40 Men Enter, 25 Men Leave
Everybody saw the Barton cut coming, except maybe the Play Like a Cardinal people, but now that it's actually happened the weirdness of the potential 2009 roster comes into sharper relief.
There are three—and this is the scientific term—points of weirdness, as far as I can tell. Three places where the likely construction of the roster comes into stark conflict with the realities of the roster at this moment.
#1: Long Relief: It's not always necessary to have the long reliever; it usually just means that a team has one relief pitcher it odes not trust at all in high-leverage roles, which for the Cardinals, of late, has been WonderBrad and his wild-looking fastball. But the way the roster is shaping up, the Cardinals are going to have one too many right-handed set-up men:
| LEFT | RIGHT |
| 1. Trever Miller 2. Dennys Reyes |
3. Ryan Franklin 4. Kyle McClellan 5. Chris Perez 6. Jason Motte 7. Josh Kinney |
That strikes me as the best bullpen the Cardinals could come north with, and a pretty satisfying one given last season's adventures. But it probably won't happen. Goold, on this topic, suggests that Thompson is a shoo-in, which makes sense since I'd be stunned if La Russa actually moved Franklin to long relief, which is where a guy with his stamina belongs in a bullpen constructed like this. But Motte's dominant Spring performance—not just the ten strikeouts, but the zero walks—seems like it's forced the Cardinals' hand.
Do the Cardinals go north, then, with one of La Russa's favorite early-season affectations? Let's assume, for purposes of this entry, that they do, and WonderBrad joins the list above. Moving forward, we have the second and third points of weirdness.
#2: Utility Infield; #3 Too Many Outfielders: Here's the fearless prediction portion of our afternoon. I think to get this increasingly strange situation right you have to take these two roster crunches at once. Here's a table—this assumes the Cardinals will carry four backups, plus the opening day third baseman and minus Jason LaRue, whose spot is guaranteed unless the Cardinals' Matt Pagnozzi fetish reaches new heights.
| INFIELD | OUTFIELD |
| 1. Joe Mather 2. Joe Thurston 3. Brendan Ryan |
1. Colby Rasmus? 2. Joe Mather 3. Joe Thurston |
I'm stunned, honestly, to see Rasmus on the Major League Grapefruit squad at this late date, especially in a post-Barton world. But with Jon Jay as his only remaining competition for the Duncan's-legs position, Rasmus seems to have an inside position on the So Taguchi Memorial 100 games/300 at-bats roster spot unless Schumaker finally loses his grip on second base.
From there, the backup situation gets stranger and stranger. It makes one yearn for a manager willing to do away with the backup catcher role—if Molina were to get hurt, La Russa could Be La Russa like no one ever has ever Been La Russa before, and sub in Jason Motte for him until the second catcher was recalled from AAA. But instead, for the purposes of this prognostication, I think he'll just alternate between Thurston and Mather as de facto fifth outfielders.
World Baseball Classic action today: the United States plays Puerto Rico in a winner-takes-all game at six, and Japan brings out Yu Darvish to put the hurt on South Korea at ten. I'm excited to see Darvish pitch—five years from now, when some team is offering $70 million and a PTBNL to negotiate with the Nippon Ham Fighters for his services, I'll be able to put a fastball to the name.
Post-script: As far as the Play Like a Cardinal commercials go, I like "Does NL MVP Albert Pujols Have a Secret Identity?", "Fredbird Makes a Disappointing Lunchtime Discovery", and "Skip Schumaker Models the Latest Baseball Superstition." They're not at Mariners level yet, but I like that the Cardinals have gone in that direction.
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Thompson>Motte?
WTF?
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by vivaelpujols on Mar 17, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
either waay
wtf?
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by vivaelpujols on Mar 17, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
If Thompson bumps one of these two to the minors, it just doesn’t make much sense
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but
I think it is all a movable feast, that is who goes down can come up soon, or others fill in. There are several possibilities as we go into the season, Blake, P,J. Todd, etc. I don’t regard the opening day roster as definitive, just what it is for the moment, and with flexibility for change.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Mar 18, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rasmus
If thats his role then he belongs in Triple A.
by njnick on Mar 17, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
thats right. If he isnt going to start
its not worth wasting a year of arb to have him be a 4th OF
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by jealousblues on Mar 17, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not send Perez
Down to AAA for a bit? He’s struggled some this spring. I’m sure we’ll need him at some point.
And I’m all for not letting Thompson just walk. He won’t clear waivers, and he has value. He is probably the 6th or 7th starting pitcher option, God forbid something happen to one or more of our starters. He really is perfect for the long-relief, spot-start, mop-up role.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on Mar 17, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Perez than Thompson
but agree with you that Perez could use a little more marinating in the minors
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem
TLR has openly stated that Kyle McClellan is the no. 6 starter. He will start the season in the ‘pen and if any health problems come about, McClellan will take the ball every fifth day. From yesterday’s P-D:
Characterized as insurance should any starter miss time during camp, Kyle McClellan is scheduled to make a final start Wednesday, against Baltimore. McClellan then will join a bullpen that added free-agent lefthander Dennys Reyes 11 days ago.
