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2009 Draft Preview #6

Wow. Great win last night. It doesn't quite make up for a couple of those ugly collapses against the Cubbies, but it comes close. At the very least, last night was one of those games the Cardinals had no real business winning, but did anyway. Thus, some of the karmic balance is restored. The Cards should have won a couple that they lost in Chitown, now they win one they probably should have lost against the Metropolitans and their fancy new bullpen.

Of course, seeing the Mets' much-vaunted new setup guy give up the game last night could also be filed squarely under the karma heading in our big season notebooks; after seeing so much angst about the St. Louis bullpen in the early going, as well as plenty of moaning- and a fair bit of pissing- about the Cards' failure to bring in a proven commodity to shore up the 'pen, it seemed rather fitting that one such commodity was the one on the losing side of the ledger, while Jason Motte was on the winning side. (Wow. That is one long ass sentence. I have got to learn to use periods instead of just endless semicolons.)  This morning, I'm sure there's plenty of wailing and gnashing of teeth up in the Big Apple, while we feel like we're sitting pretty with our cheap young fireballers. (And our somewhat reasonably priced veteran dude with the awful facial hair who is apparently now shutting the door on games.)

Of course, both sides are probably overreacting, to be completely honest. The Mets' bullpen is still wicked intimidating, and the Cardinal relief corps still has plenty of questions. Nonetheless, it's a good lesson to learn next time you want to fly off the handle on some anonymous message board somewhere: it's a long season. Things can look very, very different from one day to the next.

Speaking of interesting closing developments, Jess Todd has apparently been named the closer for the Memphis club. I'm still not a fan of moving the guy to relief, but it's also entirely possible we could see him contribute to the big club at some time this season. (And damn the talk of the 40 man roster. If he's part of the answer to making this team better, get him up here, and worry about the roster crunch later. Period.)

(Kind of) Cool little side note on this talk of Todd as a possible closer: quite some time back, over at the old Future Redbirds site, there was some discussion of Huston Street as a possible comp for Todd. I thought it was a really great comparison at the time, made by the always-excellent fewgoodcards, and I said so. However, I must ask that if you do follow the link above, you must ignore the second half of my comment. See, at that time, I advocated leaving Todd in relief, while I am now raging against moving him back to said role; thus, my greatest nightmare, of looking moderately wishy-washy in front of a group of unknown internet users, is coming true. However, I do stand by my observation at the time that I would like to see Todd finish his pitches better, rather than cutting his follow-through off. So there is that.

Anyhow, enough of such things. I have yet another group of scouting reports for you, all hot and fresh and ready to go. More after the jump.

Star-divide

Today we're going to be looking at a few of the top outfield prospects in this year's draft. Now, before you even say it, I know: why in the world would the Cardinals take an outfielder? They're swimming in flycatchers as it is.

Well, I'll tell you why. Because any one of these players has a chance to be special, and you don't pass up great talent just because it comes at a spot you're maybe already a little heavy on. Don't get me wrong, I would certainly prefer to see the Cardinals draft at positions of need (middle infield still sticks out), but call it the Matt LaPorta Theory of Drafting: you take the talent, and even if you end up unable to use it, you can turn that talent into something you do need.

Okay, now that that's out of the way, on to the players. We've got two college guys, both pretty close to being finished products, and one project. (But what a project he might be.)

Dustin Ackley, CF/1B, University of North Carolina

DOB:  26th February, 1988

6'1", 185 lbs.

Player Page

So, what's so great about this guy?

Dustin Ackley is, in all likelihood, the top overall position player in the draft this year. He combines excellent tools with a polished collegiate approach, making him both a relatively safe pick and one with a very good ceiling.

 First off, start with the bat, because that's what is going to get Ackley drafted, to be perfectly frank. Ackley is the top pure hitter in the draft this year, with outstanding bat speed and even better bat control. He keeps the bat in the zone a remarkably long time, giving him the ability to drive the ball to all fields effectively. Something I find particularly interesting: his hitting mechanics seem to be an odd mixture of Will Clark, Sean Casey, and Ichiro. I realise that those three things together make no sense whatsoever, but just look at the video, at his hands, the open stance, and the follow through, and I think you'll see what I'm talking about. He hits the ball extremely hard, though without a ton of loft, so his power totals may always be somewhat modest.

In addition to his bat, Ackley also has plus speed, both on the basepaths and in the field, with sufficient range to play a very good center field and record 19 steals last season.

Now for the not so good. The biggest question with Ackley is his arm strength. Frankly, it isn't good, and raises concerns with some scouts about his ability to play even center field long term. He's certainly not going to be a right fielder. Ackley actually had Tommy John surgery last summer, and as a result, has played almost exclusively at first base this spring, limiting the amount that scouts have been able to see him in his natural position of center field. It could depress his draft stock, though how much is certainly open for debate.

