Offseason Recap
Now that we know that there will not be anymore signings, I think its a good time to take a preliminary look at how we feel about the Cards offseason. (I think that's an okay way of wording it)
- Kyle Lohse - Re-signed for 4 years/$41 million. Of course, this is a bit pricey and it probably would have served the Cards well to be a bit more gun shy, but then again he is a Boras guy so this doesn't look as bad compared to the deals Silva, Meche, etc received.
- Khalil Greene - Acquired for Mark Worrell and PTBNL. An absolute steal in my opinion. There was a time when I was a bit concerned who the PTBNL would be, but after watching Khalil play, I'm comfortable with it regardless of who it winds up being. I think we'll get that Khalil who is somewhere at the midway point of the 2007 and 2008 versions of himself. Also, HUGE upgrade from Izturis' bat.
- Jason LaRue - Re-signed for $950,000. Not a bad deal. I like his defense, but he doesn't offer too much offensively (not that he's supposed to). Still, he did hike his batting average 65 points from 2007 (.148) to 2008 (.213). That's gotta be worth an extra hundred thousand.
- Dennys Reyes - Signed 2 years/$3 Million. Again, I have to say, this looks like a bit of a steal. Reyes has been one the best lefties in the game for 3 seasons now. Especially good deal when compared to Affeldt (2 years/$8 million).
- Trever Miller - Signed for 1 year $500,000 + incentives. I think it was a very wise move on Mo's part to restructure the original offer. I'm somewhat suprised Trever accepted, given the fact that he said the injury hasn't affected him at all. Either A.) he knew that his arm would eventually blow out, B.) he knew the economy would prevent him from getting a better offer, or C.) He really, really wanted to be a Cardinal. No matter, he's better than Flores.
- Joe Thurston - Signed to minor league contract. Tony should love this guy because he can play the outfield, too. It's interesting that he's getting chances at 3rd base, considering he's never played there before, but I take that as Tony looking for more reasons to justify a spot for him on the team. Though, it would be better if he could play a little SS. I'm concerned that a roster spot for Thurston means 4 MIF's again. I'm a little up in the air on this one, but I like the depth he provides better than say...Rico Washington.
- Skip Schumaker - Converted to second base. A lot of us pushed for this idea for a while and I was extremely suprised when they announced they were gonna try it. We've seen some good and we've seen some bad from him, but I think we can all agree that this is worth a try. If he can be decent at 2B than this is a major offensive upgrade from Kennedy. And it creates room for a major offensive upgrade in the outfield. We will basically be swapping out Adam Kennedy for Chris Duncan/Colby Rasmus.
- Aaron Miles - Signed with Cubs 2 years/$4.9 Million. I may be in the minority on this one, but I think Aaron was worth that money. I was disappointed that he left (especially for the Cubs). It concerns me that the Cardinals don't have a proven starting 2nd basemen if Skip fails to convert.
- Jason Isringhausen - Signed minor league deal with Rays. I breathed a major sigh of relief when I heard about this. I would like to see him back in a Cards uniform someday as a coach, but 2 of his last 3 seasons were absolutely dreadful.
- Adam Kennedy - Released and signed minor league deal with Rays. We all know about his defense, but there was no way this was gonna work. He had to go and I think the Cards made the right move (the only move?) to release him. Like Miles, I would've liked to have had him around in case Project Skip fails.
- Russ Springer - Signed with A's for 1 year/3.5 Million. I hate to see him go, but I really don't think he was necessary for this team. I think age is gonna catch up with him this season, so I think the Mo dodged a bullet on this one.
- Braden Looper - Signed with Brewers for $4.75 Million. Possibly another dodged bullet. Looper hurt himself sneezing this spring. I'm not sure of the severity of his injury, but I know thats 1 more injury than is being reported by the cards current starting 5.
- Matt Holliday - Traded to A's. I don't know why the cards were inquiring on him in the first place, but I'm glad he's not heading this way. Too much disparity in the home/road splits for me to feel comfortable paying him $13.5 million.
- Brian Fuentes - Signed with Angels. In a perfect world he would have been saint louis bound on a one year deal. From what I understand the cards actually offered more money for him than the angels. Either way, glad this didn't happen for multiple years.
- Kelly Johnson - No way would I have traded Ludwick for him.
- Ben Sheets - We are sorry, Mo.
All in all, not a great offseason, but certainly not a bad one. I think this team is improved enough to make the playoffs.....If Carpenter stays healthy. So, it basically feels a lot like last season, I would've like to have seen them acquire a durable #2/3 guy for the rotation to provide protection, but who knows maybe Joel Pineiro takes the league by storm.....(pause for effect).....(crickets)..... I think I'd give them an overall grade of a B- for making some nice moves but not doing enough to put themselves over the top...what do you guys think?
