KhalilBot's Player To Be Named Later
Has been named today:
The Cardinals winced Monday morning. The San Diego Padres have acquired pitching prospect Luke Gregerson as the player to be named in the Dec. 4 deal that brought the Redbirds shortstop Khalil Greene.
The selection is hardly a throwaway. Gregerson, 24, impressed manager Tony La Russa and pitching coach Dave Duncan during a couple late-inning appearances in Grapefruit League games. Duncan, who typically holds young arms to a high standard, mentioned Gregerson on multiple occasions as someone he would like to see again. Gregerson possesses above-average command of a sinking fastball. He had made the Florida State League All-Star Game and Texas League All-Star Game in his two full professional seasons. Gregerson last season allowed RH hitters a .202 average and six extra-base hits in 217 plate appearances with 59 strikeouts against only 11 walks.
So, in essence, with Mark Worrell's arm getting the best of him in the end (rather than the Cardinal organization's master plot to drag him down in life), we get Khalil Greene straight up for Luke Gregerson. Good job, Mo.
Win, win, win.
And no way does San Diego ever trade with the Cardinals again. You would have thought they'd have learned after that whole SS-for-SS swap.
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I can live with that
Especially if we’re seeing the real Khalil Thabit Greene this spring.
by mojowo11 on Mar 23, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the trade for Edmonds...
That one worked out much better for the Cards, too.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 23, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Worked out nicely for the Cubs, too, unfortunately
by mojowo11 on Mar 23, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then there was that Woody...
Williams fellow.
Sometimes I wonder,
"Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"
...and then it hits me!!
by cardzfanbub on Mar 23, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't ron gant end up with SD, too?
And being even worse for then than for us?
Though I think that was a FA thing.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Mar 23, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea...
but they can’t blame us for that.
Sometimes I wonder,
"Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"
...and then it hits me!!
by cardzfanbub on Mar 24, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He will be missed but I saw this coming
Luke Gregerson is who I predicted would be traded last Friday so not that big of a surprise to me.
I think it will be a C prospect with some upside
Jay is a B prospect at least. Maybe someone like Luke Gregerson. I think it will be a RHP
I think we can all agree now that I posses insider knowledge and from this point on would prefer to be called MidWestBirdWatcher.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 23, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
To be MWBW
you will have to work on your prose style.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Mar 23, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And by "work on" he means "let it devolve"
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by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually had
a “death spiral” in mind.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Mar 24, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe that's why gregerson wasn't given an NRI -- I'd be very curious to see who
the other two candidates were. I can definitely see mo trying to hide the best player of the three in ST. “look at this shiny scherer i have here for you. pay no attention to the gregerson behind the curtain.”
by tom s. on Mar 23, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why the Pads would consider this bad
They dumped $6.5M of salary off their books for 2009, which was their whole intent. The fact they even got a usable player back is gravy for them.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Mar 23, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's why it's
win, win, win.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on Mar 23, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless, say, you live in san diego and like baseball.
by tom s. on Mar 23, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one in SD likes the home team
They are all implants.
by Evilfrog on Mar 23, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
i think the padres knew getting anyone in return for greene would of been good since their park isn’t where a power hitting SS can hit. If greene played for the Reds or Phillies i’d expect him to belt 30 homers every year, regardless if his OBP is .305 Its a salary dump for them and the chance to fill the spot with a defensive-minded prospect that’ll hit for average instead of power, which is what their park is designed for.
Cardwash Definition: Birds on the Nat.
by cardwash on Mar 23, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Threadjack
Hey Alxfritz, are you going to plan VEB day 2.0? I’m planning a trip to St. Louis for a game this summer, and would be interested in scheduling it that weekend. Let me know what’s up.
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Mr Redbird @ Viva El Birdos
PowerOfDixieland @ Track Em Tigers, other SEC blogs
by jd is legend on Mar 23, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure
I’ll put a fanpost up this week so we can vote on weekends.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on Mar 23, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am still trying to get people to go August 15th Weekend
Cause that is the weekend I can get all those free hotel rooms for everyone.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 24, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I already got the hotel for the 15th and tickets to the game already.
by madeintaiwan on Mar 26, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Erm...
