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More newsworthy: pitchers hit second, Skip plays eighth base

Today's P-D is an important moment in the history of inexplicable Cardinals career shifts, as the Skip Schumaker Experiment gets another several column inches to its name. With no stats to look at and little chance to watch him, it's been tough to do much but wait and see if any shoes drop.

Each day that doesn't end with somebody saying "enough!' makes me more optimistic; to me the middle infield seems like a place where, in lieu of the understood "types", effective and ineffective, that managers like to defend on offense—the Slugger, the Speedy Disrupter, the Clutch Vet—there's been an honest attempt at figuring a minimum level of competence to work from. 

Players below that level tend to have an obvious mitigating factor—last year there's Jeff Kent and Luis Castillo at the end of the line, Kelly Johnson and Alexei Ramirez with abnormal offensive profiles—or are themselves former defensive whizzes, like Orlando Hudson. The stats just haven't been out long enough for managers to spend time willfully contradicting them. "He's unselfish; you can count on Skip to play team defense, even if it means his own UZR goes down"—that sort of thing is a decade away, at least.

With that in mind, if Schumaker is a second baseman by, say, May, I'll assume he's at this hypothetical line, -5 or -10 runs, and stop worrying about it until there's something substantial to look at. If he's average, which Hummel suggests as the Cardinals' internal target, it'll be a pleasant surprise for all parties concerned. 

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The other recent Hummel article, headlined unhelpfully as "La Russa rethinking lineup strategy", sounded more like a refinement of the pitchers hit eighth policy than a serious shake-up. 

"My prejudice is to (hit the pitcher eighth) every day," said La Russa. "But what started my thinking (not to do it) is when Glaus comes back. Glaus, Molina, (Skip Schumaker) against a righthanded pitcher, whatever you do in the outfield - Ludwick, Ankiel and Duncan - who's the ninth-place hitter there? There isn't any."

It's refreshing to hear things like this from La Russa, whose strangest weakness as an innovator is his tendency to move from strategy toward dogma after coming up with novel approaches to baseball problems. Where the pitcher hits is a marginal move compared to situational relievers, which ossified into the one-inning closer, and the need to pitch to contact, which eventually alienated Anthony Reyes, but here La Russa seems to reiterate the original idea—the elusive Second Lead-Off Man—and not the facile result, which is that the pitcher bats in a weird place.

In 2008 he actually did a pretty good job of hewing to the underlying concept, given the personnel at his disposal—Cesar Izturis and Brendan Ryan, who got 114 of the starts in the nine hole, at least look like second lead-off men; if they had any value as offensive players, it would have been distributed in a way that got them on base for the meat of the order.

That said, even La Russa acknowledges that most of the rethinking, or reform, is pragmatically driven; with shortstop filled by Khalil Greene, who is to clean-up hitters as Izturis and Ryan were to lead-off men, there's just not going to be a spot in the lineup for that sort of thing when Duncan starts.

Which is not to say that there's no room for ideological change—it it'll probably be for the best if this means that noted speed merchant Jason LaRue's six starts in the spot come elsewhere. 

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Kyle Lohse gets the start today against Boston. Did they ever end up playing those World Series games against the Red Sox? I remember a great NLCS, and then, well, it's all a bit of a blur. 

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Mitigating optimism

One of the things I hate about watching baseball on TV is that I don’t get an opportunity to watch the fielders set up as the pitcher is winding towards home. On a LaRussa club especially, since the defense sets up late as the ball is coming home so as to not tip off the hitter where the pitch might be. I feel like I’d have a lot better idea about how Schumaker is adjusting to second base if I could see his pre-pitch setups and the jump he gets on the ball off of the bat. Is he getting a great jump on balls to his left or right? Does he take two steps towards the bag on a foul ball down the third base line with a runner on first base? These are all things that a veteran of the position would do instinctively, so if he’s picking them up by watching someone like Thurston or Hoffpauir it’s that much the better for him.

