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State of the Southpaws

"They're going to have to start showing something that enables us to give them more opportunities to pitch,"
"He looks good throwing in the bullpen." "But the time's coming when he has to bring that into the game."
"But what happens is, if you don't see things you like, the opportunities become scarcer. "
These are all quotes from LaRussa and Duncan on the state of the non-Trever Miller-lefthanders in the Cards’ pen so far this spring. To many of us, it’s not all that surprising that Ian Ostlund, Charlie Manning, Royce Ring, and Katsuhiko Maekawa haven’t exactly set the world on fire. It’s not like any of them had great track records entering the spring.

Still, I think the team’s been hoping that at least 1 of them can manage to at least get lefthanded hitters out w/ some degree of regularity once the regular season begins. We all know how Tony likes to use his pen – he’s going to utilize platoon advantages every chance he gets – and, in order to do that, he’s got to have more than 1 lefty he can count on.

So far the quartet has thrown in 10 games w/ 10 IP, having given up 13 hits, 7 ER, 1 HR, 7 BB and 5 Ks. In fairness, a lot of that is on Ostlund’s shoulders as he managed to give up 5 earned in just 1 inning but my guess is that Tony and Duncan are more concerned about the number of walks than anything else. Even Maekawa, who’s thrown 3 IP and given up just 1 H and 0 ER has walked 3 in those 3 IP. That’s not usually a formula for success.

Fortunately for Mo and the Cardinals, there are 3 lefthanded relievers still available on the market (non-Ricardo Rincon version) – Joe Beimel, Will Ohman, and Dennys Reyes. Let’s profile the 3.

Joe Beimel – age 32 (in 6 weeks) – Beimel played his last 3 seasons w/ the Dodgers and has the distinction of having given up just 1 homer in the last 2 seasons combined (Carlos Beltran in 2007). The key, clearly, is being able to get lefthanders out so let’s look at his splits for 2008 and career.

FIP PA/BB PA/K PA/HR AVG OBP SLG
2008 2.63 20 5.88 infinity .278 .330 .311
Career 3.75 12.88 5.5 55.46 .266 .330 .392

Beimel was worth 0.7 WAR last season for an estimated value of $3.2 M. Over the last 3 seasons, he’s been worth 1.7 WAR and approximately $7.5 M. He’s probably at least a 0.5 WAR player worth $2 – 2.5 M for ’09.

Will Ohman – age 32 (in August) – Ohman spent 2008 w/ the Braves after spending his first 5 or so years in the league w/ the dreaded Cubs.

FIP PA/BB PA/K PA/HR AVG OBP SLG
2008 3.00 14.25 4.07 57 .200 .257 .314
Career 3.39 10.26 3.56 44.1 .197 .285 .318

Ohman was worth 0.9 WAR last season at an approximate value of $4.2 M. Over the last 3 seasons, he’s been worth 2.1 WAR and approximately $8.6 M. You’d have to figure he’s worth every bit of what Beimel’s worth + a little more. He’s almost certainly worth $2-2.5 M for ’09.

Dennys Reyes – he has the exact same birthday as Beimel (to the day!) – Reyes has been a Twin for the last 3 seasons and bounced around quite a bit before that. At various points in his career he’s been a Padre, a Royal, a D-back, a Ranger, a Red, a Rockie and a Dodger. Considering his experience, I really expected him to be much older than he is.

FIP PA/BB PA/K PA/HR AVG OBP SLG
2008 2.76 20.2 4.39 50.5 .202 .250 .287
Career 3.53 8.68 4.08 65.1 .237 .330 .340

(All the above numbers are their respective splits against lefthanded hitters.)

Last year, Reyes was worth 0.6 WAR for a value of $2.8M. Over the last 3 seasons, he’s been worth 1.8 WAR for an approximate total value of $8.2 M. I have to say how surprised I am at how good Reyes has been and how young he is. The scariest thing about him is that he seems to be unable to have 2 consecutive strong seasons in a row. He’s like a pendulum – 1 good season, 1 poor, 1 good 1 poor, etc. His WAR since 2002 have been 0.5, 0, 1.7, minus 0.2, 1.1, 0.1, 0.6. On a 1 year contract, will it be a bad decision to bring him on?

There are 3 pretty good options available here. Beimel’s been great in keeping the ball in the ballpark but the others haven't exactly been Eric Milton. Beimel’s also been the worst of the 3 in throwing strikes. Ohman’s much more the strikeout pitcher and, in my opinion is the best bet going forward. He’s certainly worth the $2 or so million that it appears it would cost to sign him, isn’t he? Moreover, if we fall out of the race, he’s certainly worth whatever we could trade him for in July. If Ostlund, et al stink all season, not only do they not help us win but they provide us no trade value either.

At this point, we don’t seem inclined to sign a starting pitcher; we’re just going to go w/ Carpenter and cross our fingers he can stay healthy most of the season. It looks like we’re going to go w/ Skip at 2nd – no need to sign Ray Durham or Grudzielanek. So what are we saving the $2 M for? Do we really think that the guys we have in camp will be better than Will Ohman? I like the idea of seeing what these guys can give us since they could be with us beyond ’09 but, at the very least, it appears as though Ohman could bring us more in a July trade than we’ll ever get from Ostlund and Charlie Manning. It may be about a week too soon to pull the trigger on a signing, but Mo better keep Ohman’s, Beimel’s, and Reyes’s agents’ numbers handy.

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It depends on what you mean by "starter"
At this point, we don’t seem inclined to sign a starting pitcher; we’re just going to go w/ Carpenter and cross our fingers he can stay healthy most of the season.

If you mean “starter,” as in a starter who will, ya know, start, then, no, we definitely do not seem inclined to sign one. However, if you mean a “starter,” who is a veteran that can be converted to closer, then there seems to be those in favor of signing one. Hopefully, this is just TLR speaking out of the turn and the front office in no way, shape, or form supports the idea.

Mozeliak is scheduled to meet today with La Russa and his coaches to discuss the camp’s progress. The discussion might include discussion of free agent Pedro Martinez as an option at closer. La Russa suggested in November that the club should expand its consideration to include veteran starting pitchers. Martinez has a recent history of shoulder problems but said Tuesday he would be open to the possibility of closing. “I would prefer to try it first and see how my body responds because I haven’t done it in a long time,” said Martinez, who might be used in a relief role during the World Baseball Classic. “It’s something you really have to endure and really try first before you know if your body can do it.”