This makes me wonder why we need a “long reliever.” If that need presents itself early, wouldn’t we want our “insurance” to get a two- or three-inning outing? Don’t we want McClellan to fill that role? If so, we have no need for Das WunderBrad.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 17, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are they going to make
Thompson into a different type of reliever? or is he just going to hang out and be the back-up mascot?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which makes Thompson completely
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
His role can be filled by other, more highly skilled pitchers. There is no need for Brad Thompson on the 2009 St. Louis Cardinals. Our bullpen does not need a AAAA arm when it could be filled with MLB arms.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 17, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who?
What if Carp goes down, and Pineiro stinks? What if a reliever or two go down?
We don’t have THAT many ML ready arms. Boggs. Maybe Hawksworth. Who else?
Keeping Thompson, at least for a few months, is the PRUDENT thing to do.
"Stats are for losers," Muschamp said after last week's victory. "I like winning games."
by SoonerfanTU on Mar 17, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boggs. Maybe Hawksworth. Who else?
Clayton Mortensen
Jess Todd
Adam Ottavino
(and Jamie Garcia looks to get a few starts in Memphis in August, coming off of TJ)
With McClellan available to go to the rotation, I think Brad is surplus; however, the Cards probably want to wait a month just to make sure Carp is OK. If Carp goes down early and McClellan goes to the rotation, that would negate our #6 starter for nearly a full season. Thompson is really the #7 starter right now.
If I had to bet, I think Perez goes to Memphis to close and work on his control. If any right-handed pitcher gets hurt (starter or reliever), Perez comes up. If a few months go by and everybody is still healthy, then I think Perez comes up and they DFA Thompson. Sorry Brad … but you know a pitcher invariably goes down so odds are that Brad sticks on the Cards roster for 1 more season. Next year, he’s toast. Boggs or Todd or Ottavino will supplant him.
by jjray on Mar 17, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ottavino is not anywehere close to ML ready.
by azruavatar on Mar 17, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do you know?
kmac pitched how many innings in AA and then was miraculously pole vaulted to the majors? Ottavino’s problem is control. If he shows signs of having solved that in Springfield or Memphis for a few months, then he is no less qualified than KMac was at the start of last season to jump up and take some starts in the majors.
by jjray on Mar 17, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KMac is the exception, not the rule
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KMac had 4 major league pitches (FB, SL, CU, CB)
Ottavino has a fastball and a slider. It’s poor evaluation to judge ottavino on the 10-odd innings he’s thrown this spring. He was pretty terrible last year (be that from injury or something else).
It should tell you something that your descriptor for KMac is “miraculously” because these things don’t happen often. It would be foolhardy for the Cardinals to count Ott as a ML ready arm.
by azruavatar on Mar 18, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not "count"
in the discussion. Ottavino has added a 2 seamer. That’s important in the D. Duncan universe. It’s reasonable to put him in the discussion of emergency help in STL. I’m not fond of black & white pronouncements. Life nor baseball are rarely that way. To completely write off Ottavino with “a long way off” is unwarranted. Granted unlikely but no reason to make a blanket statement. D. Duncan has a way of latching on to a player (KMac and Mort are examples). I think Ott has got Duncan’s attention. If he puts up good numbers in Springfield and earns a quick promotion to Memphis … .
by jjray on Mar 18, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've been trying to get Ottavino to throw
a 2-seamer since 2007. Wasn’t your pronouncement of him being ready just as black and white. I don’t really care if Ottavino has Duncan’s attention; that doesn’t mean he’s ready for the big show.
Your comment seemed exceedingly optimistic in it’s view of several prospects. I’m not sure why you’re taking such umbrage over an opposing opinion.
by azruavatar on Mar 19, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying Ottavino doesn't need more seasoning...
I think he does. In fact, I think he’ll end up in Springfield and is two years away from the Show (if he makes it).
But when did KMac become a sure thing (this is an earnest question)? Doesn’t he have like 70 innings in the majors? I remember him being good in the first part of the year and then terrible later. Everyone chalked it up to “overuse” or being tired or whatever, but maybe he’s just not that good. I hope he is, but I haven’t seen enough to say that he’s without-a-doubt a good, reliable option to start or relieve.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 18, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe a lot of the...
accolades for KMac are based on his arsenal not just his accomplishments. Still yet your concern is valid.
Sometimes I wonder,
"Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"
...and then it hits me!!
by cardzfanbub on Mar 18, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a starter
I wouldn’t call him a sure thing. As a reliever, I have less qualms with that argument. He’s got a good repertoire although I should admit that I wasn’t that high on him entering last season. I’m not sure he’s as good as he showed the first part of last season but I think he’s an ML reliever.
by azruavatar on Mar 19, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the rotation?
We have both K-Mac and Boggs to go into the rotation. Don’t forget Pedro. We’ll just move him from closer to starter.