All in all, I’m optimistic that he can be coached up enough to get the club through the first 6-7 innings most games, with a plus defender like Ryan taking over for the last couple of innings as a defensive replacement. I just hope that his bat doesn’t drop off a degree to where the experiment wasn’t worth having in the first place…

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 27, 2009 8:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

skip fan

disappointed to see he has no infielder quickness. first step is the same as his basestealing quickness, not there. sad he’s been put in this position, and i’m pulling for him, but the abilities he lacks can’t be taught.
impression so far defensively is, he’s standing in an on deck circle, with two inches of mud on top. once he gets rolling and out of the imaginary circle, he’s fine. the ball skip made a diving play on recently, is just a backhand for a ryan type defender with plus first step quickness and range. hang tough skip.

by ball in play on Mar 27, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

and, as of yet, he does not get a good jump, which is why fielding percentage is not a key metric for him. he simply does not cover much ground. jumps should improve with experience, but less so for quickness

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Mar 27, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2004 World Series

As a Cardinal fan in exile in Massachusetts, I can attest that the Red Sox were awarded their 2004 World Series rings after defeating the Yankees in the ALCS. They did stage a few games for that Jimmy Fallon movie though…

by Yellow Dog on Mar 27, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A pox on that piece of crap movie

I’ll never watch it, just on general principle.

"A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann

by Futility Infielder on Mar 27, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My wife made me watch it

She couldn’t understand why I thought it was a piece of crap (even above general chic flick crap). I did get revenge a couple of years later though as she is a lifelong Tigers fan.

by birdo rojo on Mar 27, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shitty remake....

But the original was great…I highly recommend it.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 27, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As was the book

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by Alxfritz on Mar 27, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's similar to

Nick Hornby’s “High Fidelity” in that they changed the entire premise and theme of the film by moving it to the U.S.

High Fidelity is a much, MUCH better movie than Fever Pitch, so don’t confuse that.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 27, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never read or saw About A Boy

Did they do the same?

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by Alxfritz on Mar 27, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

About A Boy is set in London in both versions

the movie version is actually very good.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Mar 27, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

High Fidelity is

an incredible movie. I loved the book, too, but didn’t mind that they Americanized the movie. Cusack was perfect for that role – lovable loser grapples with life. Good stuff.

by Toddius on Mar 27, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

for better or for worse that’s pretty much the movie that got Jack Black’s stardom going. Great movie.

by mattybobo on Mar 27, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perfectly cast

I love that one.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 27, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool

My best friend from high school is an actor and has been in some cool stuff. He was in the movie Ghost Town, has been on a couple episodes of Law and Order and in a bunch of plays and stuff.

by Toddius on Mar 27, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't care about the movie...

but I am partial to the song “Tessie” by Dropkick Murphys

by saladdays on Mar 27, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2004

I watched maybe 7 innings of the whole Series in 2004.

I didn’t want to ruin my high from being at Game 7 of the 2004 NLCS.

In my mind, the Cards went out on top in 2004.

by thepainguy on Mar 27, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen to that...

Although the Sox catching fire is pretty similar to what happened with the Cardinals in 2006, so I don’t feel all that bad about it — they just got hot at the right time.

I still think that if the Cards were able to eke out Game 1 in Boston in ’04 we might have had a shot at winning that series.

That said, the 2004 NLCS and the 2006 NLCS were probably the two best postseason series that I can remember as a Cardinal fan. Full of drama against teams I absolutely loathe with the Cardinals coming out on top.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 27, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

i am a big believer that a game one winner makes it go to a 6 if not 7 game series

"When the boogie man goes to sleep he checks his closet for Chuck Norris"

by elirock83 on Mar 27, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mark f-ing Belhorn

Not sure if I’m angrier at him or the Pesky Pole for ruining that year of my life. Game 1 was the series.

by Cardaholic on Mar 27, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting that SKip already accepts

that there will probably be a defensive substitution at the end of games.