So, Strauss publishes TLR hopes and gets a quote from Pedro on the idea?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 5, 2009 8:05 AM EST reply actions  

if we sign pedro

i really hope its not to use him as a closer…i think i’d rather have him in our rotation than piniero(though if he can only go 5 every start, then i reserve the right to change that opinion)

just let perez be the closer…the way i see it, our chances of winning the world series are pretty low this year anyways; why not let perez work out the kinks for a season so that down the line, we have a top flight experienced closer? and from the optimist point of view, we won the 2006 world series using an inexperienced closer for a good chunk of time…ALL WE ARE SAYING, IS GIVE PEREZ A CHANCE…come on everyone, sing with me now

by VolsnCards5 on Mar 5, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll take Pedro

any way we can get him. If we get him in the organization, I think they’ll have no choice but to make him a starter…which is an improvement over Piniero.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 5, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

5 IP/start out of Pedro >>> Pineiro

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by jd is legend on Mar 5, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Would Pedro

even be willing to close? He’s only been a bullpen guy once in his career and that was in ‘93 when he was a rookie. Just curious if he’s said anything or hinted at the idea that he would take on the closer’s role. I’d rather have him as a starter, but I was just wondering…

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by RunninRedbird on Mar 5, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Does anybody know what Pedro's "stuff" looks like these day?

Because I don’t. I doubt he looks like a typical closer right now, mph-wise. Of course the most important criteria for pitchers are getting dudes out and preventing runs, etc. etc.

by mattybobo on Mar 5, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

XM radio this morning

Buck Martinez had some positive comments about Pedro’s progress this morning. Buck said that Pedro may start the DR v PR game next week because of both his experience and his strong showing yesterday.

by ubeddie on Mar 5, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with signing him as a starter IF

Pedro’s contract has a low base salary, is only one year, and is incentive-filled. I, too, believe that he would be an upgrade over Pineiro. If you can add some insurance to the rotation that way, I feel that it is a wise investment of resources. However, due to his sensitive throwing arm, I think experiementing with him at closer would be foolish.

Pedro’s 2008 was not dominant. He had the lowest K/9 of his career, the highest BB/9 since 1993, the lowest K/BB rate of his career, the highest HR rate of his career, the highest WHIP (1.57) of his career, the highest BAA (.292), and a 5.61 ERA, which was the highest of his career. Dare I say that he might be the rough equivalent of Jo-El in both cost and effectiveness.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 5, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd give him a chance

on an incentive laden deal. He’s a huge personality. I don’t know if that would be positive or not. I bet Pujols likes him. If he becomes a Cardinal, I bet I could like him.

by Toddius on Mar 5, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd take pedro if he comes real cheap

But TBH I think he’ll be looking for an absolute minimum of $5m, possibly even more. I haven’t heard him say he’ll accept a lowball (and if he does it’s more likely to be from the Mets or another east coast team I’d guess). In all honesty, I don’t see him being a HUGE upgrade over pinata at this stage of his career. I’d rather upgrade LH relief or get a 2B who can platoon with Schu to be honest.

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 5, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

i saw a quote from pedro saying specifically he wouldn't take a "glavine" deal.

so i doubt he would work for the peanuts i would be willing to pay him. and what he’s probably looking for ($3-5M) he’s not worth.

i also thought it was a little crass basically to call out another aging hurler and tell him he was selling himself short.

by tom s. on Mar 5, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Strauss

likes to go fishing. If I had a nickel for every rumor he reported and and a dollar for everyone that came true, I’d still be in debt.

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by bukowski on Mar 5, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

What are we saving the $2 million for?

To help Dewitt line his pockets in a financially uncertain time.

by JShell73 on Mar 5, 2009 9:00 AM EST reply actions  

I'm as cynical as the next guy

but I don’t think greed can explain this. Nothing causing empty seat syndrome more readily than a bullpen that can’t help vomiting up leads.

So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)

by Titus Pullo on Mar 5, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

$2 million is baseball chump change

If $2 million bucks for a lefty reliever is going to break this team financially…well, then, look out for another era of Cardinal baseball like 1988-95.

Frankly, there’s no rush. There’s three experienced, serviceable guys out there. It makes sense to see if one of the $500K guys can do the job. If not, then Ohman, Beimel or Reyes can likely be had for less than $2 million, considering that the three of them are competing against each other for jobs.

by blove121 on Mar 5, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure they can

already be had for less than $2 million. These guys want jobs.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Mar 5, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

usually

there is a release date in march before which you only have to pay a fraction of the contracted salary. can’t remember the exact date, but i bet ring etc do.

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by sportsman on Mar 5, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

offer 1.5MM to all three leftys

The first one to accept the offer becomes a Cardinal. It’s that easy.

Does anyone know if Ring can be sent to Memphis? would he have to clear waivers?

Manning is on a minor league deal, so they can keep him around for depth in case Trevor Miller gets hurt.

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by salukihoops on Mar 5, 2009 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

I am pretty sure Ring is out of options so he would have to clear waivers

But with everyone’s ass puckered so tight I doubt anyone would pick him up

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by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 5, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

why would anyone even want him

8-some ERA last year, and his career’s been kindof mediocre to date. I think we shouldn’t have signed him to more than a minor league deal in the first place…

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 5, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

he should clear waivers with no problem.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Mar 5, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

ring is out of options

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by sportsman on Mar 5, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Makes no sense

to not go after the best lefty reliever on the market. Why would you open yourself up for the criticism that is sure to come if you don’t spend 2-3 million for a real team need. I don’t think this team has the starting pitching to win, but they seem to think that they do and that is worth a shot. What they are saying is that they need relief help and there is no excuse to not answer that need.

Don’t agree with signing Pedro – Perez and Motte are fine and just need to be given the opportunity.

by Warcard on Mar 5, 2009 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

LOOGY

are we really quibbling over a loogy? there are three comparable guys available, it’s early in spring training, and supposedly the team’s contacted all of them. i’m sure tony will have his requisite 2nd lefty soon enough.

by spencegrif on Mar 5, 2009 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

lefty pitching

 I was high on ohman last year and he seems to be the guy to get, Philly was said to be offering only around a million for him, so i think now as late as it is he’d easily jump at a chance at 2 mil. Although i wouldn’t mind beimel he was pretty good out of the dodger pen last year.
being a lefty and having a descent knuckleball i wonder if i could get a chance i’d have no problem signing for the league minimum, although my 68 mph fastball might get killed even tho it has movement, is it bad when your humor makes yourself laugh.
The only way i want to see pedro in cardinal red is every 5 th day, and he’d better be able to go to the 6th alot.

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by elirock83 on Mar 5, 2009 10:02 AM EST reply actions  

I still like K-Mac as our LOOGY

plus he can also get righties out too! But I don’t imagine TLR is open to this idea. . .

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by gocards62 on Mar 5, 2009 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

Ha!

Plus, it’s like making that big trade for a veteran LOOGY guy, only he’s already here!

by mattybobo on Mar 5, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Opening Day

Off topic but- I just got 2 General Admission tickets to opening day!

I clicked “best available” for 2 seats and ended up with Stading room only. After fees they were $32 each.

Did anyone else hit up the 9am presale this morning? Were you able to get actual seats for opening day?

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by salukihoops on Mar 5, 2009 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

I'd rather offer $500k to Mark Mulder

and call it a day. Assuming, of course, his arm is attached. He’s gotta be better than this schmucks with or without his left arm.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 5, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

I meant the schmucks we have

not the guys you listed. I’d take Beimel and Ohman, too but I’m afraid either will cost more than $2 M.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 5, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm glad you expanded on that statement

but i’m still against bringing back Marky Mark. in any capacity.

