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Bill DeWitt considering changing uniforms

On KTRS last week, Bill DeWitt Jr. said the organization was kicking around the idea of replacing the 'CARDINALS' on the road uniforms and changing it to  'St. LOUIS' under the Birds on the Bats.

 

I'm kind of a sentimental guy when it comes to stuff like this, so it probably strikes my ire more than most.  The only reason teams generally change their uniforms is a) to create a pseudo new era that differentiates from an older one or, in most cases b) to make more money.  People by a grey Pujols jersey in 2004 and they have no need for a new one as long as he is with the team.  Change the uniform and they have to get the newest incarnation.

 

Now, as to the change itself.  The Birds on the Bat with Cardinals on it has appeared on the chest uninterupted since 1933, sans one season.  That season was 1956.  In 1956, the Cardinals unveiled a new uniform that featured only the Cardinals script across the chest with a 'Batting Bird' on the sleeve.

This uniform was so widely rejected that the man who designed it was fired and the Cardinals returned to tradition the next year.

There have been modest changes to the uniform over the years. 

  • 1951: Yellow bat added.
  • 1957: Piping removed from uniform
  • 1956: Red bill removed from blue hats.
  • 1962: Uniform number moved to front of uniform.
  • 1964: Red hat added to home uniform
  • 1965: Red hat used exclusively
  • 1971: Pullovers with red/white/blue sleeve stripes added
  • 1976: Pillbox hat.
  • 1976: Powder blue road uniform
  • 1979: Uniform number moved from front to sleeve
  • 1981: Uniform number moved back to front.
  • 1985: Grey road uniforms return.
  • 1992: Pullover uniforms replaced by button up uniforms.
  • 1992: Blue hat returns on the road.

 

That's it.  Sans adding the Sunday alternate hat, the uniforms have remained the same since 1992.  Not only that, but the chest wordmark has been the same (other than a tad modernization) since 1951.

Sixty years of tradition.  The Cardinals refuse to wear BP jerseys during spring training because of tradition.  They don't have a third uniform because of tradition.

I know to some, this will be exciting.  "Hey, NEW UNIFORM!" but for me, it's a bit sad.  Marketing is the only reason you do this.  The Cardinals already have the STL on the ballcap, it's not like people are confused as to where the team hails from.

 

I hope this doesn't happen.  In the case of someone like Baltimore, the city name returned to the chest where it had been prior to Peter Angelos buying the team.  This, however, would return the city name to the front of the uniform for the first time since 1933.

 

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bgh had this in a fanshot a while back

Just to get an idea of what it might look like.

I agree with you HC – I prefer the traditional look. This would take some getting used to.

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by Edbird on Mar 28, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that is one ass ugly uni

i vote no. don’t the Cards make enough cash? they don’t need to mess with tradition just to squeeze some more pennies out of the fans.

btw, where did you get all this uni knowledge HL? that’s some good stuff. thanks for dropping it on us.

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by gdm426 on Mar 28, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually like it, BUT

I don’t like it as much as what we already have.

On with the (good) youth movement!

by aet15 on Mar 29, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like it

Rogers Hornsby wore St. Louis on his chest. I don’t see any problem with honoring that tradition.

As for the money grubbing motivations, it’s not like anyone holds a gun to a fan’s head forcing him or her to buy the new jerseys. Changing uniforms every couple of years would be annoying. But, as you point out, we’ve had this one for a while.

Now’s as good a time as any.

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by Titus Pullo on Mar 29, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm fine with it, as long as the rest of the unis look like this:

powder blue anything would be a plus.

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by SleepyCA on Mar 28, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

that was abbott and costello’s stl wolves, when i linked it.

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by SleepyCA on Mar 29, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

here ya go

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 29, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I don’t like the number on the front either. But, I actually like the rest of the uniform.

For me, as long as the Birds on the Bats are on the front, and the hat has the StL…I’m open to just about anything.

by AirForceCardsFan on Mar 29, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

-1

Those looked like pajamas.

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by Alxfritz on Mar 29, 2009 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stick with what we have.

No need to change.

The Sky Blues were nice, but that era has ended.

And as far as BP jerseys are concerned . . . they USED to wear red jerseys at home during Spring Training games when they were in St. Pete. But that has fallen by the wayside. They also tried red jerseys during a regulation game back in the late ’90’s. Yeah, it was such an epic failure that it hasn’t been tried since, and I doubt if it ever gets the light of day ever again.

Do NOT mess with the uniforms. That is all.