The other, somewhat more minor concern, is related to that lack of home run power I mentioned above. While Ackley hits the ball with authority, he also hits mostly line drives and doesn't elevate the ball a ton, making him more of a doubles pop type of guy than a real longball threat. He doesn't really profile very well at first base, and only moderately better in left field, due to that somewhat limited power ceiling. Now, personally, I think the idea of profiling a player's bat at a position is more than a little bit bullshit, but there is still a strong tendency in baseball circles, even somewhat enlightened ones, to do just that. In my opinion, you get the best players you can for each position, and to hell with a player fitting a certain type, so long as he can handle his spot on the defensive spectrum.

Overall, I fully expect Ackley to be long gone from the board by the time the Cardinals pick. However, given that his arm may very well push him to a decidedly non-premium position, and the fact that some teams may question his power given said positional limitations, Ackley could possibly find himself labeled a bit of a 'tweener. I'll say this: if he happens, by some great chance, to fall to the Cards, they need to pounce on him with absolutely no hesitation. He's just too damned good in too many ways to pass up.

Kentrail Davis, OF, University of Tennessee

DOB:  29th June, 1988

5'9", 200 lbs.

Player Page

So, what's so great about this guy?

Remember how last year we all joked about the old Billy Beane line, that the Cardinals certainly weren't looking to sell jeans? Well, Davis would fit right in with that draft philosophy, as the height/weight numbers aren't exactly what you might look for in a top-tier outfield prospect, but the production is oh so very real.

The first name you're going to read in a lot of scouting reports on Davis, as far as comparisons, is Kirby Puckett. And really, that's not a bad place to start, as both are short, stocky players with better speed than you would think looking at them and excellent contact ability at the plate, plus it keeps the colour boundaries intact when coming up with player comps. (Actually, seeing as how Davis is left-handed, Tony Gwynn might make a nice comparison too, but somehow, nobody likes to saddle a player with Tony Gwynn talk.)

The thing about Davis is that he doesn't really do anything unbelievably well, other than hit. He's a bit like Jon Jay in that way, in the sense that all of his tools grade out pretty well, but none of them just blow you away. His arm is probably his worst tool, as it may limit him to left field. (Sound familiar?) His power is average, maybe a tick above, but not anything out of this world. He runs well, but there's a lot of talk that his body is going to eventually turn him into just an average runner, again moving him over toward left field, rather than center, where he's played largely up until now. His plate discipline is less than stellar, and would likely need work for him to be an impact hitter at high levels. 

There are two real factors working against Davis; well, other than that feeling of being a little underwhelmed by his overall tool profile. The first is that, as a draft-eligible sophomore with Scott Boras as an agent, he has plenty of leverage and will likely look to get all he can out of it. The second, well, frankly, Kentrail Davis hasn't played very well this spring. Ordinarily, that would hurt a guy some, but you look at the overall body of work, as well as that future projection, and he still goes in the neighborhood of where he was projected all along, give or take a little bit. With Davis, though, those two factors could combine to push him way, way down, down to where there's almost no chance of the team that drafts him actually signing him. Call it Kyle Russell version 2.0.

I think Davis will likely be on the board when the Cardinals pick, but I don't necessarily know that I would advocate drafting him. He's a solid hitter, to be sure, but when you consider the ransom it would take to bring him into the fold, along with some legitimate concerns about his ultimate ceiling, I would probably pass. He's going to be a very good player, I believe, but he may not be the right player, if you know what I mean.

Donovan Tate, CF/RHP, Cartersville HS, Georgia

DOB: 27th September, 1990

6'2", 195 lbs.

So, what's so great about this guy?

You know how ever so often, in the NFL draft, teams will take a guy whose position is basically Athlete? Well, Tate is just that sort of guy, in either football or baseball. In fact, the question of whether he'll pursue a career on the diamond or the gridiron is one of the most interesting you're likely to hear as the draft approaches.

Tate is a project, make no mistake. Any team that could draft him and get him into the fold would be taking on a long-term commitment to developing this guy into the sort of player that could one day garner MVP votes on a yearly basis. His athleticism is off the charts, with  speed to burn, plenty of power potential in his frame, and an arm that has hit 95 mph off the mound in high school. You want a comp? I like Cameron Maybin, personally; Tate has that same overall package of tools that make Maybin such a dynamic talent. Tate can chase the ball down in the outfield, and obviously has the arm  to make any and all throws that may be needed. He's a prototypical center fielder, though he's shown the ability to play the corners as well.

