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2009 Draft Preview #4

I was thinking, in the vague and unfocused way that I generally have, of writing this morning about how utterly bizarre this particular Cardinal spring training has been, particularly in terms of the way the roster seems to be shaping up.

Sadly for me, my colleague Dan yanked the rug out from under my feet by writing about just that very thing yesterday; thus, I come before you this morning with yet another in my eternal series of draft previews.

Interesting little tie-in to this one, by the way; on Monday afternoon, in the Cardinals' game against the Tigers, we saw a young man by the name of Ryan Perrry take the mound for the Detroit Nine. Perrry is a righty who was drafted by the Tigers just last year in the first round, at #21 overall.

By perhaps the least remarkable coincidence in the history of anything,  I happened to write up a very brief assessment of Mr. Perry last year, in a post about several collegiate pitchers of the right-handed variety. At the time, I described him as a hard-throwing righty with a rather violent delivery and questionable secondary pitches who profiles better as a closer than a starter in professional baseball.

Well, first off, let me say I was wrong about one thing: Ryan Perry doesn't throw hard. He throws really, really, really hard. The guy actually hit higher on the radar gun than our very own Jason Motte, which is definitely something to be impressed by. Other than that, I think my assessment was pretty much on the money. I do think his delivery looked a little smoother on Monday than what I recall from the videos I found around draft time, but I'm not willing to lay much money on that. His slider looked pretty good, and he pretty much didn't need much of anything else. In short, young Mr. Perry was very impressive in the brief look I got at him.

Now, am I bringing this up to argue that the Cardinals should have drafted Ryan Perry in the first round last year? No, I most definitely am not. I bring it up for two reasons. One, I really like the idea of taking college closers (or guys who you figure absolutely have to become closers), in the draft for exactly the reasons that Perry illustrates. He's going to make to the big leagues in one hell of a hurry, perhaps as early as opening day. A pitcher like that, a guy with a big arm who pitches in the late innings, is nearly a finished product already; the amount of development still needed is fairly minimal. Two, I bring it up because it relates to today's post, in a very circular sort of way. I relate it to today's post because Perry belonged to that college closer draft demographic, and that's what I'm going to be covering this morning. (The circular part actually comes in when I admit that I'm covering college closers today because of seeing Perry pitch the other day. Thus, my logic and reasoning both turn back upon themselves.)

There's an interesting discussion to be had, I think, when it comes to the drafting of such (perceived, at least), low-risk, fairly safe sorts of players early in the draft. I've long been a proponent of taking the big upside guys early; I didn't like Brett Wallace because I thought his athleticism was lacking, and wanted a guy like Jake Odorizzi or Aaron Hicks for the Cards in last year's draft. (For the record, I love the Wallace pick and think it was a fantastic one, but if I'm being honest, it still wouldn't have been the pick I would have made.) But the more I cover the draft, the more I begin to see the value in taking players like a Ryan Perry. He may only give you a certain amount of value, but at the same time, he can easily fill a need that you might otherwise have had to pay for on the open market. Couple that with the fact that a player with such a short road to the big leagues has far less pitfalls to avoid than the long term potential superstar, and I certainly understand the logic behind that sort of player being taken.

Anyhow, enough of my rambling. On to the scouting reports, with hopefully the larger point just made still kicking around somewhere in the back of your brain.

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Jason Stoffel, RHP, University of Arizona

DOB: 15th September, 1988

6'1", 220 lbs.

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So, what's so great about this guy?

Stoffel is, as of right now, considered the top college closer in the 2009 draft. He was the closer on the same Arizona team last year that featured a pair of first-round draftees at the back end of the bullpen, in the hard-throwing lefty Daniel Schlereth and the aforementioned Ryan Perry. (And by the way, that had to be one of the most ridiculous bullpens ever assembled in college baseball, wouldn't you think?) The fact that both of those players played second fiddle to Stoffel should tell you a little something about the quality of pitcher we're talking about here.

As far as stuff goes, Stoffel has more than enough to get the job done, beginning with a fastball that cruises along easily in the low 90s, reaching up into the mids occasionally. I have seen one scouting report that has him reaching as high as 98, but that one seemed to be a definite outlier. Sadly, I've seen only minimal video of Stoffel pitching myself, so I can't really verify one way or the other. His fastball features not only good velocity, but unusually good movement that generates lots of ground balls and funny looking swings. He pairs it with a power curve that has nice depth, though he does tend to slow his arm a bit when throwing it. Still, it profiles as a future plus pitch, giving him two above-average offerings. His changeup showed promise in high school, when he was still a starter, but Stoffel hasn't thrown it much (read: at all), since moving to closer at Arizona.

Adding to the package with Stoffel is very good control, as evidenced by a 79/15 K/BB ratio in 2008, a bulldog's mentality that profiles well for short work, and a real gift for keeping the ball in the ballpark. In fact, in two years closing for Arizona, Stoffel has given up one, count it, one long ball. Not a bad recipe for a closer, eh?

There really isn't a whole lot not to like with Stoffel, as he doesn't have much in the way of weak spots. He has a thick, mature body already, so there isn't much left in the way of projection. That isn't really a concern, though, as he already has plenty of velocity to get the job done.

While Stoffel could possibly see a team try to get him to develop his changeup and turn him back into a starter, the most likely scenario is for him to come off the board early as the best bullpen arm in the draft and move quickly through someone's system.

Ben Tootle, RHP, Jacksonville State University

DOB: 9th January, 1988

6'1", 185 lbs.

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So, what's so great about this guy?

If Stoffel is the top college closer in the draft, then Ben Tootle is that number one guy that, yeah, he's a starter now, but everyone knows he's really just a closer waiting to happen.He really exploded on to the prospect scene last summer with a great Cape Cod League performance; prior to that he was seen as a fairly nondescript guy, albeit one with a nice arm.