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by Donut King on Mar 29, 2009 1:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see them

do away with the road cap and wear the red hats w/ gray unis. It looks damn sharp in spring training,

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by Alxfritz on Mar 29, 2009 2:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

I like the road navy hat, and don’t like the red hat over the gray. Not sure why, I just don’t like it.

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by jd is legend on Mar 29, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like the road blue too

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by gdm426 on Mar 29, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

never have been a fan of the navy road cap

The red cap is the finest in baseball

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by mattyfrommo on Mar 29, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I think the gray w/ red cap looks great.

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by RunninRedbird on Mar 29, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i love the red too

but i think the blue hat looks better with the away grays

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by gdm426 on Mar 29, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they're going with a gray road uni with STL on it

Then I’d like to see what a gray cap with a red bill and red lettering would look like with that uni. Similar to what the gray Royals cap looks like, only with red instead of blue…

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by fourstick on Mar 30, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the unis

Please no changes! Home whites, road grays, that is all any team needs. Not a fan of alternate uniforms. Period.

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 29, 2009 7:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know it's different,

but how do you feel about the Sunday alternate hats?

by spants on Mar 29, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alternate hats are fine

I just like having one home and one away uniform.

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 29, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

alyssa milano could make that look good

jake peavy, not so much.

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by SleepyCA on Mar 29, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too bad

Alyssa Milano is a Dodgers fan….

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by RunninRedbird on Mar 29, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

She is, but

her clothing line produces apparel for all thirty teams. For example

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 30, 2009 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, I see

I will say she does look best in Cardinal red, but then again so does everyone.

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by RunninRedbird on Mar 30, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So true.

Everyone looks better wearing Cardinal red. I have that shirt and I will say that it is one of my favorite Cards shirts. It’s not “authentic”, but I love the retro look of the birds on the black bat.

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 30, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Padres' hearts were in the right place,

wearing the camo to honor the troops, but those are some seriously ugly unis.

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 29, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's not "troop" camo

that’s deer-hunting camo. Just needs a fluorescent orange cap (with a stenciled P) to be fully accessorized.

- So, to ease his pain, you're supposed to take him to a ball game?
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by SleepyCA on Mar 29, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

about that being hunting camo, but wasn’t the reason the Padres wore those unis to honor the troops? I thought those were worn on days they had promotions honoring military families.

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 30, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big military population in San Diego

So, the Padres show their support by wearing jerseys and giving the families reduced ticket prices. I think it is admirable and more teams should emulate them.

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by bgh on Mar 30, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most teams

including the Cardinals, do. I used to get free seats from the ticket takers when I showed my military id. Of course, that was six years ago, I have no idea if they still do or not.

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by Alxfritz on Mar 30, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good to know

I’m glad to hear it.

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by bgh on Mar 30, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Freedom isn't free

LULZ

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.

by Gregatron on Apr 1, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

though i wear my 50"s white hat, red bull, red stl to all games

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by sportsman on Mar 31, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind the new uni

but I don’t want them changed either. If they do change it, I think that looks pretty good but I think they should keep them the way they are. The reason they’re contemplating changing them is to make money and I really think this would backfire from a PR perspective. There are too many “traditional” Cards fans and too many who already think DeWitt is cheap for them to get any sort of positive reaction from this change.

by chuckb on Mar 29, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

First of all,

don’t all MLB merchandise sales get divvied up between teams, regardless of whose merchandise is being sold the most? So, I’m not really sure how much a changed uni would benefit the Cards, especially in this economy. I won’t be rushing out to replace our jerseys and hats.

Second, I don’t really like the “St. Louis” on the bat. It reminds me of the Springfield Cardinals, which makes me think it looks amateurish. Now, I know that if you have to play for a team in the minors, you can’t really go wrong with Cardinals affiliates, but still. To choose this minor blip in the St. Louis Cardinals tradition would be silly. I’d much prefer to see them add an alternate uni that is based on a throwback uni like the Indians have done, rather than see the current uniforms messed with.

by spants on Mar 29, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if it's sold at the ballpark

the cardinals get all the proceeds. If it’s sold online or at the mall etc, it gets split up.

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by SleepyCA on Mar 29, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see.

Thanks.

That makes me even more curious though, especially since the Cardinals are expecting a down season in terms of attendance. This uniform change/addition/tweak is something they should’ve considered when business was booming.

by spants on Mar 29, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about if it's at an official cardinal store

in the mall?

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by Alxfritz on Mar 29, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally...

