw an ad...
where you can hire fake paparazzi to follow you around for a night (with the purpose of gathering attention and females in the process). you should have practiced.
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
like the 4 guys?
or something similar?
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
noice
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
hah?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
A buddy of mine works for the Wash-U paper
He recently got to interview Will Smith—he asked him how the “Willenium” was going so far. Apparently it has been positive.
Willenium LOL
That reminds me of the LSU student who asked Shaq if he’d ever do a Kazaam 2, and his replay was “Only if I get to do a love scene…with your mother.”
I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain
by jd is legend on Apr 28, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Exactly A Vicious Sinker
A replay of the game happens to be on and I’m watching Joel pitch. It’s not that his ball is exactly a vicious sinker like Maddux’s (e.g. one that drops and tails). It’s just that he’s doing a really good job of throwing from a higher release point to the bottom 1/3 of the strike zone. They are only hitting the ball hard when he leaves it up.
The Rub:
They are only hitting the ball hard when he leaves it up.
There will be a day, in the not too distant future, when many an El Pineiro pitch is left up and will get hit. Hard. I’m dreading that day.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I know this is dreaming
But if he had 4 good starts and 2 starts he gets rocked, repeated throughout the season, I’m thrilled.
And before you say it – don’t be a buzzkill!
mmmmm Rub.....
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
freddy garcia's available.
i think he’s done, though.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
right now -- ryan starts at 2b.
3B Brian Barden
CF Colby Rasmus
1B Albert Pujols
RF Ryan Ludwick
C Yadier Molina
LF Chris Duncan
SS Khalil Greene
2B Brendan Ryan
P Kyle Lohse
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
barden in leadoff - definitely interesting.
actually, can i have this every night?
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NO
because it isn’t our best lineup
gonna need more franklins to get through this one.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Apr 28, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
gotta have some good D for Lohse
kinda like Pin
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I also like
thurston vs righties
gonna need more franklins to get through this one.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Apr 28, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
best lineup
has schu over ryan
gonna need more franklins to get through this one.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Apr 28, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Ryan's defense impressed the hell outta me last night
If we have a groundball pitcher on the mound, I don’t mind having him in there at all. Just please don’t bat him lead-off.
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
I enjoyed his d
last night as well, but we have been watching Ryan long enough to know that isn’t an every night thing. Is he an upgrade on d? Yes. Is he a great infielder? No. Don’t let one game fool ya
gonna need more franklins to get through this one.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Apr 28, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
is schumaker either?
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no
but he is superior to ryan at the plate
I know its a lefty so I am okay with Ryan tonight, but what I 1st replied to was the fact that this is not our best lineup, so I wouldn’t want to see it every night.
gonna need more franklins to get through this one.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Apr 28, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ryan is not a great hitter
or an even good one, really, but his defense is superb. it always has been. I don’t know why you think otherwise.
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
Is Greene a "superb" defender in your mind?
gonna need more franklins to get through this one.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Apr 28, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
no
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
Well he is a better career fielder than Ryan
his fielding % is .949
Ryans is .945
Ryan has looked like a fool many times before, just like Greene does right now. Historically Greene is better, but right now we are calling for his job.
gonna need more franklins to get through this one.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Apr 28, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
cant make errors..
…on balls you dont get to
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
you know that wrong.
Greene has range, that hasn’t been his problem this year. That might be a valid arguement for someone like Eckstein not Greene
gonna need more franklins to get through this one.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Apr 28, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
simply pointing out
the inadequacies of fielding % as a metric
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
your namesake is a good example of that.
pujols has the best range of any first baseman in the majors. so he gets a glove on a lot of hard-hit balls. and he ends up with more errors.
fielding percentage measures errors.
errors are a measure of how good your hands are.
if you stand in one spot and catch everything that’s hit to you and throw it to your mark, you will not likely get an error. but you will cost your team tons of runs on the balls you never touched.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
fielding % is not a good defensive metric
Ryan’s UZR/150 at SS: 12.4
Greene’s UZR/150 at SS: -3.5
Ryan is the better fielder, no question. And I don’t think anyone is calling for Greene’s job here.
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
point taken
“calling for job” was the wrong phrase, but in all reality, if Ryan is that much better defensively then shouldn’t we be calling for his job? Greene isn’t hitting any better than Ryan.
gonna need more franklins to get through this one.
by hoofhearted-pujols on Apr 28, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
but Greene is the better hitter
overall, Greene is worth more than Ryan. That’s why he’s a starter and Ryan is not.
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
nobody is calling for greene's job.
i have seen nobody say that.
and fielding percentage is not a good measure of fielding skill.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
can it be both?
this is what joe strauss is selling at the pd site.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
yes!
Khalil batting 7th!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Rasmus
Batting!
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
by all4tookie on Apr 28, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
well done!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
and playing center, no less.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
zing!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
the one to top them all
Lohse
Pitching!!
"All baseball fans can be divided into two groups: those who come to batting practice and the others. Only those in the first category have much chance of amounting to anything."--Thomas Boswell
Umpires
Arbiting!