When it comes right down to it, Tootle fits the profile of the terrifying, shut down closer better than probably any other pitcher in the draft. He throws very, very hard, in the mid-90s starting, and up in the uppers when he's pitched in short, relief type outings. It has nasty, riding life to it as well, complicating a hitter's life even further. When Tootle can locate his fastball for strikes (which, unfortunately for him, isn't nearly as often as one would like), he's nearly unhittable just with the fastball alone.

What is even more impressive, though, is that Tootle's fastball may not even be his best pitch. He throws a wicked slider with an unusually large break on it; it's really more of a big, hard slurve, but somehow still sharp. I've seen a few of them, and let me tell you, that is a frightening, frightening pitch. Actually, come to think of it, his breaking ball reminds me a little bit of Scot Shields of the Angels, that big, hard slurve that he throws.

Tootle has no real changeup to speak of, yet another nail in the coffin of his starting career. Interestingly, in his scouting report over at Brewerfan (which, by the way, if you aren't aware of, is one of the best resources around for draft coverage), it states that he's had problems pitching out of the stretch in the past, mostly because he tries to use a much lower leg kick and his delivery suffers. I haven't seen enough of Tootle personally to know on that one, but I trust that the report is probably accurate.

He does have a very interesting delivery, with a huge leg kick. Looking at his mechanics, I actually think they're pretty sound; I like his arm action, with an elbow that stays below shoulder level throughout. I have only seen full-speed video, though, so take that with a grain of salt.

Tootle isn't real big, probably another point for him closing down the line, but he keeps himself in remarkable shape. There are some negatives, namely the fact that he's been more hittable in the past than someone with his stuff should be. His control comes and goes at times as well. For the most part, though, he's been much more effective in shorter outings, exactly the sort that most expect he'll end up seeing as a professional.

Some video for your perusal:

 

Scott Bittle, RHP, Ole Miss University

DOB: 27th August, 1986

6'1", 190 lbs.

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So, what's so great about this guy?

You know, we hear the term "Nintendo numbers" thrown around quite often. Occasionally, the use is even justified. Well, if you want to see what video game numbers look like, look no further than one Scott Bittle. In 2008, Mr. Bittle appeared in 27 games, all out of the bullpen for Ole Miss. He threw 70.2 innings, often functioning as a middle reliever, setup man, and closer in the same game. In those 70 innings, he:

allowed 35 hits,

walked 30 batters,

compiled a 7-1 record,

posted a 1.78 ERA,

held opponents to a .145 BAA,

and, 

struck out 130.

Okay, now which one of those numbers jumps out at you? Well, yes, besides all of them.

That's right. In 2008, Scott Bittle struck out 16.6 batters per nine innings. Sixteen and one half. That is utterly unreal.

Now, looking at those numbers, you would expect a seven foot giant, throwing 110 mph. With his changeup. But no, Scott Bittle actually pitches in the 89-91 range with his fastball, topping out at around 93. So how, exactly, you ask, does a guy throwing Jeff Suppan's fastball strike out almost two batters an inning?

Scott Bittle features, quite possibly, the single best pitch in the draft. He throws a cut fastball in the mid-80s that almost seems to defy description. It has this funny, late movement that seems to combine the best elements of both a cutter and a splitter, and hitters just sort of  wave helplessly at the thing.

So, what we have here is a guy who isn't all that big, he doesn't throw real hard, and as far as projection goes, he's probably pretty maxed out already for his frame, so there isn't a whole lot more coming. In spite of all that, he struck out over 16 men per nine innings last year, and gave up less than one hit every two innings. So what's not to like?

Well, unfortunately, there is something, and it's sort of a doozy. See, Scott Bittle was the second round draft pick of the New York Yankees last year. Not bad, huh? Strike out almost two an inning? Check. Win seven games in relief? Check. Get drafted by the most storied franchise in baseball? Check.

And that's when the speed bump came along.

The Yankees and Bittle were unable to come to terms on a contract last year, and the cause was not money. The Yankees found something in Bittle's shoulder on an MRI that they apparently did not like at all. Bittle and his agent, of course, argued that no other doctors had found anything wrong, and he was pitching free of pain, but the Yankees didn't seem to want any real part of that shoulder, because negotiations broke off soon after. So, Bittle went back to Ole Miss, and he'll be back in the draft this June.

So while he's easily the pitcher with the best track record of this group (hell, that's the best track record of just about any group you can sling together), Bittle is also probably the biggest risk of these pitchers, due to a problematic medical situation. Nonetheless, he's projected by most draft expert types as a first-round sort of talent, just maybe not a first-round sort of draft pick.

While he's certainly an unusual pitcher, there is a precedence for the type of guy we're talking about here, i.e. a pitcher without overwhelming velocity, but a pitch so nasty that he just dominates. Edwar Ramirez, the Yankee reliever with the wicked changeup, pops immediately to mind, as does Keith Foulke, who made a pretty damned good career out of a changeup that no one seemed to be able to figure out. The one comp that I immediately thought of, though (and maybe it's just because of the beard commercial), was a closer whose name we all know quite well: Bruce Sutter. Sutter never threw hard, even in his young days, but he came up with a pitch that absolutely baffled hitters, and he rode it all the way to the Hall of Fame. Now, please don't think I'm trying to predict a similar career path for Bittle; I'm only saying there is a definite precedent for a pitcher to be very good, even dominant, with a secondary pitch that's just off the charts good, even in the absence of a big time arm. (For the record, even though Mariano Rivera comes to mind as a guy with the overwhelming cutter and so should be an obvious comp, he also throws really, really hard, and so is a slightly different category of pitcher to me.) Come to think of it, John Franco and his screwball probably work here as well.