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I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Mar 5, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

isn't that Pinata's job?

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by gdm426 on Mar 5, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

the better question might be am i sober

ahh the perks of unemployment

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by gdm426 on Mar 5, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

hah

you get sober to get inebriated! I think that’s how my years of 23-25 were

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 5, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not a bad idea

If we can’t get one of the 3 listed.

I saw some of his recent comments about how he felt bad the way the last couple years went and that they weren’t fair to the Cards. He indicated he wasn’t going to sign with anyone until he was sure he could actually contribute.

Now he’s not going to write a check refunding his contract, but I felt they were surprisingly honest comments and showed signs of really wanting to get better.

by birdo rojo on Mar 5, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, a 6 outfielder lineup!

Today vs. the Dominican Republic our batting order is:

Skip Schumaker 2b
Joe Mather 3b
Rick Ankiel dh
Ryan Ludwick rf
Chris Duncan 1b
Khalil Greene ss
Jon Jay lf
Jason LaRue c
Colby Rasmus cf

(From Rich Hummel, http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/commishs-hot-stove/commishs-hot-stove/2009/03/st-louis-st-louis-cardinals-wellemeyer-righthanded-relievers-to-face-dominicans/ )

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by Molina4MVP on Mar 5, 2009 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

7 outfielder lineup!

Schumaker, Mather, Ankiel, Ludwick, Duncan, Jay, Rasmus!!!!

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 5, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

The St. Louis Cardinals:

We’ve got a sh!t-ton of outfielders.

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by mattybobo on Mar 5, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

+1

honestly busted out laughing

Is it weird that I would rather the payroll be more like the Marlins than the Yankees?

by ForesterShane on Mar 6, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I am really excited.....

About having a healthy Duncan this year. He probably has the 2nd most natural power on the team, behind AP.

"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."

by SoonerfanTU on Mar 5, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Haven't seen ya around here in a while

How ya doin?

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by RunninRedbird on Mar 5, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Doing well.....

Been busy with work, and the usual GF-drama. lol

Excited about the season though.

"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."

by SoonerfanTU on Mar 5, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

How has Duncan looked playing first?

If he has played at first so far, that is. Any effects of the surgery on him at his “natural” position?

by saladdays on Mar 5, 2009 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

can duncan play third

we need the spezio role badly on this team

this is a joke

by VolsnCards5 on Mar 5, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't the giants need a power hitting lefty 3b?

Space.

It's a problem we face.

So we never go anywhere.

We just stay in one place.

by hazel on Mar 5, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

who doesn't?

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by gdm426 on Mar 5, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe lefty hitting

Righty throwing?

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by RunninRedbird on Mar 5, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Wallace did it for a year in college

And his team almost won the college world series.

Sign someone who can pitch, then let this team play.

by IL and StL Fan on Mar 5, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

he throws righty

not sure if thats what you are saying though

by VolsnCards5 on Mar 5, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Four have done it.

Of course TLR would have been involved in one of them.

link

by TNTinCO on Mar 6, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

there is only one

lefty throwing third basemen, according to baseball reference.

Milo Netzel

plenty of left handed hitting third basemen, however, for whoever else wondered. of course there’s wallace, as mentioned, as well as everyone on this list

as well as the switch hitters on this list

by adiueordie on Mar 6, 2009 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

ESPN Fantasy Rankings

I couldn’t get out of bed this morning so I watched some Mike & MIke which had the ESPN fantasy rankings running on the scroll. They definitely don’t think much of the Cards. Unless I missed something in my daze, Pujols was the only Card to be ranked in the top 20 of any position. He was first for 1B and Motte got listed as a rookie to watch. But no Wainwright, Ludwick, Glaus or anyone else.

by birdo rojo on Mar 5, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

they never think much of the cards

and are consistently proven wrong just about every year… when will they ever learn?

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 5, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure

wainwright is one of the top 20 fantasy SPs. He has a good shot at putting up better numbers, but his K rate is low for an ace, and I’m not sure he’s going to repeat a 3.20 ERA again. Pretty sure yahoo had him ranked in the late 20s. I’d have him about 20, perhaps. There’s a lot of good SPs out there.

Ludwick is definitely one of the top 20 fantasy OF and I think there’s a good argument that Glaus is close to being a top-20 3B even given the injury. Just depends whether he’s out for 1 month or 3.

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 5, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

when I had him on my fantasy team last year

I was in first place until he got hurt, then my team took a nose dive. I’ll probably try to get him again this year because he’s underrated and probably easy to get. I probably won’t get my last year rotation of Webb, Haren, Wainwright, Lohse, and Beckett again though, hah!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 5, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Bird Land today

Goold’s post is about the potential firstbasemen in our system. He slates Allen Craig as the prime candidate. Doesn’t even mention that guy we call Walrus. Boo Goold!

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by RunninRedbird on Mar 5, 2009 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

I "Boo" him

Just this once, because it’s obvious that Wallace is a better candidate for 1B long term than he would be for 3B. At least mentioning the guy’s name would have been nice. I like Goold, but I just think he should have given the Walrus some recognition here as a 1B candidate.

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by RunninRedbird on Mar 5, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

how is it obvious

as long as he isn’t terrible at the hot corner, he will be a superstar in terms of wins created(assuming his hitting comes along as most expect it to)

all he needs to be is below average….let’s not move him before we have too

by VolsnCards5 on Mar 5, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I just don't understand how people can

trash Allen Craig’s glove but then talk about Walrus staying at 3rd. It makes zero sense to me. Craig really gets underrated in our system.

Craig has been a -1 defensive player (in total) at 3rd according to TotalZone. The “bad glove” meme is one that gets perpetuated but doesn’t seem warranted, imo.

by azruavatar on Mar 5, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

That's because you're relying on an objective field metric

Not a subject scout’s eyes.

I agree with you, though, Az. The poor fielding label being slapped on Craig doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me.

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by bgh on Mar 5, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

the only thing i can think of is that people think that the level of defensive suck is comparable,

but that wallace will just make up more for it with his bat. but yes, the lack of support for craig in the media, in the clubhouse is surprising.

especially if you think that craig is superfluous — eventually you’d have to trade him, right? don’t you want people thinking he’s one of many great 3b options for st. louis, and not the guy who sucked too much to consider? the rush to put mather at third is a bit hard to take while craig is still there.

by tom s. on Mar 5, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree totally chuck

Ohman’s got to be the man. I also think we should pick him up now whilst a) he’s got some time to get accustomed to his teammates and get some innings in before the season and b) no-one else seems to be looking for LHRP – once two of these 3 get snapped up, the left over guy might become more expensive. Right now, it looks like we have them all over a barrel – there just aren’t three teams looking to give $2m+ to a LOOGY right now.

I think it’s even possible we could get one of these guys for $1m or so – a complete no-risk-all-reward pick-up. I’m quite high on Ostlund but he obviously has some longball problems so maybe it’s best to just go with a known quantity.