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I'm disappointed we didn't get another starter
But I still think Durham/Grudzie are Busch-bound before the start of the season. If they pick up one of those two I’ll be quietly happy with the off-season, I think. Really, we’re crying out for a right-handed 2B who can platoon a bit with Skip and take all the starts vs LHP. This also leaves Skippy free to play a bit of LF and, with Mather at 3B, means we only need to carry one backup OF (Rasmus, providing Duncan, Lud and Ank are the starters more often than not), and leaves us free to add a corner infield/pinch-hitter with a strong bat on the bench (my preference would be Craig at this point, although I think Freese should get his chance).
I think we really missed a trick on Orlando Hudson – the Dodgers got him on an absolute steal; I don’t think he’s worth the 4/40m people were quoting before the economy went tits-up, but on a one year contract, anything less than 10m for the guy looks good value. I reckon he’s probably 2 wins better than Kennedy is likely to be in 09, and that’s worth ponying up the cash for when we’re likely only a few wins behind the Cubs’ projection this year. Heck, I’d even have gone 2 years on him.
I’d have rather ponied up a bit more than we paid Reyes and got Will Ohman but really, Reyes is as good a pure LOOGY as there is anywhere so I think that was a pretty sharp deal. I like the fact we tried cheaper options (Ostlund, who I liked the look of before he started getting shelled, Ring who might’ve been a Duncan project, and Manning, who was a deeply mediocre worst-case fallback) before admitting defeat and signing reyes – good procedure all-round I think. The Miller signing was obviously all upside, so I reckon we solved our lefty problems well. B+ on that front.
We probably missed a trick not adding a cheap mid-rotation pitching option. We really are putting all our eggs in Carp’s basket and, if he fails (with the possibility of Lohse & Wellemeyer not being quite as effective in 09 as they were in 08) our rotation looks mediocre. My preference would’ve been a trade with Minnesota or San Francisco (I think Jonathan Sanchez and Nick Blackburn would’ve been the options we could legitimately afford without giving up Rasmus, Ludwick or Wallace) but perhaps that wasn’t possible.
Failing that, there were a number of decent pitchers not asking for a whole lot of money on the FA market – I know it’s not a popular choice, but I’d have liked us to be looking at John Garland this year. He’s been oft-referred to in knowledgeable circles as “being on the way down” or “becoming ineffective” but I think a lot of that is heresay and word-of-mouth; if you actually look at his peripherals, he didn’t deteriorate much (if at all) in 2009. His K rate was up slightly down again, but his walkrate also fell below his career numbers, and he hardly offers ANY free passes. He creates more groundballs than his career average, and fewer flyballs, but suffered his career-worst BABIP despite this. Moving to LA obviously didn’t work out for him but he’s still young and durable enough to pitch 200 solid innings, and could probably be #3-starter quality in the NL (weaker hitters who haven’t seen him before, no DH, better fielding behind him, excluding Skip); I suspect he’ll put up numbers similar to what Kyle Lohse’ll do in 2009, and could’ve been had for 3 fewer years and a little bit less cash. He was still a 2-win player last year, even in a severe down year when he got quite unlucky.
That said, IF (and it’s a big if) all our starters pan out, the rotation looks fine. There’s just a lack of depth.
The other way I’d have liked to see us address the depth problem is by adding a good reliever. That way, KMac could stretch out as long man/5th starter, and our new reliever could’ve taken his spot in the pen, so we didn’t lose anything in the higher-leverage innings. I’m not necessarily sure that player was out there, though – I tend to agree that Springer’s due a bit of a regression (although he’ll still be solid), Hoffman’s not worth the money he’s getting, and the high-end options (Fuentes, KRod, Wood) are all way too expensive for my tastes.
Finally, I think we missed out on some of the better freely available talent out there. My two favourite hobby horses this year are RJ Swindles (AAAA reliever) who’s never been given a chance at MLB level because he throws in the low 80s but he’s been absolute murder on AAA hitters with his deceptive stuff and excellent control for a couple of years (Philadelphia got him for a song) and Odalis Perez, who would’ve cost us maybe 1m and who could’ve been used as a 6th starter for the inevitable injuries and to put a bit of pressure on Pineiro. He’s not very good but is cheap, left-handed, and can still pitch to major league hitters.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 19, 2009 8:31 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Just a couple of things
I agree on the Durham front — and I’d be much more interested in him than Grudzie because he’s a switch hitter that can lead off. I think his defense is good enough to get us by — he’s probably and average defender at this point in his career. I like the thought of Durham as a starter against lefties and a late inning defensive replacement for Skip, who would move to left field and relieve Duncan. Makes a lot of sense for Tony too, since he’s the master of the double switch.