Of course, there is also the issue of the shoulder problem, which was described by the Yankees only as "wear and tear." Thanks, guys, that cleared things right up. Given the Cardinals' track record with injured shoulders, I would think they might give this guy a wide, wide berth. However, the perceived injury might also cause Bittle to drop dramatically on draft day, which could certainly make him an intriguing pick in, say, the second or third round. At the very least, we can all hope Bittle performs well and becomes a really interesting test case for what happens when a guy is thought to be injures even while putting up big time numbers.

Some video for you. (Pretty short, but nice quality, at least.)

So that's my list of the top college relief arms available in the '09 draft. (Okay, so one guy is still technically a starter. He's going to be a closer, mark my words.) I wonder: what would all of you out there think if one of these guys heard their names called at 19? I'm sure there would be a lot of grumbling about overdrafting, and a large percentage of it would likely come from me, but then again, any of these guys have the potential to be a Ryan Perry. Or a Huston Street. Or any of the other college closers we've seen in recent years who have shot right through a minor league system and become solid contributors to the big league club in short order. It's certainly cheaper than signing guys like Brian Fuentes, or even the Ghost of Kerry Wood, on the open market.

Me? Well, I like to see one college closer taken in the first five rounds, and two in the first ten. Would I spend a first round pick on any of these guys? Probably not, especially considering the depth the Cards have at right-handed relief. But a guy like Bittle, if he drops, I would certainly be interested. He's there in the second, I would be sorely tempted. Still there in the third, I think I have to snatch him up. Unless, of course, his arm falls off this spring.

Then, I'll wait and see if he can throw that cutter with his left.

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Stoffel, Tootle & Bittle

It just feels like there should be a joke there somewhere.

by svengali on Mar 18, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the personal injury law firm of Stoffel, Tootle & Bittle

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by TurdFerguson on Mar 18, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

perhaps "information retrieval" could help?

"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd

by SleepyCA on Mar 18, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you do an amazing amount of research for these things

It’s hard to comment because I don’t know anything about these guys at all.

Have you seen all of these guys in person? Just curious about how much of your scouting reports are first-hand, second-hand, etc.

As far as the theory about college closers being “safe bets”, is there any data available on how many of them make it, and how quickly?

"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd

by SleepyCA on Mar 18, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Short list of college closer-types taken in the first round since '02

Chris Perez, 2006, 42nd
Craig Hansen, 2005, 26th
Joey Devine, 2005, 27th
Huston Street, 2004, 40th
Ryan Wagner, 2003, 14th
Chad Cordero, 2003, 20th
David Aardsma, 2003, 22nd
Royce Ring, 2002, 18th

There is some semblance of safety on the whole when taking first-round calibur relievers, but obviously the talent pool varies from year-to-year. Not terribly academic, but I would say that Street and Cordero have worked out, while the jury is still out on Devine, Hansen and Perez, with all three looking promising.

In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.

"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.

"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.

"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG

by mateodh on Mar 18, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Three up, three down, three groundouts for Carp

Cautious optimism….growing….

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by jd is legend on Mar 18, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

should skip have turned two on that wigginton ground ball?

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by SleepyCA on Mar 18, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No clue, Sleepy

Greene was the one making the turn, though. Unless Skip bobbled it or it was a slow roller or something, then Khalil’s the one responsible for the turn. I like the number of groundouts I’m seeing out of Carp for sure, though.

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by jd is legend on Mar 18, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, he turned that one

woot!

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by SleepyCA on Mar 18, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Skip has looked pretty good in the field today

He (and Mather) still looks a little rigid in their motions, but he’s looked good turning the double play and fielding routine ground balls.

Knock on wood knock on wood knock on wood.

by mojowo11 on Mar 18, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the upside of this payroll debate is this:

if carpenter makes it past opening day, we could have the smallest amount of payroll on the DL in . . . how long? early 2006?

by tom s. on Mar 18, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Glaus?

We’ll still have Glaus’s salary on the DL to start the season, which isn’t minuscule. But this year will hopefully be an improvement.

by djsmokyc on Mar 18, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that said

Glaus doesn’t figure to be on the DL too long

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 18, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loving our lineup today

Schumaker 2B
Duncan LF
Pujols 1B
Ankiel CF
Ludwick DH
K. Greene SS
Molina C
Rasmus RF
Mather 3B

That’s just about as good as it gets for us.

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by jd is legend on Mar 18, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Swap Ankiel and Ludwick in order

and lose the spits DH, and it’s a real fine lineup.

by liam on Mar 18, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed about the DH, but honestly we've got a team built for one

Getting Rasmus on the team and in the lineup would be much less troublesome if Duncan could DH. And hey, less baserunning for the pitchers would be nice given how thin the staff is.

Temporary one-year DH trial in the NL, anyone?

by mojowo11 on Mar 18, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't help but see one of TLR's traditional moves

in the outfield late in games. Duncan/Ankiel/Lud start, assuming Dunc continues to rip it. We get a lead, Duncan comes out. Lud moves to left, Rasmus comes in and plays right. Simply because Ankiel’s tracking seems so much better in center field.

by sdrone on Mar 18, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

except that I think Ank is best in left

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 18, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My mind says Ank should be in right and Lud in left

But Lud always seems to be money in RF, so I’d be okay with Ank in LF.

by mojowo11 on Mar 18, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Traditional wisdom

says put the best arm in right. Ludwick’s arm is pretty solid, but I would have to think that Ankiel is the best OF arm on the team.

by Toddius on Mar 18, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rephrase

Ankiel has the best arm on the team — with the possible exception of Jason Motte.

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by fourstick on Mar 18, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

look at Ank's UZR/150

I can’t remember if it was right or left, but he is way better at one of the two. I’d rather worry about his fielding than his arm

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 18, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Almost all of Ank's LF time

was when he was playing hurt. Regarding Ank’s arm, I think he has the strongest OF arm, but I don’t know if that means the best OF arm.

