Chris Perez - Fastball Release Points
Not too long ago, Chuck took a look at something I did on Chris Perez over at Beyond the Boxscore. You can find Chuck's post here, along with links to a couple things at BtB. This about sums it up:
There’s clearly a difference between how Perez performed when there was less than 2 inches difference between his fastball delivery and his slider delivery and when there were 2 or more inches difference between the 2 deliveries.....When he was more consistent w/ his 2 release points, he was much better
By "better", Chuck meant this
| ERA | H/9 | HR/9 | BB/9 | K/9 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| less than 2 inches difference | 2.38 | 6.35 | 0.79 | 4.76 | 9.53 |
| 2 or more inches difference | 5.21 | 9.00 | 1.42 | 5.68 | 9.95 |
This raised a bunch of questions, and this is just a look at a couple of them, posed in the comments by fourstick:
whether there’s a difference in velocity between the overhand fastball he throws to righties and the 3/4 fastball he throws to lefties.
whether that velocity is offset by better overall movement.
more effective pitcher throwing 93-94 from 3/4 with good movement than throwing 96-97 from over the top with less movement, especially considering that the arm slot would be the same as his slider.
I could think of two ways to approach the questions, in terms of splitting the data into groups, at the most basic level.
- lefty/right split (ignore arm angle)
- arm angle split (ignore batter hand)
Getting the first one out of the way, I'm seeing no real difference between fastballs to lefties and righties for Perez, on any PITCHf/x dimension. For this bit, I only used his home games.
Clockwise from the top left, that's speed at release (55 ft. from home), lateral "spin movement" in inches (negative is to the catcher's left), release point - feet from the middle of the rubber, then bottom-right is release point height, also in feet, vertical spin movement and finally speed at home plate.
The rest of this is going to focus on one thing - movement, but also release point/angle. And plate location. So three things. But in one picture.
Here are two versions of that one picture. Confused yet? I'll explain.
Starting from the beginning ... I took all of Perez's PITCHf/x data, and found the average release points for every game he appeared in. I did not include curveballs, since he throws those more over the top.
Once I had the average point for each game (yes, this is a crude approach, it gets cruder) I categorized each pitch as a "high", "middle" or "low" release. The first pass took anything that was above average on both x0 and z0 and called it a high, pitches that were both below were low and the rest middle. The second (better) pass only took pitches outside of 1 SD in both dimensions.
The first pass, shown in the top flight path, treats a lot of potential low angle pitches as middle. The second pass may still not be alright, but I'm not going through every game visually (thank you PERL + MySQL).
No matter how I sliced it, by batter hand or by either release point split, the fastball was always a shade over 96 mph. It does not appear that Perez loses or gains any velocity when he changes his arm angle.
Movement, that's another story. There is a difference - maybe a half inch of tail and as much as an inch and a half of sink. The dropping of the arm does change the spin axis enough to make a difference, but I really think the biggest impact is not the spin, but the initial trajectory and the resulting plate location.
Here are plate locations by release point group (High is blue, Low is red). Same deal as before, first pass and second pass.
Even though the data took us away from fourstick's original questions - the speed difference wasn't there - there clearly is a big difference when Perez drops his arm on the fastball. The good news is, most of those are against lefties, otherwise he'd be filling up the trainer's room.
Using the second pass, since the groups are more distinct, small sample sizes and everything, here's more than you need to know* about High Middle Low and Chris Perez. I so totally lied when I said this would only be about 1 2 3 things.
*that's another lie. There's more.
| Slot | # | mph | pfx_x | pfx_z | deg | rpm |
| High | 67 | 96.2 | -6.9 | 9.2 | 216.8 | 1,577.5 |
| Middle | 383 | 96.4 | -7.3 | 8.4 | 220.9 | 1,523.0 |
| Low | 51 | 96.1 | -7.4 | 7.8 | 223.2 | 1,480.3 |
You could argue - maybe - there's a slight loss of velocity when he's out of slot high or low.
Outcomes. Since you may not be familiar with my schtick, here are some quick definitions. Quick if read by the guy from the old Fed Ex ads.