As you might expect from a player still trying to decide if he even wants to play baseball full time, Tate is pretty raw in most facets of the game. His plate approach isn't awful, but he gets fooled easily by breaking stuff out of the zone and doesn't work counts all that well. On the basepaths, he makes far more outs than someone with his speed should, and his routes in center field are suspect. In short, he is, as I pointed out earlier, a definite project.

The Cardinals have shown a willingness to take this sort of player in the draft before, though not in the first round that I can think of. Daryl Jones is actually a pretty good example of that kind of risk, or maybe even Tommy Pham, considering the arm strength. Nonetheless, I think there's a good chance that some team will take Tate early in the first round if he seems to be leaning toward playing baseball, and the Cardinals would probably pass anyway. Tate is apparently visiting Michigan for their football program, so there's certainly question as to what sport he'll wish to pursue.

I have to say, if he does go with baseball, I think the Braves take him. They took a similar player in Jason Heyward just a couple of years ago, and they loooove to get their Georgia boys into the system. Of course, if he looks serious about baseball, he could also go off the board in the first four or five picks; he's that kind of talent. At the very least, Tate certainly presents an intriguing question for major league teams to mull over as the draft approaches.

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As I said before, I can see someone  arguing against taking any of these players, based solely on positional need. (Specifically, the fact that we don't need what they play.) Nonetheless, I think that a guy like Tate would be a very interesting long-term project player, taken not on the hope of quickly developing, but instead being a true impact player somewhere down the line, and if Ackley falls all the way to the Cardinals somehow, I think they have have have to take him. Really, the only one of the three that I wouldn't be excited about would be Kentrail Davis, and I can even see some really good reasons to at least kick the tires on him.

I'll have a game thread up sometime around six pm. Until then, enjoy the day, everyone.

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hmm

Jess Todd, Motte, and Perez in the bullpen someday, makes me feel very good

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 22, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Me too.

Warm fuzzies.

Classic underachiever.

by spants on Apr 22, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

why did we just trade a useful outfielder for a right handed bullpen arm again?

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Apr 22, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should we fear the Reifer?

I have no idea how his name is pronounced.

by mattybobo on Apr 22, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please please please let it rhyme with

“keefer.” The headlines will just write themselves.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

rif-er (first syllable of rifle).

sadly.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Apr 22, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool.

Does he have a fan club? The National Reifer Association?

by mattybobo on Apr 22, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

NORML.

National
Organization for
Reifer as a
Major
Leaguer.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Apr 22, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

awesome +1

"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang

by bmorgan on Apr 22, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

AARP?

The Association of Advocates for Reifer’s Promotion? Nah.

by Phizzle on Apr 22, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

DAMN!

I was looking forward to the rating system for his outings, with a scale from dirtweed to sensimilla.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 22, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would like to start out by saying: walters doesn't get another start?

i haz a sad.

azru’s article on mortensen just picked me up a little bit, though, over at FR.

re: ackley — good speed, good range, bad arm = second baseman? I can see a bunch of doubles making him a pretty valuable second baseman.

while i’d really like to take a great position player in the first round, none of the other guys sound like somebody we want in the first round. hmm. i start to see what folks mean about this being a pitching-heavy draft.

and, yes, hooray jess todd!

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Apr 22, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

i would have liked to see Walters again, too

He looked promising. The rationale makes sense, though, that Boggs doesn’t warm up very fast and Walters does, therefore he’s more suited for relief (between the two of them). I thought Boggs looked pretty good on Friday, too, so who knows? Maybe he’ll have some success.

"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang

by bmorgan on Apr 22, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ackley's stuff

It might be more effective in relief. I’d have liked to see him starter another game or two, but I’m also interested to see how Boggs does when handed the ball.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 22, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

you mean walter?

or would you like us to draft ackley as a starting pitcher?

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Apr 22, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walter

I was thinking about both and typed the wrong name. How dumb of me. Sorry about that.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 22, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually meant:

Walters.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 22, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's on second?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 22, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIRD BASE!!

It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haven't had a chance to get up to speed today

I know Boggs gets the next start. Is he now considered the 5th starter going forward though? When Walters made the first start, I was real pleased it came on Friday because he would be slated to face New York the second time. The rainout threw that off. I wonder if, in the back of their minds, they have some of the same concerns we fans do….that Walters might be able to be effective for a while but runs a higher than normal risk of “getting solved”.

If it were me, I’d like to run him through starts against various opponents as many times as possible before having to face the same people again. Starting him against the Cubs twice in a row doesn’t seem close to ideal.

