CN Approval Ratings: Colby Rasmus
by Cardinal70 on Mar 19, 2009 8:54 AM EDT
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Just two more approval ratings to go. I hope that you have been enjoying them.
Today's subject may be a little difficult to grade. Do you give Rasmus points for his potential? Do you look at his minor league body of work? Does his dad's internet presence and comments about the organization mean anything to you?
Rating the center fielder of the future may be a tough one, but I'm very interested to see what y'all come up with.
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This is tough....
But I’ll give him a 90%
His full (healthy) season at AA in 2007 shows that he has potential superstar make-up. He’s already the best defensive outfielder on the ML roster, if he makes it. And his bat will equal his defense with time. I can’t knock him down any for last year, the guy was hurt. I’m confident that once he makes it to the bigs he’ll will be able to add on the extra 10% to my approval rating. I like the guy, obviously, check out my sig and avatar.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Mar 19, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Colby
Ask me in July.
And I say England's greatest prime minister was Lord Palmerston.
by tangledbrett on Mar 19, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I knew he was gonna be next
and I don’t know. I’ll say a 70 and reserve further judgment.
by WyoCardsFan on Mar 19, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
tough one here
He’s got massive potential, but he hasn’t come close to achieving it. He seems to be working hard, but has been a disappointment so far. I have had concerns about his makeup for a while now, and I don’t care if any scouts or others agree with me. I keep hoping to be proved wrong.
I’m going to give him a 50, to balance some of the irrational exhuberance.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
by SleepyCA on Mar 19, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who here is displaying "irrational exhuberance?"
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Mar 19, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone rating a guy highly
who put up an injury-shortened .740 OPS at AAA, and then didn’t play winter ball?
Sure, he was young for his level last year, but this is “approval rating”, and I don’t see how people can approve of the way the guy’s career is going so far. Especially not to the tune of 90-100 percent.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
by SleepyCA on Mar 19, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seeing him play I think he's a pretty sure thing.
Although he’ll probably need a half a season to a year in the majors to settle in.
by TheBirds on Mar 19, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Colby’s career has gone fine so far. 2008 was injury plagued for Rasmus, so I don’t really see the point of arguing his numbers against him for that season. But look at 2007, the only season which he spent w/o bouncing around in different leagues. He OPS’ed .932; I surely approve of this guy’s career so far. Other guys in our system haven’t had as much success as this during their tenures in the minors and are solid offensive players in the Majors (Schumaker, Duncan, Molina). I don’t understand writing the guy off after 90 games in AAA.
I got to see him live in about 20-25 games while he was at Spfd. His defense is solid all the time, spectacular other times, and his offense will catch up at the ML level. He also led Spfd to their only Texas League Title Series. I don’t see how someone can disapprove of the top prospect of the organization. If we can’t approve of Rasmus, then we can’t approve of Wallace, Jay, Todd, Garcia, or any of the other potential major leaguers we have in the system.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Mar 19, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2008 was not "injury-plagued".
It’s not like he played for months with a lingering injury, causing his performance to suffer; he was fine (physically) until he hurt his knee swinging at a bad pitch and then sat out a month or so. What plagued him was that he felt sorry for himself for not making the big league team out of spring training last year. Well, tough luck, kid; coulda been you and not joe mather that got the call up in May.
If he gets his head on straight and plays to his potential, I’ll change my assessment somewhat, at least in a “rooting for laundry” fashion, but until then, it is what it is. He could have proved something in the winter league, after taking a month off, but he was “tired of baseball” (after taking a month off). Sorry, but I disapprove of that.
And to say that I “have” to approve of all prospects regardless of their behavior or performance is just silly. By that standard, why even bother to ask the question?
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
by SleepyCA on Mar 19, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you Rasmus?
Because you are sure acting like you know what he is thinking and feeling.
What plagued him was that he felt sorry for himself for not making the big league team out of spring training last year
This comment serves no purpose since it cannot be supported by any means whatsoever.
And not injury-plagued? He missed 52 of the Redbirds 142 games last year. That is over one-third of the season, 37 percent. If Albert Pujols misses 37 percent of the games in 2009 what do you call that if not “injury-plagued”?
And to say that I "have" to approve of all prospects regardless of their behavior or performance is just silly. By that standard, why even bother to ask the question?
I never said you “have to approve of prospects regardless of their behavior or performance”. You could not approve of the guy simply because you don’t like him. Which seems to me what you are basing it on, since you liken him to a whining child. I’m arguing that your opinion of giving a high approval rating to Rasmus is only based on “irrational exhuberance” is not true.
You stated that “he seems to be working hard, but has been a disappointment so far.” My argument is that he hasn’t been a disappointment if you look at his overall minor league numbers. You’re argument is based off of 2008 alone during his one stint in AAA (when he missed one-third of the season due to injury). Can you at least see why I disagree with your judgement on this? I’m not approving of Rasmus based on “irrational exhuberance”. I’m basing it on his production when he’s been healthy and what I’ve seen him do in person.
And I couldn’t care less if he played winter ball or not. Not all players do, it’s not a requirement.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Mar 19, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This comment serves no purpose since it cannot be supported by any means whatsoever.
Well, it’s pretty much what his dad said on the internet last april/may, and he’s probably a fairly authoritative source.