Swing = swings/pitches; Whiff = misses/swings; B:CS is as called by the ump on takes only; IWZ is pitches in the "wide zone" - a full two feet wide and within the average Gameday operator set values for each hitter aggregated across all pitches seen by that hitter; Chase is Swing rate again, but out of the wide zone; Watch is take rate (1 - swing rate) in the zone; nkSLG is total bases on balls fair in play divided by balls fair in play; TBP is total bases divided by all pitches.
| # | Swing | Whiff | B:CS | IWZ | Chase | Watch | nkSLG | TBP | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| High | 67 | 0.433 | 0.241 | 1.5 | 0.657 | 0.130 | 0.409 | 0.556 | 0.075 |
| Low | 51 | 0.392 | 0.400 | 5.2 | 0.471 | 0.185 | 0.375 | 0.000 | 0.000 |
| Mid | 383 | 0.423 | 0.211 | 1.9 | 0.564 | 0.156 | 0.370 | 0.647 | 0.086 |
First and foremost, no one has a hit off the low arm slot fastballs. The drop-off in swing rate isn't that bad - just 2 less swings over 50 pitches - despite the failure to hit the zone. I wonder, when he drops down, if hitters think "slider" and then the ball comes out 96 mph tailing and sinking. So, while this may have gone away from the notion of speed vs. movement, I remind you of one of the comments by fourstick about the low arm slot possibly being to Perez's advantage:
especially considering that the arm slot would be the same as his slider.
The data is hanging out waiting to be asked more questions. Fire away.
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This was a good read. That whiff rate on his low arm slot is ridiculous. I have noticed some other pitchers, Scot Shields for example, who tend to drop there arm slots occasionally as well. It would be interesting to see whether a lower arm slot tends to lead to a higher whiff rate.
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It doesn't.
At least not in the case of show-me pitches. Someone at THT looked at this.
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We just stay in one place.
Haha once again
another post way over my head. clearly a lot of work was put into this post and it’s exciting to see how much the low arm slot does for Perez’s effectiveness (dominance?) – but there has to be a reason he doesn’t regularly throw from that slot. Control out of that slot has to be a problem.
The IWZ indicates how much lower his lateral accuracy is out of that slot (.471Low to .564Mid and .657High). Hopefully this low slot is the slot Dunc has been having Perez work on this spring, because (though I realize the sample size I’m basing this on is small) I can totally live with Perez not giving up a hit this year.
ps – feel free to shoot me down on my interpretations of these numbers.
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by RunninRedbird on Mar 3, 2009 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
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I wonder if Chris would be…
a) amused
b) terrified
c) both
… that you have analyzed the slot position of his throw so carefully.
d) impressed
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dropping down
with the same pitch (FB) seems to turn it into an out pitch. Very cool. But I read something about Duncan harping on Perez to throw all his pitches from the same slot. I hope Duncan is not messing with Perez FB from a different slot but, rather, is trying to get Perez to throw his curve and slider from the high arm slot. Finally, if Perez consistently throws his FB from two different slots, is it that big of a deal where he throws the slider from (assuming the slider still comes out at roughly the same alternate slot as the FB)?
Awesome work Harry
Looking at the data, it seems to me like he locates better when throwing from the high arm slot, but players swing and miss a lot more from the low arm slot. I think that your conclusion about that is solid: Since that’s where his slider comes from most of the time, I would believe that hitters get fooled a lot more by that fastball. One way to find out would be to track pitch-by-pitch to see whether a slider is thrown before or after that fastball and see what the whiff and B:CS rates are for those pitches. We’d obviously be dealing with a small, small sample size, so I’m not sure if anything is going to be conclusive, but you did ask for more questions, so there you go!
Another thing I found interesting is the take rate for pitches from the high arm slot, especially since more of them seem to be strikes. If they’re the same speed and they don’t move as much, why are hitters taking 40% of those pitches? When they swing they whiff a little more than half the time, but that’s a better percentage than from any other arm angle. Does he hide the ball better from there, giving the illusion that he ball is getting to the plate quicker? Does he throw a disproportionate amount of those pitches early in the count when hitters are seeing him for the first time?
All in all, this analysis fascinates me, even though we really haven’t drawn definitive conclusions from it. I wonder if Duncan would change his mind about Perez keeping the ball down if he would see how successful Perez is when he throws from the lower arm slot to the upper part of the zone?
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Pretty Typical
“Looking at the data, it seems to me like he locates better when throwing from the high arm slot, but players swing and miss a lot more from the low arm slot.”
This is pretty standard.
The more you drop your arm slot, the more movement (tail) your ball is going to tend to have. The more you raise you arm slot, the more your ball is going to flatten out (or sink).
Tail can be great, but in many cases it can take years for a pitcher to learn how to harness it.
Until then, they’re just wild horizontally.