I wonder if that’s what is ultimately going to happen here. You can only baby a guy so much, I understand, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s part of what is happening there. Like I said, I haven’t had the time to read any comments on it yet though.

by Merry CRasmus on Apr 22, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That makes sense

the poop is that Boggs doesn’t warm up in the ‘pen well, which left Miller out to dry in Walters’ start against a few tough rights.

by liam on Apr 22, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we always think of

this as Albert’s team, but I wonder if Yadi doesn’t play just as big a leadership role in the clubhouse. Remarkable for someone so young.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 22, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to agre with OKCARDS here

Molina is like Pujols Lite. He shares the same attitude, I think they are good friends, etc. If Yadi says something I almost wonder if people think that Pujols either said or would have said the same thing.

"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."

by StLHugo on Apr 22, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

I hear they always finish each other’s….sandwiches

by mattyp on Apr 22, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe you told him

n/t

Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.

by Solanus on Apr 22, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

or the current constant ability

to ground into DPs? I know he went 3 for 4 yesterday, but the fourth AB was yet another rally-killer.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 22, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

one person can put a value to him

His mother. Apparently if any of the Molina boys make a bonehead play, or even pitch selection, she will call them right up and give them an earful.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 22, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

mlb.com

question from a man in a far different time zone: can you only watch the condensed version of games online if you have mlb tv premium?

by mcurry on Apr 22, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

you mean via archives?

cause you obviously can watch the full thing live unless its a blacked out fox broadcast

by FunkeeC on Apr 22, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

archives yes

i just have the basic. and yes i can watch the whole thing, i live overseas so nothing is blacked out. but so say the day after the game, i just want to watch the condensed version. is that possible? or do i have to upgrade to premium?

by mcurry on Apr 22, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

mmm good question

i have premium so im not sure about what basic offers, might wanna read up on the website

by FunkeeC on Apr 22, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have premium

and I haven’t been able to watch one condensed game yet this season.

Classic underachiever.

by spants on Apr 22, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

same here.

Cuts out every 5 minutes or so and completely locks up. I have to kill the flash app to get it to restart. That’s with both mozilla and IE, on windows XP.

- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc

by SleepyCA on Apr 22, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might as

well give Google Chrome a whirl.

Classic underachiever.

by spants on Apr 22, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i believe

mlb has had a lot of troubles with mlb.tv so far this year – it’s been horrific. i have the premium and as far as i know, there still are no condensed games this year. also no optional radio feed to go with the video, which is why i paid extra for the premium.

by riotmute on Apr 22, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought (and I might be wrong)

that with the new Adobe player that MlBTV is using that you can pull up a menu of inning by inning and skip around and watch what you want. Haven’t tried it but that is what they seem to be demonstrating with between inning commercials.

by ridgesee on Apr 22, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, its flash this year

and its working well for me so far. Now, i dont mess with the condensed games, just live watching and I do use the radio feed when game is blacked out

by FunkeeC on Apr 22, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

RB -- a suggestion.

when you post these draft previews (or any kind of serial update), would you put links at the top or bottom of the post to the other posts in the series? that way if we want to compare these guys to the others in the series, we don’t have to go back and find all the other ones.

like so:

draft preview #1
draft preview #2
draft preview #3
draft preview #4
draft preview #5

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Apr 22, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Good suggestion — I always end up opening the archives in different tabs to get the other ones so I can compare back and forth. This would make things a lot easier.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Apr 22, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I usually mean to,

 but end up either forgetting or just running out of time. I’ll try to remember to include those in the future, as I’m sure it does make it much much easier.

If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.

by the red baron on Apr 23, 2009 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

What do you guys think about that kid that has thrown 4 straight no-nos in FL

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Apr 22, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

They had a list of guys on Sportscenter

And there was a guy that had thrown 6 straight at one point and a couple of guys that had thrown 5 straight. I had never heard of a single guy on that list, so I’m assuming it doesn’t necessarily portend great success.

"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang

by bmorgan on Apr 22, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yah...

but this kid did it in Florida, and in the biggest Florida high school class of baseball as well. Seems like a lot of those other kids did it at smaller schools who don’t play as stiff of competition.

I put a link to the article in his hometown newspaper down in the FanShots section this morning.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Apr 22, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm... that would tend to make a difference

Is this kid considered a prospect?

"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang

by bmorgan on Apr 22, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're off by a couple letters there

the better question is: Is he highly regarded by draft people?

"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang

by bmorgan on Apr 22, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope, exactly enough letters

There
Is
No
Such
Thing
As
A
Pitching
Prospect

by FunkeeC on Apr 22, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

but not the right ones

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Apr 22, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

It should be:

TINSTAAPP

not

TINNSAAPP

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Apr 22, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice.

- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc

by SleepyCA on Apr 22, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

73rd overall prospect

Saw a clip on him last night. The clip said he was rated as the 73rd overall prospect by some service, just can’t remember which one.

by birdo rojo on Apr 22, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's wait to see

what he does this next game. His team is headed into the state(?) playoffs tonight, I believe.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 22, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Accident at last night's game

I was at last night’s game, and it was a ton of fun until an accident in the bottom of the 8th inning near our seats. We were sitting below and to the right of the Casino Queen Party Porch, and some guy (who was apparently quite drunk) fell from that level onto fans in the section next to us. One woman was potentially seriously injured – they didn’t move her for a long time, and eventually took her off on a board with her back and neck completely restrained; hopefully that was just caution and she’s OK. The guy who fell initially walked away under his own power, but later on they were restraining him on a board as well.
I didn’t see any mention of it in last night’s thread, so I guess it wasn’t noticed/mentioned on TV or the radio.
And I couldn’t find anything about it at the Post-Dispatch site today, so hopefully that means she wasn’t seriously hurt.

by BTown Birds fan on Apr 22, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

all I heard on the radio was a broken bat that went into the stands

didn’t hear if anyone was hurt on that. Hope everyone heals….. keep your head on a swivel, I guess.

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Apr 22, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

could Jess Todd

be on the Wainwright path to success in the majors?

by hex706f726368 on Apr 22, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

i hope so

otherwise i think having him close is ridiculous

How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor

by themanthemyth on Apr 22, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wainwright wasn't converted to reliever in the minors

he was only done so in the majors because the team wanted Ponson as the 5th starter instead of Reyes and Wainwright.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which makes complete sense

Why choose a rookie who hasn’t earned his stripes when you can have a proven veteran with a track record of being fat and ineffective?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 22, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a great spring!

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Apr 22, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ankiel slump = to new bat???

apparently he used Ludwick’s bat last night which is the same one he used to use when he first came up.

Rick Ankiel borrowed some of Ludwick’s bats on Monday during the voluntary workout, and he used a Ludwick model bat during Tuesday’s game. Ankiel had three hits, including the go-ahead double that was his third extra-base hit in 44 at-bats this season. Ludwick said the bats probably had as much to do with Ankiel pulling loose from a slump as the center fielder’s creatively- and tightly-groomed moustache. "Maybe he can just rake," Ludwick said. But there is something more to the bats than just borrowing it from the hottest hitter. It’s a familiar model for Ankiel. Ludwick’s bat is "a little more balanced," Ankiel said. It has a smaller barrel than the one Ankiel has used previously this season. And it’s familiar. Ludwick’s model is the same model that Ankiel used when he returned to the majors as a hitter in 2007.

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Apr 22, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

on the other hand, the night Rick used Luddy's bat

Luddy went 0-3, ending a 21 game hitting streak. Let’s hope Ankiel didn’t steal ALL of Luddy’s mojo…

- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc

by SleepyCA on Apr 22, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Odd

you’d think if he had hitting problems since switching to the new bat he’d go back a lot sooner.

I wish it had mentioned the differences between the bats.

by sdrone on Apr 22, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

ludwick's ae more balanced and have a smaller barrel

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Apr 22, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed Ludwick's response to questions about the new bat

It has as much to do with Ankiel’s hitting as his facial hair, as in nothing.

“Maybe he can just rake,” Ludwick said.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 22, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Freese optioned to AAA

So, when do we get a full time third baseman? And who?

by chem on Apr 22, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

i really hope mather starts hitting

Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.

he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.

by bearcatcardfan on Apr 22, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably whenever Glaus gets back.

I’d really like to see an everyday guy before that, but I don’t think Tony sees it as a priority. Right now he gets to use one of his beloved platoons.

Seems like Allen Craig could come up riding the hot streak he’s been on since camp and contribute, but I just don’t see it.

The thought that I have is that the season is over. And that everybody in the game; a fan, a coach, a player, a manager, front office, scouts...surrender. They say, "that's enough," especially after a game like this. But then Christmas comes, New Years, contracts are signed, trades are made, free agents are signed; and then baseball, like the rose beneath the April snow will force it's way to the front again. And we'll have the fever once more.
-Jack

by Jack618 on Apr 22, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glaus will never again play for the Cardinals

It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have my fingers in my ears and am not listening

Not because I think there’s a >50% chance you’re wrong, but because I fear what chance there is of a Thurston/Barden tandem for the entire season.

by mattybobo on Apr 22, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd guess

a Thurston/Barden platoon for a while. They should give Craig a chance.

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...and I'm wanting an Allen Craig call-up!

by RunninRedbird on Apr 22, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is not horrible

Our 3B position is currently ranked 14th in baseball with an OPS of .765

So it could be worst

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 22, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ironically

hasn’t Freese been the one dragging that down? I mean, if only Thursty and Slur-it had been getting time and not Freese, it would be higher, correct?

by mattybobo on Apr 22, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Barton gone

“Slur-it” seems to me to have lost its relevancy.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 22, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Khalil's walks...