Oh wait…
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because we burnt k-mac out entirely by the second week in august last year.
bouncing him back and forth between starting and relieving seems like a perfect way to burn him up even earlier.
i would much rather carry one fewer infielder and have eight relievers.
by tom s. on Mar 17, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at our bullpen
Franklin, Motte, Kinney, Perez, and McClellan can all handle the duties that K-Mac was asked to perform last season. Granted, one of them will close, but that still leaves three additional arms to fill late inning appearances. McClellan’s work load should be less, which would allow him to be deployed in those starts where Pineiro a starter doesn’t make it that deep. Eight relievers would be unnecessary, although I wouldn’t put it past TLR.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 17, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but we also have a carpenter who is recovering from years of inactivity, who is
replacing a braden looper who bore a large portion of the innings last year. if anything, the bullpen’s load will increase.
and you’re talking about having him take on the load absorbed by boggs, parisi, garcia, and thompson last year, not simply the role he had. that’s a different role and a different load.
by tom s. on Mar 17, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last Season
In relief, Boggs, Parisi, Garcia, and Thompson accounted for 41 appearances and threw 65.2 innings. As starters, that foursome accounted for 15 starts (Thompson started 6 of those).
Kyle McClellan appeared in 68 games and threw 75.2 innings as a reliever. That was the second-most innings thrown by a Cardinal reliever, the year after McClellan was removed from missing significant time due to an arm injury.
I’m saying that I think our starting rotation will be closer to then NL average of giving a quality start 54% of the time, rather than the 48% we did last year. I think our ‘pen will throw fewer innings than last season. This, plus the quality of our pitchers, IMO, means that the bullpen will be better than in 2008 and that TLR won’t have to rely on McClellan as heavily as he did in 2008.
I believe that Brad Thompson is unnecessary on the 2009 Cards. We can do better than that. He made 20 appearances in relief, threw 35.1 innings, and had a .289 BAA. He made 6 spot starts and gave up an OPSA of .804 in those games. I’m saying, with the arms available, we don’t need a worse than mediocre pitcher in our bullpen.
McClellan can easily fill Thompson’s role as a spot starter/reliever. Especially when augmented by our AAA pitchers getting a spot start, as we did last season. I think McClellan could be the sixth and seventh inning man, complimenting this role. Mitchell Boggs looked good in ST, as did Ottavino. I don’t think that McClellan will fill his relief role last year, Brad Thompson’s role last year, and all of the innings by our AAA spot starters. I think that the 2009 bullpen as a whole and the AAA spot starters can do the job without Brad Thompson taking up a roster spot.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 17, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't agree.
Iām saying that I think our starting rotation will be closer to then NL average of giving a quality start 54% of the time, rather than the 48% we did last year. I think our āpen will throw fewer innings than last season.
what makes you say this? again, braden looper was not a great pitcher but he put in more than 6 innings a game on average. i don’t have any way of gauging how carpenter will do, but i’m concerned he will lag behind in either the number of starts or the number of innings thrown (or both). maybe he comes out and pitches 34 games and 230 innings, but I don’t think we can pencil that in yet.
don’t ignore that we don’t know how durable the other arms in the pen are yet — i’m not putting serious money on kinney and motte and perez to throw 70 innings each.
by tom s. on Mar 17, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Health is critical
As an aside, you should look at MRCARD’s fanpost on qaulity starts.
Looper was last on the staff in quality start percentage, behind even El Pineiro, at 45. Pineiro was second-worst at 48. I think that we will easily meet Looper’s 15 quality starts with the starters we have to replace him. I think that Carp will account for at least half of Looper’s quality starts. I think that Wainwright’s injury last season was a fluke and that he will be closer to 20 quality starts, as in 2007, than the mere 12 he mustered in 2008. I think Lohse will give us about 20 quality starts again and I think The Colonel will be in the 15 range again. El Pineiro, I’m not sure. But, I think Boggs is much-improved and will be better if he is needed this season.
As for the rookies, they don’t need to each throw 70 innings. If we have that many bullpen innings to throw, we are in serious trouble. Only two relievers threw more than 51 innings last season. Franklin made 74 appearances which consisted of 78.2 innings and McClellan threw 75.2 innings over 68 appearances. (Springer made 70 appearances, but threw 51.1 innings.) The question is whether or not we think that Kinney, Motte, and Perez can each throw 50 to 60 innings. I’d put serious money on that since Perez threw 66 between Memphis and St. Louis last season and Motte threw 77.2 innings between AAA and MLB. I’d say those last 11 IP in the bigs were relatively effective what with the 16 Ks, 3 BB, and 0.82 ERA. Whether Kinney can come back is a legitimate question, but I think he can give us about 50 quality innings as well.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 17, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Pineiro will probably do a little better this year
but I wouldn’t bet on it
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't agree on the quality start issue.
you’d be better off looking at the raw IP numbers or total starts. if looper’s QS numbers were offset by a bunch of 4-run seven-inning games, then he didn’t tax the bullpen, even if he wasn’t effective. he pitched 199 innings — more than anyone but lohse.