Regarding Hudson: he was type A, so the Cardinals would have given up their first round pick to acquire him, and he is coming off of a wrist injury. There aren’t too many hitters that respond well after injuries to their wrists or hands. He also hasn’t been a very good defender by UZR over the last couple of seasons. I think there’s a chance that he’s on the decline, but I’d pay him what he signed for to find out. I just really don’t like giving up a first round pick if I can help it.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I think I agree with everything you said there
Re. Swindle: I read a very interesting article about him at Beyond the Boxscore. My favorite line is:
He gave up 3 earned runs in 46 innings pitched for them between A and AAA for an ERA of 0.59. His peripherals were, once again, amazing with a 9.0 K/9 and a 9.2 K/BB ratio. He was released again for his efforts.
Ptsh. Stupid Yankees.
Also I a really feel that Garland would have been a great addition to the club. At the start of the offseason, I thought that he sucked, but then I got into some advanced stats, and he is actually a good and VERY durable pitcher. He did suck last year, but before that, he had put of 3 straight seasons of above average production in a ton of innings. Given that he is in his prime, I would say that last years awful production was more of a “off year” than anything. He was worth an average of 3.8 WAR from 05-07, and still managed to be worth nearly 2 WAR last year. That kind of production is worth a lot more than he got from Arizona.
Blackburn or Sanchez would have been nice. I would guess that with Minnesota’s great starting depth, we could have acquired Blackburn by giving them Freese or Craig + a reliever.
On the whole, I am not disappointed by this offseason. We didn’t make any stupid moves (maybe Lohse, although the jury is still out on him) and Moz seems to have established himself as a believer in young players. We do have a lot of talent coming up soon, so that is important.
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by vivaelpujols on Mar 20, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Reyes
it’s hard for me to describe that one as a steal when Joe Beimel just signed a 1 year deal w/ the Nats. They’re basically the same pitcher, as I pointed out here and a 1 year deal is better than a 2 year deal from our perspective. You’d have to think that Mo could’ve either leveraged Reyes down to a 1 year deal based on Beimel’s demands or just signed Beimel. Compared to Affeldt, it is a good deal. Compared to Beimel, not so much.
And as for Greene, it’s still impossible to evaluate this deal until we know who the PTBNL is. I’ve read and spoken to a number of people who don’t seem to care who he is, but I do. It matters. It also matters whether or not the Greene who shows up is the one who played in 2007 or the one who played last year. If he’s as bad as he was last year, and the PTBNL is a pretty good prospect, we may as well have resigned Izturis.
if spring training is any indication
we will probably see the one that is more like 2007
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 19, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
On Reyes v. Beimel
…I think the opposite. I was never impressed with Beimel, who had a tendency to let inherited runners score last season (20 of 60 scored) and wasn’t quite the shutdown guy against lefties that Reyes was (.278 v. .202). Yet, the Cardinals got the better LOOGY for a bit cheaper and locked him up for two seasons, which is a good thing since there’s no real help coming from the farm system, outside of a healthy Garcia.
I disagree about Reyes v. Beimel
Beimel’s success has been predicated on a nonexistant homerun rate, literally, which will certainly regress to the norm next year. His K/BB has never been impressive and he allows a lot of hard contact against him.
Reyes on the other hand, has no statistical anomalies. He burns worms like crazy, averaging over 65% GB rate the last 3 years, and allows almost no flyballs. He has actually gotten unlucky in terms of his HR/FB ration.
I actually prefer the 2 year deal to the 1 year deal. We haven’t had a good LOOGY since Ray King. We got Reyes for 2 years at one million more than Beimel cost for 1. Given that Reyes is probably the superior reliever, I would say that was a good move.
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by vivaelpujols on Mar 20, 2009 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I for one am not sorry Mo!
I am standing by the BS thing. Make it a mid to late summer signing please.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
and....BEN SHEETS!!! **
**not that BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment, just BEN SHEETS!!!
(BEN SHEETS might be involved in this comment)
Ben Sheets is rehabbing in Texas
with the Rangers…
But hey, I also thought that the Cubs would beat the Dodgers…
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
is that even allowed?
i don’t think he can do that
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
Eh, who cares
I feel sorry for the Rangers and their perennial 5.50 ERA.
vivaelbeñsheets
by vivaelpujols on Mar 20, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
One thing I like about the Cardinals
They seem to be the one team willing to do out of the ordinary things. Batting pitcher 8th and converting Skip to second. Not sure if either of those are good things, but it’s nice to know that they don’t constantly submit to convention. Gotta give TLR credit for that.



