Another BIG reason IMO to like Ohman is as follows (and I think this is a quite important point) – he’s competent against righties.

Ohman gave up a .700 OPS against right handers last year, and pitched more innings to righties than he did to lefties. His career split is somewhat worse (about .750) but still not too bad – slightly better than league average. In contrast, Biemel also gave up a .700 OPS against righties in 2008, but for his career he’s a shabby .795 with a .367 OBP (and he’s not even been unlucky – his BABIP is actually lower for righties than for lefties). Reyes is worse, with a .802 OPS against in 2008 and a career figure of .810. He should really not face right handed hitters at all.

So, where am I going with this? Well – Ohman (and to a lesser extent Beimel) is competent against righties, so he’s OK to leave in for an inning with two lefties and one righty due up, or even to take some slightly lower-leverage innings with a more right-handed flavour. If we look at our current bullpen, we see a solid RH lineup of KMac, Motte, Perez, Franklin and probably Kinney, BUT if we move KMac to the rotation (if for any reason Carp doesn’t pan out) and if any of Motte, Kinney or Perez struggle (all of which is possible, given their limited experience and, in Kinney’s case, recent wildness and, in Motte’s case, lack of a 2nd pitch), all of a sudden it’s looking thin.

NONE of our current LHP are anything but LOOGYs. They’ll not eat a lot of bullpen innings. Also, if we go with our current five best right-handers, we don’t really have a longman (Franklin?). ALSO, we might lose one of our better RH guys to the rotation (KMac) or Memphis (if Kinney/Motte don’t pan out as expected) leaving Boggs and ? to eat up some innings. With our BRUTAL schedule and few days off, plus a few starters who might not go more than 6 innings even on a good day (Wellemeyer, Pinata, Carp?), we need someone to pitch some serious innings out of the pen on the left side. I’d feel much more confident leaving Ohman in for 1-2 full innings than I would giving the ball to Miller or any of the others – witness how Villone (despite being a reasonable LOOGY) was toasted last year by having to pitch too much to RHHs….

So, in summary, SIGN OHMAN. If we have a couple of mill left in the budget I think we give ourselves the best chance of making the playoffs in 2009 by getting him and, if possible, Grudz (still need a RHH to platoon at 2B) than by saving the money for some later acquisition.

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 5, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

adendum...

I should’ve mentioned Thompson in the mix for some low-leverage innings (not a bad thing) and I think Ohman’s career RH OPS against is actually slightly over league average, but still fairly competent.

Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.

by Felonius_Monk on Mar 5, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

i like that you're thinking about the performance of the pitchers against righties as well.

ohman does very well against lefties, and okay against righties. beimel does reasonably well against lefties and righties, except he walks a TON of righties. both of them have pitched a good number of total innings as well.

at this point, either could go for a mil or less. why not?

by tom s. on Mar 5, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

We should not sign another LOOGY but a Left Handed Reliver

60% of the time a LOOGY comes in he stays in more than one batter. You can only have one guy on a team that can be a LOOGY the other guy should be half way decent at getting out RH hitters.

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by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 5, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Revisionst History

God help me I did it again, that’s right my masochistic habit of reading Tony’s Mouthpiece Live. I had to see how he’d address the Skip situation given the dismissive nature of comments he’s made about the move. This is what he gave us.

I’m careful how to address the situation because so many in talk radio and chat boards have mischaracterized previous statements. I previously minimized the experiments chance for success because: 1.) Schumaker has only two months to become competent at a position he has never before played, and 2.) He does not retain options to further develop at the position in Memphis.
Suggestions that the ChatMeister is rooting against Schu’ in order to be proved right are absurd. There is no harder worker on the team. I do believe many overlook the difficulty of what he is attempting.

Poor Joe, having to be so careful with his words because people have “mischaracterized previous statements”. I hate it when people miscaracterize what I say, even if it is word for word. To be fair he did make those points in the earlier chat, he just put “Come on: This isn’t Glen Allen Pony League.” in between them and ended with slight to “Roto-minded folks”. At this rate, by opening day Strauss will be saying he was calling on the move to second for years now. You know just like all of those “Roto-minded folks”.

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by That's a Winner on Mar 5, 2009 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

I can barely stomach Strauss

He’s a hack of the worst kind. Well done to call him out on him flip flopping about Skippy at 2B and then trying to sell it as his position from the beginning. And he derided it in such a juvenile and condescending fashion. I am assuming that he was against it before he discovered that it was TLR’s idea and TLR believed in his brain that it would work.

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by bgh on Mar 5, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It must suck when people document what you say

and can refer back to it (like you did in your link) because it’s a lot harder to talk out of both sides of your mouth without coming off like a tool.

by azruavatar on Mar 5, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

A-Rod to Have Surgery To Remove Cyst; Out Until May

Link

Does this sound fishy to anyone? Not claiming that this is what it is, but I was reading a Men’s Health article on a writer who took steroids. He was a first timer and injected the steroids into his hip. He ended up doing it wrong and got a bubble of black puss under his skin. I wonder if that could lead to a cyst?

Sorry for showing my ignorance. Can anyone with medical knowledge tell me if this is possible?

by MattK on Mar 5, 2009 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

Could be wrong

But I’d imagine they’re talking about something like a labral cyst inside the hip, not anything on the surface.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 5, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

they are

from what i have read, it is a cyst in the labrum of the hip…sorry no link

by VolsnCards5 on Mar 5, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Further

Almost everyone has at least a few fatty tissue cysts, which can become bothersome depending on where they are. Obviously A-Rod’s situation is different.

by spants on Mar 5, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

My aunt had one removed.

It had hair and teeth in it. Blarg.

by spants on Mar 5, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

i have one right above my belt/waste line

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by gdm426 on Mar 6, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I KNOW!

She says it was her twin! So gross.

by spants on Mar 6, 2009 3:36 AM EST up reply actions  

no way

you’re making that up.

please tell me you’re making that up, and that i will never have teeth anywhere on my body besides my mouth.

by adiueordie on Mar 6, 2009 3:47 AM EST up reply actions  

It's all true.

Wikipedia proves it.
My mother is a doctor and my wife is a med student. I will never be grossed out by the human body, ever. It’s kind of weird.

by mattybobo on Mar 6, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I WISH

I was making it up.

by spants on Mar 6, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Or a demoid cyst

link

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by jd is legend on Mar 6, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

So the Yankees need a

3rd sacker? John Mozeiliak, come on down!!

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 5, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I think as someone mentioned earlier

that we should make offers to all 3 of these guys… they are all the same age, and seem to be about the same in abilities. it’s not looking like any of our lefties in the bullpen are going to be as good as these 3 guys, so why not sign one of them?

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 5, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

What if all three accept?

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by jd is legend on Mar 5, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

rock paper scissors

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by gdm426 on Mar 5, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

i havent been up on spring training so far this year

how is our new short stop doing?

any reports at all?