The projections of innings for this year indicate we need as many hands on deck as possible. and somebody still has to pitch 1400 innings, starter or bullpen, quality or no.
by tom s. on Mar 17, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Rasmus wins job
Agreed that there are many ways that this could play out. It appears to me that it either comes down to Duncan or Rasmus as has been discussed all pre-season. I lean toward Rasmus for the following reasons.
The most obvious reason that Rasmus gets the nod is because of his defense, but aside from that I find it very difficult to construct a sensible line-up without having Rasmus in there. If Schumaker makes this team as the 2nd baseman then I think Rasmus plays and I think that Schumaker is going to make it.
I think Schumaker leads off, Ankiel hits second, Greene hits seventh in front of the pitcher and Rasmus hits 9th in the second leadoff spot. Molina could hit in any of those spots but he lacks speed and speed is really needed in all four of those spots so I think he hits sixth.
Schumaker
Ankiel
Pujols
Ludwick
Glaus – Mather
Molina
Greene
Pitcher
Rasmus
by Warcard on Mar 17, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3 Straight Lefties, then 5 or maybe even 6 straight righties counting the pitcher
Makes it two easy for the other team’s manager to go lefty-lefty and righty-righty after the starter is out, IMHO.
by VinegarBend on Mar 17, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
and TLR loves the L-R-L-R orders
by STLRegalia on Mar 17, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duncan will play more than Rasmus
and at this point deservingly so
by STLRegalia on Mar 17, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
question...
what is Dunc’s option status? Does he have one left? If not, then there’s no doubt who makes the team if we have to choose between Raz and CDunc.
Sometimes I wonder,
"Why is that frisbee getting bigger?"
...and then it hits me!!
by cardzfanbub on Mar 17, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
personal observation
watching peanut play second on sunday and monday leaves me thinking he has a ways to go. in his present state he is simply not ready to play 2nd at the major league level. not that he can’t be at some point, but he simply wasn’t given a fair amount of time to make the transition.
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by sportsman on Mar 17, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe they'll limit his playing time there this season
sounds like a pretty big gamble, but I guess there’s a lot of uncontrollable factors in baseball anyway
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But now that Oquendo...
can be in st with Schu, I expect to see some major improvements soon.
by Jumsy on Mar 18, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where
is this “Peanut” thing coming from?
by liam on Mar 18, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno
but I knew exactly what he was talking about. he kinda looks like a peanut
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 18, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does he wear a monacle and a top hat?
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
by Tackle Box on Mar 18, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another unknowable factor
here is what kind of conversations Mozeliak is having with other GMs. Inquiring minds want to know!
by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 17, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
unless he's talking to the Rocks, i doubt we'll hear anything
MO likes to keep that kind of info on the down low, and i can’t say that i blame him.
listening to YP this morning he still thinks he has just as good of a chance as anyone to close. that’s a great attitude to have & i hope he can keep it even if he starts the season at Memphis. i honestly don’t know what’s the best move for the opening day roster. we still have almost 3 weeks left & i would hope every thing will work itself out. if the season started today though, i think Colby should still be in Memphis. i don’t think it does him or the team any good if he’s not playing every day. i can’t chose right now who stays or who goes in the pen. i really think we need a long man in the pen, and it’s pretty clear that’s not going to be Frank. but if you are asking me to chose between YP, Apple Sauce & PK. i can’t. i just can’t. i think we need all three of those guys. but i’m not sure of the best way to get each of them on the roster without making a trade or someone getting hurt.
btw, here’s YP’s interview from this morning in case you want to listen for yourself. it’s about a 10min interview and after he’s done you can stop listening because they start talking calls & it’s really not worth listening to. just more typical uneducated St. Louis callers. i don’t know where they find those people, but holy crap do they suck.
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson AND THAT'S A WINNER!
by gdm426 on Mar 17, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think TLR
will carry as many pitchers as possible. 34 games in the first 35 days and with so many multiple position guys he can afford to rotate for freshness
by STLRegalia on Mar 17, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
think like TLR
king of the rotating ballplayers!
mather and skip are/were OFs in 08
some days he wants the bench util INFs to play (thurston, ryan, whomever), Skip and Mather can play OF
by rmtx97 on Mar 17, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shifts
I think that you are going to see Thurston come in at 2B for the late innings quite a bit in close games. You may also see Ryan replaces Mather at 3B. Then, depending on the opposing pitcher, either the righthanded Mather or lefthanded Skip will stay in to play LF.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 17, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
right
so that allows more rotation, more batters to play
which allows another RP spot, so TLR can have Thompson and Perez
so if you wanted to play fun math, you COULD have Barden, Thurston and Ryan on your bench with Skip and Mather as your 4th and 5th OFs
by rmtx97 on Mar 17, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
almost forgot
when Glaus shows back up and/or the Skip 2B exp fails, TLR can throw bench INF guys back to Memphis and have Mather and Skip on his bench.
by rmtx97 on Mar 17, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather wait to bring up Rasmus until midseason
but since Barton is now in AAA, I’d rather let him make the team than Jay I guess, although that doesn’t seem that fair.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe your on to something
Nobody wants Rasmus to come up and sit the bench, so maybe they have Jay join the big league club as an extra OF and let Rasmus get his AB’s in AAA?
by STLRegalia on Mar 17, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't want jon jay to sit on the bench, either.