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by giveml on Mar 18, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arm matters a lot in this scenario

because you have a lot more long throws from RF. The throw in question is the throw from RF to 3B, which is obviously a much shorter throw than from LF. Not having guys go from 1st to 3d on base hits to RF is valuable in terms of run prevention.

by Toddius on Mar 18, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just said holy F***ing S**t

thats a nice looking lineup, if people play to their potential.
Looks even better when Glaus is back

if Glaus comes back do we bat the pitcher 9th again? Its a pretty solid lineup

greens got some gap power (as well as HR power) and not a lot of OBP so he really doesnt fit into the 9th spot. I dont know who would or why we would bother

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by jealousblues on Mar 19, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha,

I didnt even think about the DH and just assumed Raz was the pitcher

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by jealousblues on Mar 19, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

by that

I mean I didnt think Rasmus was the pitcher but I just didnt bother to read who was in the 8 spot

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by jealousblues on Mar 19, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RB: wear and tear?

ask the yankees if bittle’s grandma only drove it to church on sundays.

cmon, his shoulder’s a creampuff.

by tom s. on Mar 18, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this reminds me of a seller's description of a used car.
Of course, there is also the issue of the shoulder problem, which was described by the Yankees only as “wear and tear.” Thanks, guys, that cleared things right up.

by tom s. on Mar 18, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we didn't have ridiculous depth...

in RH’d relief I think I’d be okay with one of these guys taken at #19. Otherwise, I hope we can find us a good MIF.

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by cardzfanbub on Mar 18, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And Ryan Freel playing SS?

Whaaa?

Oh wait, we’ve got Skip Schumaker playing 2B and Joe Mather playing 3B…

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by jd is legend on Mar 18, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just realized that too

a middle infield of freel-wigginton might be fabulously bad.

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by SleepyCA on Mar 18, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Izturis is the O's SS

Freel will probably be the utility guy he’s always been…

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by TurdFerguson on Mar 18, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Roberts gets

traded – he might be the everyday 2b.

by Toddius on Mar 18, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt they're trading Roberts now

what with extending him 4Y40M and all.

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by fourstick on Mar 18, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't see

that they extended him. They’re sticking with him, then, I guess. That’s probably a good move. I’m glad to see that he won’t be a Cub anytime soon.

by Toddius on Mar 18, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention that Markakis is already young and awesome

I have a slight man-crush on Markakis. Easily the most underrated player in the game, if you ask me.

Dude was a 6.1 win player last year; +9.3 UZR in RF; .897 OPS.; 48 2B and 20 HR.

What a dreamboat.

by mojowo11 on Mar 18, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, him and Wieters and Roberts

Maybe Wieters doesn’t count yet.

My real point is this: stare deep into his eyes. You may not get out for several hours.

by mojowo11 on Mar 18, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you stare long enough into the abyss

then Matt Wieters stares back at you. Or maybe that’s Strasburg…

by mattybobo on Mar 18, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for he IS the quitzatchweitersach!

I don’t know, the fact that markakis seems to be completely lacking pupils makes me wonder if he’s even human.

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by SleepyCA on Mar 18, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If

If Rasmus develops into a player the caliber of Markakis, than this team has an even more brighter future than once thought.

by CoolCat23 on Mar 19, 2009 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, now

THAT’S Greek to me!

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Mar 19, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neither Jones nor Pie

has shown any on-base skilz, unfortunately. So I’m going to lay off the word awesome for those guys. Markakis, though, that guy’s a player.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 18, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good defense, at least

Their outfield defense is pretty sick across the board.

But yeah, Pie’s ceiling isn’t as high as it used to be. I wonder if that’s because it’s always been the same, but people just wised up to the need to get on base over time and realized he’s missing a key skill?

by mojowo11 on Mar 18, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On-base skills have never been a

high priority for the Cubs, it seems.

I’m skeptical of guys who don’t figure out how to get on base by age 24 (though Jones is only 23 right now). Is that my irrational prejudice or are there a lot of guys who can improve significantly as they age?

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 18, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pie & Jones

In 873 PA’s at AAA Iowa, Pie had an OBP of .360 — that’s pretty decent on-base skills for a 22-23 year old at AAA. His walk rate over that period was 8% which isn’t great, but it isn’t horrible either. He hasn’t shown a lot of patience at the big league level, but he hasn’t shown he’s very good at that level yet either and Lou yanked him around like and unbroken young colt when he was in Chicago. I still think he has high upside as a #9, #1, or #2 hitter. He will be a solid left fielder for them.

In 883 PA’s at AAA Tacoma, which is in the same league (PCL) as Iowa albeit in a different division, Jones had an OBP of .366 and a walk rate of 7.5%. Again, those are pretty good numbers in AAA, and he was a year younger than Pie at the time. There’s a reason why he was a top 5 prospect.

I still think that both of these guys have an upside for OBP of around .335-.355, which would be good numbers since I would project them to hit between .270 – .290 in the majors. Each could be one of the top 10 CF in the game if they hit their potential.

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by fourstick on Mar 18, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately they both play for the O's

so only one of them will be the CF, leaving us with a corner OF in the .750 – .800 OPS range, assuming your best-case scenario of .355 OBPs.

Here is where the particular hell that is the AL East comes in. Much as I might be happy with a .775 OPS corner outfielder if I were a Brewers fan, this is a division that demands not just stars, but superstars … no, make that mother f***ing superstars, to make the playoffs. In other words, I’m hoping against hope that one of these guys really turns it on and becomes a .900 OPS player. But I’m not actually betting any money on that.

Your 2009 Baltimore Orioles: Fifth place, here we come!

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 18, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree...

but look at who the other teams in the division play in LF:

BOS – Jason Bay, Career OPS: .891
NYY – Hideki Matsui, Career OPS: .849; Xavier Nady, OPS+: .793
TOR – Adam Lind, proj OPS: .775; Travis Snider, proj OPS: .800
TBR – Carl Crawford, Career OPS: .765

Although PIe will never steal as many bases as Crawford, he projects to be a plus defender in LF and his upside is a .350 OBP and around .450 slugging, which is pretty much what Crawford brings to the table. If you figure that Jones’ upside is that of BJ Upton (with better defense), that’s a pretty decent outfield when you consider that Markakis is probably the best outfielder in that division over the last two years and they have him locked up through his arbitration years.