I think, if done properly, it could look OK. The Cardinals did have a uniform like this pre-Gas House Gang era. As long as the birds on the bat are still there and it looks good I would be for it. Just improve on the 1930 away jersey so it looks better.

by nmstar on Mar 29, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not a fan

To be honest, the uniform looks all right, at least from the artwork provided. However, the BoB as it is is just too perfect to change. That’s my opinion anyway.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Mar 29, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Thanks for bringing this up, HL. Those of us who don’t live in StL don’t always get to hear the local radio there.

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by TurdFerguson on Mar 30, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tails on the birds?

At a playoff game in San Diego a few years back, some guy told me that they alternate which bird’s tail is in-front-of and behind the bat, year to year. Anybody know if that’s true?

by bgodar on Mar 29, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not year-to-year

but they do switch it up sometimes.

Right side over:

Right side under:

There are other variations between these unis, but they are subtle. I wish the Cardinals would make the bat more golden and less yellow.

by spants on Mar 29, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow, albert looks young, there.

and ozzie looks old.

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by SleepyCA on Mar 30, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any idea if the tail switch is purely random

or do they make the change after on field accomplishments such as division championships, playoff appearances, or world series wins. Alternatively, might it be something non-baseball related such as which political party has the presidency or something of that nature (for the record I don’t know why this would be the case, but you never know). Changing a detail like that in a uniform seems pretty deliberate, and I would certainly be interested to know if it actually correlates to something tangible.

by MotherTruckinSteve on Mar 30, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

doesn't answer your question

But this link said the change was made in 98 as well as a few times in the 60’s and 70’s. So it doesn’t appear to be presidency based.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/061023

by outraged on Mar 30, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they changed it most recently when they added the alternate (Sunday) hat

Seems like about 10-12 years ago. They got rid of the “slugger bird” also, and the logo that DanUp uses as his avatar. They made the single bird on the bat, as shown on the Sunday hat, the primary logo. Going strictly by memory – I will try to look it up if I have time.

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by Edbird on Mar 30, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The "tail switch"

is not random, and it has been done infrequently over the years, usually as part of a broader uni change. The last big “birds on bat” and logo change occurred in 1998, when the birds became larger, the tails shifted their respective sides of the bat, and the “Cardinals” script became thicker. The logo was changed from the cartoon cardinal standing on a bat with his cap tilted to the side, within a baseball outline (used since 1966, when Busch II was completed) to a beefier, slightly more realistic cardinal sitting on a bat in profile. Prior to that ‘98 shift, the “birds on bat” style (as seen on Ozzie’s uni in spants’ post) had remained the same since ’66 also. From 1957 to 1965 the birds were in a more upright position and, again, the tails were on opposite sides of the bat from the ’66 Schoendienst-Whitey configuration.

1964:
http://www.hollywoodcollectibles.com/autographed/memorabilia/sports/collectibles/authentic/Baseball/8×10%20Photos/Bob_Gibson_Photo1_MID.jpg

1970s:
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/hofautographmaster/GibsonB.jpg

As far as the “St. Louis” on the road jerseys, that was pretty much par for the course in the pre-Gashouse Gang years. I don’t mind it. As far as I’m concerned, the most garish bastardization of our hallowed uniform happened in the late ’70s, when management followed the then-latest trend of the powder blue roads. They looked like the Expos. Or a girls softball team.

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by StLouisSwifties on Apr 8, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the look on Albert's jersey better

No reason

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by jd is legend on Mar 30, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The birds

have been streamlined a bit, and the lettering is slightly different. I just hate that crayon-yellow bat.

by spants on Mar 30, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Albert's birds

are bigger and plumper (and leaned over at more of an angle). Does Albert have slugger birds and Ozzie have Whiteyball birds?

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by lordsummer on Apr 1, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they are both the same

ALbert’s chest just makes it look that way

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by mattyfrommo on Apr 1, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is incorrect

the birds are different. The 1980’s birds are more similiar to the 1960’s birds. In the 00’s, the birds became Rawlings/Majestic’ized and made more cartoonish.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 1, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yellow-eyed

The birds were shifted from yellow-eyed to white-eyed. And the replica (non-authentic) unis for fan purchase look like a cartoon. It drives me nuts.

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by bgh on Apr 2, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't mess with tradition

If anything, bring back the 80s powder blues. I’d take those over the new proposed jerseys.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Mar 29, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

_1

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by sportsman on Mar 31, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

underscore 1

does that mean you really disagree?

