Glaus to be back at All-Star Break?
by bgh on Apr 1, 2009 2:48 PM EDT
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PrintJoe Strauss does some reporting on Troy Glaus's rehab. The story brings what I would consider to be good news and disheartening news. To begin with, Glaus will rehab in Phoenix with Keith Coker, who directly supervised his 2004 rehab from shoulder surgery. To put it another way, he is escaping the St. Louis Cardinal National League Baseball Club medical staff.
A few paragraphs down in the piece, Strauss offers us some anonymous projections as to a potential return date for our injured third baseman:
Glaus will remain in Phoenix until he is ready to fully participate in baseball-related activities. He will then return to the team’s spring training headquarters when ready to play. Glaus will also likely require an extended rehab assignment with a minor-league affiliate.
Though Glaus did not offer a specific timetable, club sources have indicated it is unlikely he would be activated before June.
Glaus emphasized his shifting rehab should not be construed as an indictment of treatment he has received since entering camp Feb. 17.
“The course of action we took was not as quick as everybody hoped. That was it,” Glaus said. “It has nothing to do with an indictment of anybody or any group.”
Forgive us, Troy, for we are a fickle fanbase with a long and sordid recent history when it comes to shoulder injuries (ahem, Rolen and Mulder). Essentially, the length of time Glaus is expected to miss has doubled, from one month to two. David Freese, your time is now.
**Update**
Bernie blogs late last night/early this mornin' that Glaus will be re-evaluated in June and possibly have a four-week rehab stint in the bus leagues. This puts the target return date at the All-Star break. But, Bernie goes beyond that:
Just assume he’s done and won’t play at all in 2009. Does that sound harsh? Sure it does. But I suggest this so you don’t torment yourselves into believing Glaus will be back by a certain date. Brace for the worst, and if Glaus comes back, then it’s a nice bonus. Then you can celebrate the good news. But it would be foolish to circle a date on the calendar and expect Glaus to trot out and take his customary spot at 3B on a specific day. How many times will we be fooled by this organization’s silly, wildly optimistic injury prognostications? When Glaus had the shoulder surgery, we were assured he’d be ready a couple of weeks into April — if not sooner…and team management was annoyed by any media suggestions to the contrary. Ah, but then the Cardinals told us that Glaus would be return in May. Now the forecast has zoomed right past June; they’re talking about Glaus being back by the All-Star Game break. (Read El Diablo’s report here.) Please. The Cardinals are going down Mulder Road again, and I for one refuse to follow.
After that less-than-rosy assessment from Bernie, it seems that we all have a much greater rooting interest in St. Louisan David Freese...
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Sorry for the pessimism
But to me this just looks like #1 in the coming list of excuses we will be given for the Cards’ falling out of contention.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
No need to get down, yet
I feel that this is the single position where we can afford a protracted rehab of an injured star. I think that Freese and Joey Bombs ought to be able to be better-than-replacement at third. Then again, it’s spring, and I may be overly optimistic. It’s Spring, the sun is shining, the grass is green, and the Cards are playing baseball…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Apr 1, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right about that
It’s been too long without games that matter. But still, I’d take Glaus over Freese or Mather at 3rd any day.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
I'm confident in Freese
But adding Glaus at mid-season will be like making a trade frazzle razzle trazzle.
by liam on Apr 1, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Getting Troy Glaus back from injury is like trading for an All-Star."
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Apr 1, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
I figure it’s only a few more seasons before Hrabosky starts trailing his sentences off like that, if I haven’t already missed the start of it.
if he ever gets a deal with jello, watch out
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson
by gdm426 on Apr 1, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No biggie
I’m not really worried at all. In fact, it might be a good thing! Too soon do we forget how slow Glaus started out last year. I think he had what, like 2 homers the first month or two??? He is a slow starter. I could easily see Freese putting up something like .285 with 6 homeruns, and 20rbi’s over April and May. I would take that over Glaus’s 2008 April and May. Wait till it warms up to throw Glaus back in, he seems to like the hot weather?!?!
i don't have a good feeling about this
like i said early this morning, his playing days with the Cards could be over. youjustneverknow
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson
it's also very frustrating
because it pretty much makes it impossible for him to be a Type A free agent.
- So, to ease his pain, you're supposed to take him to a ball game?
- Yes.
I hadn't even thought of that
What a bummer.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Apr 1, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't think I see the team offering arby...
either way (type A or no). Even with the injury he’d be guarunteed at least $8mil and might make $10M in arbitration. We may have as many as five capable 3Bmen next year (if you count Barden and Mather) who could all play for the minimum.
Sometimes I wonder,
"Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"
...and then it hits me!!
agree
no arb offered, would be the correct course. no compensation expected, other than reclaiming the budget $ of glaus 09 salary.
Depends on Freese, don't you think?
If Freese takes to being his hometown’s 3B, then it is definitely moot. But, if Freese struggles, there will be pressure to seek a solution at 3B elsewhere. If that solution is Glaus, would we offer him arbitration? If so, how would his injury affect arbitration? Would it drive down his cost? I plead ignorance as I have never studied this issue. Any insights?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
why?
If he accepted arb, which he’d almost certainly not do, he should be easy to trade at $10M or so for a one-year deal, coming off the kind of year he’d have to have to be a type A.
Even if you had to eat half the contract, it would be worth it to gain a first-round draft pick.
- So, to ease his pain, you're supposed to take him to a ball game?