It’s not a stretch to say that the Orioles could have the best outfield in the division should Pie and Jones live up to expectations. I think it’s going to be them or the Blue Jays who have Snider, Rios, Wells, and Lind — offensively that outfield is probably better, but it’s horrible defensively so I think that gives the O’s a leg up.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 20, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and now another

mather to skip to albert…

"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd

by SleepyCA on Mar 18, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's good to see

Both of our converted outfielders involved in that one

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by jd is legend on Mar 18, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3

If you go back far enough, that’s three converted outfielders.

by djsmokyc on Mar 18, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Touche

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by jd is legend on Mar 18, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good God

Even their singles are on groundballs. Carp is a groundball machine when he’s on and healthy. Here’s hoping for a stellar and healthy 2009 from him!

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by jd is legend on Mar 18, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

rec'd

well done

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Mar 18, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Darth Carp

Hoping this nickname catches on.

by JWO on Mar 19, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The force is strong in this one

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by jd is legend on Mar 18, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nicknames

Let’s not be too free with those nicknames…some are already taken!

I suppose I could give it up if it would keep him in the lineup all year!

by OldieWan on Mar 18, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drinking game

Take a shot everytime gameday says “ground” or “grounds” while Carpenter is pitching; call an ambulance around the 5th or so.

by mattybobo on Mar 18, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Finish the bottle

when burning worms are mentioned.

by liam on Mar 18, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al needs a mute button

be nice to be able to suppress one commentator during a broadcast. Call it the McCarver button.

by ubeddie on Mar 18, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Those of us who fret, rightly,

about the Cardinal rotation should look for perspective to the O’s, who at this point have identified exactly 2 of their five starters. I expect my 2009 BaltoBirds to be the worst Oriole team of this decade (and that is really saying something).

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 18, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thing is...

they have two really good arms in the minors right now that might be able to help later this season, and they’ll for sure be ready by next year. They also have a great young core of players with Wieters, Jones, Markakis, Pie, and those two young pitchers. If they only had a good young first baseman in the pipeline I’d say they’re looking at a roster similar to the Brewers from a few years ago by 2010.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 18, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the O's...

should have done anything they could to get Texeira this offseason. You take Tex, Roberts, solid D Izzy, and Mora (he’s getting some age but put up decent numbers last year), Wieters, Pie, Jones, and Markakis, and Huff at DH, and you have a pretty solid lineup with speed and some pop that could realy do some damage. I think they should have also been big buyers when the market was low (Looper, Wolf, Pedro) to go along with the 2 starters they have named now. That gives you a rotation that should keep you in ballgames with the offense, and you are only out 43 million (28 million for Tex?, 15 for the pitchers) a year. With the youth on their team, that really doesn’t completely eat up your payroll, and you have a team that could be competitive, and gives a reason for fans to start coming to games again and prep the O’s for the future.

by Jumsy on Mar 18, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

I would make the argument that adding Sabathia would have helped them a lot more. I think their lineup is pretty damn good, assuming Wieters is the real deal and everything I’ve heard about him makes me think he is. They could have bought low to improve their situation at 1B or DH. In fact, Pat Burrell would have made a lot of sense for them as DH with Huff playing 1B, since they really lack a right handed thumper. They could also have bought super low on Nick Johnson and hoped he stayed healthy. He’s a great on-base guy and he’s a GG caliber first baseman, plus, he wouldn’t even have to move!

They need pitching, so Sabathia would have been a better investment.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 20, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff, RB

thanks for Tootle video. His landing looks a bit erratic to me, and if that’s really so, probably contributes to his control coming and going. His follow through, and particularly the trailing leg, differs a whole lot between the fastball and slider. Fun to watch.

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by random on Mar 18, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chad Moeller

Congratulations, you are the first Oriole to hit one in the air off of Chris Carpenter! To end the fifth inning!

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by jd is legend on Mar 18, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Carp...

Is mowing them down. I am slowly but surely allowing myself a bit of room for optimism concerning our favorite injured 2005 Cy Young Award winner.

Help me Obi Carp, you’re my only hope!

by mattisnotfrench on Mar 18, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carp Kenobi?

Counting the days 'till the first pitch.

by IL and StL Fan on Mar 19, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Bittle has Nintendo numbers, Strasburg has typos

59 Ks 5 BBs in 27.1 innings. Obviously the season hasn’t ended but that’s a nifty 19.42 K/9 and 1.64 BB/9. Did I mention he throws 102 with a 93 mph slider?

Boras vs. Nationals is going to be an innnnnnteresting battle. Nationals basically have to sign him after they and Crow botched it last year.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 18, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It'd be fun if you could trade draft picks in baseball...

I’d be really interested to see what one of the bigger market teams would give up for the right to draft Strasburg 1st overall and hand him his blank check.

The thought that I have is that the season is over. And that everybody in the game; a fan, a coach, a player, a manager, front office, scouts...surrender. They say, "that's enough," especially after a game like this. But then Christmas comes, New Years, contracts are signed, trades are made, free agents are signed; and then baseball, like the rose beneath the April snow will force it's way to the front again. And we'll have the fever once more.
-Jack

by Jack618 on Mar 18, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No idea, but that'd create some kinda leverage for agents

How much pressure would there be on you to sign someone if you’ve already given up another top prospect or three/big league player?