If we’re going to do the “extra outfielder” thing it should be someone who is done developing, like stavinoha. or barry bonds.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
by SleepyCA on Mar 17, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
why start John Jay’s clock running this early? still don’t get why they didn’t just keep Barton
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just can't wait to actually see Rasmus play.
He’s been one of those “top 15 prospects” for, what, 4 years now? I’m excited to see what he brings to the organization, and, quite frankly, I think our outfield needs a little more help.
Stop the Jay-trade talks!! Just stop it!! -Mike Clark
by papigrande on Mar 17, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to ...
…pitch like Bruce Sutter—then you have to be like Bruce Sutter.
Hint…Motte learn a splitfinger fastball…Hint
by BigJawnMize on Mar 17, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My beard itches...
…good that means its workin.
Best commercial of the bunch.
by BigJawnMize on Mar 18, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By Cracky!
Getting two tickets to an execution is like getting two tickets to NASCAR, except you KNOW Jeff Gordon's gonna die.
by Tackle Box on Mar 18, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and PS
this is probably my favorite post by you Dan! it is all sparkly with nuance, and whatnot
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I had to write it in prose today
to keep the site balanced. Which is a shame, because I was fond of the limerick version.
by DanUpBaby on Mar 17, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
it could have used a leprechaun as well
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but it was quite subtle
but not so much that I couldn’t figure out what was going on
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
Is DanUp saying that we will carry 13 pitchers into the season?
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
by Titus Pullo on Mar 17, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, I gotta say, that's pretty brilliant
They don’t want to lose Thompson. And they can’t send down Motte. And they want to keep Perez.
Answer: Carry 13 pitchers and utilize the fact that we’ve got two outfielders pretending to play in-field.
Problem solved. Not bad!
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
by Titus Pullo on Mar 17, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
we have a very strenuous start to the season like last year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and by that I mean we play like 34 games in 33 days or something like that
I took the what philosopher are you quiz last night and it said Kant
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and now it says I'm Dr. Manhatten
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for pete's sake put some pants on man! this is a family blog!
BEN MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH SHEETS
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by gdm426 on Mar 18, 2009 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprised nobody's mentioned it...
I’m pretty sure in the ad where Fredbird is icing his arm, one of Lohse/Wellemeyer asks the other “so we’re pretty much BFF now, right?”
This was my favorite part of the commercials other than Wainwright’s comedic perfection in the “Secret Identity” spot.
by mattybobo on Mar 17, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welle
makes the BFF comment and Lohse replies, “Pretty much.” It is definitely the best part of that whole spot.
by cardsgirl95 on Mar 17, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that comercial was great
Dont take me seriously :-D
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by jealousblues on Mar 17, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
in case anyone missed it
bleed cubbie blue is reviewing the cardinals today
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ugh...
when you don’t link it i have to type all those letters in myself…jeez…what fun is the internet if you have to do all of that work?
"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." - Red Barber
by nomar34 on Mar 17, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude,
you were ALL OVER that Bleed Cubbie Bleed thread. And no one started any “Cards Suck” stuff with you. I’m impressed.
by cardsgirl95 on Mar 17, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do handle myself well
most of the time
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You were a fitting envoy for VEB.
by cardsgirl95 on Mar 17, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that Barton icon new?
Is this your form of a protest? If so, I heard it, but I regret to inform you that I’m not important at all.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Mar 18, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
it’s old, and I forgot to change it last night, so it will have to remain there til later tonight. and yeah, I protest Barton being sent to the minors.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 18, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In response
I have trouble understanding why the Cubs are supposed to be a juggernaut this year. Do I think they will be better than the Cardinals? Sure. But outside of Ramirez and Soto, they are weaker at every position this year than the Cardinals. We have a better LF’er offensively in Duncan, a better CF’er all around in Ankiel, a better RF’er in Ludwick, a better 2B offensively in Skippy, the best player in the world in Pujols and Greene will likely outplay Theriot this year as well.
Their pitching could be outstanding and that may be what gives them the distinct edge.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that sounds about right.
which means their season more or less hangs on the health of zambrano and harden, and the continued effectiveness of dempster. not unlike our dependence on carp’s health and the continued effectiveness of lohse.
gotta give our bullpen the edge, though.
by tom s. on Mar 17, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
sometimes, you really can be a voice of reason!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't you selling Yadi a little bit short?
Soto had a fine year last year, but it wasn’t in line with his career numbers at all. I’ll take the whole package (defense, pitching staff handling, etc) of Yadi over Soto every time.
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Yadi, too, but...
Soto has will OPS over .800 this year, and the next, and the next…
Yadi will OPS maybe .750. Maybe. And will hit 25 fewer HRs than Soto will this season.