Look, I approve of guys putting up .932 OPS’s. Believe me, I do. And I believe Colby is capable of doing that at the MLB level, soon. I was a HUGE colby fan before I saw him dogging it in ST last year, and then the off-season stuff with his dad. As a cardinals fan, I’ll be very happy when he does start playing to his ability, just like I was very happy when other players I have disliked did well. but it’s going to take a lot of work on his part to convince me that he’s not a punk.
As far as missing time at memphis, again, his performance wasn’t bad because he was playing hurt. His performance was bad, THEN he got hurt and missed a month. I’m not arguing that he didn’t miss a lot of time, including taking 4 days off in June to “get his head straight”, but his performance was not affected by physical injury as far as I know. He also played 6 games after the injury, so your 37% number is a bit high.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
by SleepyCA on Mar 19, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are a little too hard on him.
He’s only 22, I can see anyone his age having trouble dealing with the stress of trying to make the big leagues and letting all the hype go to his head as well. I can forgive him for being a bit of a punk.
But hey, this whole thing is your opinion so think what you want.
by TheBirds on Mar 19, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha you said hard on.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Mar 20, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm too lazy this early in the morning to try and look up numbers
But wasn’t he starting to hit well in AAA just before he got hurt? And what do you mean by “dogging it in ST last year?” I thought he was lighting it up in ST last year. That’s probably a huge reason why he would have been acting like a “punk” in your opinion. This was a 21 year old, at the time, who has been the jewel of the farm system even since he came into the organization. He was coming off a monstrous year in AA and put up great numbers in ST, then he doesn’t make the ML roster. I can see the reason for frustration on his part that would lead to him acting like a “punk” to some people.
And if you feel the 37% is too high then you can give those 10 games back. He misses 22%. It’s still alot of playing time that he could have been using to earn a Sept. call-up if he hadn’t been injured.
I’m fine w/ you having a lesser approval rating of Colby for your own reasons. What I didn’t like is how you seemed to give your approval rating to “balance out” the ratings of those who gave him 90-100%. These approval ratings are meant for you to specifically show what you think of a player. Not to try and predict an overall outcome or try and lower said outcome if you disagree w/ the way some people are rating him.
Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...
by RunninRedbird on Mar 20, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rasmus does seem pretty tired of the minors, and I think that could be the reason for the downturn in his numbers last year.
He could either be anxious, have a sense of entitlement, both, I don’t know. He played really well in ST last year, but a lot of others did too so he got left off. I’ve got a feeling if he were left off again it could get pretty ugly. I don’t think that will happen though, Barton getting cut makes the Lineup pretty weak against lefties, at least until Glaus comes back and bumps Mather to the OF, if Rasmus doesn’t make the team.
by TheBirds on Mar 19, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
90..
The kid is only 22 and pushing for a spot in our already really good outfield. To me that shows a lot. Still has a lot to prove though.
There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit. ~Al Gallagher, 1971
by wizardofozzie on Mar 19, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
50%
This is not because of who he is, or what he has done. This is because of the unrealistic expectations for him. Hes a 22 year old who is expected to change the face of the organization… I cant help but feel this weighs on him. I think he’s letting the hype get the best of him and pressing to make the team rather than playing his game.
Until he shows me something to shut me up, hes little more than an interesting stat line to me and a reason to be cautiously optimistic in coming years. I hope he will show me what he brings to the table with the big league club this season. I guess we’ll see
by mr banana grabber on Mar 19, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
50%
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by gdm426 on Mar 19, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
80%
A few setbacks, but still a great prospect overall.
by TheBirds on Mar 19, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
75
Hope he lives up to it all.
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by Alxfritz on Mar 19, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
79%
"Statistics mean nothing to the individual"
"You are what you eat and you clearly went out and devoured a big fat guy"
by jacksonian on Mar 19, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
90%
Counting the days 'till the first pitch.
by IL and StL Fan on Mar 19, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
0%
Ask me after he plays in a Major League game.
by Evilfrog on Mar 19, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are we going to do one of these for every person involved with the Cardinals?
I don’t know about Rasmus yet. I haven’t seen him do anything.
by JoeyBombs on Mar 19, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
um, it would be 100%
but he’s going to get knocked 20% for his father who likes to bitch.
80%
by stlcardinalsfang on Mar 20, 2009 2:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
50
I know that’s considerably lower than some of the Future Redbirds posters who certainly know the prospects better than I and my approval will rocket upwards when he proves something at the major league level. I do think he’s still a very good prospect but I have more concerns than some folks. One, other than a good spring training last year, he’s not proven anything against major league competition or, for that matter, against AAA competition. One good month at AAA does not indicate that a prospect is ready for prime time. Two, although he had a very good year in AA in ‘07, his mega slump, similar to his start last year, concerns me. Three, he’s had a weak spring this year. Four, there’s some concern about emotional baggage and a meddling stage father. Five, we’ve got outfielders stacked up like cord wood and even other minor leaguers such as John Jay look more ready based on ST.
If he makes the club in April I think he will struggle big time and whatever emotional issues that will cause him will be much worse than if he was sent down to prove himself in AAA. I really do hope I’m wrong but he’ll have to earn a higher approval rating from me.
by easy on Mar 20, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
100
dollar bills all day for the Golden Boy!!! Whether or not Pujack really wants rep the “birds on the bat” post-’11 may ultimately depend on the the potentiality of Colby Razz realizing sooner than later.
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by RayMonD! on Mar 21, 2009 2:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wants >to< rep, lo siento
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by RayMonD! on Mar 21, 2009 2:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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Is it weird that I would rather the payroll be more like the Marlins than the Yankees?
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