As it is, I could easily see Strasburg getting 15 million and wouldn’t even be terribly shocked at 20 if the Nats draft him. They don’t have a choice. I hate his mechanics but you just aren’t going to be able to draft this guy and not sign him without their fanbase freaking out. Draft day + 1 every newspaper is going to be writing Sidd Finch stories, good luck explaining Christian Guzman’s 16 million dollar deal and not Strasburg for say 20 mil/3 years basically.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 18, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They equate Strasburg to Prior in prospect pedigree coming out of college

Obviously it means nothing, but Prior made only 9 starts in the minors in 2002 before making the jump to the majors and posting a 3.32 ERA in 19 starts. Sometimes I forget just how good he should have been.

Oh well. We lost Ankiel (Pitcher Edition), they lost Prior. Guess that’s the way it goes.

by mojowo11 on Mar 18, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right (though I keep reading *better* than Prior......dude throws 102!)

But the fan’s knowledge of prospects among fans has gone way up + the internet makes Strasburg far tougher to walk away from…Prior got 10.2 mil if I remember right.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 18, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt he throws 102

Seems like a definite juiced gun situation. But still, he’s probably in the high-90s. From what I hear, it’s hard to hit things that are moving that fast.

In any case, he’s got nothing on Jake Peavy on the 2008 Royals in MVP ’05:

by mojowo11 on Mar 18, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+100000000

I can’t stop playing it and I bought it when it first came out. I’ve considered buying newer ones, but I’m just afraid they won’t live up to my expectations which were set by MVP 05

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...

by RunninRedbird on Mar 18, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm so addicted to the NHL series I don't even bother buying other games at this point

MVP 05 is still my last baseball game and yes it was out of control good.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 18, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah that is the game I am addicted to now

The shooting takes some practice but after that it is a blast

Stat Whore

by FlimtotheFlam on Mar 18, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think of any sports video game

You have the most control over your players in NHL 09. Now granted some of the AI stuff is crap (the selection for your player switching on defense is horrifyingly bad at times—-I WANTED THE GUY IN FRONT OF HIM NOT THE 2nd FARTHEST GUY BEHIND HIM), the passing can be frustrating where you hit a guy in the stick but it was going to the guy right behind him……..but when you have a player offense or defense you pretty much can do anything a real hockey player can deking shooting spin-o-rama poke checking hitting whatever (outside of jumping the fuckers who dive instead of just tripping over them).

To me it’s easily the best sports game there is, There’s an offense to beat every style of defense and there’s a defense to beat every style of offense. Especially given that EA has actually gotten dedicated to patching the “cheese” goals online it’s just incredible, although there’s still a few out there that haven’t gotten popularized yet…

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 19, 2009 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah,

but it’s hockey. so it’s inherently bad

by STLRegalia on Mar 19, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's a shame

that EA had to switch to college after the whole buying of the rights fiasco

by STLRegalia on Mar 18, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MLB 09 The Show is...(it's hard for me to even say this)...better

Sony has really put together a great game this year. Check it out if you can.

That said, I’m too poor to own my own PS3, so I have MVP 05 on my computer.

by mojowo11 on Mar 18, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’ve got a standard Xbox so I can’t really try the newest ones. College student = no disposable income.

Patiently awaiting the day Colby Rasmus does this: .275/.381/.551/.932, 29HR, in St. Louis...

by RunninRedbird on Mar 18, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I treat Play Station like Pespsi & Miller products

2nd rate to XBox, Coke, & Bud (respectively)

MVP, Madden, & Tiger Woods took up a good chunk of my time in college

I just got a 360 in October, but Madden is the only game I have at this point, I’ll probably go pick up a baseball game since it’s been so long since I’ve tried a new one out

by STLRegalia on Mar 18, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

MLB 09 The Show is very realistic. Although I do miss MVP 05!

....my quick smells like french toast...

by mstreeter06 on Mar 18, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not 102 consistently obviously

But it’s been reported pretty much everywhere that he gets into the 100s with regularity on Stalkers.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 18, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just thinking of that one game this year

Where he was clocked at 102 seven times. I just don’t buy that one. He may very well be able to touch triple digits, I haven’t seen much of him.

by mojowo11 on Mar 18, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I'm replying to myself

Thinking about this, the Nats pretty much have to take him because if they don’t, then that gives the guy they did draft crazy leverage. Are they not going to draft Strasburg then not sign the guy they did draft??? Don’t think so.

This could pretty much blow up the crappy draft system they have in place if the Strasburg hype machine gets reallllly chugging.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 18, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it'll be somewhat compounded

and somewhat mitigated by the fact that the Nats have the #1 and #10 picks this year. They’ll have to budget for both picks, but that second top-ten pick gives them some leverage with the #1 overall.

Or maybe not. This would be an interesting economic study.

"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd

by SleepyCA on Mar 18, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind that 10th pick isn't comped either

So that guy has some extra leverage as well, they’ll almost certainly have to take a pre-draft deal type of guy.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 18, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great outing for Carp

even though it was against the O’s minus Roberts, Mora and Itz2.

by ubeddie on Mar 18, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you say MINUS Iz2?

As if that discounts his performance since Cesar wasn’t in the lineup? If anything, that helps. Freel’s bat at SS made it more impressive.

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by jd is legend on Mar 18, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carp on Gameday

On the boxscore panel:

Groudouts-Flyouts: Carpenter, C 15-1

Wow.

by paposse on Mar 18, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

dang

Skippy has turned into a hitting machine this spring. good leadoff guy!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 18, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You can't post stuff like this, it gets me excited

And then I have to stop myself and remind myself…“If Skip’s good spring so far means anything, then Ludwick’s bad spring also means something. None of it means anything. Deep breaths…”

by mojowo11 on Mar 18, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and now skip gets a hit off of a lefty

and- ahem- brian barton is playing third base? interesting.

"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd

by SleepyCA on Mar 18, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Must be Barden

Didn’t Barton get optioned?

by paposse on Mar 18, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, optioned guys can still play with the big league team

someone who can see the players will haev to clear this up; it’s definitely barton on gameday.