That’s good, since he plays for TLR. Maybe bad for Rasmus, though. Dunno.

by sdrone on Mar 27, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah, just like Super Bowl XXXVI, they never got around to the 04 Series

Just as Super Bowl XXXVI was never played for some reason, possibly 9/11, the powers that be decided the NLCS and ALCS were already so compelling that there was no need for a series that year.

by bailorg on Mar 27, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

all-time franchise out-of-position team

this is just a beginner list --

lf - albt pujols
cf - rick ankiel
rf - jose oquendo
3b - joe torre
ss - aaron miles, mike tyson
2b - skip schumaker
1b - ????
c -- ted simmons (joke)
p -- bob forsch, woody williams, jason motte

by lboros on Mar 27, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Adam Kennedy at 1B?

"A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann

by Futility Infielder on Mar 27, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oquendo or miles pitching. kennedy in rf. molina at 1b

by Birds on the Matt on Mar 27, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nm.

you’re thinking more permanent sustained playing time.

by Birds on the Matt on Mar 27, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, i'm thinking about

situations where they actually tried to force guys into a position on an ongoing basis, rather than just a one-game emergency.

by lboros on Mar 27, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tino Martinez

Oh wait…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 27, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a little slow this morning.

Why are Forsch and Williams (or Motte, for that matter) on this list? Granted, they may have started as position players, but you’re suggesting they should not have become pitchers?

However, for 1B I’d suggest Jim Edmonds.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 27, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they're the only guys i could think of

off the top of my head who started their pro careers as position players but ended up getting switched to pitcher. obviously there aren’t any cases of that happening at the big-league level; we only have examples of one-inning emergency pitchers (oquendo, bonilla, spiezio, miles, etc) but nobody who they actually tried to make into a pitcher permanently.

i suppose i could name stan musial on this list -- he started out as a pitcher, right?

by lboros on Mar 27, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Musial started as a pitcher, didn't he?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 27, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know some fella named "Ruth" was a pitcher

too bad he never wore Birds on the Bat. Didn’t they try Pedro Guererro (spelling?) at 1B?…..

by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Mar 27, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension

by sportsman on Mar 27, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Todd Zeile at 1B.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 27, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to suggest Zeile

Great to see that you are still keeping a watchful eye, LB. Loved the Maple Street Press annual.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 27, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks BGH, glad you liked the mag

i have been so busy w/ work i haven’t been able to comment on the blog much. but the season’s getting close, and i have a little breathing room on my desk

by lboros on Mar 27, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MSP was fantastic

I got it and read through the all of it on a road trip last weekend.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 27, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with bgh

The Cardinals Annual from MSP was very solid. Nice range of articles and a good selection of writers. Hope it is selling well so that it will be the first of many more years of Cardinals Annuals.

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 27, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you're talking good players

(since Albert started in left, heh) I’d point out that Edmonds played a few games at 1b.

by sdrone on Mar 27, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah shit

Read through the replies before duplicating one, idiot!

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by jd is legend on Mar 27, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The funny thing is...

that with the exception of Miles and Skippy (and since he’s a “work in progress”, I’ll cut the Skipster some slack), none of these guys were all that bad in those positions! Torre simply played everybody “in”, knocked down whatever he could reach, and threw ’em out!

First base contenders — Matty Alou and Gregg Jefferies; Alou was really an outfielder, and Jefferies was a DH…

Seems like nobody gets “converted” to catcher; “emergency” backstops would include Mike Shannon, Oquendo, and John Mabry (did he ever get into a game behind the plate?)

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Mar 27, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mabry never caught

but he did pitch two games: cumulative line of 1 inning, 6 hits, 4 walks, 7 runs

http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mabryjo01.shtml

by lboros on Mar 27, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice work

On the five questions at HT. I really like the work that Danup, chuckb, et al have done since you left but I miss your perspective.

by indakind on Mar 27, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One note I forgot...

Mike Tyson named his son “Torre”, after Joe… Torre Tyson played baseball for Mizzou from ’95 though ’98.