His BB% this young season is 11.1%. Last year it was 5.4%, and his career rate is 6.9%. His K% has fallen, too. It was 25.7% last season and is, get this, 12.5% so far this year. So, even though Greene hitting .229, he can still have a .339 OBP. Thank you, FanGraphs.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 22, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm telling you

He’s gonna OBP350 this season, especially if he’s batting 7 in front of the pitcher fairly often, or ninth behind him.

Too bad Tony’s so damned conventional lately.

by liam on Apr 22, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is the kind of thing that gives me hope he can keep it up somewhat

I know it’s a tiny sample, but man. First of his career? That seems like a big deal to me.

by mattybobo on Apr 22, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty sure he read that in the VEB game thread

;)

- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc

by SleepyCA on Apr 22, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you look at Harry's workup

of our hitters in his FanPost, you can see the difference in Greene’s pitch f/x graph.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Apr 22, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you

Brian Barden, as well.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Apr 22, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking Barden's day...

last Friday? has a lot to do with that high OPS at short.

Sometimes I wonder,
"Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"

...and then it hits me!!

by cardzfanbub on Apr 22, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell that to

the official website of the St. Louis Cardinals. They have a get-out-the-vote for the All-Star Game w/ Freese’s photo in the lineup.

Classic underachiever.

by spants on Apr 22, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd guess only Dusty Baker

is, well, “fooled” enough to adjust anything based on which mediocre hitting middle infielder is playing out of position.

Or maybe they’re waiting to raise a beer to see if TLR will bench the hot hitting rookie.

by sdrone on Apr 22, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

or the all star/silver slugger outfielder

How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor

by themanthemyth on Apr 22, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

cal eldred is taping him filling it out for the pregame

so it should be an interesting segment. hopefully cal tells him to start Colby & Luddy every frakin day.

It kind of sounds like he’s [Duncan] just running around like a puppy out there – full speed ahead in random directions. – BTown Birds Fan

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

how exciting

my first post on the blog was that picture last night and it makes the front page!

by prophetjohn on Apr 22, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

'course it's not every day

you get to see Yadi tagging a Met in the crotch. Was that Beltran?

"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill

by lordsummer on Apr 22, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Murphy

"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."

by StLHugo on Apr 22, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny how FS Midwest's cameras didn't pick that up in HD

Imagine Dan’n’Al’s reaction…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 22, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question about corner outfielding

How different are the skill sets needed for LF and RF? About all I can come up with is you want a good arm in RF to keep batters from stretching doubles into triples. The reason I ask is, might it not be a good idea to try and “hide” Chris Duncan’s horrible defense by putting him in RF against primarily right-handed lineups, and in LF for lefty-heavy lineups? Or would the doubles-to-triples problem offset any potential gains?

by Andyfantastic on Apr 22, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I give you

The 2006 World Series.

Please don’t bring up this idea again. I beg you.

by sdrone on Apr 22, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's just the point

He’ll pull crap like that whether he’s in LF or RF, so let’s put him where the balls ain’t.

I feel your pain, though.

by Andyfantastic on Apr 22, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will say this...

from my experience in softball anyway. A ball hit “the other way” (to left by a lefty or to right by a righty) has a totally different spin than one that’s pulled, and I think makes for a harder play.

Sometimes I wonder,
"Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"

...and then it hits me!!

by cardzfanbub on Apr 22, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is...

while the positional adjustment isn’t all that much different the zone ratings for corner outfielders, especially the bad ones, do vary quite a bit from right field to left field. Adam Dunn is about 20 worse in right field over 150 games than he is in left field. Manny Ramirez played worse in right field as an Indian than he did as a left fielder in Boston. There has to be some reason for this other than them just being crappy outfielders.

In addition, the way the ball comes off the bat, the angles you need to take to get to the ball, and where your first step is are different for right field vs. left field. Crappy outfielders like Duncan already have problems with these to begin with, so why exacerbate that by playing him in different positions all the time depending on whether the lineup is righty or lefty heavy?

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Apr 22, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

RF Arm

That’s because the longest throw in the game that you have to commonly make is right to 3rd to prevent triples. The throw from left to third isn’t as far. (Except in Pittsburgh, supposedly.)

by liam on Apr 22, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

1st to 3rd

Actually, a consideration that is more important than limiting doubles stretched into triples is cutting down on runners going first to third on singles. That is a tremendously under-appreciated part of the game (from both a baserunning perspective and a fielding perspective). That is one of the reasons that I partially disagree with the Bill James school of thought and tunnel vision on OBP. Walks are fantastic, but nobody’s going first to third on a walk.