"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd

by SleepyCA on Mar 18, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

he isn’t even on the team and he’s playing out of position! go astronaut!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 18, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sigh

it’s fixed now. It’s barden.

"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd

by SleepyCA on Mar 18, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

La Russa

just really, really enjoys screwing with us.

by liam on Mar 18, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

question

What does “heh” mean? I see you use it a lot and I can’t decide if it means you agree with the person, disagree with the person, are laughing at what was written, or if it is an abbreviation for something. Just curious.

by mike-h on Mar 18, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i believe it is a light chuckle

Chuck Norris hit a Home Run

with his beard

by bearcatcardfan on Mar 18, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A manifestation of absolute hereness, oneness, and collectiveness, as being fully present in the now. A genuine heh is only expressed when a mind is completely clear. Thus, the heh is first and foremost an inner state. For more experienced practitioners, the heh is accompanied by a fleeting euphoric sensation.

The most common physical articulation of the heh involves slight movement of the head, either foreword or backward, accompanied by a facial expression particular to the heh.
During the heh, the jaw drops slightly, causing the lower lip to cover the bottom row of teeth, while the top row remains revealed in most specimens. Although this could appear to create a comedic smile or silly face to an untrained eye, those who practice the heh insist that these misconceptions belie its true meaning.

Although material symptoms of this phenomenon can be confined to the face, head and neck, quite often the heh also involves movement of the arms. In such cases, slightly clenched fists vacillate within inches of the face, and, on occasion, an index finger is extended in the air.

The most unmistakable marker of the heh is its auditory expression from which the term derives its name. Emanating from the top of the throat, the proper pronunciation of the heh utilizes a short vowel sound, and the first is given different emphasis depending upon the speaker. Despite some superficial similarities to the common heh (see other definitions) or eh used to express amusement, indifference or confusion, the heh discussed here is unique in its sound, appearance, and spiritual content.

Although usually brief (2-5 seconds), hehs of surprisingly long duration (35 seconds in one videorecording) have been observed.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 18, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

Wow.

The mid-spring training doldrums have arrived. Opening day cannot come soon enough.

Hang in there, man, you’ll make it!

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 18, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i have no idea what you just said

but i feel the need to rec it

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Mar 18, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew you'd come up with an answer for that

But is it art?
Looking forward to the next avatar. Going to be hard to top Crabman and Marnie, though.

by random on Mar 18, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

let's just pray that day never comes

i don’t know what i’ll do

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Mar 18, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what do you guys think of Manning?

just a good person to replace Miller or Dennys, or should he be on the team?

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 18, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I remain irrationally confident in him

Manning had a 5.14 ERA last year and got kinda knocked around, it’s true. But the difference is that we just want him to be a LOOGY, whereas he was horribly misused on the hapless Nationals:

vs. lefties: 89 PA, .203/.284/.392 (.676 OPS), 23 K, 9 BB
vs. righties: 100 PA, .247/.414/.468 (.882 OPS), 14 K, 22 BB

Sample size, I know, I know. But still.

Manning is not a great pitcher, but he might be a decent LOOGY. He was very effective against lefties last year, but the Nationals actually pitched him more against righties. He was used wrong. I think he’s promising.

by mojowo11 on Mar 18, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

kinney in to close

and a defensive sub at second base. Git’r’dun quick, josh, I’m starving.

"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd

by SleepyCA on Mar 18, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

I’m thinking he’s not the answer to be the closer personally

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 18, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, probably not, now that he gave up an earned run

on an infield single and a stolen base. But in the 27 or so consecutive scoreless innings he pitched before this one, he looked pretty good.

"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd

by SleepyCA on Mar 18, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OF

probably will be at AA this year. The question is – Who is John Galt?

by Toddius on Mar 18, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not sure why

we don’t want to get at least one at-bat in the game for somebody in the group of Thurston/Barden/Ryan (unless I missed it).

by phesto on Mar 18, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

might have something to do

with the planned split squid doubleheader?

by Evilfrog on Mar 18, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Split squid...

sounds messy!

Sometimes I wonder,
"Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"

...and then it hits me!!

by cardzfanbub on Mar 18, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best part of todays box score:

FIELDING
DP: 2 (Greene, K-Schumaker-Pujols, Mather-Schumaker-Pujols).

by Evilfrog on Mar 18, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm going with the Carpenter line

6 innings — no runs — three hits — two ks — no flyballs until the fifth

Sounds pretty great. I’m interested in the Cobbler sideshow, but if Carp is back to his old ways that is really important to this team’s success or lack thereof.

by OCCardsFan on Mar 18, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're so intertwined though

If Carp is back to his old self, he’ll be getting alot of groundballs. He needs a competent defense — Skip included — behind him to gobble those grounders up.

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by jd is legend on Mar 18, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

keep your fingers crossed & rabbit's feet handy if he's our everyday 2ndbaseman

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Mar 18, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also stocking up

on my four-leaf clovers and horseshoes to hang over my door.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 19, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

only if it fel off of a horse and you found it with the open end toward you

its bad luck if you buy them.

Chuck Norris hit a Home Run

with his beard

by bearcatcardfan on Mar 19, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But of course.

You can always find me out in a field, looking for horseshoes with the open facing toward me. How do ya think I find all my four-leaf clovers?

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Mar 19, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just not gonna ask about rabbit's feet.

Not because I’m a vegetarian or something, I just don’t really care for rabbit.

by mattybobo on Mar 20, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats nice

I also like the R H E
                                          BAL 2 7 2
                                          STL 3 6 0

Chuck Norris hit a Home Run

with his beard

by bearcatcardfan on Mar 18, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that 3 should also be bolded

Chuck Norris hit a Home Run

with his beard

by bearcatcardfan on Mar 18, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, looks like motte will be the closer

and wonderbrad might just make the team

by VolsnCards5 on Mar 18, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHAT????

where did you see or hear this?