- Yes.
KTRS
was just saying he will not even be re-evaluated until June.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
Yahoo is saying the same thing
maybe i was right after all
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson
well
at least he set the record for fielding %
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 1, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
if re-evaluated june 1
and then 4 weeks of rehab games. an all-star break best case scenario?
Bernie blogs All-Star break at best:
3. THE BEST ADVICE FOR CARDINALS FANS REGARDING TROY GLAUS: Just assume he’s done and won’t play at all in 2009. Does that sound harsh? Sure it does. But I suggest this so you don’t torment yourselves into believing Glaus will be back by a certain date. Brace for the worst, and if Glaus comes back, then it’s a nice bonus. Then you can celebrate the good news. But it would be foolish to circle a date on the calendar and expect Glaus to trot out and take his customary spot at 3B on a specific day. How many times will we be fooled by this organization’s silly, wildly optimistic injury prognostications? When Glaus had the shoulder surgery, we were assured he’d be ready a couple of weeks into April — if not sooner…and team management was annoyed by any media suggestions to the contrary. Ah, but then the Cardinals told us that Glaus would be return in May. Now the forecast has zoomed right past June; they’re talking about Glaus being back by the All-Star Game break. (Read El Diablo’s report here.) Please. The Cardinals are going down Mulder Road again, and I for one refuse to follow. I’m going to pull for rookie David Freese to do a commendable job defensively at third, and with the bat, and hope that the opportunity will give Freese a chance to launch his big-league career. What I won’t do is take that turn down Mulder Road with Glaus and the Cardinals. As we have seen so many times before, it is usually a road to nowhere… or at best, there’s a long and confusing detour.
Ugh.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i've been saying that for a while now
dude needs to stop ripping me off. and if he is going to rip me off, at least give a brotha some cred
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson
bernie seems almost happy about this
that is the most long-winded “neener-neener, told ya so” I’ve ever seen.
- So, to ease his pain, you're supposed to take him to a ball game?
- Yes.
He's pleased
Now, folks will hit the P-D website for Glaus updates and to complain on the chat boards.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Apr 3, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He's right, though.
There is a principle in sales called SWAN. That stands for Sell What’s Available Now. Those who choose not to follow often diminish their credibility with their customers. This is a principle that the Cardinals’ public relations staff would be wise to adopt. They have so eroded their credibility regarding statements about player injuries, that they have virtually no good faith remaining with the fan base. They would be better served to give the most pessimistic outlook on recovery times, and allow the fan base to be thrilled at earlier returns by players.
Bernie is smug, and generally flippant, which aggravates me a great deal. I know he is an editorialist, but he seems to provide nothing more than pure opinion in his writing any more. It would be nice if he provided something more than glib remarks. Maybe then I might expect something of value from his articles.
Bernie
I long ago gave up reading his pieces, although Google Reader allows me to preview his blog for insight. You are right. He is smug and he is flippant; however, he often does some actual statistical analysis on his blog, which is nice. I think that part of the problem is the cross-pollination of talk radio and newspapermen (-people). It has created columnists who are less inisightful than they incendiary because talk radio is a much less thoughtful format. Unfortunately, they meld their in-print and on-air personalities into something that is below what a print columnist should be. This is why you see blogs that are analytical and insightful taking readers away from MSM. Writers like LBoros, DanUp, RedBaron, ChuckB, et. al provide opinions and insight with analysis to back it up, which spurs reciprocally thoughtful discussion (for the most part). I know this is why I love this blog and check it religiously.
As for SWAN, I understand what you are saying. But, the Cardinal organization was (and is still) trying to sell tickets. Their model predicted 2.7MM sold for the year before tickets went on sale. I honestly believe this Glaus rouse was motivated solely by the need not to undermine sales. It seems to have worked. The organization has sold 2.8MM+ as of the last reporting that I saw. Then again, Troy Glaus was in Spring Training, partaking in baseball activities and openly telling folks that he hoped to participate in a Spring Training game…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
it's like trading for a veteran third baseman who hits for power.
except younger. and with less experience.
it really is tom!
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and....BEN SHEETS!!! **
**not that BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment, just BEN SHEETS!!!
(BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment)
Thank goodness it wasn't Molina.
At least we have sufficient depth at 3B. If this had happened to Molina, then we would be looking forward to the pitcher’s spot being more productive than the catcher’s spot.
I look forward to seeing what Freese can do at 3B. I’m hoping that Ludwick’s spring has just been him trying to get warmed up; and maybe Ankiel, Duncan, and Greene can help us improve enough offensively. It sounds like Freese is very solid defensively, so at least we won’t lose anything there.
There are definitely a lot worse positions on the field for this to have happened.
I agree with the consensus that
if we were to lose a player at ANY starting position, 3B would be about the best possibility. I’m guessing the Freese/Mather/possible Craig combo isn’t likely to be much more than 1 win worse than Glaus in 09. It’s a blow but I don’t think it’s terminal.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
Bingo
I ended up really liking Troy Glaus. I think most people here did. But in the end we also pretty much all knew that Glaus was a nice place holder for one of our deepest positions to be filled from within in the near future. As long as we can get some decent offense from the combo I think we’re good.
One year
of pretty damn good production and decent defense from Glaus was more than we would’ve gotten from Rolen over two seasons. This sucks, but at least we had ’08.
"It's only a flesh wound."
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
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