And with that, a fun factoid (please don’t fact-check this and tell me I’m wrong because I have been absolutely annoying my non-Cardinal-fan friends with this one for a year and I’m relying solely on memory from an article I read mid-last season): Over the past three years, Albert Pujols has gone first to third on a single more than any other player in baseball. I’m also willing to bet he has scored from second on a groundout to an infielder more than anyone else in baseball (1).

by Cardaholic on Apr 22, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That second bet

Man, that was such a great series overall.

by liam on Apr 22, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

"nobody is going first to third on a walk"

that’s why linear weights-based offensive contribution formulas like wOBA treat singles differently than walks. OTOH, guys with walk-heavy OBP’s get to go first to third a lot more when the guys after them hit singles, and they don’t walk-into-double-plays.

Anyway, the data on going 1-3 and 2-h is available at billjamesonline.com. Not gonna tell you what it says.

- "I went at it and didn’t slow down, so it kind of bounced off me." -Lil' Dunc

by SleepyCA on Apr 22, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fav baseball moveis

Bird Land’s 10@10 today is about Molina but has a poll on favorite baseball movies. Currently Field of Dreams is leading Bull Durham by slightly over 100 votes with The Natural coming in 3rd a little over 100 behind Bull.

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/bird-land/bird-land/2009/04/dgs-1010-molina-picks-off-matheny

"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."

by StLHugo on Apr 22, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

The one I vote for was the one

he refused to add, despite Rick Hummel’s request: Bang The Drum Slowly. It’s got DeNiro in it, folks! His character is dying! How can you not have it on your list???

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 22, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted other

Billy Crystal’s 61* is my favorite baseball movie.

by liam on Apr 24, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our Lineup order and how it is ranked so far

Here is some numbers and how we are ranking in terms of other teams in our lineup order

  1. .254/.348/.390/.738 – 16th in baseball by OPS
  2. .262/.348/.311/.659 – 22nd
  3. .288/.424/.596/1.020 – 7th
  4. .345/.391/.672/1.063 – 6th
  5. .357/.424/.554/.978 – 4th
  6. .211/.250/.281/.531 – 30th
  7. .356/.491/.689/1.180 – 1st
  8. .367/.446/.571/1.018 – 3rd
  9. .175/.255/.250/.505 – 7th in the NL

Some interesting things albeit small samples. #1 and #2 slots seem to be underperforming. #3,#4,#5 are solid, #6 in abysmal of doom, Holy shit look at #7 and #8.

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 22, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Pretty amazing

that Albert is leading the league in RBI’s with the horrible production from the 1 and 2 slots so far.

Also, they’ve got to be within a couple AB’s first place for the 3rd and 4th slots in the order.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Apr 22, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait.

Pujols is batting .288? He’s only had 1 day off, hasn’t he?

by sdrone on Apr 22, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

.290s now

just checked BR and he is slightly over .290 but still under .300

"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."

by StLHugo on Apr 22, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yadi.....

.348 .436 .522 .958

That is a 0.958 OPS……

by cdb on Apr 22, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

8th is even crazier given that we've still had a couple of games with the pitcher in that slot.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Apr 22, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weren't both of those games

Wainwright starts though? Or is Welley’s start last night included in this distribution?

Adam is a pretty solid hitter for a pitcher, so those wouldn’t surprise me that much. As long as the AB’s don’t include Lohse and Piniero, our pitchers are above average hitters for pitchers.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Apr 22, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Position

P: .118 .200 .176 .376 – 4th
C: .367/.448/.531/.979 – 3rd
1B: .294/.431/.608/1.039 – 4th
2B: .276/.328/.431/.759 – 14th
3B: .286/.357/.408/.765 – 14th
SS: .294/.400/.510/.910 – 4th
LF: .327/.418/.582/1.000 – 7th
CF: .190/.288/.241/.529 – 28th
RF: .397/.438/.707/1.144 – 1st
PH: .200/.333/.320/.653 – 16th

"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."

by StLHugo on Apr 22, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

seems like - with the exception of ankiel and schumaker, who will likely improve

we have at least average to above average hitters at every slot.

i guess the counterpoint to expecting improvement from ank and schu will be expecting regression from some (yadi, greene, duncan, thurston, barden). but except for thurston and barden, I doubt we have huge regression from those playing above their heads. ankiel and schumaker should come back to normal ranges.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Apr 22, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

really Ank is the only one...

below average. 14th (2B and 3B) is pretty much right in the middle.