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Mar 27, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Torre at 3B

Some have called it one of the worst defensive season in baseball’s history.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 27, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never thought of Torre being THAT bad

Can you cite who does? His range was below average and 1st base was a better fit, but those two years at 3rd don’t look that bad by the numbers. Joe Torre’s Baseball-Reference page

It’s anecdotal, I know, and I was just a kid, but I saw him play at third about 15 times and I just don’t recall him looking historically bad.

And of course there always Butch Hobson 1978 to fall back on.

by random on Mar 27, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who's the new guy?

Jim Edmonds played some 1B, IIRC

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by jd is legend on Mar 27, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

his avatar won't stop staring into my soul

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I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Mar 27, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eli Marrerro at C?

Though I guess he more came up as a catcher, couldn’t hold at the position until the cards went out and got Matheny, if I remember correctly.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Mar 27, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THT Five Questions: St. Louis Cardinals

The NL Central must be this week. Here’s their Cardinals post. Amongst the questions, “Will Kahlil Greene bounce back?”; “Will closer by committee work?”; “Will Chris Carpenter stay healthy?”; “How many runs will the defense surrender?” Definitely worth the read.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 27, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I re-read it and noticed the author

It’s LB, which is why the piece is so insightful and uses Wellemeyer’s propery Kentuckian title.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 27, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Such modesty, LB

Not even a shameless plug! Not that he needs to pad his resume around here.

by mattybobo on Mar 27, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LB

Does he write anywhere regularly? It was great reading his thoughts again.

by blehmann on Mar 27, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I quibble with only one thing...
He’s (Carpenter) the best Cardinals pitcher since Bob Gibson.

I don’t think that’s true. He’s pitched three very good seasons for the Cardinals, 2004, 2005, and 2006, winning the Cy Young in 2005.

You could make the argument that Matt Morris was just as good from 2001 to 2003 and that John Tudor was better from 1984 to 1986, which includes that sick 1985 season:

21-8, 10 Shut Outs, 275 Innings, 1.93 ERA, 0.938 WHIP.

Tudor’s ’85 and ’86 seasons were both better than any single season that Carpenter has put up.

Stretching it a bit, Bob Tewksbury was just as good from 1990-1993, a four year span when the Cardinals weren’t very good as a team.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 27, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What were league average ERA and WHIP during those times?

Shouldn’t that be brought into discussion too?

by saladdays on Mar 27, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I based my arguments on ERA+

which is adjusted for that. You can contrast and compare them at www.baseball-reference.com

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 27, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i loved tudor

and you could certainly make a case for him. i think my favorite tudor game ever was game 6 of the 1987 NLCS, an elimination game which he and the Cardinals won 1-0 over dave dravecky. won the pennant the next night.

but i don’t think he was a more talented pitcher. he had one great pitch, a changeup, and he had unbelievable control/command and a willingness to pitch inside. my own opinion is that carp has a broader array of weapons.

by lboros on Mar 27, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re ERA+, by the way

i’m not sure i agree w/ your read on it. carpenter had ERA+ in the 140s in 2005 and 2006; tudor only bested that once (1985). and he was far more reliant on his defense than carpenter.

by lboros on Mar 27, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flip side of the coin

NL batters in 1985 hit .252/.319/.374 (OPS of .692, which is Adam Kennedy-esque) with 1,472 HR and 7,899 runs scored. In 2005, NL batsmen put up a line of .262/.330/.414 (OPS of .744) with 2,580 HR and 11,535 runs scored.

I understand that all of these are pieces to a puzzle and that ERA+ is probably better for comparison’s sake, but I still find the lack sub-.700 OPS for the NL interesting. The last time that happened was 1992.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 27, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, I'll write this a second time

since apparently the site didn’t like it the first time. In 1985, there were only 12 NL teams, as opposed to the 16 in 2005, so the HR and runs scored numbers are inflated.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 27, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct

You posted it before I had the chance to.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 27, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dumb mistake

What a horrible oversight by me. We can quickly recitfy it, though. In 1985, NL clubs scored 658.25 per team on average. In 2005, they scored 769 per team on average. In 1985, the average HR by an NL club was 122.67 and in 2005 it was 172. As the OPS differences would suggest, there was more offensive production in 2005.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 27, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I could see from the numbers that the 2005 stats were greater than a 25% increase, just didn’t want to get out my calculator.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 27, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or actually

a 33% increase.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 27, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All right

I have no problems then. ;)

by saladdays on Mar 27, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i couldn't pick just one

I really like tudor so i am a lil biased. I just couldn’t say with out a doubt “a” is better than “b.” I will say if carp could but himself up there before he is done. I really hope one Adam Wainwright is in the discusion to before its all said in done.

