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WAR Cards -- the hot corner

About a month ago, I began a series of comparing Cards’ players since 1955 by position in terms of their WAR as Cards. With the beginning of the season, I let it fade away but w/ the Cards playing so well right now, I decided to come back to it. After all, what more can be said? We’re pitching. We’re hitting. Defense is OK. So today I’m looking at the hot corner. I’m using Sean Smith’s fantastic historical WAR database as the basis for my information.

I didn’t realize really how much turnover there’s been at third base until looking into this. I figured I could easily rattle off about 6 names of players who’ve played there for several years and then realized a lot of guys were only there for a couple of years – Torre, Tatis, Polanco. But the hot corner’s been pretty good to Cards teams over the years and, recently, it’s enabled us to forget the Todd Zeile years. (I’d have figured he would have at least made the top 5 but would you believe he didn’t have 1 league average year at 3B for the Cards?) Anyway, w/o further ado, the top 5 Cards third basemen since 1955.

1. Ken Boyer

I would have put my money on Rolen being #1 but Boyer was much better than I realized. Not only did his tenure w/ the team enable him to pile up 52.2 WAR, but his top 5 years bests Rolen’s as well – averaging more than 6 WAR in those 5 years. He was also the 3B for the 1964 World Series champs. Truly an all-around baseball player, he got value from offense, his defense, and from playing nearly every game every year.

2. Scott Rolen

A fantastic player in his prime, it’s sad to see how far he’s fallen. Injuries have really taken their toll on him but, for 5+ years in a Cards’ uni, he was simply one of the best, if not the best, 3B in the game. A cornerstone of the 2004 MV3 group – along w/ Edmonds and Pujols, he also won a ring on the 2006 World Champs. Inexplicably denied the MVP of the Series, Rolen’s OPS during the 5 game series was 1.213. He hit one of the 2 homers hit by the Cards and had 3 doubles in the 5 games.

3. Terry Pendleton

A mainstay on the Cards’ World Series teams of 1985 and 1987, Pendleton is the 3rd best 3B of the last 55 years. He was up and down during his time as a Cardinal, but earned more than 2 wins playing half a season as a rookie, and was worth 3.4 and 4.1 WAR in 1987 and 1989, respectively. His game winning homer off the Mets in 1987 was huge in helping defeat our main competition for the NL East title.

4. Joe Torre

Joe was a third baseman for the Cards for just 2 years – in 1971 and 1972. He won the league MVP in 1971 by hitting .363 w/ 24 homers and 137 RBI. He was worth 6.7 WAR that season but just 2.7 in 1972.

5. Ken Oberkfell

Like Shannon, Zeile, Polanco, and Torre, Oberkfell is one Cards’ 3B who also earned significant WAR at another position. Oberkfell was the 5th best 2B for the Cards and he’s also the 5th best 3B of the last 55 years. He was a solid, if unspectacular player during his tenure in St. Louis, and was an above average 3B for the 3 years he played the hot corner w/ the Cards.

3rd Base Total WAR 5 year peak
Boyer 52.2 31.3
Rolen 25.3 24.1
Pendleton 13.3 12.7
Torre 9.4 9.4
Oberkfell 8.2 8.2

I’ll have a game thread up in a few hours as the Cards go for their 2nd consecutive sweep. It won’t be easy, however. Rich Harden’s on the hill for the Cubbies!

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a bit surprising

if you’d have asked me beforehand (why didn’t you, by the way) I would have said either Rolen or Torre. I guess I’m not shocked it is Boyer, given his rep (a bit before my time), but still… whatever.

I hadn’t thought of Terry “Beef Burger” Pendleton for a while. Good memories, for the most part. Those were fun teams to watch. Ditto Obi Wan. Thinking about Rolen makes me sad. 2004… sigh

by Scarecrow7775 on Apr 26, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

2009...hooray!

I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain

by jd is legend on Apr 26, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

September 11, 1987

You always have to give Pendleton his due for socking one of the biggest and most stunning HRs in Cards’ history.

by Youneverknow on Apr 26, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Todd Zeile

Wow, that didn’t really work out, did it. It’s just that I feel it necessary to say his name once every decade or so- hehe. Remember when he played for the Cubs- wahahahaha- ahhhhhh, good times.

by Scarecrow7775 on Apr 26, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

OT I like Ludwick more and more

His deadpan delivery on KSDK is priceless. He just detailed how they practiced the play to Thurston then to Molina to get Beltran. (They were hoping it would be from a flatter surface and not the mound, but it worked out.)

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 26, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

then Tadallion sounds like he's picking on Z

He’s going to bring the intensity, he says. “Hopefully I won’t throw any trash cans like I did before.”

Not as deadpan, though.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 26, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineup, per Hummel

Skip Schumaker 2b
Colby Rasmus lf
Albert Pujols 1b
Ryan Ludwick rf
Rick Ankiel cf
Yadier Molina c
Khalil Greene ss
Joe Thurston 3b
Todd Wellemeyer p

by santiagofish on Apr 26, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I like the lineup

anyone have any player splits vs Harden?

by stlhulsey on Apr 26, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bill James has

ludwick 0-3
Molina 0-1 2BB
Pujols 1-6
Skip 0-3

apparently the rest of the lineup has no at-bats vs Harden

by Woodwork on Apr 26, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I have a feeling that the offense will be scarce the first couple times through the order

by stlhulsey on Apr 26, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harden will throw 100 pitches by the 5th

So Welle just needs to keep us close til we get to the bullpen of the Cubs

MyBrute - Where tiny gladiators rule the internets

by dcfcblues on Apr 26, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harden seems to be the Adam Dunn/Chris Duncan of pitchers

he will either strike you out or give up a hard hit ball. (not sure on walks though and too lazy to look up right now)

by STLRegalia on Apr 26, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zeile

If Zeile’s bat was under average at third, I would hate to see how it held up the years he played first (not sure if that was with the Cards or not)!

by thp0344 on Apr 26, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Obie

I’m surprised at how high Obie ranks as well but if you are the top 5 at more than two positions I guess you have to say he was more than “solid” if not spectacular. Being in the Top 5 at one position is pretty good company as you can see from above. I don’t remember thinking he was that good.

Just win

by The Duke on Apr 26, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Ken Reitz

Guess I just thought he would be on that list. Oh well.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Apr 26, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I was kind of expecting The Zamboni as well

Though I have fond memories of Pendleton as well, I really didn’t expect his good showing on the list.

"Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm and is blossoming into a large cobra." - Mike "The Moon Man" Shannon

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Apr 26, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game thread?

I hate to be “that guy”…
Also, I love this kind of stuff. Boyer and Simmons are two of those Cardinals that I know sadly little about. Not surprising, given that I was born in 1984, and the 2000’s era is the first real era of Cardinal excellence that I’ve been able to witness. Not that there weren’t some nice things about the late 80’s and the 90’s, but I was barely aware of baseball in 1987, for example, so Boyer and Simmons are way too early for me. It’s fun to be challenged to learn more about past greats. Another example is Johnny Mize, that dude was a stud.

by mattybobo on Apr 26, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I wanna know where the gold at

I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain

by jd is legend on Apr 26, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

how do you put the link in the subject box?

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on Apr 26, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pendleton

one of my favorite Cardinals from back in the day.

by erik on Apr 27, 2009 1:35 AM EDT reply actions  

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