Sometimes I wonder,
"Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"

...and then it hits me!!

by cardzfanbub on Apr 22, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but schumaker is actually dragging down the stats at 2b right now.

to be clearer, they are two batters likely to improve towards their mean. 2b should get better than average then.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Apr 22, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terrible idea

This is the first I’ve heard of it.

by liam on Apr 22, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brad Pitt

has signed on as Billy Beane. Hattiesberg is playing himself. The movie is not going to make any sense.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Apr 22, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

or 3 Nights in August

though a movie about 3 games w/ the Cubs might be fun if we hadn’t lost those games

"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."

by StLHugo on Apr 22, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just takes a re-write

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Apr 22, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

That makes sense

Buzz Bizzinger’s been practicing his salty language to make the dialogue appealing to the hip youths.

by liam on Apr 22, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you

But didn’t we win 2 out of 3 of those games with the Cubs in that book?

The thought that I have is that the season is over. And that everybody in the game; a fan, a coach, a player, a manager, front office, scouts...surrender. They say, "that's enough," especially after a game like this. But then Christmas comes, New Years, contracts are signed, trades are made, free agents are signed; and then baseball, like the rose beneath the April snow will force it's way to the front again. And we'll have the fever once more.
-Jack

by Jack618 on Apr 22, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

We did

But we still lost the division title.

But then Bartman happened, so this movie could still have a happy ending.

by Andyfantastic on Apr 22, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for clarifying

The thought that I have is that the season is over. And that everybody in the game; a fan, a coach, a player, a manager, front office, scouts...surrender. They say, "that's enough," especially after a game like this. But then Christmas comes, New Years, contracts are signed, trades are made, free agents are signed; and then baseball, like the rose beneath the April snow will force it's way to the front again. And we'll have the fever once more.
-Jack

by Jack618 on Apr 22, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not much run support for Dan Haren so far this year

He’s 0-3 through his first three games despite a 1.89 ERA, 0.79 WHIP, .182 BAA, and 5.7:1 K:BB ratio. The DBacks have scored a grand total of 1 run in those three games – they’ve lost 3-0, 3-1, and 2-0. He’s currently pitching a 6 hit shutout with 9 K through 7 innings, but the DBacks are also being shut out. Yeesh.

by BTown Birds fan on Apr 22, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, they just scored! DBacks up 1-0.

Haren’s out of the game, but if that holds up he’s in line for the win.

by BTown Birds fan on Apr 22, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just think of all the Run Support he could have had.

The thought that I have is that the season is over. And that everybody in the game; a fan, a coach, a player, a manager, front office, scouts...surrender. They say, "that's enough," especially after a game like this. But then Christmas comes, New Years, contracts are signed, trades are made, free agents are signed; and then baseball, like the rose beneath the April snow will force it's way to the front again. And we'll have the fever once more.
-Jack

by Jack618 on Apr 22, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

good thing my league

doesn’t use the win/loss stat, since he’s on my team. I just saw that today, amazing! (sheds tear)

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 22, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe trying to...

i got nothing

How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor

by themanthemyth on Apr 22, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tony's just being passive-aggressive with VEB users

“So you want that Rasmus guy to start, huh? Well, I’ll start him, but Ludwick is sitting.”

I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain

by jd is legend on Apr 22, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

We know there's no Luddy, here's the rest of the lineups...

Metropolitans:

Reyes SS
Murphy LF
Wright 3B
Delgado 1B
Beltran CF
Church RF
Castro C
Castillo 2B
Maine P

Cardinals

Skip 2B
Rasmus RF
Albert 1B
Dunc LF
Ank CF
Yadi C
KhalilBot SS
Thursron 3B
Pineiro P

by LukeMP1186 on Apr 22, 2009 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Thurston was probably...

3-5 in AAA against Maine 4 years ago. Or something of the sort…

by LukeMP1186 on Apr 22, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess that "rally killer" label really sticks, huh?

i presume this is all about handedness, and barden and ludwick will just be subbed in for rasmus and thurston late in the game.

ah well. ludwick and barden aside, this is a reasonably sane lineup. no more greene hitting second.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Apr 22, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Throw in a certain RF

and I really like that lineup.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Apr 22, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly how I feel

I've got one foot on the platform, the other foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain

by jd is legend on Apr 22, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's with TLR???

From what I can tell, the pitcher has batted 8th in only one game this year (the 8th of April, and a loss at that) and now he’s gone “traditional” maybe?

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Apr 22, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

This blonde...

on MLB Network is sort of an idiot. But I’ve found the programming much more tolerable than Baseball Tonight…

by LukeMP1186 on Apr 22, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Trenni Kusnierek

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 22, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

This gal, right?

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 22, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

is nearly life sized.

Classic underachiever.

by spants on Apr 22, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

just wanted to say

RB – these draft previews are fantastic. Really well-written and informative, the sort of stuff you just can’t get from most other online sources. Kudos on this series.

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 23, 2009 6:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Thank you very much.

I do what I can.

If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on it.

by the red baron on Apr 23, 2009 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

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