Also, as to handling the staff, the Cubs had the fifth-best ERA in all of MLB last season. The Cards had the fourteenth-best ERA. I don’t think that either Soto or Yadi had that much of an impact on those results, but you can’t discount them if you truly believe that the catcher has a great effect on a staff’s performance.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 17, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "handling pitching staff" criterion is more of a hearsay thing
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
regarding the pitchers
you’d have to know how they would have pitched to a replacement-level catcher in order to compare the ERA’s between catchers. Just looking at ERA’s tells you nothing about the catchers’ isolated effects on pitching performance.
Which is the whole issue with trying to evaluate catchers sabermetrically.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
by SleepyCA on Mar 17, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So there is no chance Soto will be injured?
Or that he will have a near .750 OPS like he did in Iowa in 05 and 06? I am not saying that Yadi will be better offensively, he probably won’t, but I don’t like when people talk as if things are forgone conclusions before the season even starts.
"People call me El Hombre," Pujols said. "But only Stan is the Man."
by StLHugo on Mar 18, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
if Soto gets injured, Yadi will be better than he is.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 18, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade Yadi
straight up for Soto anyday. Apparently, Oquendo would too as Yadi is the 3rd string catcher on Team Puerto Rico behind Soto and Pudge.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Mar 17, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are egos and reputations to be managed.
I don’t know if Yadi or Soto is better, but at this point I would play either over Pudge, just on performance. But dissing Pinero is different from dissing a future HOF.
Counting the days 'till the first pitch.
by IL and StL Fan on Mar 17, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I think Oquendo was trying to help Pudge get a job – and it worked.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Mar 17, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and keep Yadda healthy
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by gdm426 on Mar 18, 2009 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think
Soriano will outproduce Duncan?
by Toddius on Mar 17, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not offensively
if duncan is healthy. Depending on how soriano does defensively, and how healthy he is, he might still be the better player overall.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
by SleepyCA on Mar 17, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Duncan is healthy?
No, offensively.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Dunk is healthy & gets 500+ AB's, he'll be better. i guarantee it.
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by gdm426 on Mar 18, 2009 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both of them know how to hit straight fastballs a mile
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by jd is legend on Mar 18, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they both look retarded in the OF
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 18, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please
I believe they prefer to be called “little people”
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by jd is legend on Mar 18, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
they also lost their closer
and I don’t care what anyone else thinks, Marmol / Gregg will not be as good as Wood was last year.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Mar 18, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
the main change they’ve made in the pen is replacing Wood with Gregg.
I reckon, all other things being equal (i.e. Wood’s arm doesn’t fall off) he’s probably as much as 1 win better than gregg. That’s a pretty big loss.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 18, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Theriot
I expect him to completely fall off a cliff this year. I’m talking sub 650 OPS with horror-show defense.
by liam on Mar 18, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FanGraphs says that if you take out his substantial luck in 2008
You turn this line: .307/.387/.359 (.745 OPS)
Into this line: .266/.348/.309 (.657 OPS)
DIE THERIOT DIE!
by mojowo11 on Mar 18, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
K Greene PTBNL
Did I miss the player to be named later? I would have figured this trade to be completed by now. Maybe the end of spring training.
I wonder if the Cards have to show some of the possibilities to the Padres. Surely that’s not why Salas finished the game the other day.
by Youneverknow on Mar 17, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm going to revise some of my prior comments. i had previously said that
thurston doesn’t make sense on the squad as a leftie, because he couldn’t really platoon with skip. but now that i actually check his stats, he had no platoon split, at all, last year. which is crazy. that will teach me just to talk out of my butt without checking actual stats.
so, i revise my statements. we’ll keep four men solely as OF – razza, ank, ludwick, duncan. we’ll keep mather, skip, thurston, pujols, and k. greene in the middle infield. i think the sensible question then is whether we take ryan or barden up north, and carry an eighth reliever, or if we carry both of them and a seven-man bullpen.
i’d go for the eight-man and one of ryan or barden — probably barden. i think of tyler greene as only tangentially in the running here.
by tom s. on Mar 17, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it took me a while to warm up to Barden
but yeah, I actually think he should make the team… I really don’t think Tyler Greene will make the team
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Tyler Greene
will start at SS at AAA and have the potential to be called up if someone goes down. I don’t know who makes the team b/w Barden and Ryan, or what you do with whoever doesn’t. That will be an interesting decision.
by Toddius on Mar 17, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
what happens to Ryan if Barden makes the team is the question
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does barden have an option?
I don’t think he does, but I could be wrong. I know ryan is out of options. I’m not sure either would get picked up if waived, though.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
by SleepyCA on Mar 17, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do september callups use options?
i didn’t think they did. barden should still have options.
by adiueordie on Mar 17, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not the callup itself
but the fact that he didn’t make the team in the spring forced his team to use an option each year after he was added to the 40-man.