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
by all4tookie on Apr 28, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Headline
Followed by Observation!
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
by hazel on Apr 28, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
What
Oh!
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 29, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Really don't have much faith that Duncan can hit lefties
but hey, not much to complain about. Arguably one of the more defensible lineups TLR has put out, but yet another example of how a RH OF’er could benefit this team greatly.
to anybody that ever looks occasionally at the PD website
Someone has posted a few times (both as a comment to a story and as a comment in a thread in the forums) that there is some kind of homosexual thing going on in the Cardinals dugout… I wouldn’t bring this up if I had not seen it posted by the same person at least 3 times already. I am assuming that they are just trying to troll, but I wanted to make doubly sure that I hadn’t missed something.
I hope that I don’t lose credibility for asking this, but it’s one of those things that I can’t just let go.
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions
huh?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
this person keeps replying with stuff like… “unless the gay thing in the cardinals bullpen doesn’t rip it apart first”
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
are you sure that they aren't just joking or something?
not like it matters though… I mean this is the team that has lil’ Dunc humping pinatas (no, not that one)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont know
nobody responds to the posts so i am assuming that it is a joke. however, I keep seeing it and I didn’t know if anybody else had come across that
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i'll try and post a link
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/emaf.nsf/comments?ReadForm&db=stltoday%5Csports%5Cstories.nsf&docid=3FACA63060C60560862575A6000A63B2
look at the comment about 13 down by a guy who’s name has yuri in it
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
probably a cubs fan!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
well they sure thought that edmonds was
not that there is anything wrong with that (sorry alt4rookie)
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
the frosted hair kinda made people go huh?
that and that hand miscue
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
what about the half shirts?
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
true
that didn’t help
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
why do guys wear those to gyms?
seriously… i don’t care if you’re gay or straight… it doesn’t look good
why do old men from europe wear speedos to the beach?
somethings are inexplainable
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
More than likely
the guy is just referring to something perceived as crappy (the pen) as gay.
Look... I don't really care
but I just thought that it was odd that I kept seeing it and nobody responded to it. I just wanted to know if anybody else had seen it too
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
thats what I figured
it was just something so odd that I had never seen before in my years (pathetic as that may be) of reading cardinals info on the internet that it stuck in my head
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
a) as a general rule, pay little attention to anonymous commenters on stltoday
b) ask yourself, how would ‘yuri’ know whether sexual activity is going on in the dugout?
c) tell yourself, why would i care, even if it were true?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
look... i don't care really
it was just odd… thats all… i wasnt trying to make a statement or anything… i just thought that it was odd and i didn’t know if anybody else had seen that
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
not that there is anything wrong with that
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
There is
something wrong with not using the reply button.
Classic underachiever.
by spants on Apr 28, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
my commenting EQA is a paltry .225 this season, sorry
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
hopefully its just small sample size, 20 games in
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
Not if you read the comments...
Some really good points I didn’t even think of
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
nonsense, you were recommended.
and you didn’t make a ridiculous trade suggestion, which is really about 70% of the battle in making a good fanpost.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Pujols for Howard?
rec please.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 29, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
who is the Braves starter tonight?
are they any good? hopefully not a soft tossing lefty
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions
jo-jo dancer your start is calling . . .
the other other other(?) reyes.
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Jo-No L
I wish I could say I came up with that
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
this three game series has been brough to you by the letter J.
and the number 16-6 (which will be our record in two days, i hope).
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
anybody else mad that it has rained for the last 3 tuesdays?
and that they just want to play some softball?? is it too much to ask?
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i play on tuesdays and thursdays...
3 rainouts and a game called in the middle of the top half of the first….. sigh
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
be careful...
patting your own back could hurt your shoulder
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds like confucius
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
the weather has been pretty lame I must say
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Last year we played on IM softball on Wednesdays
And every single game got rained out. All of them. It was a disaster.
This year we had no rainouts and we won the damn league. That felt good.
ouch
we just get to play double headers later in the season… nothing like a game at 6 then at 9
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
what exactly is a beer league?
i have heard of it, but never actually seen a game
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
softball where the only real point
is the beer either before, during, or after the games…..
or all the above
sweet
we (illegally) drink beer in the locker room after our adult rec league ice hockey games… maybe they should call it a beer hockey league
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
illegally = against the rules of the ice rink
we are all over 25
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds like you have the general idea about beer league softball already =]
just bring the cooler on the bench and you are set!
the peoria park district adult men's B league
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
nothing like coaching 3rd with a beer in hand. Or Pitching with one on the mound (as long as you are quick enough to protect it)
We go to a Beer Bash tournament every July. For every 12 16 oz beers your team drinks you get a beer run. Those runs never go away and accumulate as the tournament goes on. So you could start game 1 up 2-1 and game 3 up 5-3. A trophy goes to the winner of the tournament and to the team who has the most beer runs. There is also one inning you have to use a wooden bat. One inning you have to run the bases backwards. and some years, one inning where the OF has to catch the ball in a 5 gallon bucket. needless to say, good times
that sounds like a blast
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
that is awesome
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
I forgot one of the main events
instead of a coin flip, the team sends out a player to shotgun a stag(12 oz), and the first one done wins home field.
wish I had remembered this when the thread was more active.
anyone know the full braves lineup?