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Mar 18, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

never mind, found it on the PD

here’s the link for anyone interested

they say it’s nothing serious, there’s no damage to his shoulder, but with this team, youneverknow

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Mar 18, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

anytime u have an authogram its not precautionary

its where they inject you with the dye to find whats up, its all high tech..course with my labrum tear it showed nothing

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Mar 19, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so he won't be pitching any time soon

perfect

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Mar 19, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

May have been said

So the Yankees did not sign there first or second round picks in last years draft….and gave up there first round pick in this years draft?

thats a quick way to wrek you’re farm system…so much for cashman’s “we’re going build up our minor league system” edict…steinbrenner’s win again

by VolsnCards5 on Mar 18, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Youkilis out the rest of the WBC

for those of us that care about this tournament.

Derrek Lee also is sidelined for the Cubs with a elbow soreness. So, Team USA has no 1B left on the roster.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 18, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

can't they reload in between rounds?

I’d much rather have texeira or berkman or mauer make a cameo and keep Dunn at DH.

"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd

by SleepyCA on Mar 18, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

only from the provisional roster.

Longoria is expected to join the team, said he will join the team if asked but they have yet to contact him.

He’s on the roster, though.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 18, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that makes sense.

I could live with wright or longoria playing first base.

"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd

by SleepyCA on Mar 18, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to nit pick

It’s the University of Mississippi, not Ole Miss University.

Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.

by Gregatron on Mar 18, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Your right it is the University of Mississippi. Ole Miss is for the most part, the name of the school but its not ever Ole Miss University. Just Ole Miss will do.

by A Social Skidmark on Apr 6, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

while i agree taking the best player still available

has it’s own merit, i sure wouldn’t mind if the #19 pick addressed a organizationasl need, like middle infield.
even if the skip idea works for 4 yrs and kozma/vazquez are mlb worthy, this club usually carries 4 middle infielders yearly. here’s to hoping there is a middle infielder worthy of a #19 pick, available.

by ball in play on Mar 18, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Organizational Need

is to always have the best players available. You can always trade good cheap talent for whatever you want, if you have enough of it.

That being said, I’m hoping for a starter.

by liam on Mar 18, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

would like to agree

you can always trade good cheap talent for whatever you want.
unless it’s a cardinal outfielder? lol

by ball in play on Mar 18, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Erik's post today at FR might be of interest

if you haven’t been to Future Redbirds today. It addresses best pitcher, best player pan out percentages.

The system lacks an future "ace", but how much does it really matter?

by random on Mar 18, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

About the random posts -

I am just practicing new skills. Sorry to make you all the guinea pigs.

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 18, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nothing wrong

with posting a picture of the mang

by adiueordie on Mar 18, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ever

share the joy

by random on Mar 18, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just saw this on yahoo!
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch’s Bernie Miklasz reports St. Louis Cardinals OF/2B Skip Schumaker has improved enough to where he’ll play second base early in the season, according to Cardinals beat reporter Joe Strauss.

so, bernie says strauss says skip will play second? has tony said this?

by adiueordie on Mar 18, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

somewhere in south florida joe is eating some very hard to swallow crow for supper

BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!

by gdm426 on Mar 18, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he will get the last laugh

Skip will be lucky to be a -15 defender at 2B.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Mar 19, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're playing a game of Telephone

TLR actually said that Skip’s gone as far as he can at second base; he’s going to be the starting third baseman early in the season (either that or “purple monkey dishwasher”).

by BTown Birds fan on Mar 18, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

But Mo did today on the Drive home. Not in those words. But to paraphrase.

“We would be doing skippy an injustices if we ask him to do this and then only give him the 6 weeks in spring training.”

And yesterday the secert weapoon said something to effect of skips Spring carrying over to the first few weeks of the season.

by Evilfrog on Mar 18, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to the stats...

Skip’s Fielding % is up to .923, and climbing (as of 3/19/09). Barring a meltdown, I think we can assume Skip will at least be a mediocre glove-man at the keystone.

by JWO on Mar 19, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh oh

so Perez is having shoulder problems…

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/AEFF986E7538E4B08625757E000A972B?OpenDocument

The club held back Perez from today’s trip to Port Charlotte, marking the second time this week he has been scratched from an assignment.

General manager John Mozeliak and manager Tony La Russa played down the severity of Perez’s condition, which the club terms an impingement related to tendinitis. Perez is scheduled to either appear in a game or throw a bullpen session this weekend. However, pitching coach Dave Duncan allowed nothing is definite as long as Perez has discomfort when raising his arm to a throwing position.

Dont take me seriously :-D
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by jealousblues on Mar 19, 2009 2:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i love dave duncan

but he looks like the grim reaper in that picture.

"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd

by SleepyCA on Mar 19, 2009 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

Perez having problems in ST is extremely worrisome regarding his future. Impingement is not a good word. That said Motte has pretty clearly established himself as the best closer option there is, but it never hurts to have another guy pumpin 97 out there.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Mar 19, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the second I heard the word shoulder

i pretty much made myself forget all about Perez.

Dont take me seriously :-D
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by jealousblues on Mar 19, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scott Biddle

Biddle is the Sunday starter now for Ole Miss. The last 2 games against LSU and today agains Kentucky, he has pitched 13 innings. He has given up 1 run, 4 hits, and has struck out 20. Thats pretty good for a junk pitcher with a bad arm. And if Im not mistaken, he doesnt miss a chance to pitch. When he is called on to pitch, he is ready. I just dont see the arm problem. Last year he wasnt a 1 inning closer. He was middle relief and closer combined. He would come in in the 6-7-8 inning and finish the game. Whatever he throws is something that alot of baseball players are having alot of trouble with.

by A Social Skidmark on Apr 5, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The game agains Kentucky is over. Biddle pitched a complete game, 3 hitter. He struck out 13 and walked none.

by A Social Skidmark on Apr 5, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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