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by jealousblues on Mar 5, 2009 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

About as well as one could hope

Although it’s still very, very early in Spring Training, Greene has been hitting the ball about as well as any of us could have hoped, which is good. I think both the lack of media attention and getting off to a good start at the plate will help convince him that the change of scenery is working.

His line: 14 AB / .357 BA / .375 OBP / .429 SLG / 1 2B / 0 HR / 1 SO / 1 BB

As I keep telling myself, it is only a handful of at-bats.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 5, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Last year

Last year, Greene’s K% was 25, his highest since he was a rookie. 1 strikeout in 14 at-bats is about 7 percent. Now, his K rate will absolutely not be that low this year, but it’s heartening that he hasn’t gone up there hacking unabashedly. Hopefully Greene can bring that rate down to 20 or so. (CHONE thinks he can.) I’m optimistic.

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by bgh on Mar 5, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

+10000000

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by jealousblues on Mar 5, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Well this worries me...

From the article posted above….

“Wellemeyer will be followed, in no particular order, by Ryan Franklin, Josh Kinney, Jason Motte and Chris Perez. Only Franklin, who worked three stellar innings in his first outing, has been really impressive in that foursome.”

Franklin is the impressive one?

by sdrone on Mar 5, 2009 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

in his one outing......

plenty of time for that to change

by FunkeeC on Mar 5, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

they haven't been as impressive

as franklin was in that one outing

i think they have still impressed, just not as much

on a side note, i read the other day that mottes velocity was down…anybody know anything about that?

by VolsnCards5 on Mar 5, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

had to go and beat me to it , huh?

I need to learn that succinctness is my friend.

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

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**not that BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment, just BEN SHEETS!!!
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by mattyfrommo on Mar 5, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

yea that is what i figured

just wondering if there was anything more to it

by VolsnCards5 on Mar 5, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't know for sure

but it is early in spring training, I bet he just hasn’t gotten his arm in game form yet.
I wouldn’t worry about it, there is a reason why they say pitchers are usually 2 weeks behind hitters in spring training

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 5, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

OT: Watchmen

Is anyone else going to see Watchmen tomorrow? I have heard nothing but awesome things about it so far. I really don’t know that much about the plot which seems to be a good thing. I just got the Watchmen comic DVD though and not sure if should wait till after watching it on theater to watch it or not

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by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 5, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

I am getting very excited about it

I read the graphic novel over 5 years ago and don’t remember the story in much detail, so it should be a whole new experience with the movie. I’m at least as excited as I was for Batman last year, probably more. Dr. Manhattan looks amazing, saw Billy Crudup on Jimmy Fallon last night, boy does that guy look different than his Jesus’ Son days. I think maybe just wait to check out the story, otherwise it might confuse for seeing the movie, dunno.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 5, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

can't wait!

probably won’t be able to see the film until at least a few days after it comes out though

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 5, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Very excited

Even though I tend to agree with Alan Moore that the comic itself is “”http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/09/alan-moore-on-w.html" >unfilmable," I just don’t think that you can really compare a written medium to film. They are so different. This is especially so with an Alan Moore comic, IMO. I am very excited to see the film and will judge it on its merits as such. I think the costumes look great and the CGI looks wonderful. Visually, it looks like it is the right tone, a dark one. I’ll probably be there opening night.

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by bgh on Mar 5, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Heard only so-so reviews here

Apparently it’s even somewhat hard to follow with those who are familiar with the subject matter.

by saladdays on Mar 5, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I am utterly, utterly terrified to actually see it.

Watchmen is my very favourite comic ever published; the only serious challenges are the two great Batman graphic novels (Dark Knight Returns and Killing Joke), Seth’s It’s a Good Life if You Don’t Weaken, and Chris Ware’s Jimmy Corrigan, the Smartest Boy in the World.

I’m so afraid they’re going to eff it up. If it gets the Spider Man 3 treatment, I may turn into a supervillain myself.

Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who's the ace-est of them all?

by the red baron on Mar 5, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I hated all the Spidermans (Spidermen?)

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by jd is legend on Mar 5, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

were you a fan of the comics? or just thought they were too silly?

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 5, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Not much of a comic book guy

So when I tell people I thought they were cheesy, people say “that’s just how Spider-man comics are!” So maybe I just don’t get the movies, but they aren’t my cup of tea.

The Batman and X-Men movies….now those I love.

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by jd is legend on Mar 5, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The X-Men

movies are one of my favorite trilogies (behind star wars and the godfather), and some of my favorite movies, period.

by Toddius on Mar 5, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

You've seen the previews for Origins: Wolverine then haven't you?

It looks awesome. That and Terminator: Salvation are the two movies I’m really looking forward to so far this year.

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...

by RunninRedbird on Mar 5, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I was trying not to be for a while, but the Super Bowl ad was an eye-catch.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 5, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

i was till i heard they screwed up the story

i’m afraid they have to ruined it

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by gdm426 on Mar 5, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

knowing is half the battle

Too bad.

"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Mar 5, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i didn't know there was a story

i just like the toys and the destruction them and the teenage mutant ninja turtles did to my sister’s barbies…

by STLRegalia on Mar 5, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't know there was a GI Joe film....

But I just checked out the trailer on youtube! Looks good, but I’m too giddy about Salvation.

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...

by RunninRedbird on Mar 5, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

is that Jesus? Jesus Christ our Lord?

no dumbass, that’s just Rush

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by gdm426 on Mar 6, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

The 4th Terminator film. Terminator Salvation

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by RunninRedbird on Mar 6, 2009 7:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

I really want to see that. It looks really good.

by Toddius on Mar 5, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You like

the darker stuff, that’s all. You’ll probably like Watchmen.

by spants on Mar 5, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

even the 1st one?

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by gdm426 on Mar 5, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, not a fan

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by jd is legend on Mar 5, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought it was good, not great

but the last two were awful

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by gdm426 on Mar 5, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

My take was:

1 – Good
2 – Awesome!
3 – Eh…..

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...

by RunninRedbird on Mar 5, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Same here.

Except instead of “Eh” for 3 it was “Aw, fuck no.”

by spants on Mar 5, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Totally.

I know that Peter has his darker moments, but giving him the emo hair cut, eyeliner, and shyster dance moves? Way too much.

by spants on Mar 5, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

and the fact that venom was almost a slapstick cartoon

and the green goblin 2 was awfully done also

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by jealousblues on Mar 5, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Spiderman 2 & 3

were the most excited i’ve ever been to go to an opening day movie.

by STLRegalia on Mar 5, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm totally forgetting what #2 was about

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by gdm426 on Mar 5, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

it was a sickening joke

to us fans.

what a disgrace

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by jealousblues on Mar 5, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, horrible

Too much going on. The film very badly needed an editor. It’s like the production team forgot why Spiderman 2 was so good and just totally effed it all up.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Mar 5, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

i had heard Rami wanted to just do it with sandman

and the studio or Arad or someone basically told him to throw Venom in it…

so it he

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by jealousblues on Mar 6, 2009 3:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to wait until

Tuesday to see it with my husband. Ugh. Otherwise, I’d be there for the first matinee of the day.

by spants on Mar 5, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

You can get 2 tickets to see Watchmen for only $8 from Best Buy

They are running a promotion if you buy any Xbox Live product you get 2 free tickets to see Watchmen.