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by mattyfrommo on Apr 1, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

but not all the time. Maybe drop the current sunday hat, and go with the retros on sundays.

by let'er rip skip on Apr 1, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baltimore road jersey

Angelos wasn’t the one to remove Baltimore from the road jersey’s. he just gets blamed for alot of what is wrong with the O’s, most of which is deserved. The O’s removed it in 1973 in hopes of expanding marketing to DC after the Senators left for Texas.

by ubeddie on Mar 29, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hmmm

but now there’s the Nats…..OOHHH YEAHHH!!!!!!

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by cardwash on Mar 29, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i've always liked...

… how some teams have their mascot on the home unis and their city on the away unis. that said, it’s never really been the Cards’ thing. i wouldn’t hate it, but i’m not going to lobby for it either.

by kindred on Mar 29, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tradition

There’s tradition and tradition. For the first nine years of the Cardinals’ franchise, they only had “St. Louis” on their unis, both home and away. In 1922, inspired by decorations at a wedding, Branch Ricket commissioned the now famous “birds on bat,” and, as HL noted, the bat and two redbirds has adorned the front of our uniforms every season but for 1956. “St. Louis” replaced “Cardinals” underneat the birds on bat from 1930 to 1932. The 1930 authentic throwback looks pretty sharp, in my opinion. Since 1932, only “Cardinals” has been on our uniforms.

If we adhered without waiver to tradition, the red “STL” cap would not have emerged. It’s worth noting that “El Birdos” wore red caps at home and on the road. I like the fact that the club has gone back to the red at home and navy on the road, a la 1964.

I suppose what I’m saying is that there is a historical precedent for the “St. Louis” road jerseys. I could go either way. I like the way that it looks, but I’m not advocating a change. I believe that the Cardinals have transcended putting their hometown on their away uniforms.

I do have a question, though. Why did we ever introduced yellow-beaked cardinals? I’ve never seen a real cardinal with anything but a red beak.

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by bgh on Mar 29, 2009 8:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yellow beak is for the beak to stand out and look good on a shirt, having a reddish beak (cuz the beak is a different shade of red than the feathers) with a red body doesn’t look too good and meshes badly.

The Cardinals are one of the most tradition-based franchises in the NL, and being one of the best teams ever in the NL with winning world series, we really don’t need to change our uniforms. I could understand selling a gray shirt with st louis on the chest, but i wouldn’t want the players to actually wear them, we’re all just too used to the birds on the bat to change it up.

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by cardwash on Mar 29, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are the greatest National League franchise

We are the second-greatest MLB franchise in terms of winning World Series, behind the Yankees. We have won ten championships, the Yankees have won 26, and the Athletics have won nine.

The road jersey would still have the birds on bat. It would just read “St. Louis” underneath of the bat. I just want to make sure that everyone realizes that they aren’t talking about removing the birds on bat from the away jerseys.

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by bgh on Mar 29, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cardinals have transcended

the need to broadcast where they hail from via their jerseys.

by spants on Mar 29, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

From above:

I believe that the Cardinals have transcended putting their hometown on their away uniforms.

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by bgh on Mar 29, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry.

I glossed right over that. :) I’m sleepy.

by spants on Mar 29, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by sportsman on Mar 31, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+2

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by Zubin on Apr 9, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This argument doesn't hold up

First of all, it ignores the St.L on the hats. So much for not identifying the home town.

Second, the Yankees are the team least in need of identifying their home town, yet there it is in block letters across their chests.

Point is: I don’t think there is any cachet in omitting the home town on the uni.

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by Titus Pullo on Apr 1, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't ignore the hats.

I was talking specifically about the jerseys. And yeah, another reason they don’t need it on their jerseys is because it’s on the hats. So, my argument that they’ve transcended the need to broadcast their hometown ON THEIR JERSEYS still holds up. They have.

The Yankees logo is NY. That is their logo, much like the StL on the Cardinals’ hats, except it’s their logo on their hats and home jerseys. The Cardinals have a logo that is made up of more than letters and fonts.

by spants on Apr 1, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kinda like it

And since it has been done before, it feels less like a drastic departure.

Looks pretty cool on the Diz. Just as long as there are birds on the bat, I’m okay with it. But I certainly won’t be upset if they don’t change anything either. :-)

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by iron duke75 on Mar 30, 2009 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Before the Cardinals were the Cardinals

According to my daily Cardinals calender, the Cardinals did not acquire the name “the Cardinals” until after 1900, and they were named by a sports reporter (William McHale). It makes sense, therefore, that the oldest Cardinals uniforms merely said “St. Louis” rather than “Cardinals” as the name was a latter development that presumably took a period of time to catch one.