I think this is how we claimed Barden from Az in the first place. I’m pretty sure we snuck him through waivers last year, even.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
by SleepyCA on Mar 17, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
i should have thought of that.
he was only called up in 07 and 08, so he should still have one option left.
by adiueordie on Mar 17, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you are right
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
by SleepyCA on Mar 17, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and there's this, from wikipedia
If a player is on the 40-man roster and not the active 25 man roster for any part of more than three seasons (in which he spent 20 or more total days of service in the minors), he is out of options and may not be assigned to the minors without first clearing waivers.
this is also why duncan still has an option, because when he was sent down last year, he spent less than 20 days in memphis.
by adiueordie on Mar 17, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does it matter?
Prospectively, I don’t know that it matters whether Ryan or Barden sticks. Either will probably serve their purpose (UTIL infielder, maybe RH option at 2B or late inning defensive replacement for Schu (if he sticks at 2B)).
I bet Thompson stays and Perez goes down to work on control issues. Perez has talent but I don’t think it’s beyond obvious that he couldn’t be helped by some further time in Memphis. He hasn’t lit it up this spring. Once someone goes down (injury or ineffectiveness) in the bullpen, then bring him back up.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Mar 17, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That fredbird lunch video is great
I know it super simple and somewhat expected, but the simplicity is hilarious, and Kyle’s expression is perfect.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Mar 17, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I listened to lboros being interviewed on the radio just now about the MSP
It was weird. I was not aware that he had a voice.
by mojowo11 on Mar 17, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just an eye
And wonderful, written insight.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Mar 17, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what radio? what does MSP stand for?
clarification please,
by azruavatar on Mar 17, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maple Street Press?
I dunno
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also heard him
on our local sports talk show in Columbia, called the Closers.
Larry was talking about MSP. I agree. It was interesting to hear him say the same things he used to type. It was interesting.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on Mar 18, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and for usa
derosa in left, dunn in right.
i think they got mixed up there?
by adiueordie on Mar 17, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good
makes it easier for us to win!
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
and it makes it less easy for him to get injured
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
head first slide in to home plate
skip is tipping his hat to david wright
by adiueordie on Mar 17, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lilly has had location problems
hopefully Team USA’s bullpen can hold the PR to less than 2 runs the final 5 innings.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and carlos delgado.
"i have a feeling the answers are bigger than the questions" -Dr Heyward Floyd
by SleepyCA on Mar 17, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Beltran
robs a HR.
I don’t like the direction this one is heading.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Zambrano
“the ugly Carlos?”
</obvious>
by liam on Mar 18, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
was thinking "the psycho Carlos"
but “ugly” works, too!
by random on Mar 18, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
him starting at shortstop instead of jimmy rollins is craaaazy.
by adiueordie on Mar 17, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Rick Sutcliffe told me Jetes will always find a way to get it done "are you kidding me"
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Mar 17, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man
is Rollins almost twice as good as Jeter? sheesh
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson should know better
His intangibles can’t rub off on the other players so quicklybesides, he needs the synergy with Yankee Mystique to really elevate the play of those around him.
by liam on Mar 18, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeter pouted on Sunday
wouldn’t talk to the press because he wasn’t in the lineup until Chipper got hurt, and was still miffed he was only DH’ing.
I have to believe that is why Rollins is DH because it makes no sense. Late in the game, I want Rollins at SS…not Jeter (who just missed a groundball). But they can’t do that with him at DH.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What a fucking leader
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Mar 17, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did you hear that? Link?
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was on the broadcast
even Suttcliffe was talking about it.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah ok
Just flipped over. If even Sutcliffe is down on Jeter, then it must be serious.
Kinda makes you wonder the real reasons why he’s still at SS in NY and ARod is at 3B, no?
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he's very popular
and very expensive.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 18, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No runs would have scored
if Rollins was in. He’d have kept it on the infield and that groundball would have ended in the inning.
Grumble.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Astros sign Pedro
press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that signing and the Pudge signing might push them down to the 90-95 loss range!
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4th place here they come!
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Mar 17, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Send Victorino?
Push the envelope?
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why have him be at 2nd with none out, when you can put him at 2nd with one out?
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He only stole 73
bases over the last two seasons!
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just having yadi on the bench
makes opposing players afraid to run.
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by SleepyCA on Mar 17, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that was funny
Pan to the crowd to see the guy with the “Irish” t-shirt on chanting “U-S-A!” and draped in an American flag. Same for the guy dressed like a leprechaun.
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Off topic
Watching the “fake-to-third, throw-to-first” move, when is the last time a pitcher picked a runner off of third? Not sure how to look that up.
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably when Rick Sutcliffe did it for the first time back in 1984
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Mar 18, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That said
In first and third situations it does allow the defensive team to sometimes get a look at what the runners and batter are doing. The batter may give away a squeeze play or the runner on first may make a jump towards second.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Mar 18, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, fourstick
It’s a play that’s a lot easier to see and appreciate at the park.