So you just purchase the

Microsoft – Xbox Live 1-Month Gold Subscription Card

than add the Watchmen Movie Pack to your Cart also and boom free 2 tickets to Watchmen for $8

Here is a list of theaters you can use the tickets at

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by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 5, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Well aren't

you full of useful information?

Unfortunately, it’s not useful for me as I don’t have an Xbox.

by spants on Mar 5, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I checked the theaters.

The only one near me is Galleria and you couldn’t pay me to see a movie there again. I saw Hellboy II there and the ushers did nothing when I pointed out that a young woman was talking on her cell phone, loudly, throughout the whole movie.

by spants on Mar 5, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

you should have dumped your nachos on her head

taken her phone out of her hand & dumped it in her drink. that would be the last time she talked loudly on her cellphone

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by gdm426 on Mar 5, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

you gotta remember to yell,

OH I’M SORRY!! AM I RUINING YOUR MOVIE GOING EXPERIENCE??
while you do it, otherwise she might not get it

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by gdm426 on Mar 6, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

11:59 tonight

I took off work tomorrow so I could go tonight. Commitment, folks.

by azruavatar on Mar 5, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

so, how was it?

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by gdm426 on Mar 6, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

i read the graphic novel and will see this movie reletively soon

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by jealousblues on Mar 5, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

and the winner is....

this has to be the longest non-baseball thread on this site ever.

i heard T.O. got released from the Cowboys. Wouldn’t he be an exciting 2nd base canidate?

Why don't we get glausy eyed and put back some franklin's....

by punksoulbrutha on Mar 5, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

he would

never slide head first in to first base.

by adiueordie on Mar 6, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm still rooting for Ostlund

Early showings aren’t very reassuring, though.

I’ve liked Reyes for a long time, he was always tough on lefties but didn’t start to shine until the Twins noticed and started using him more selectively. He had some knee problems two years ago that might account for that down season. I’d hate to see him used as Ron Villone was last year, though, and put together a mediocre season since his splits are fairly pronounced.

Of the three, if none of our current options shake the rust off in a hurry, I’d guess Ohman would be the best pick. Dude could conceivably close.

by liam on Mar 5, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

Get all three of them.

I know that I am dreaming. We threw 10 mil per year at fuentes. We could get all three of these guys for under 8 and we could probably get 2 of them for around 5 or 6. This is how we could turn this so called weakness into a strength.

If you watch baseball in October the teams have incredible bullpens. This is how we could jump on an opportunity in this down economy.

Come on Mo shut everybody up and sign some of these guys.

by sharpwp on Mar 5, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

yeah

I think that we still have a little bit of work to do on the bullpen, we’d have the best lefty bullpen evah. or just two of those guys, reyes and beimel or ohman

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 5, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Bill DeWitt Jr Quote from the Sporting News

SN: Fans don’t know how much …
BD: I live and die with team performance

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by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 5, 2009 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

Link?

Or is it on the printed page?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 5, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Print

They actually have another quick interview with McGwire too

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by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 5, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

Are you ready for Frost/McGwire? Dammit, we said no PED questions until the final segment! It’s in the contract!

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 5, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

define LOOGY

Lefty One Out GuY

A lefthanded relief pitcher who is usually brought in to face one lefthanded batter.

"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey.
The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary

by saveferris on Mar 5, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Those pieces give a great perspective on our bullpen status

After suffering through the Villone & Flores Shot of walks and getting hammered respectively, I can fully appreciate the sentiment that demands a LOOGY upgrade. I was thinking about that Fungoes post when reading the press release that Strauss wrote up for TLR and the P-D printed. However, I would put forth that a sub-$2M price tage does change the analysis for beloved Redbirds and the club should be sniffing around, seeing just how low one of the remaining palatable LOOGYs will go.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 5, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Gameday Audio

Anybody able to find a link to Gameday Audio for today’s DR game?

"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey.
The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary

by saveferris on Mar 5, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

It’s on KTRS, here:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mediacenter/
Down in the “exhibition” section.

by liam on Mar 5, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no links at 'exhibition'

I probably have a javascript problem or something…stinkin work computer!

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The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary

by saveferris on Mar 5, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks!

*Rasmus is to CF as Longoria is to 3B*

by Red Blazer on Mar 5, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think he was that bad last year

He was worth 3 Wins last year and posted a 8.6 UZR/150 at SS last year

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by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 5, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

see i thought he had a great half of a year

then a terrible one…

at least thats how i remember it

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by jealousblues on Mar 5, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess the stats

for this exhibition game aren’t compiled into the rest of the ST grapefruit game stats? Seems like they should be.

by phesto on Mar 5, 2009 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

Is there anything better

than spending a fine 70 degree March day out in the sun, enjoying a cold, frosty one, and listening to the Birds ? I think not.

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 5, 2009 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

Working from home today

But definitely enjoying having the windows open with a breeze blowing through.

by liam on Mar 5, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

goold liked a duncan-K.greene-duncan DP.

quiet game so far.

The DR’s lineup is sick even without A-rod.

by tom s. on Mar 5, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

Caught a pop-up. Edge of the grass, I think.

by liam on Mar 5, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

so he's putting all that infield practice to good use then

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by gdm426 on Mar 5, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

that'd be funny

if he has some sort of anti-hit force field that will keep him safe from having to field, and let Pujols and Kahlil G do the work

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 5, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

skip fields 2 ground balls in the 5th!

with no apparent problems. woohoo!

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by SleepyCA on Mar 5, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

very very good news

I still hadn’t really heard of him fielding much of anything!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 5, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

WBC Japan manager

I missed the beginning of the simile, but commentary was roughly “it would be like Tony LaRussa took some time off from the Cardinals to manage Team USA.”

For a second I thought he meant Ichiro was in the infield….

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by Yadi2Second on Mar 5, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Do you think Ichiro gives the same pregame speech

to Japan in the WBC that he gives the AL in the all-star game?

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by jd is legend on Mar 5, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

ok Ank

time to make marmalade out of marmol, or something. marmolize him

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 5, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

audio?

mine too.

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 5, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Mine stuttered a little bit, but it’s been running just fine all game aside from that.

by liam on Mar 5, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm still trying to decide if I want gameday audio like last year

or get the movie pictures treatment with MLBTV or even extra innings. my scheme is to use my bowling money winnings in April to pay for the extra innings.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 5, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I love it

My office is in a basement where I don’t get AM reception.

And I dig listening to the Spanish language broadcasts when we play teams that have ’em.