Isn’t it a little too early to judge just how great a trade it was? OMG, Greene had a good 3 weeks of ST, best trade ever.
Seriously, let’s wait a couple years to judge. And hope the guy we gave up isn’t an all star and Greene isn’t out of baseball (which is unlikely as Izturis keeps getting jobs, and Greene’s no worse than him)
Felipe Lopez - next year's Joel Pineiro (on another team, thank you Mo!)
by DiscoJer on Mar 23, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When we talk about new trades we are crazy
When we talk about old trades like Mulder/Haren we are beating a dead horse.
Some people like to make quick judgments for the sake of having something to talk about, and it really doesn’t bother me that much.
by TheBirds on Mar 23, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not really fair to judge trades in hindsight.
We have a reasonable idea what Greene should do based on statistical projections. The front office augments that with their scouting reports. We should expect Greene to be around a league average player that we acquired for two minor league relievers. Both Worrell and Gregerson have the potential to be good middle relievers but their stuff doesn’t profile as more than marginal setup men.
There’s a few mitigating circumstances: Worrell and Gregerson are free for 6 years while we got 1 year of Greene; the Cardinals are trading from a surplus. That said, this is the kind of trade I’d like to see the Cardinals be more aggressive about moving players from RH relief and the outfield to acquire players where they need an upgrade. If Greene fails miserably this year, I’m not sure we can call this a bad trade because we don’t have the benefit of knowing that will happen.
by azruavatar on Mar 23, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Greene plays at his loswest projection this year
I don’t see how this isn’t a win at best and a push a worst for the Cards.
We traded two perhaps B relief prospects (one of whom will miss a lot of time due to injury; which, honestly sucks for him and the Pads) from a pool we have depth at for an actual major leaguer. The losses we incurred can be made up for in the draft or on the market pretty damn easily. You can’t draft a MLB ready SS like Kahili Greene, but you can draft equals to Mark Worrell and Luke Gregerson.
Besides: One Robot > Two humans.
hecanthithecanthithecanthithecanthit
by Alxfritz on Mar 23, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's not counting how much potential Greene has.
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
by Taskmaster on Mar 24, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, if he's a khalilbot
does that mean he can, you know, switch arms or something? That could have a lot of potential. I wish Mark Mulder came with that ability.
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill
by lordsummer on Mar 26, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what will it take for greene to be a type A???
assuming he does that, the birds should be able to get 2 players at least as good as the ones they gave up, and focus them in an area of need.
Is it weird that I would rather the payroll be more like the Marlins than the Yankees?
by ForesterShane on Mar 24, 2009 2:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
snice it takes his last two seasons in account...
Im thinking something like a 1.300+ OPS
by Evilfrog on Mar 24, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a quick look to BR
tells me that only 2 players have ever had a season with an OPS of 1.300 or higher. Bonds and Ruth.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/OPS_season.shtml
Interesting notes:
-the top 12 consists of 3 players
-Rogers Hornsby had a hell of a season in 1925
-Jeff Bagwell in the top 20???
-Pujols’s best ranks 73rd, but he has 3 in the top 100 (73,84,90) including two of his last three years.
"Statistics mean nothing to the individual"
"You are what you eat and you clearly went out and devoured a big fat guy"
by jacksonian on Mar 24, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering
the sort of numbers he would likely have to put up to become a Type A (see above), if Khalil ends up an A after this season, you probably have to pony up and resign the guy.
Then again, a shortstop with a 1.300 OPS might be out of the Cards’ price range.
Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who's the ace-est of them all?
by the red baron on Mar 24, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering how weak the market is for SS in FA
We better resign him.
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
by Taskmaster on Mar 24, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs


