"When the boogie man goes to sleep he checks his closet for Chuck Norris"

by elirock83 on Mar 27, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I just thought that was an interesting comment to make, considering that he’s only thrown three good seasons for the Cardinals. There have been a good number of pitchers to throw that many good innings for the Cards since Gibson.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 27, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't looked at his stats

but what about Carlton’s years for the Cards?

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 27, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carlton wasn't a great pitcher

until he left St. Louis. His years in the BotB were pretty mediocre actually. Also, he doesn’t qualify as “post-Gibson” because he was on the squad with Gibson at the start of his career.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 27, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I went over to B-Ref right after I posted to check.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 27, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although

his ‘69 numbers were pretty darn good. And isn’t that the year they lowered the mound after Gibby’s and McLain’s monster ’68 years?

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 27, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Tudor was

my kind of pitcher. Especially on the original RBI baseball.

by Toddius on Mar 27, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

loves the rbi baseball

"When the boogie man goes to sleep he checks his closet for Chuck Norris"

by elirock83 on Mar 27, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heck yes

Cox is pretty good as well when you get used to him

by mattybobo on Mar 27, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tewk had a fairly high hits to innings ratio

but that’s because he HATED walking people. Only 20 (TWENTY) BBs in two straight seasons is pretty impressive.

by the Tewk on Mar 27, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Skip at 2B a longterm solution.....

Is this year goes well?

Meaning, does that lock Skip into 2B for the next few seasons? His defense would continue to get better each year, in theory.

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by SoonerfanTU on Mar 27, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The jury is still out

I believe, and I think you’ll agree, that if Skip is being penciled in at 2B in June of 2009, then he will be penciled in at 2B for 2010 and 2011 as well.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

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by bgh on Mar 27, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the problem is, he's 29

so he’s going to have the aging curve working against his base skill improvement, soon.

Best bet is to get shane robinson to take some ground balls this spring ;)

- So, to ease his pain, you're supposed to take him to a ball game?
- Yes.

by SleepyCA on Mar 27, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

And this opens up a whole discussion on why it is that second basemen tend to fall off a cliff at Age 32 or so. Will Skip follow that trend since he has only played OF in his professional career? Even so, having a 2B under relatively controlled cost for the next couple of years would be nice (I’m unsure of when Skip will be FA eligible). You look at the potential cost savings at 2B, possibly 3B, Duncan, Rasmus, and Ludwick and we ought to be able to re-sign Pujols.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

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by bgh on Mar 27, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shane Robinson

taking ground balls. Now that is a good idea.

by ridgesee on Mar 27, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yadi as possible 2nd leadoff?

his OBPs the last two years were .340 and .349 – not too far below skip’s. he can’t run, obviously, but neither could wade boggs. i will now stop comparing the hitting profiles of yadier molina and wade boggs.

Look, I don't ask for much. All I want from the 2009 season is for Carp and Adam to combine for 420 IP and go 1-2 in the Cy Young voting, and for Albert to win the MVP again. Oh, and for the Cubs to never win another World Series as long as I live. I really don't think that is too much to ask.

by nycbirdo on Mar 27, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I like Yadi

better in an RBI position like 7th or 8th. Despite his relatively modest RBI totals, he has been very good in high leverage/RISP situaations throughout his careeer.

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by giveml on Mar 27, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the other hand

He might hit into fewer double plays batting 9th, assuming our pitchers could bunt runners over in front of him.