The fifteen bucks is a steal.

by liam on Mar 5, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Spanish language broadcasts

I love ‘em, particularly on HR calls. The Spanish call to Albert’s moonshot off of Lidge in the ’05 playoffs is great. I have to say that “GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAALLLLLLLLL” calls in soccer are better, though

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by jd is legend on Mar 5, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think so

I’ve always just had the radio feeds. Can’t afford to miss any classic Shannonisms.

by liam on Mar 5, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

EI won't let you down

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by gdm426 on Mar 5, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Of the LOOGys,

I like Ohman the best, simply because his splits aren’t quite so dramatic as the others. In order of preference, I ’d probably go Ohman, Beimel, Reyes, but any ot the three are probably okay.

And strangely enough, I would actually kind of enjoy seeing Pedro brought in to see if he could close for this team this year. I’m all in favour of just using Perez, but one year of an old dude with Perez and Motte setting him up actually wouldn’t upset me at all. Not sure why, exactly, but it wouldn’t.

Plus, I love Pedro. Always have. He may be done, I’m not sure, but if he isn’t too very expensive, it might at least be worth it to bring him in and see if he can make the transition. At the very least, it would be short-term, so I don’t see it locking us in for more than a single year.

Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who's the ace-est of them all?

by the red baron on Mar 5, 2009 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

No Wallace in St. Louis come March

Here are two paragraphs out of an article on the P-D website today.

Brett Wallace, the top draft pick from Arizona State who was deemed to have an outside shot at the third-base job wth Glaus out, basically has no chance right now, said La Russa. La Russa has made sparing use of Wallace in the spring games, saying other players in camp deserve the at-bats more than Wallace because Wallace does not figure in the club’s plans for 2009.

"That’s really unfair to him," said La Russa. "He doesn’t have a chance to make our club. He never had a chance to make our club as a third baseman."

Apparently, “Walrus” won’t be coming north with the big club. I thought this would be the case, I didn’t think it would come out as gospel truth, so to speak, until later in the spring. BTW, I assume in TLR’s quote, he means this season.

by stlfan on Mar 5, 2009 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

I see that Gameday doesn't have it anywhere near leaving the park

It shows the catch by Guillen in middle-depth right field. So either Gameday is off or Shannon’s already in midseason form with his home run calls for non-home-runs.

by BTown Birds fan on Mar 5, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn’t rely on gameday for anything other than outcomes for ST. The stringers aren’t putting all the data in.

by liam on Mar 5, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a LONG fly ball into left.

Get up baby!
And the third baseman ranges out to make the catch.

by TNTinCO on Mar 6, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

We loaned them 4 players for the game. Craig, Hoffpauir and a few others.

by paposse on Mar 5, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

so we can loan players but the Orioles can't?

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by gdm426 on Mar 5, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Pitchers

Well Tony wanted Baltimore to loan us a few pitchers. I can see how they would be tentative about that. This is just a chance for Tony working with Moises to give their guys a rest and get a few more of ours some AB.

by paposse on Mar 5, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe it was Mo who shot the Baltimore idea down, actually

So Mo was the one tentative

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by jd is legend on Mar 5, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Should have loaned them Albert for the game

Actually, he probably wouldn’t have played against the Cardinals “out of respect”

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by jd is legend on Mar 5, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

El Hombre

I wonder what dugout he’s sitting in.

Also, I wonder if it’s awkward for guys like Thurston, Craig, Hoffpauir sitting in that dugout next to Papi, Tejada, et all. And, do they get to keep their uniform so they can tell their grandkids someday they played for Team Dominicana.

by paposse on Mar 5, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

he's on the beach showing spring breakers how to hit a curve ball

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by gdm426 on Mar 5, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Albert

already said that he wouldn’t have played against the Cardinals either.

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 5, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

What do you guys think of this trade

With A-Rod out till May maybe we should trade Allen Craig to the Yankees? Obviously after a month they would no longer need him so having him with options would allow him to go to AAA afterwords.

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by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 5, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

Allen Craig

+ Bryan Anderson (to give them a young understudy to Posada) for Philip Hughes.

by indakind on Mar 5, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a big fan

of Allen Craig. I think he is very underrated by this organ-eye-zation. But I think that he will struggle to find a spot on our ML team…and I would like to have a young pitcher with Philip Hughes’ upside. I think that Anderson is becoming more expendable not because he has young catcher stagnation syndrome but because Steve Hill, Tony Cruz and others are becoming more legitimate C options.

by indakind on Mar 5, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd go for that.

I have a theory that Hughes’ unsightly major league numbers are explained simply by the fact that he hates the Yankees and wants them to fail.

by liam on Mar 5, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Move to the NL

I also think that Hughes would benefit form a move out of the AL East. Furthermore, I think his repertoire would go well with Duncan’s ptiching philosophy. Duncan has had good success with fastball-curveball pitchers…see Morris, Matt and Kile, Daryl.

by indakind on Mar 5, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Count me off the Hughes bandwagon

From Someone Who Knows Things (copyright Bill Simmons), Hughes curve just “pops” the instant he releases it.

Independently I believe it was Josh Kalk who said something along the lines that by PITCHf/x Hughes had the biggest “hump” between fb and cb.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 5, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

That is fixable

especially on a team that has Duncan, who worked with a number or curveballers, Wainwright and Carpenter.

by indakind on Mar 5, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

If Rodriguez is indeed sidelined, the Yankees’ leading internal candidate to replace him would be Cody Ransom.

Source

That’s incredible. Cody Ransom is 32 now. .236/.303/.415 ZiPS line. (Craig’s is .267/.315/.443 by comparison.)

by liam on Mar 5, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

At first when I read the name "Cody Ransom"

I though someone had completely butchered Colby Rasmus’ name, a la Jimmy Edwards

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by jd is legend on Mar 5, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice pitching today

DR’s first two batters reached and they scored a run. Only three hits and no walks since…

by indakind on Mar 5, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

agreed.

I’m encouraged by what Kinney been doing so far.

Motte’s gonna be a beast.

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by gocards62 on Mar 5, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh wow

I would have preferred Ohman or Beimel over him, but hey! Nice job Mo!

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by jd is legend on Mar 5, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

No kidding

Nice call on the topic today, too, Chuck!

by liam on Mar 5, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe i'm MO

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by gdm426 on Mar 5, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

No. I am the real Mo.

*Rasmus is to CF as Longoria is to 3B*

by Red Blazer on Mar 5, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

are you? are you really?

i don’t know what’s real anymore

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by gdm426 on Mar 5, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

reminds me of that St Patty's Day joke where you walk up to a lass & say


so, do you have a little Irish in you?
when she says no, you say

do you want some?

yes folks, i too can’t believe i’m still single

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by gdm426 on Mar 6, 2009 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

i ordered the green cards hat with the shamrock

on the back, planning to wear it on st paddys, as well as plenty of other times (i’m irish)…

and got an email from cards shop saying they’re out of it, no deal…

bastards…

by adiueordie on Mar 6, 2009 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Little

Irish? I believe that.

by spants on Mar 6, 2009 3:38 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

tim mckernan and i don’t appreciate that comment

by adiueordie on Mar 6, 2009 3:48 AM EST up reply actions  

ouch

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by gdm426 on Mar 6, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

if you were MO

we’d of signed Ben Sheets to a 20 year contract worth eleventy billion dollars by now.

by dcfcblues on Mar 5, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes i meant sing...or did I ?