Seems to me that this bolsters the argument that it honors tradition to have a uniform with St. Louis on it. Sure, there might be marketing benefits, but you can defend this on principle as well.

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by Titus Pullo on Apr 2, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cardinals

were called The Perfectos for one season. THAT is a uniform I’d like to see.

by spants on Apr 2, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I think it would be cool to see some really, really retro uniforms in the MLB sometime. I’m not saying wear long sleeve wool uniforms with huge collars, but trotting out some of those ancient team names would be cool. Perfectos, Spiders, Bees… Devil Rays.

by mattybobo on Apr 2, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here ya go

So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)

by Titus Pullo on Apr 3, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

Fleur de lis overkill, but I can live with that for a one-time throwback uni.

by spants on Apr 3, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that the fleur de lis is overkill, at least on the sleeve

But actually I kinda like it. Maybe make the one on the hat thinner or something, get rid of the sleeve patch. The StL in the baseball diamond is cool, I think.

by mattybobo on Apr 8, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It honors a point in history

it does not honor tradition. For 60 years+ they’ve had Cardinals across the chest. That’s tradition.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 5, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It could always be worse

This review of “ugliest” uniforms from the 1970s reminds us of how classy the National League Baseball Club known as the St. Louis Cardinals has been throughout its existence when it comes to uniform style. I particularly enjoy the all-maroon Phillies, all-orange Orioles, and the mix-and-match Pirates. Thank goodness, there were never all-red Cardinals uniforms.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 30, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Where was the player's union back then?

Honestly, some of those uniforms probably violate labor laws or something.

by mattybobo on Mar 30, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really like the thought

of the White Sox uni-shorts as a promotion for Beer League Softball Day at the ballpark. First 25,000 fans get a poster of the team in 1970’s era Majestic red short-shorts and the players auction off their shorts after the game for donations to testicular cancer research.

I’m kidding…mostly… :-D

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 30, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know that I agree with the Astros unis

as being some of the worst of that decade. Those are pretty iconic at this point. I know people that love that uniform.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 30, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The List

The order and some of the choices really surprised me. Especially those Astros unis. I agree, HL, that they shouldn’t be on that list.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 30, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What should, then?

Some teams would probably be repeat offenders. I think those Astros unis are terribly ugly.

by spants on Mar 30, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the least, the Astros' unis should have been low in the list

They’ve grown on me and I now view them as classic. Tough luck for the ’Stros that they got their name during this era.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 30, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least you can shorten it

to the name of a beer.

"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill

by lordsummer on Apr 1, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love those Astros unis

I also kinda liked those Braves unis

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by jd is legend on Mar 30, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't understand how anyone could like those old stros uni's

they are some of the ugliest uni’s evar

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by gdm426 on Mar 30, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its a retro thing.

I couldn’t pull it off, but I know quite a few people who like it, actually.

by Ray Lankford on Mar 31, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure...

…exactly nobody has any confusion as to where the Cards play home games. So, I think hardcore hits on the head with the “marketing” angle.

That being the case, why not just use both jerseys? Both “Cardinals” and “St. Louis”?

But, to be honest, a total switch to “St. Louis” wouldn’t really bother me. If they nixed the birds and the bat, that would be a different situation in my mind.

by Scarecrow7775 on Mar 31, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i vote no

Redbirds Fun
2006 WS for JB and DK57RIP: Josh Hancock

by cardsfan84 on Apr 5, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like..

The 1999 Bionic Birds used during the Turn Ahead the Clock Series..

Other fun designs from that promotion:



by KeepOnRolen on Apr 8, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If they want better looking unis, I have a simple suggestion

Just eliminate the long “pants.” Bring back the club house rule that had to show “three stripes” on their socks.

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by Zubin on Apr 9, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh my sweet jesus,

who cares? i mean, if this involved a complete change in design i’d be the first to bust open the doors of the front office, wielding torch and pitchfork. but let’s face it, we’re getting all worked up over a shift from “cardinals” to “st. louis”…shocking! i mean, how outlandish is it to feature the club’s hometown on the jersey?

and i agree with iron duke above, it looks GREAT on the diz.

let’s worry less about “st. louis” being displayed on the away unis and more about how these guys play in them.

"you know how you pitch mike schmidt? Hard fastballs inside, sliders down and away. you know how you pitch henry aaron? willie mays? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch willie stargell? hard stuff inside, soft away. you know how you pitch god? hard stuff inside, then down and away, and if you get it there you'll get him out. even though he'll know it's coming. or at least they say he knows." -jim lefebvre

by el_duderino on Apr 11, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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