Counting the days 'till the first pitch.

by IL and StL Fan on Mar 27, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something not discussed

What if Skip stops hitting? He’s already one dimensional as far as platoon splits. But at what point is Skip worth playing 2B offensively? We are basing his ability on 700 ABs vs RHP. A .280 average and a .700 OPS? If he’s just getting on base, while not really hitting for any power, is he worth the defensive liability at 2B?

Just interesting to think about.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 27, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's an important question

since the underlying assumption is that Skip’s offense is somewhat mediocre for an OF (not sure about that statistically), but good for a 2B. If Skip regresses offensively it kinda screws with the entire idea. His wOBA projections all hover around .330 for 2009 (OPS’s of about .730 to about .760). That strikes me as good for a 2B. I don’t really know how platoon splits figure into that stuff though.

by mattybobo on Mar 27, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's really it

The club is banking on his offense being a net plus in runs versus his defense. If his offense doesn’t lift him into the category of an above average offensive second baseman, then his defense will be too much of a liability to play him at second, especially with our pitch-to-contact, induce grounders staff.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 27, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really, it's kind of a good

thing that Skip can’t hit lefties. Between days off against LHPs, plus the many times he’ll exit 2B after the 6th inning, his defensive innings will be reduced, and the damage to the team thereby reduced.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 27, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he really does get days off vs. LHPs

he had almost 600 PAs last year including over 130 against LHPs.

If he puts up the same offensive numbers as last year he will likely be about a 2 win downgrade over last year’s production at 2B. If he can manage to be league average on defense he will be only a one win downgrade.

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by giveml on Mar 27, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

does that factor in the upgrade in the OF

by being able to have one of Duncan/Rasmus out there?

by STLRegalia on Mar 27, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

just the difference at 2B. Duncan has never been more than a 2 WAR player in his career and Skip was 2.4 win player last year in spite of having to play CF too much to suit his limited OF skills. He was a UZR 7.7 LF with a UZR/150 of 27. Duncan will have to have his finest season, and the RH-hitting LF will have to do well also, for LF to be any better than last year.

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by giveml on Mar 27, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Today's game

is not off to a good start. Lohse walked two and committed an error in the first inning. On a positive (and on topic) note, Skip participated in a double play. 2-0 Boston.

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 27, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmph

I sure hope the Lohse we signed for the next four years is the Lohse of 2008, not the Lohse who (almost) couldn’t get a contract last spring…

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by jd is legend on Mar 27, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deep Freese

2-1

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by jd is legend on Mar 27, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Go Freese

Let’s hope Freese is finding his groove. We may need him longer than we thought…

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by NoSteroidsHere on Mar 27, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm getting the feeling Glaus will be in injury purgetory for a while

not really getting better, for each step forward there is a setback.

by TheBirds on Mar 27, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like Mulder

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by jd is legend on Mar 27, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We knew this would be the case...

when we first got him for Rolen. I think we just got spoiled last year. Glaus and Rolen are damaged goods. Extremely talented, but damaged none the less.

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by NoSteroidsHere on Mar 27, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We got 1 year out of him

he’s not coming back next season so, spending $12 M to watch David Freese play 3B isn’t the worst thing in the world.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 27, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The cool thing is,

we’re looking at minimal cost for pretty good (and potentially great, if Wallace sticks at the hot corner) 3B production for years to come after Glaus is gone.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 27, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am excited...

to see what Wallace does this season at AAA, and what Freese can do, hopefully at the ML level…

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by NoSteroidsHere on Mar 27, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's nice to be confident in both our depth and talent at 3B

It was beginning to seem like our entire farm was outfielders and righty relievers. And let’s not forget Allen (Allan? Alan?) Craig, even if the org seems to not think much of him.

by mattybobo on Mar 27, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a difference a year makes, eh?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Mar 27, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

plus

Freese was kind of a steal… so that will lighten the load if Glaus is going to be out longer

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 27, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deep Freese

I’m really pulling for David to make the team out of camp and get the majority of the starts at 3B until Santa Glaus returns. The Cards need to take a hard look at Freese this season (before we let Glaus walk) to try and get a read on whether or not he can be an everyday major leaguer.