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by Red Blazer on Mar 5, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah

That was just Mo messing with us so he could say told-you-so when Sheets’ medical problems came to light.

by mojowo11 on Mar 5, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

and sign him to a Carp like deal in June!

Genius!

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by gdm426 on Mar 6, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

tbh i think we should

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by jealousblues on Mar 6, 2009 3:11 AM EST up reply actions  

so

there was a little dry powder left afterall

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by sportsman on Mar 5, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

good job mo,

now we look to have a real solid left side of the pen

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by jealousblues on Mar 5, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohman

Maybe he’s not done…maybe he’s going after another one per the comment earlier???

by OldieWan on Mar 5, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Ex-Cubs Factor

must’ve scared Mo off.

Reyes is a good pitcher; I for one am glad to have him on the team, especially if the contract is for beans.

by liam on Mar 5, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

CARDS SIGN REYES

Scoop via Derek Goold’s twitter feed

www.salukihoops.com

by salukihoops on Mar 5, 2009 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

It looks like a bobcat

but why would anyone high-five a bobcat? :)

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 6, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

why would anyone not?

If a bobcat wanted to high-five me, I am not gonna be rude

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 6, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Shades of Rincon?

I hope Tony and Dunc call him up and tell him to take it easy and not pull a Rincon.(Did I spell that right?)

*Rasmus is to CF as Longoria is to 3B*

by Red Blazer on Mar 5, 2009 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

Pretty Sure

Rincon was already injured before the Classic. He definitely pitched like he was hurt.

by liam on Mar 5, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

How did I never hear about Gary Bennett pitching in ST??

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by jd is legend on Mar 5, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know when he got hurt but I remember he pitched for Mexico and by the time we got him he was done.

2006 Career Highlights: By Year: yyyy 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998 1997 1996 1995 1994 1993 1992 1991 1990
 

First season with the Cardinals amounted to just five games, as he underwent shoulder and elbow surgery on May 11 that ended his season…Had an arthroscopic repair of his left labrum and rotator cuff and arthroscopy of his left elbow with ulnar nerve transposition…The surgery was performed by Dr. George Paletta…Fanned six batters in his 3.1 IP, but also walked four…Made his final appearance on 4/18 at PIT, working a season-high 1.1 IP…Pitched for Team Mexico during the inaugural World Baseball Classic.

*Rasmus is to CF as Longoria is to 3B*

by Red Blazer on Mar 5, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

the scoop (off topic)

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/93685

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by sportsman on Mar 5, 2009 5:38 PM EST reply actions  

Adding a sports section really saved the Onion.

by liam on Mar 5, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

may have already been discussed

but was the pitching order for the game today predetermined? cause if it wasn’t then larussa may be tipping his hand by putting motte in the game in the ninth in a save situation

of course there is really no way of knowing if the game will saveable when the fifth comes(which is when he used perez)

anyways, getting an actual save can do nothing but boost the confidence of motte…actually our entire pitching staff did well against a pretty stacked lineup…i’m pleased

by VolsnCards5 on Mar 5, 2009 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

oh

I’m sure he’s trying to see if he’d rather use Motte or Perez as closer, or whoever

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 5, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

didn't he say something

to the tune of using Perez early so he could pitch against higher quality hitters?

by STLRegalia on Mar 5, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

That'd make a lot of sense

Still, the guys Motte was pitching to were not slouches.

by liam on Mar 5, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

when izzy was the de facto closer

he started games, to ensure he faced quality hitters. pitchers finishing games in spring training means absolutely nothing.

by adiueordie on Mar 6, 2009 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

depends on which numbers you refer to

ERA is not exactly a great predictor of future performance, which is what he care about regarding his future as a cardinal…

by FunkeeC on Mar 5, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

no not just ERA, pretty much all his #'s are just as good / better than the other two.

I would like to know why someone would rather have Beimel or Ohman? Other than them not being overweight.

by dcfcblues on Mar 5, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Their career ERA+'s are all around the same

Ohman and Beimel have a better WHIP
Ohman’s career FIP is better, but Beimel’s is worse
Ohman’s career K/BB is better, but Beimel’s is worse

Alot of people are probably high on Beimel because he had an outstanding year last year with ERA+. Ohman is the better player in every way, though

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by jd is legend on Mar 5, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Alot of Reyes's #'s are from before he was a lefty specialist

When the Twins turned him into one, his #‘s got drastically better. Besides, you can’t compare career #’s when Ohman is in his 4th full season and Reyes is in roughly his 10th.

by dcfcblues on Mar 5, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you Dennys Reyes?

Haha I keed I keed

Good point about the careers lengths. Still, I’d rather have the young guy.

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by jd is legend on Mar 5, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

and i wasn't trying to start a fight or anything :P

I just want people to recognize that the Cardinals made a good move this offseason….finally :)

by dcfcblues on Mar 5, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

khalil greene

that was a good low risk-high reward move

by VolsnCards5 on Mar 5, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

As was

not re-signing Mark Mulder.

by spants on Mar 5, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

releasing kennedy

not re-signing izzy, flores, villone, miles, izturis, (springer)
re-signing larue, lohse*
greene for worrel and ptbnl**
skip to second
mather to third

need a couple years to be sure on that one
*
depends on the ptbnl, but probably still good. something i didn’t realize until reading my maple street press earlier tonight at work is the cards’ franchise record for home runs by a shortstop is 16, by renteria. so here’s to khalil becoming the cardinals season home run leader at shortstop this year!

by adiueordie on Mar 6, 2009 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

*Rasmus is to CF as Longoria is to 3B*

by Red Blazer on Mar 5, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

True Sort Of

But it does say something that Reyes has had the Best ERA of any LH Reliever over the last 3 years though

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by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 5, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't like Reyes so much because I thought he was really old

I would’ve guessed he was 38 or 39, he’s been bouncing around for such a long time.

by mojowo11 on Mar 5, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

We should make Ankiel a lefty specialist

I mean he is left handed and can bat, not to mention he just runs back out to the field without having to take out RH pitcher if Rh pitcher plays outfield.
 Yeah it’s stupid but Just imagine in a perfect world.

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by codycod10 on Mar 5, 2009 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

Bobby Cox did that in a game last year

Forget who the players involved were

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by jd is legend on Mar 5, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Ken Dayley all over again

except Ank can hit a little bit better than Kenny

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 5, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

you know

ludwick, schumaker and ankiel all throw left handed. and could probably out-pitch randy flores.

"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd

by SleepyCA on Mar 5, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

shoe

is a righty, but i still have faith in him to outpitch either flores brother

by Glowsticks on Mar 5, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Schu could pitch lefty better than Flores

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by jd is legend on Mar 5, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

When did Skippy start throwing left handed?

did he start this when he was moved to 2B? If so, this story just keeps better and better!

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 5, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

doh!

"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd

by SleepyCA on Mar 5, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Shades of

Brooks Kieschnick.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 6, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

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