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by random on Mar 18, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good play, Brian Roberts
Every time Skip doesn’t get to that ball this season, I’ll think of what it would be like to have a real 2B like Roberts, who out-fields and out-hits Skip…
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What do you think the over/under is
on number of balls Skip won’t field that a “real 2B” would field?
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Mar 17, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds about right to me
and that is how many runs?
I think we will find that Skip may improve his ability to actually make plays, but I don’t think he will ever have much range. His legs flail around a lot, but he doesn’t cover much ground. I watched the game Saturday and he made a diving play to his left that Kennedy, maybe even Grit, would have made standing up.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Mar 17, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
72 is a hell of a lot
even over a full season – Schu probably won’t play a full season as he’s unlikely to start vs lefties.
If he boots 72 that an average 2B would make, he’ll be excrementally bad.
Because chicks dig the intentional base on balls.
by Felonius_Monk on Mar 18, 2009 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not boot
just not getting to balls, not making strong enough throws, etc.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 18, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a simple question
“Who run Bartertown?”
That said, the Cubs do deserve my pity, but never my support.
by Solanus on Mar 17, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon
DanUp borrows a phrase from one of the best 80’s action movies and I figured at least one person would pick up the movie reference.
That said, the Cubs do deserve my pity, but never my support.
by Solanus on Mar 18, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome
Two men enter, one man leaves
The answer from above was Master Blaster, the old dwarf riding atop the lumbering giant.
That said, the Cubs do deserve my pity, but never my support.
by Solanus on Mar 19, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice
I should just buy that trilogy one of these days
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 19, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
thanks for the gift Carlos Delgado.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That may have been a bad call
Looked like he may have dragged that foot on the bag as he caught the ball. Of course, I’m not watching in HD, so take that with a grain of salt…
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was close
and the way he did it, he made him look safe.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Dunn should have been safe on principal
Delgado should have made that play. They’d be out of the inning if he’d made the play.
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian McCann
Completely overmatched.
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow Apparently you can violate the steriod policy
and still play in the WBC, yet another example of baseballs saying steriods are bad when they aren’t helping us make money.
by cyko42 on Mar 17, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grrrr....I really wanted the USA
to make it to the next round.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn it Jeter
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who will miss more balls that they should have got this year?
Jeter at short or Skippy at 2nd?
by Evilfrog on Mar 17, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeter
although, the distance between 2nd and 3rd at the New Yankee Stadium is only 75 feet to accommodate Jeter and ARod’s busted hip.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
Much like the short porch in right to accommodate Babe Ruth’s homerun barrage in Old Yankee Stadium.
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At worst
I hope Jeter gets drilled.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Victorino should have been out on that one
Switched which foot was on the bag while Delgado was still applying the tag, it looked like
He’s just causing trouble on the basepaths tonight
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait, what?
When he was just tackled?
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bad carlos.
c’mon, jeter.
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by SleepyCA on Mar 17, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before he got tackled
I don’t have DVR so I can’t go back and see, but what it looked like to me was he tried to get back to the bag, and was safe. Before Delgado fell into him, Victorino switched feet on the bag. Delgado still had the tag on his side. It was very quick. Didn’t look like Delgado forced him off the bag or anything. Someone with DVR maybe can check this for me?
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeter better hit a freaking HR.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He just came up and I'm already pissed.
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by Tackle Box on Mar 17, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying K
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely in a 1 run game.
I’m not so sure here, though.
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by Tackle Box on Mar 17, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 out
both runners in scoring position. I’d consider it.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I know what you're getting at
and to be fair. He made great contact, just right at the right fielder. In a gap and that ties it.
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by Tackle Box on Mar 17, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
what happened on pitch 6? gameday says “in play no outs”, then he strikes out 2 pitches later (on a pitch a foot outside)?
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by SleepyCA on Mar 17, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope.
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by Tackle Box on Mar 17, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Roberts does
what few men can do.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There's your 2 men in scoring position with 1 out.
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by Tackle Box on Mar 17, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yadi didn't throw him out.
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by Tackle Box on Mar 17, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great to see that Yadi cannon again
Haven’t seen it in so long, even if he didn’t get the runner (go USA!)
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
couldn't have been a better throw.
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by Tackle Box on Mar 17, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right on the money
Looked like the SS/2B almost caught it too far out in front of the bag
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on JRoll
show those kids at Dicks what it takes.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't Youk hit into
a lot of DPs?
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
11
kinda in the middle.
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by Tackle Box on Mar 17, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you watching on gameday?
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by Tackle Box on Mar 17, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went there and clicked on the wrong game and sort of gave up
and decided to just watch you guys announce the game
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's about average
he hit into 11 last year, 10 year before
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Mar 17, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fernando Cabrera, please dear god will I be disappointed if we don't beat him
We should own Puerto Rico. Oh wait we do.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Mar 17, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lulz
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by jd is legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup. bottom
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by Tackle Box on Mar 17, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that frontdoor slider
looked like a strike.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 17, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bring in a guy who walks half the guys he faces
to pitch to the greek god of walks. Interesting choice.
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