by jjray on Mar 27, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Freese is an easy guy to root for

He seems capable and if not this year he gets into the scary AAAA player status, which I don’t wish on anyone.

by TheBirds on Mar 27, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top of the 6th

Anyone know how the top of the sixth went? Gameday shows that Khalil (btw, what’s the official pronunciation of his first name? I only hear it spoken by Mike Shannon, which is not a good basis…) hit a two out single for an out. ??? “Khalil Greene singles on a fly ball to left fielder Chris Carter. Chris Duncan scores. Ryan Ludwick to 2nd. Two out.” and then it lists the bottom of the 7th.

by blehmann on Mar 27, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3 runs scored

Dunc, Ludwick, and Greene each with an RBI.

by TheBirds on Mar 27, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes but

… did Molina get the third out, or was there some baserunning out or something?

by blehmann on Mar 27, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nm

Gameday is updated now. Molina flied out to center to end the inning.

by blehmann on Mar 27, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What site are you able to get Gameday?

I can’t seem to find it on the Cards website…

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by NoSteroidsHere on Mar 27, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

on this one.

check out liam’s fanpost.

Look, I don't ask for much. All I want from the 2009 season is for Carp and Adam to combine for 420 IP and go 1-2 in the Cy Young voting, and for Albert to win the MVP again. Oh, and for the Cubs to never win another World Series as long as I live. I really don't think that is too much to ask.

by nycbirdo on Mar 27, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*fanshot, rather

Look, I don't ask for much. All I want from the 2009 season is for Carp and Adam to combine for 420 IP and go 1-2 in the Cy Young voting, and for Albert to win the MVP again. Oh, and for the Cubs to never win another World Series as long as I live. I really don't think that is too much to ask.

by nycbirdo on Mar 27, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

Have many other games this ST been on Gameday and no one knows about it?

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by NoSteroidsHere on Mar 27, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All of them

They’ve all been on Gameday. For some reason, mlb doesn’t publicize them.

by blehmann on Mar 27, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's just ridiculous

Why wouldn’t MLB want to promote its sport? when more people follow spring training (because they can) they will follow their team closer in the regular season.

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by NoSteroidsHere on Mar 27, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

It is ridiculous. They obviously have the people at the games to track all the info. The only info not accurate is pitch counts, but that could be easily rectified. Instead, they publicize the “live box scores” which are lame by comparison.

I’m just happy folks like liam have cracked the code.

by blehmann on Mar 27, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I've wondered about it as well

Maybe they’re using it just to iron out the kinks, do some test runs… you know, kinda like… Spring Training!
It’s sort of lame that they don’t bother to link to it. Maybe it’s to maximize gameday audio subscriptions or something?

by mattybobo on Mar 27, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or so that they're not liable for wrong information

if they really are just irnoing out kinks, I can see why they wouldn’t want the general public linking to it off of the mlb site.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Mar 27, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think...

… Shannon’s been pronouncing it something like “Kah-heel”. Which I didn’t think could be right.

by blehmann on Mar 27, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

some people have mentioned on here that he cannot pronounce the name correctly

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 27, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And not just

Khalil, but some others, as well. He’s carrying on the Harry Caray tradition

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 27, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know...

… I’ve had a renewed appreciation for him after listening to other cities’ broadcasts. Man, some of those old ballplayers are just horrible. Ron Santo sticks out in my mind, and also Larry Bowa. Fine players, but they are so painful to listen to. St. Louis, be ever thankful for Mike Shannon.

by blehmann on Mar 27, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

Santo is really really bad, almost comedically bad, but unfortunately, not that bad

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 27, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why I use Firefox...

with AdBlock Plus. perfect for times like these…

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by NoSteroidsHere on Mar 27, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Firefox question

any time I click on a link to a .pdf file from a Firefox session it hangs. Any suggestions?