Depends on how "high" we're talkin
Having to clear out the head can just as easily contribute to wildness as unpredictable tail IMO.
Not afraid to nitpick
Absolutely
The higher the arm slot, the greater the likelihood of head jerk related control problems.
Think Hideki Okajima.
FTR, Okajima's BB Numbers have been fine
He was significantly above average in 2007 and league average in 2008. Violently jerking your head isn’t something anyone should teach, but it’s worked for him. He’s the only one in the league who does it to that extreme anyway.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Mar 4, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that this is typical for all pitchers...
but that doesn’t explain why hitters take that pitch more, especially when it’s thrown for strikes more often. It’s not thrown any harder than his other arm angles, but they take it more often. That just seems weird to me. You’d think that hitters would sit on this pitch more because they know it’s going to be near the zone.
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Interesting stuff Harry, thanks
At this rate Beyond the Boxscore and Viva El Birdos will merge into one collective consciousness. This makes sense; BTB, by nature of its mission to provide objective baseball truth, is forced over and over again to assert the absolute superiority of one Albert Pujols, which we here at VEB take as a given.
So, um… Perez drops the angle to strike dudes out? Did I get that part correct? With the >2 inch difference data showing inferior overall stats (except higher K rate) I’m confused. Is he giving up more walks as well with the different slot or something? Also there are the high arm slot pitches… man this stuff is always over my head.
No sure of his intentions
I’ll have to see if I can correlate arm slot to the count. I’ll try that tonight.
by Harry Pavlidis on Mar 3, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Sweet
Whatever work you want to do is awesome. I actually didn’t realize at first that you weren’t really drawing that many conclusions yet… I simply assumed that it was too complicated for me to “get it” at first. But awesome stuff, once again.
Great work
Thanks for this piece, Harry.
It will definitely be interesting to see how Duncan’s work with Perez affects these numbers for this season.
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by RunninRedbird on Mar 3, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Some Cub fans probably
don’t like the Met days of my youth. Keith Hernandez for Ownby and who else? I still never thanked you all for that.
by Harry Pavlidis on Mar 3, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
weekend
no, and I think Neil Allen was the key player
by Harry Pavlidis on Mar 3, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Neil Allen
Thanks for that reminder. I liked this article until that point.
I wonder if Perez can master which arm slot he uses in different occasions
would that make him even more effective? or would he be better off pitching from the middle arm slot, since it’s faster and has the greatest disparity between pitchfx_x and z… quite clearly though, I think you are saying that the lower arm slot seems to be the most devastating? interesting stuff, gets the ol’ wheels moving in the ol noggin
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 3, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply actions
I'm not sure
I mean, he misses the zone a lot with it when he drops down. A lot. Way too much for fastball. I’ll see what pops out when I check by the count/situation. I’ll have that later on tonight.
by Harry Pavlidis on Mar 3, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
ah
interesting, like no one knows where it is going to go in the lower arm slot
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 3, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
counts
# FA B S H M L 113 0 0 0.13 0.76 0.11 47 0 1 0.23 0.66 0.11 21 0 2 0.19 0.71 0.10 61 1 0 0.07 0.85 0.08 52 1 1 0.15 0.69 0.15 39 1 2 0.18 0.72 0.10 26 2 0 0.08 0.88 0.04 33 2 1 0.03 0.91 0.06 43 2 2 0.12 0.77 0.12 11 3 0 0.27 0.73 0.00 22 3 1 0.09 0.82 0.09 33 3 2 0.15 0.70 0.15
what is your reading of this?
I can’t figure out what is going on here.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 4, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
I think nothing is going on
With such small samples, even in the slightly bigger groupings below, I suspect it’s random. In other words, I wouldn’t say he’s intentionally dropping down. I can’t really say he isn’t, either, though.
by Harry Pavlidis on Mar 4, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
situations
type # FA H M L ahead 107 0.2056 0.6916 0.1028 behind 153 0.0784 0.8562 0.0654 even 95 0.1368 0.7263 0.1368 first 113 0.1327 0.7611 0.1062 full 33 0.1515 0.697 0.1515 all 501 0.1337 0.7645 0.1018
those groups are mutually exclusive
full is not included in behind, first is not included in even.
by Harry Pavlidis on Mar 3, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
So it doesn't change much
vivaelbeñsheets
by vivaelpujols on Mar 3, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
this no way a flubs fan was smart enough to read this, let alone put it together
(sarcasm & alcohol were prevalent in the making of that statement)
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