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
OT
To anybody that might like Ben Folds he came out with a cool new album today (I think)… It is songs of his being performed by college choirs a capella
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by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions
Exciting news on draft coverage
The amateur draft will be held at night and broadcast on the MLB Network. Az, I hope that this means some sort of live draft diary over on Future Redbirds. From the story at over at SI:
The commissioner’s office said Tuesday that this year’s draft will start at 6 p.m. on June 9 and be held at the studios of the MLB Network in Secaucus, N.J.
There will be 111 picks on the first day, which includes the first three rounds mixed in with two compensation rounds.
Baseball Musings has this commentary:
What a great idea! Schedule the bulk of the draft against a full slate of Tuesday night baseball games!
To which, I retort, “Um, picture in picture.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I can't wait
They’re going to show Washington draft Strasburg and then they’re going to cut to Strasburg/Boras with emotionless looks.
Not afraid to nitpick
Boras:
“Now, Washington has to pay up or we’re going to Japan.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
maybe he will wipe his brow in a sigh of relief if they don't pick him
(such as what happened when the raiders passed over crabtree)
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
it's gonna be eli manning going to san diego all over again.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
excellent, excellent news
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
I'm just excited that
the sport which invented the ball cap will now be televising its draft, allowing draftees to wear it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
On the Yankee stadium front...
Interesting development:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4108293
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
how much does a hot dog cost?
$100
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Big beers cost $10
Two beers, two hot dogs, and a bag of peanuts was over $40 when I was there last week
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
I paid the same for 2 beers
as I did for 4 seats on stubhub. Took a chance on an rainy weeknight – scored 4 tickets for $20 – and got the game in. Field level was EMPTY.
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
not to mention the challenge of keeping CC from just cold climbing the wall
and eating your expensive snacks.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Apr 28, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hid from him in the Hard Rock Cafe
and his head exploded
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
When I went to old yankee stadium last year
Big (i.e. about a pint) beers were $8 or 9. Only options were bud light and miller light too (ugh). Although I did find a stall selling keg cans of Heineken (I guess a pint and a half or so) for $12 so bought a couple of them instead. Really expensive game.
How much does a beer cost at Busch these days?
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Apr 29, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Big beers
were $8.25 last year, but you had a lot more beer to choose from than what you described at Yankee Stadium.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
They've done away with big beers at Busch this season
at least, I haven’t been able to find them. I got a 12 oz shocktop and a 12 oz boulevard pale ale both for $7 a piece last time I was there. TOTAL rip off.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
man
sounds about the same as busch
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions
sorry
meant that as a reply
SlamalamaJackADongWick cares very little about your draft pick standing-by gdm426
by FredbirdisaDork on Apr 28, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Way Way Way OT
Does anyone know the name of the font for the St. Cardinals logo? Not the “StL”, but the full name logo, like the sign above the main entrance to Busch III?
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 28, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions
E-mail Paul Lukas...
at the Uni Watch Blog…
Just click on “Contact” in the top right of the page. He may not know himself, but I guarantee he’ll know who to ask…
If you don’t have Outlook set up, the address is uniwatch@earthlink.net…
He's great about responding too
Had a few exchanges with him and he’s really responsive
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
I don't know the name of it
I DO know that it was developed by a design firm and licensed for use…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
is that a font or a band made-up of art-school grads?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Lineups...
Cards
B. Barden, 3B
C. Rasmus, CF
A. Pujols, 1B
R. Ludwick, RF
Y. Molina, C
C. Duncan, LF
K. Greene, SS
B. Ryan, 2B
K. Lohse, P
Bravos
O. Infante, 2B
Y. Escobar, SS
C. Jones, 3B
C. Kotchman, 1B
J. Francoeur, RF
M. Diaz, LF
J. Schafer, CF
D. Ross, C
J. Reyes, P
Career lines vs. Reyes...
Ludwick: 2-8, 2B, BB, 3 K
Pujols: 4-7, 2B, HR, 2 RBI, 3 BB, 2 K
Molina: 2-6, 2B, RBI, 2 BB, K
Ryan: 1-5
Greene: 2-4, HR, RBI, 2 BB
we win 5-3
4B - beer baseball bands blog
the thrill is still ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hot
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 28, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
and none of those guys are left-handed. hmm.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
Hmmm. No Schumaker. Bummer.
Last night was the first game I got to see on TV.
Ryan looked great and so did Schu.
*Rasmus is to CF as Longoria is to 3B*
I don't suppose some intrepid citizen knows of a crazy online video feed option for this game.
Other than the TVants things, I haven’t tried that yet.
Game thread up
I have this weird problem where I keep reading "intentional" as "international", and confuse myself thoroughly when wondering why Pujols doesn't have more IBBs.
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