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Mar 27, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More info

What version of Firefox do you use? What version of Adobe Reader do you have? Does it hang longer than if you use IE or Firefox in IE tab? It could have to do with either an older version of the software, or your hardware as it would seem it is taking your computer a while to load the adobe reader to read a pdf in browser. Try making sure you have the latest of each.

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by NoSteroidsHere on Mar 27, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Versions

are FF 3.0.7 for XP and Acrobat 8.1.2. It hangs permanently – it’s not just slow. No similar problem with IE.

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by giveml on Mar 27, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting...

I’ve never had this issue, but try upgrading you adobe reader. I believe to current version is at least 9 and can be found at http://get.adobe.com/reader/. I am also using FF 3. but it is still in the beta stages. Odd that you would get this issue with FF and not IE as IE tends to be a major memory hog, causing things to lag more than FF.

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by NoSteroidsHere on Mar 27, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Firefox rarely opens a pdf

properly. There are some add-ons that make it a tad more functional. Always select the ‘open as HTML’ option.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 27, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never have any problems with it

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by jd is legend on Mar 27, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My gameday was frozen

for awhile. Now it appears to be up-to-date and the Cards are ahead, thanks to a 4 run ninth.

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 27, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shane Robinson

have anything to do with it?

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Mar 27, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pinch ran

stole second and went to third on wild pitch

by STLRegalia on Mar 27, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sigh

i really hope a cult following isn’t developing.

do we have to love every undersized scrappy player?

by TheBirds on Mar 27, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

but only because I’m undersized

by STLRegalia on Mar 27, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must be mean spirited

I’ve always disliked miles too.

by TheBirds on Mar 27, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

but Robinson is fast. St Louis has a speed fetish to go along with a grit fetish.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Mar 27, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

but every game this week, Shane Robinson has come in late in a ballgame and scored a run. It’s unreal.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 27, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

same thing happened to me, I just figured they lost! awesome

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 27, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

they did lose, thanks to not using motte

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 27, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't mean

to lead anyone astray w/ my tidbit of info. My gameday stalled again at the bottom of the ninth. So I got to keep my warm-fuzzy-Cards-are-winning feelings for a few moments longer. Before gameday caught up again and reality squashed my warm fuzzies. :(

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 27, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh

no worries, it’s just spring training :)

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 27, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really can't think of anything worse

than having my warm fuzzies squashed.

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by giveml on Mar 27, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mura for the save?

Wouldn’t this have been a good time to bring in Motte? I realize we didn’t kow there would be a bottom of the ninth when Perez came in to pitch, but what about our other closer candidates??

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by NoSteroidsHere on Mar 27, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am

NOT enjoying this mini losing streak. Oh well, better to get it over with in ST.

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 27, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather they win

but it seems like these games are being decided by guys who aren’t going to be on the team, so I don’t really care.

hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit

by Alxfritz on Mar 27, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

to quote “major league”: who are DESE $%^##$% guys?!?

Look, I don't ask for much. All I want from the 2009 season is for Carp and Adam to combine for 420 IP and go 1-2 in the Cy Young voting, and for Albert to win the MVP again. Oh, and for the Cubs to never win another World Series as long as I live. I really don't think that is too much to ask.

by nycbirdo on Mar 27, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fun fact

That line was said by Janitor from Scrubs

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by jd is legend on Mar 27, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point, Alxfritz

Thanks, that made me feel better. I guess I am putting too much stock into last spring when the boys roared out of spring training on a winning tear and carried it over into the best April W-L record in club history.

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 27, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

crap

so the regular season doesn’t start until April 6th… why did I think it started earlier, hmm

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 27, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ring accepted Memphis assignment

Per RotoWorld on the left side. Don’t know if this is good or bad, but there is some loogy depth at memphis in case Miller breaks down.

by ubeddie on Mar 27, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this scary thing is, he can be

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Mar 27, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You sure about that?

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by jd is legend on Mar 28, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you mean like walking 4 guys every 9 innings, posting a 50 ERA+, an 8.46 ERA?

cause that’s what he did last year.

flores walked more guys but had a better ERA+ and a better ERA last year.

by tom s. on Mar 28, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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